Yeah, right! ::)


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Dame Elisabeth Murdoch awaits the brutal “Carbon Cate” treatment from News Ltd June 15, 2011 – 5:25 pm, by Jeremy Sear   Following the wealthy Dame Elisabeth Murdoch’s decision to campaign for a carbon price, we’re waiting with some trepidation for the News Ltd tabloids to give her the Cate Blanchett treatment: ‘Elitist Elisabeth’ Murdoch tells Aussies to pay up over carbon charge DAME Elisabeth Murdoch has sparked outrage in the community with her decision to participate in a campaign promoting the federal government’s controversial carbon tax. The millionaire Dame has been accused of being out of touch by spruiking the benefits of the tax which she can afford to pay, unlike many hard-up Australians. Ouch. Or, hell, what about when that fearless warrior for truth Andrew Bolt remembers how he feels about rich warmists and gets stuck in? A lesson in sacrifice for the planet from the woman in the luxury Bentley* Or the highly-principled Miranda Devine? How can a multi-millionaire who lives in an enormous multi-million dollar pile in Langwarrin, and is driven around in a chauffeured Bentley, tell less privileged Australians to say yes to a tax that will send electricity bills skyrocketing? The hypocrisy is astonishing. Imagine what’ll happen when those consistent campaigners against the corruption of privilege are forced by their consciences to give the mother of their proprietor the same treatment they gave Cate Blanchett. It’s not like they could get away with just this without being absolute laughing stocks, could they? *I have no idea what car Dame Murdoch drives.

astro_surf wrote on Jun 15^th, 2011 at 11:03pm:

Yeah, right! ::) Quote: Dame Elisabeth Murdoch awaits the brutal “Carbon Cate” treatment from News Ltd June 15, 2011 – 5:25 pm, by Jeremy Sear   Following the wealthy Dame Elisabeth Murdoch’s decision to campaign for a carbon price, we’re waiting with some trepidation for the News Ltd tabloids to give her the Cate Blanchett treatment: ‘Elitist Elisabeth’ Murdoch tells Aussies to pay up over carbon charge DAME Elisabeth Murdoch has sparked outrage in the community with her decision to participate in a campaign promoting the federal government’s controversial carbon tax. The millionaire Dame has been accused of being out of touch by spruiking the benefits of the tax which she can afford to pay, unlike many hard-up Australians. Ouch. Or, hell, what about when that fearless warrior for truth Andrew Bolt remembers how he feels about rich warmists and gets stuck in? A lesson in sacrifice for the planet from the woman in the luxury Bentley* Or the highly-principled Miranda Devine? How can a multi-millionaire who lives in an enormous multi-million dollar pile in Langwarrin, and is driven around in a chauffeured Bentley, tell less privileged Australians to say yes to a tax that will send electricity bills skyrocketing? The hypocrisy is astonishing. Imagine what’ll happen when those consistent campaigners against the corruption of privilege are forced by their consciences to give the mother of their proprietor the same treatment they gave Cate Blanchett. It’s not like they could get away with just this without being absolute laughing stocks, could they? *I have no idea what car Dame Murdoch drives.

Good point.....If Cate Blanchett copped criticism then Dame Murdoch has committed the same offence....Where is the condemnation from the right wing media???

;)

why dont you just wait and see you hypocrits..

you dont condemn gizzard for lying about the bloody thing in the first place..


yet you cant wait like a bunch of kids to jump on this pathetic bandwagon..

I love it! all you socialists standing by being told to suck it up by millionaires...

what a change over...Chifley will be spinning as they say..

add to that Hawke and keating. and Whitlam havent heard anything from Gough but I am sure as a millionaire he is in favour of us pensioners being afraid to turn a light on..good one socialists.

never mind the workingfamilies... they too are past their useby date as well, by the sound of things...

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 7:22am:

why dont you just wait and see you hypocrits.

Well, we waited.

Anything on The Blot's Blog Nope http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/

Miranda Devine's? http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/

Tim Blair? Nope. http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php

Raging hypocrites,t he lot of them. They are happy to savage Cate Blanchett for voicing an opinion but won't say peep when it's their bosses Mum!

