http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/9663484/rudd-leads-gillard-as-preferred-alp-leader/

The poll, taken ahead of Ms Gillard's first anniversary as prime minister, has 60 per cent of voters backing Mr Rudd as preferred Labor leader over 31 per cent for Ms Gillard.

Mr Rudd has fuelled leadership speculation only days out from the anniversary of his dumping as prime minister, but insists Ms Gillard will take Labor to the next election.

In one of a series of interviews ahead of the anniversary, Ms Gillard indicated it was Mr Rudd's political paralysis, rather than poor opinion polls, that led to her toppling him as leader.

"We had lost a sense of purpose and plan for the future," she told News Ltd.

"We didn't have a clear plan as to how we were going to deal with a set of difficult questions or a clear plan generally about where the government was driving towards.

"What I've done as prime minister is inject that sense of clarity of purpose."

In another interview conducted ahead of the latest opinion poll, Ms Gillard said she had expected it would be a hugely difficult period.

"We are in a phase where we've outlined principles (on carbon pricing) to the Australian people," she told Fairfax.

"We've been very, very frank with them about the impacts of carbon pricing on them ... and we're not at the stage yet where we can fully explain to people the assistance that comes with it."

Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments


Carbon Tax
Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like

Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it


Direction
What direction? The NBN? The BER?


What is the Plan?
The plan is to have a plan by July 2012.

Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019.

Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015!

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015!

Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service..

If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost?

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:55am:

If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost?

The pasty faced lemon sucker would grandstand over anything with his meaningless catchphrases to fool the GALPies, and he did just that!

I think of the current crop -

Rudd was a leader. He just didn't carry his own party members. His support tended to be more out in the field with non-party members. Very good to win elections, very poor mid-term when you need your own men to back you. He was accepted, he was never liked. There's clearly reasons for that, it can't be everyone else that has the problem.

Gillard is not a leader. She is more liked in her own party - but I don't think anyone thinks she is a politician of moral conviction. She's a classic former ambulance chaser lawyer, say or do anything depending on the way in which the wind blows. When she is gone, nobody will look back on her time as PM and say it was any good.

Abbott's leadership is interesting. His policies and beliefs are a lot more in sync with mine than many, but he just lacks that statesmanship for a PM in my opinion. Again he is liked by his own party - or the vast majority - but he struggles to win the centre ground.

Turnbull is the Rudd of the Liberals. He'd win an election with ease. He'd have won the last one. But he is too much to the Left on several key issues for people of my political mindset to be totally comfortable with him. I like his economic policies, it is his social ones where I have the issue.

Who out there could lead the country well?

I can honestly say I can't think of anyone. This current crop of politicians has to be the poorest in standard for many decades.

So whay the news report, which we have all heard or read anyway? What's your take on it or don't you have an opinion?

If you recall, when Rudd was PM Gillard was in front of him in the polls. Now it's reversed. So what? Polls run by right wing organisations are meaningless, 2 years out from an election. It doesn't change a thing.

Rudd himself has ruled out any comeback and Richo has confirmed that by telling us Rudd knows he'd only get 1 vote, maybe, his own. He has undermined the ALP and they all know it.

I don't know why he doesn't just resign, join the Libs and challenge Abbott as he's doing the same things.

Rudd was no leader. He was a snake, as is Swan. I write to Latham warning him off these two well before Rudd made a move and I was right about both of them. Swan is hoping to just slide in without doing a thing while he stirs the pot between Rudd and Gillard. They should have shot the two of them, little QLD bum buddies as they were.

Gillard is absolutely a leader. Who else could still be in charge after all that has happened, with the balance of the Parliament on the cusp every day. That's a true leader, to keep things going, passing their legislation while fighting fires on all fronts.

And did you really say Abbott's policies are interesting? He only has one policy. Mat leave for the rich. Itherwise he just says no, that's not a policy. Where do you get this crap from. You must have imagined them as Abbott hasn't enunciated any "policy". Just what he will tear down.

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 9:54am:

Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015!

Remember grocery watch & fuel watch.
Labor has such a long list of under performance and incompetence,

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 2:29pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Remember grocery watch & fuel watch. Labor has such a long list of under performance and incompetence,

And we cannot forget the rorts and the deaths thanks to the ALP's incompetence!

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:55am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:48am: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service.. If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost?

Because it was cheaper than the NBN..

It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:26pm:

It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it..

But not for a white elephant that is already outdated!!!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:55am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:48am: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service.. If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost? Because it was cheaper than the NBN.. It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it..

but how many people are unhappy with their adsl 2+ internet service? I dont know of ANY. sure fix up the spots where that service does not exist but in the end the NBN will still provide tha same service as we get currently.

creep wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:26pm: It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it.. But not for a white elephant that is already outdated!!!

Exactly..
That was the problem with both the Liberal (Helen Coonan's plan) and the Labor 2007 plan..

Not entirely sure about the tech side of the NBN..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:26pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:55am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:48am: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service.. If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost? Because it was cheaper than the NBN.. It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it..

