They were clinging on to Gillard being PPM, not that it means much anyway. Now, however, she is dead even with Abbott, with both on 46%.

Yes, isn't it great :)

But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :)

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It doesn't look good for Julia, matty. The left will be loathe to admit it.

The  PPM was the only thing they had left. Now (at least in this poll) that has gone too. Surely the Labor Party is not seriously thinking about bringing back Kevin....I heard that he is very unpopular with most of them. So....is Bill Shorten rubbing his hands together in glee? We live in interesting times.

creep wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:36pm:

Yes, isn't it great :) But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :)

....................

I was reading an article that Kevin now can see where he went wrong and has seen the error of his ways. I am sure he is all geared up (despite what he says) for another go at the leadership. He seems to be saying, "Give me another go, if I get the chance I will listen to Caucus, I will listen to the people, I am a changed man".

The Labor Party are sure to be listening to his pleas...... I hope not though....but for goodness sake, who on earth have they got? Combet, Shorten....scraping the bottom of the barrel now....

olive wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:36pm: Yes, isn't it great :) But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :) .................... I was reading an article that Kevin now can see where he went wrong and has seen the error of his ways. I am sure he is all geared up (despite what he says) for another go at the leadership. He seems to be saying, "Give me another go, if I get the chance I will listen to Caucus, I will listen to the people, I am a changed man". The Labor Party are sure to be listening to his pleas...... I hope not though....but for goodness sake, who on earth have they got? Combet, Shorten....scraping the bottom of the barrel now....

Oh make no mistake about it, Rudd is vying for the ALP leadership and to be Prime Minister.
Rudd even declared that in Gillardspeak when saying he was more likely to captain the Brisbane Broncos than become prime minister again. A direct reference to Gillard saying she likened her chances of taking the ALP leadership to playing full forward for the Western Bulldogs AFL team.
A month later Gillard had taken over.

LOL...Abbott scraped it into the Lib leadership by 1 vote - just how is Rudd gonna mount a coup with just 1 vote!?

As others have implied, Rudd's got an infinitely-better chance of ousting Abbott as Lib leader!  

Effectively, that's what the Polls and parrots are telling us!

::)

matty wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:27pm:

They were clinging on to Gillard being PPM, not that it means much anyway. Now, however, she is dead even with Abbott, with both on 46%.

Tony Abbott at an all Time Low
March 22, 2011

Despite his relentless attack on the Government’s proposed carbon tax price thing, Tony Abbott has taken a hammering in the latest Newspoll.

The poll, published in today’s Australian, shows Labor ahead of the Coalition 51-49 in the election-deciding two-party preferred stakes.

This is the first time Labor has been in front since November last year.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard is also comfortably ahead of Opposition Leader Tony Abbott as the preferred prime minister, polling 50 to Mr Abbott’s 36.

A fortnight ago, the figure was a less comfortable 45 for Ms Gillard and 36 for Mr Abbott.

Forty per cent say they are satisfied with Ms Gillard’s performance, up one point, but well down on the 50 per cent approval a month ago.

Her disapproval rating stands at 47 per cent, down four points in a fortnight.

Mr Abbott’s approval rating stands at 33 per cent, down six points in a fortnight.

This is the lowest approval rating for Tony Abbott since he replaced Malcolm Turnbull by just one vote in a controversial leadership spill in December 2009.

The Federal Opposition has been fighting hammer and nail against the government in recent weeks landing some significant punches over the proposed price on carbon scheme.

However, the fact that this has not translated into an increase in the approval rating for Mr Abbott must be concerning some senior Liberals, particularly Hockey, Brandis and Turnbull whose leadership aspirations may not lie dormant for much longer.

While the election is presumably some time away, the Liberal party must now be feeling some considerable pressure to reevaluate whether Tony Abbott really is electable.

The polls consistently suggest not.

http://guttertrash.wordpress.com/2011/03/22/tony-abbott-at-an-all-time-low/

Polls mean nothing this far out from an election!!!