Goes to show, when it comes to right winf polemcists, it's not what is being said rather who is saying it. If climate change was perceived as a ''right wing'' issue then these clowns would b the strongest supporters of a carbon tax.

astro_surf wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 8:17am:

cods wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 7:22am: why dont you just wait and see you hypocrits. Well, we waited. Anything on The Blot's Blog Nope http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/ Miranda Devine's? http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/ Tim Blair? Nope. http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php Raging hypocrites,t he lot of them. They are happy to savage Cate Blanchett for voicing an opinion but won't say peep when it's their bosses Mum! Goes to show, when it comes to right winf polemcists, it's not what is being said rather who is saying it. If climate change was perceived as a ''right wing'' issue then these clowns would b the strongest supporters of a carbon tax.

most of those only have one column... why dont you send them a request..lol

whats smh saying I am sure you have a blast from fairfax to share.

cods wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 8:29am:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 8:17am: cods wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 7:22am: why dont you just wait and see you hypocrits. Well, we waited. Anything on The Blot's Blog Nope http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/ Miranda Devine's? http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/ Tim Blair? Nope. http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php Raging hypocrites,t he lot of them. They are happy to savage Cate Blanchett for voicing an opinion but won't say peep when it's their bosses Mum! Goes to show, when it comes to right winf polemcists, it's not what is being said rather who is saying it. If climate change was perceived as a ''right wing'' issue then these clowns would b the strongest supporters of a carbon tax. most of those only have one column... why dont you send them a request..lol whats smh saying I am sure you have a blast from fairfax to share.

Same thing as Astro Cods, we are all waiting for the spray to begin.
Shall we dig out your thoughts on Cate so you may replace her name with Dame Elisabeth?
Afterall the Dame wouls have at least twice as much money as Cate. ;)

"Anti-Emissions Elisabeth".

Surely this proves beyond doubt that the Divine, Bolt, etc are full of poo.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 8:47am:

cods wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 8:29am: astro_surf wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 8:17am: cods wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 7:22am: why dont you just wait and see you hypocrits. Well, we waited. Anything on The Blot's Blog Nope http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/ Miranda Devine's? http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/mirandadevine/ Tim Blair? Nope. http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/timblair/index.php Raging hypocrites,t he lot of them. They are happy to savage Cate Blanchett for voicing an opinion but won't say peep when it's their bosses Mum! Goes to show, when it comes to right winf polemcists, it's not what is being said rather who is saying it. If climate change was perceived as a ''right wing'' issue then these clowns would b the strongest supporters of a carbon tax. most of those only have one column... why dont you send them a request..lol whats smh saying I am sure you have a blast from fairfax to share. Same thing as Astro Cods, we are all waiting for the spray to begin. Shall we dig out your thoughts on Cate so you may replace her name with Dame Elisabeth? Afterall the Dame wouls have at least twice as much money as Cate. ;)

you may indeed I as I have said just adore rich people telling me to suck it up.. especially when they live in mansions with a million lights it it..

so did the smh castigate lady whatshername???....or just dribble like this lot...

lol they are so relieved to have something to lash back with so sad.. an old lady yet..not quite sure what her opinion has to do with anything today anyway..none of them live like the rest of us do.. what would they know?

I will await the journos/columnists to see what they say and then print them up to your satisfaction...lol..

as I say... dont you rich people dare tell us poor folk to suck it up and pay up..how about we send them our electricity bills to pay...

Why would the smh herald lash out at Anti-Emissions Lizzy ?
They didnt lash out at Carbon Cate, or Carbon Caton.

Its the News Ltd press, by their silence that are being shown up as hypocrites.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 9:55am:

Why would the smh herald lash out at Anti-Emissions Lizzy ? They didnt lash out at Carbon Cate, or Carbon Caton. Its the News Ltd press, by their silence that are being shown up as hypocrites.

oh OK>

you mean fairfax wouldnt do any finger pointing.. of course not.

There is finger pointing that is consistant. And probably the smh points at the deniers, and generally taints them all with the same level of tainting.

But here we have News Ltd, attacking anyone who is rich and pro AGW.  Except not everyone who is rich and pro-AGW.