So Labor misled Aust going into the 2007 election

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:26pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:55am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:48am: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service.. If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost? Because it was cheaper than the NBN.. It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it.. but how many people are unhappy with their adsl 2+ internet service? I dont know of ANY. sure fix up the spots where that service does not exist but in the end the NBN will still provide tha same service as we get currently.

Oh I agree....but not everybody can get adsl2+, 2pair copper has a degradation range limit..
I think we should replace the copper with fibre, but we don't need a 'special' company to provide government-partnered internet..

creep wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 3:49pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 2:29pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Remember grocery watch & fuel watch. Labor has such a long list of under performance and incompetence, And we cannot forget the rorts and the deaths thanks to the ALP's incompetence!

Yeh, a little birdy tells me you won't get far pushing those lines!

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:03pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:26pm: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:55am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:48am: Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 9:54am: Australia is still no better off under successive Labor governments Carbon Tax Rudd had released details of his ETS which the majority did not like Gillard has named her Carbon Tax with little details and people still don't like it Direction What direction? The NBN? The BER? What is the Plan? The plan is to have a plan by July 2012. Remember the Murray-Darling plan? The plan there was to have a plan by 2019. Remember faster broadband? We would be on faster broadband by now under the LIBs. Under Labor it won't happen until 2015! Not actually correct Maqqa.....The broadband plan under the Liberals was a technological 'lemon'....Most of the population would have ended up on a serious outdated wireless system.....Only capitol cities would have received fibreoptic service.. If it was a lemon then why did Labor promise a similar system in 2007 at a similar cost? Because it was cheaper than the NBN.. It takes a while for some people to realise that with technology (computer systems in particular), if you want 'good' you have to pay for it.. but how many people are unhappy with their adsl 2+ internet service? I dont know of ANY. sure fix up the spots where that service does not exist but in the end the NBN will still provide tha same service as we get currently. Oh I agree....but not everybody can get adsl2+, 2pair copper has a degradation range limit.. I think we should replace the copper with fibre, but we don't need a 'special' company to provide government-partnered internet..

Bet most of those who claim that they can't get ADSL or even a mobile broadband USB stick connection also have a mobile phone.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:

I think of the current crop - Rudd was a leader. He just didn't carry his own party members. His support tended to be more out in the field with non-party members. Very good to win elections, very poor mid-term when you need your own men to back you. He was accepted, he was never liked. There's clearly reasons for that, it can't be everyone else that has the problem. Gillard is not a leader. She is more liked in her own party - but I don't think anyone thinks she is a politician of moral conviction. She's a classic former ambulance chaser lawyer, say or do anything depending on the way in which the wind blows. When she is gone, nobody will look back on her time as PM and say it was any good. Abbott's leadership is interesting. His policies and beliefs are a lot more in sync with mine than many, but he just lacks that statesmanship for a PM in my opinion. Again he is liked by his own party - or the vast majority - but he struggles to win the centre ground. Turnbull is the Rudd of the Liberals. He'd win an election with ease. He'd have won the last one. But he is too much to the Left on several key issues for people of my political mindset to be totally comfortable with him. I like his economic policies, it is his social ones where I have the issue. Who out there could lead the country well? I can honestly say I can't think of anyone. This current crop of politicians has to be the poorest in standard for many decades.

....................

Andrei, Abbott is doing well as leader of the Opposition. Turnbull is not trusted by the right....like you, most of the lib voters do not trust his social position. He read the public sentiment badly when he fell in with Rudd and his ETS schemes. Secretly, he is a socialist, I believe. He is just finding it opportune to be in the Liberal Party. As I have said before, he would make a good leader of the Labor Party.

Abbott is denigrated as "The Mad Monk", but there is much more to him than his fling with the priesthood. He is very much a community spirited man, has a strong social conscience, has a degree in Economics, is a Rhodes Scholar, has been a journalist, is a big supporter and works tirelessly for things he believes in, i.e. a volunteer Fire Fighter, a volunteer lifesaver, various charities for whom he rides, or runs. I see a man of good character and one who is maligned unfairly. He should be given a chance at being PM, as he has brought the Liberal Party out of the doldrums they were in under Turnbull. I think he would make an excellent Prime Minister. The left have been waiting for him to go off  half-cocked, but it hasn't happened.....what they are remembering is his stint as chief headkicker for the libs....but he is now in a different position and knows it.

adls2+ @ 1.5 meg 3km out from an exchange is a joke!

An absolute disgrace when you consider our earth is building China and it's all going down in the history books!!!!

:o ::) ::)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:25pm:

adls2+ @ 1.5 meg 3km out from an exchange is a joke! An absolute disgrace when you consider our earth is building China and it's all going down in the history books!!!! :o ::) ::)

Adsl2+ starts at about 8 to 10 meg...

1.5 meg is standard adsl speed..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:51pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:25pm: adls2+ @ 1.5 meg 3km out from an exchange is a joke! An absolute disgrace when you consider our earth is building China and it's all going down in the history books!!!! :o ::) ::) Adsl2+ starts at about 8 to 10 meg... 1.5 meg is standard adsl speed..

awwww you showed him up :)