Forget the media's treatment of Dame Murdoch et al, relative to their 'Carbon Cate' propaganda campaign - what about Tony Abbott's commensurate dressing down!?

The leader of the Tropposition made a point of dismissing and demeaning Cate Blanchett in re-drawing the battlelines in his own little class-cum-climate war - so why isn't Tony Abbott reinforcing the barrage and firing verbal crap upon the latest vocal bevy of rich gits who have dared to speak out in favour of a price on carbon!?

Well!?

Lest we should forget what Tony Abbott said about 'Carbon Cate' Blanchett...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XklvYW0mZGU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XklvYW0mZGU

He said Cate has the right to be heard but not ahead of the electorate.
Is this confronting for you?



Fronting an ad campaign (Blanket) is not the same as signing a letter (Murdoch).

So if "anti-emissions lizzy" went on TV, you'd expect Bolt and Divine to shoot her down, and the Telegraph to have a front page headline dismissing her as a rich toff out of touch with the commoners. ?

I wouldn't expect her to be so vain and self-conceited as to imagine that she should front an advertising campaign. But if she were that vain and self-conceited, she would be also pilloried for that - which is why Cate Blanket is given a serve or 25 - and NOT because of what she believes or supports.

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:

I wouldn't expect her to be so vain and self-conceited as to imagine that she should front an advertising campaign. But if she were that vain and self-conceited, she would be also pilloried for that - which is why Cate Blanket is given a serve or 25 - and NOT because of what she believes or supports.

You really believe that?
You think if she came out & said I think a carbon tax is stupid she would have received the vitriol she did?
You seem as Tony does, to think the general public has the IQ & memory of a door knob.

This hypocracy is inexcusable.  If you are trying to defend it, you are just a cheer-leader.

Sometimes you've just got to admit treatment of people differently is "wrong".

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

He said Cate has the right to be heard but not ahead of the electorate. Is this confronting for you? Fronting an ad campaign (Blanket) is not the same as signing a letter (Murdoch).

What IS confronting for me is the fact that the opposition is happy to exploit the political advantage arising from the huge advertisng campaigns, from industries trying to control government policy.
We saw the mining industry spending millions to crate public support for their opposition to the mining Industry Super Tax, and we saw the virulent anti Labor element of that campaign exploited by the opposition, where they helped perpetuate the myth that the mining industry billionaires have the best interest of the Australian people at heart, rather than purely self interest based greed.

We saw the opposition also being supportive of the Tobacco companies, until polls showed that even with the millions of ad dollars being spent, the public were ill at ease with attempts to ignore the health implications attached to tobacco, so Abbott wisely reduced his "public" support for their campaign, for the moment at least.
The opposition links to Big Tobacco are still something that concerns many people, and their financial support for the Libs has been a long term investment that we can expect the tobacco companies to want to see a return on, at some stage, most likely to be called on when they are back in government.
The Coal Industry has also been involved with the anti-Carbon Tax movement, and the strongly anti-Labor component of that campaign is electoral gold for the opposition, that they are only too happy to exploit.

So to see the likes of Abbott, disrespecting Cate Blanchett as being an elitist who is out of touch with the electorate, smacks of unmitigated hypocrisy, while at the very same time, they lap up the support from the likes of Gina Reinhardt and Andrew Forrest, who they actively supported, to the cost of billions in revenue for the Australian Public.

The Libs are playing a dangerous game on the Climate Change issue, by trying to be all things to all people, in publicly accepting the scientific consensus, and agreeing to a Carbon Reduction Target, the same as that of Labor, but while still promoting the climate sceptics position at every opportunity, and by offering policies which would see billions of tax payer dollars diverted to the biggest polluters, for direct action campaigns that would be both expensive, and ineffective.

So the most confronting thing for me is having an opposition claiming to take climate science seriously, and claiming to want to meet Carbon reduction targets, but whose track record shows that their primary concern has been to serve the interests of the Big Businesses who have been spending hundreds of millions on Ad campaigns with extremely strong anti-Labor messages.

If you believe the best interests of the community are the same as the best interests of these companies, then Liberal Policy will make sense for you, but if you think that these companies are putting their own interests before those of the community in general, then you would have to share my concerns about an Abbott led, Liberal Party, and the policies which may arise if he becomes PM, and those who have given such huge financial support, start demanding their return on investment be met by him.

What Reinhardt and Forest are on about is good for people's jobs and livelihood. What Blanket & Co are, on the other hand, isn't.

Start from there and see if you can work out why people listen to the former but not the latter. That is the nub that you need to get your head around Mozz and if you can manage it you will see that the endless impotent drivel about  'evil right wing media conspiracy' is just that, impotent, irrelevant, lazy drivel.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:

Soren wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 11:30am: He said Cate has the right to be heard but not ahead of the electorate. Is this confronting for you? Fronting an ad campaign (Blanket) is not the same as signing a letter (Murdoch). What IS confronting for me is the fact that the opposition is happy to exploit the political advantage arising from the huge advertisng campaigns, from industries trying to control government policy. We saw the mining industry spending millions to crate public support for their opposition to the mining Industry Super Tax, and we saw the virulent anti Labor element of that campaign exploited by the opposition, where they helped perpetuate the myth that the mining industry billionaires have the best interest of the Australian people at heart, rather than purely self interest based greed. We saw the opposition also being supportive of the Tobacco companies, until polls showed that even with the millions of ad dollars being spent, the public were ill at ease with attempts to ignore the health implications attached to tobacco, so Abbott wisely reduced his "public" support for their campaign, for the moment at least. The opposition links to Big Tobacco are still something that concerns many people, and their financial support for the Libs has been a long term investment that we can expect the tobacco companies to want to see a return on, at some stage, most likely to be called on when they are back in government. The Coal Industry has also been involved with the anti-Carbon Tax movement, and the strongly anti-Labor component of that campaign is electoral gold for the opposition, that they are only too happy to exploit. So to see the likes of Abbott, disrespecting Cate Blanchett as being an elitist who is out of touch with the electorate, smacks of unmitigated hypocrisy, while at the very same time, they lap up the support from the likes of Gina Reinhardt and Andrew Forrest, who they actively supported, to the cost of billions in revenue for the Australian Public. The Libs are playing a dangerous game on the Climate Change issue, by trying to be all things to all people, in publicly accepting the scientific consensus, and agreeing to a Carbon Reduction Target, the same as that of Labor, but while still promoting the climate sceptics position at every opportunity, and by offering policies which would see billions of tax payer dollars diverted to the biggest polluters, for direct action campaigns that would be both expensive, and ineffective. So the most confronting thing for me is having an opposition claiming to take climate science seriously, and claiming to want to meet Carbon reduction targets, but whose track record shows that their primary concern has been to serve the interests of the Big Businesses who have been spending hundreds of millions on Ad campaigns with extremely strong anti-Labor messages. If you believe the best interests of the community are the same as the best interests of these companies, then Liberal Policy will make sense for you, but if you think that these companies are putting their own interests before those of the community in general, then you would have to share my concerns about an Abbott led, Liberal Party, and the policies which may arise if he becomes PM, and those who have given such huge financial support, start demanding their return on investment be met by him.

mmmmmmmmmmmm and I find the LABOR PARTY EVEN MORE CONFRONTING. sickeningly so!

Former NSW MP Milton Orkopoulos faces sentencing
Estranged family is financially ruined
MPs asked to donate $100 each to help out
NSW Labor MPs have been sent a letter asking them to donate $100 each to the family of convicted pedophile Milton Orkopoulos.

As the former NSW Aboriginal affairs minister prepares today to face sentencing over his conviction on 28 child sex and drugs charges, Iemma Government MPs are being asked to pass around the hat to help his financially ruined family.

The letter, signed by Hunter Labor MPs Jill Hall - federal member for Shortland


i ALSO FIND IT CONFRONTING THAT THEY ALWAYS SUPPORT SOMEONE CHARGED WITH PAEDOPHILIA, WHILST AT THE SAME TIME DESTROYING THE WHISTLEBLOWER..

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:

What Reinhardt and Forest are on about is good for people's jobs and livelihood. What Blanket & Co are, on the other hand, isn't. Start from there and see if you can work out why people listen to the former but not the latter. That is the nub that you need to get your head around Mozz and if you can manage it you will see that the endless impotent drivel about  'evil right wing media conspiracy' is just that, impotent, irrelevant, lazy drivel.

I shrug my shoulders now soren. no point in this talking debating call it what you will as Richo says no one is listening to her anymore.. shes lost the plot.. just the rusted on on here apparantly..

well they have got her they voted for her they deserve her.

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:

What Reinhardt and Forest are on about is good for people's jobs and livelihood. What Blanket & Co are, on the other hand, isn't. Start from there and see if you can work out why people listen to the former but not the latter. That is the nub that you need to get your head around Mozz and if you can manage it you will see that the endless impotent drivel about  'evil right wing media conspiracy' is just that, impotent, irrelevant, lazy drivel.

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What Reinhardt and Forest are on about is good for people's jobs and livelihood.

soren

See, I do not for an instant believe that the concern of Reinhardt or Forrest is for the good of the people, but rather it is purely, what is most financially beneficial to themselves, and themselves alone.
I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack.

I am concerned about the amount of influence that people like this may have, if Abbott becomes PM, and they remind him of how much support they provided to his party, in undermining the Labor government, and the hundreds of millions they spent on advertising to do that.                                                                                                        

Mozz, you may be right about their motivation but that doesn't change the fact that their interests coincide with the workers' in this case. If they try to shaft the workers down the track, that will be a different argument.

BUT NOW they are on the same side as people who do worry about their jobs. To those people, Blanket is just a vain actress and the drivel about right wing forces of darkness is stupid crap.

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See, I do not for an instant believe that the concern of Reinhardt or Forrest is for the good of the people

problem. soren never said that the good of the people was necessarily their concern:


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What Reinhardt and Forest are on about is good for people's jobs and livelihood.

he just said that what they were on about is good for the people. they may be acting in self interest for all we know (and honestly cate blanchett probably is too; nothing distinguishes yourself better in high society circles than to attach yourself to trendy social issues), but that doesn't mean that a consequence of this self-interest won't be some type of social good.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

See, I do not for an instant believe that the concern of Reinhardt or Forrest is for the good of the people, but rather it is purely, what is most financially beneficial to themselves, and themselves alone. I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack. I am concerned about the amount of influence that people like this may have, if Abbott becomes PM, and they remind him of how much support they provided to his party, in undermining the Labor government, and the hundreds of millions they spent on advertising to do that.

I agree. The likes of the mining bosses are as self interested as the cabon tax cheerleaders. neither have the interests of the Australin people at heart.

If the Murdoch woman puts her face to a TV campaign the way Cate Blanchett did I will expect the same reaction from the various commentators. She is entitled to her opinion, however she is not immune from criticism.

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:

What Reinhardt and Forest are on about is good for people's jobs and livelihood. What Blanket & Co are, on the other hand, isn't.

Reinhardt and Forest were only looking after themselves.  They didnt want to pay more tax.

Murdoch, Caton, and Cate have no vested interest in this at all. What alterior motive can they have ?

Belgarion wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:04pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 1:47pm: See, I do not for an instant believe that the concern of Reinhardt or Forrest is for the good of the people, but rather it is purely, what is most financially beneficial to themselves, and themselves alone. I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack. I am concerned about the amount of influence that people like this may have, if Abbott becomes PM, and they remind him of how much support they provided to his party, in undermining the Labor government, and the hundreds of millions they spent on advertising to do that.                                                                                                         I agree. The likes of the mining bosses are as self interested as the cabon tax cheerleaders. neither have the interests of the Australin people at heart. If the Murdoch woman puts her face to a TV campaign the way Cate Blanchett did I will expect the same reaction from the various commentators. She is entitled to her opinion, however she is not immune from criticism.

Very naive.

I cant see how people who want a carbon tax can have a vested interest. Unless they are the head of a renewable energy company, what is in it for them?

However, its easy to see how the deniers have a vested interest. They dont want to pay anything to clean up the mess.

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 1:47pm:

I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack.

Up to a point.

Unions have a knack for pricing some of their members out of a job just so that those who keep theirs get a choice of flavours when the ice cream van comes tooting at 10.30.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:06pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 2:04pm: mozzaok wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 1:47pm: See, I do not for an instant believe that the concern of Reinhardt or Forrest is for the good of the people, but rather it is purely, what is most financially beneficial to themselves, and themselves alone. I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack. I am concerned about the amount of influence that people like this may have, if Abbott becomes PM, and they remind him of how much support they provided to his party, in undermining the Labor government, and the hundreds of millions they spent on advertising to do that.                                                                                                         I agree. The likes of the mining bosses are as self interested as the cabon tax cheerleaders. neither have the interests of the Australin people at heart. If the Murdoch woman puts her face to a TV campaign the way Cate Blanchett did I will expect the same reaction from the various commentators. She is entitled to her opinion, however she is not immune from criticism. Very naive. I cant see how people who want a carbon tax can have a vested interest. Unless they are the head of a renewable energy company, what is in it for them? However, its easy to see how the deniers have a vested interest. They dont want to pay anything to clean up the mess.

Cliffy the Kid gets it on the first scan - what's the difficulty for you?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1308143015/24#24

You are missing the point Soren.
I have issue with large companies using huge amounts of money to steer public debate in ways that sees them able to have government policy changed, for their personal benefit.

The convergent interests of the opposition, and these parties, in promoting strong anti-Labor sentiment, in the community, has seen a co-operative association develop where an opposition may support policy changes which are of benefit to them in the short sighted political sense, but which have negative long term implications for the community at large.

I also fear that a sense of special association may develop, where parties who believe they have been of assistance to Mr Abbott, at some point in the future, seek to exploit that special association for more personal gain, which would once again, be to the cost, or detriment, of the wider community.

In an attempt to be fair in my analysis of this issue, I have to also comment that if the Labor government had not been so spineless, they would have faced down these people, and carried through with their policies, if they truly believed they were the best options, and the fact that they were so intimidated by polling that they have become too crippled to act unless they get positive polling research to support their actions.
This lack of leadership is a terrible weakness that other businesses will now exploit, and it will take a strong leader, and a different, and fairer media, to combat.
I believe that Abbott has quite a few debts to pay to these powerful people, and as such, any policy he puts forward, may be tainted before it ever sees the light of day.

The mining industry showed by spending 200 million, they could save themselves many billions, and the opposition, and the media companies helped to let that dangerous genie out of the bottle, and it will take a much better man than Abbott, or a better woman than Gillard, to ever get it back in.                                                      

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I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack.

Rhinehart has already flagged her desire for "GuestWorkers"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gina-rinehart-calls-for-asian-guest-workers/story-fn59niix-1226018659150


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Gina Rinehart calls for Asian guest workers    * Andrew Burrell    * From: The Australian    * March 10, 2011 12:00AM     AUSTRALIA'S richest woman, Gina Rinehart, has called for a radical overhaul of immigration laws to allow thousands of unskilled "guest workers" to be imported from Asia to help build mines in the country's north. Mrs Rinehart, who has invested $280 million in media companies Fairfax and the Ten Network in a bid to influence public policy, describes her proposal to bring in cheap labour as a "humanitarian" move aimed at helping poverty-stricken people in Asia. "Australia needs guest labour," the Perth-based mining magnate wrote in the March edition of the Australian Resources and Investment journal. "Just think where Australia could be if we welcomed guest labour, even if limited to remote or hot areas, or to unskilled and semi-skilled positions. "We should, on humanitarian grounds, give more of these people the opportunity of guest labour work in Australia, so that they can feed and clothe their families and pay for medical and other pressing needs." labour to help build major projects. "Media reports mention almost daily that major projects are being delayed due to lack of skilled labour and long delays in processing guest labour visas," she said. In the article, Mrs Rinehart said she believed Australia was "drowning in red and green tape", had too much debt and an unacceptable crime record. Mrs Rinehart, whose fortune was estimated at $9 billion by Forbes magazine last month, has become more politically active in the past year. The Hancock Prospecting chairwoman campaigned loudly against the Labor government's planned resource super-profits tax and established a lobby group called Australians for Northern Development and Economic Vision. The group advocates a special northern economic zone stretching across Western Australia's northwest, the Northern Territory and north Queensland, where resources companies could bring in temporary labour. Workers in these areas would pay lower taxes as a reward for living in regions with excessive heat, cyclones and a "multitude of snakes", the group's website says.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:42pm:

Quote: I also believe that if they could get away with it they would be flying in cheap labour from India and China, and would not give a second thought to the local people they could then sack. Rhinehart has already flagged her desire for "GuestWorkers" http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/gina-rinehart-calls-for-asian-guest-workers/story-fn59niix-1226018659150 [quote]Gina Rinehart calls for Asian guest workers    * Andrew Burrell    * From: The Australian    * March 10, 2011 12:00AM     AUSTRALIA'S richest woman, Gina Rinehart, has called for a radical overhaul of immigration laws to allow thousands of unskilled "guest workers" to be imported from Asia to help build mines in the country's north. Mrs Rinehart, who has invested $280 million in media companies Fairfax and the Ten Network in a bid to influence public policy, describes her proposal to bring in cheap labour as a "humanitarian" move aimed at helping poverty-stricken people in Asia. "Australia needs guest labour," the Perth-based mining magnate wrote in the March edition of the Australian Resources and Investment journal. "Just think where Australia could be if we welcomed guest labour, even if limited to remote or hot areas, or to unskilled and semi-skilled positions. "We should, on humanitarian grounds, give more of these people the opportunity of guest labour work in Australia, so that they can feed and clothe their families and pay for medical and other pressing needs." labour to help build major projects. "Media reports mention almost daily that major projects are being delayed due to lack of skilled labour and long delays in processing guest labour visas," she said. In the article, Mrs Rinehart said she believed Australia was "drowning in red and green tape", had too much debt and an unacceptable crime record. Mrs Rinehart, whose fortune was estimated at $9 billion by Forbes magazine last month, has become more politically active in the past year. The Hancock Prospecting chairwoman campaigned loudly against the Labor government's planned resource super-profits tax and established a lobby group called Australians for Northern Development and Economic Vision. The group advocates a special northern economic zone stretching across Western Australia's northwest, the Northern Territory and north Queensland, where resources companies could bring in temporary labour. Workers in these areas would pay lower taxes as a reward for living in regions with excessive heat, cyclones and a "multitude of snakes", the group's website says.

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I'm sure Blackbirding was outlawed in 1901. Pehaps Gina hasn't heard?

mozzaok wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:22pm:

You are missing the point Soren.

Well, mebbe so, if the point takes 6 paragraphs every time....  ;)


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I have issue with large companies using huge amounts of money to steer public debate in ways that sees them able to have government policy changed, for their personal benefit. The convergent interests of the opposition, and these parties, in promoting strong anti-Labor sentiment, in the community

Mozz, this is the heart of your point and this is why it is complete drivel.

You can't have the electorate getting it splendidly right in 2007 when it threw out Howard but be susceptible to harmful suggestions when it is not buying what your guys are selling.

ANyway, you'd have by now a functioning, 4 year old  cap and trade if you had voted for Howard... Just thought it's worth mentioning, if only to illustrate the difference between competence and incompetence.




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I also fear that a sense of special association may develop

You mean like the one between the ACTU and the ALP?



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In an attempt to be fair in my analysis of this issue, I have to also comment that if the Labor government had not been so spineless,

What?!? Are you saying they duped you??? Are you saying you fell for their promotion of strong anti-Howard semntiment?

;D



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I believe that Abbott has quite a few debts to pay to these powerful people, and as such, any policy he puts forward, may be tainted before it ever sees the light of day. The mining industry showed by spending 200 million, they could save themselves many billions, and the opposition, and the media companies helped to let that dangerous genie out of the bottle, and it will take a much better man than Abbott, or a better woman than Gillard, to ever get it back in.

Abbott will not be elected by the top 2% of the population.

The myth that you want to hang onto because it gives you comfort is that Labor is only in a bad light, but not really bad. Snap out of it. They are bad. No amount of positive advertising could help Labor. You know this.





                             

Belgarion wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 2:49pm:

I'm sure Blackbirding was outlawed in 1901. Pehaps Gina hasn't heard?

Special report: Australia's big dig for foreign workers

http://uk.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110614&t=2&i=438840494&w=&fh=&fw=&ll

WANTED: SPEAK ENGLISH & TURN UP SOBER

Jared Fitzclarence, owner of Karratha Aluminum Welding, lives in a small, dirty caravan behind his little firm's workshop, which has six employees working on everything from repairing trucks to larger jobs for a local gas-export project.

Over the din of his welding shop, Fitzclarence explains how finding the right employee can be daunting. In filling a recent vacancy, he tried several hopeless local candidates before finally hiring a hard-working, reliable Bangladeshi.

"We couldn't get someone who wasn't a complete loser or a drug addict ... it was causing no end of trouble," he says.

"It's not just here. Any business along this entire road has massive problems getting decent staff."

Fitzclarence believes guest workers are a good idea if they speak passable English like his young Bangladeshi employee.

"I think that's fantastic if they speak English. That's my biggest problem ... It's a language barrier," he says.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-australia-labour-idUSTRE75D0PD20110614

Soren wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:12pm:

Belgarion wrote on Jun 16th, 2011 at 2:49pm: I'm sure Blackbirding was outlawed in 1901. Pehaps Gina hasn't heard? Special report: Australia's big dig for foreign workers http://uk.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20110614&t=2&i=438840494&w=&fh=&fw=&ll WANTED: SPEAK ENGLISH & TURN UP SOBER Jared Fitzclarence, owner of Karratha Aluminum Welding, lives in a small, dirty caravan behind his little firm's workshop, which has six employees working on everything from repairing trucks to larger jobs for a local gas-export project. Over the din of his welding shop, Fitzclarence explains how finding the right employee can be daunting. In filling a recent vacancy, he tried several hopeless local candidates before finally hiring a hard-working, reliable Bangladeshi. "We couldn't get someone who wasn't a complete loser or a drug addict ... it was causing no end of trouble," he says. "It's not just here. Any business along this entire road has massive problems getting decent staff." Fitzclarence believes guest workers are a good idea if they speak passable English like his young Bangladeshi employee. "I think that's fantastic if they speak English. That's my biggest problem ... It's a language barrier," he says. http://uk.reuters.com/article/2011/06/14/us-australia-labour-idUSTRE75D0PD20110614

How much are they paying?
The mines don't seem to have trouble hiring men that aren't druggo's or drunks.
In fact a couple of my mates now work up therew & they were the biggest dope smokers out but now will not even touch the stuff on holidays for fear of a positive test & the sack.
The money beats the drugs & booze everytime.

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"We couldn't get someone who wasn't a complete loser or a drug addict ... it was causing no end of trouble," he says.

Sure mate.

Bangladeshis: Doing jobs Anglos don't want to or can't do!

Are these companies offering training for these jobs? Or are they taking the usual easy way out and wanting skilled labour only without wanting to outlay the cost of training local people?

The last thing Australia needs is foreign workers driving wages down and relieving employers of the responsibility of training their workforce.

they enrich us

they will become the proposition australians - we need them!!!!!

this is the land of the fair go, mate.

Belgarion wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

Are these companies offering training for these jobs? Or are they taking the usual easy way out and wanting skilled labour only without wanting to outlay the cost of training local people? The last thing Australia needs is foreign workers driving wages down and relieving employers of the responsibility of training their workforce.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1308008665/5#5

It's people like Amadd....

;D

have issue with large companies using huge amounts of money to steer public debate in ways that sees them able to have government policy changed, for their personal benefit.

The convergent interests of the opposition, and these parties, in promoting strong anti-Labor sentiment, in the community



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mozz you obviously have selective memory syndrome...yeh we know it has a huge effect on the darkside...


lol who will ever forget the UNIONS $30 mil advert campaign of 2007..?

oops thats right the darkside will forget.

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 16^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Quote: "We couldn't get someone who wasn't a complete loser or a drug addict ... it was causing no end of trouble," he says. Sure mate. Bangladeshis: Doing jobs Anglos don't want to or can't do!

Blackman's burden...

Interesting how 'they' are saying that donations don't buy influence and asking what influence really is defined as!!!!

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