::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:09pm:

Polls mean nothing this far out from an election!!! ::)

Rudd thought the same as well until he saw a flash of red behind him  ;D

olive wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:36pm: Yes, isn't it great :) But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :) .................... I was reading an article that Kevin now can see where he went wrong and has seen the error of his ways. I am sure he is all geared up (despite what he says) for another go at the leadership. He seems to be saying, "Give me another go, if I get the chance I will listen to Caucus, I will listen to the people, I am a changed man". The Labor Party are sure to be listening to his pleas...... I hope not though....but for goodness sake, who on earth have they got? Combet, Shorten....scraping the bottom of the barrel now....

If you dig even further you'll reach China - hey what about Penny Wong :)

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:14pm:

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:09pm: Polls mean nothing this far out from an election!!! ::) Rudd thought the same as well until he saw a flash of red behind him  ;D

Kevin Rudd was dumped by the Labor caucus.....Just as Turnbull was dumped by the Liberal party.....Just like every other leader that has been deposed by their party.....It is called politics and has nothing to do with the next election!!!

::)

philperth2010 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:32pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:14pm: philperth2010 wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 5:09pm: Polls mean nothing this far out from an election!!! ::) Rudd thought the same as well until he saw a flash of red behind him  ;D Kevin Rudd was dumped by the Labor caucus.....Just as Turnbull was dumped by the Liberal party.....Just like every other leader that has been deposed by their party.....It is called politics and has nothing to do with the next election!!! ::)

But it does phil

Woe is the day Combat takes the reins

quite simple.  She dropped to his level. If you look at the polls, it wasn't that he gained on Gillard, it's that she dropped on him.  Says quite a lot.  Australian people, just like many here you call the left, don't want either and see each "leader" with the same contempt.

My view on politics.
The Rotten Systems, and is there an Alterative?
The so called Civilizations since mankind came out of the cave, or maybe came down from the trees have hardly changed over thousands of years, because we are now as brutal to each other as they were in the stone ages; the only difference is, that thousands of years ago, men fought each other with sticks and stones, and now destructive weapons are used to the point that the planet on which we live could be completely destroyed in matters of minutes, if the potent weapons, designed by very clever people, put into the hands of not so clever, so called leaders, be they Kings, Dictators or just Politicians, and none of the latter display any scruples or courage to speak up against what should be spoken up against.
But in the so called Democracy, are the Politicians only to be blamed?
If a Politician speaks honestly, if that is possible, will he/she be re-elected at the next election; most likely not, and that is the weakness of a Democracy, the citizens in a Democracy cannot accept the truth, which may go against the voter interest, be it economically or otherwise.
How could Democracy be improved so that it becomes a better system of Government than all the other systems that preceded it?
Considering the previous systems, Be they Oligarchies, Royalties, Plutocracies or Communism.
The first three are only for the benefit of the few, based on either birth or other means, while the last would be the best, yet it completely collapsed after less than a hundred years, but why did Communism collapse so quickly?
The Capitalist always harp on the idea of being the human nature, and greed will always come out on top, when it comes to benefit humanity.
For Communism to work, the human mind has to broaden enormously, because if people think that Communism is a system made in heaven, they are very wrong, because it is obvious that if nobody is prepared to put in the effort he/she is capable of, and everybody has no desire to limit their consumption, the system cannot function.
But in any system, the main problem is, that there are always people trying to usurp the leading positions, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they are capable of being the leaders and are not just in the leading positions for their own benefit or boost their big ego.
As most of the aspiring leaders have the ability to fool the common people, by first crawling to them, and when they are in positions of power they will quickly turn around and often misuse the power vested in them.
The people in power also have the great ability of surrounding themselves with underlings who will lick the boots of their leaders, and empower the leader to overcome any attempt to challenge their leadership
Many male leaders are often also controlled by their wives or female partners and are rather weak in reality, but very cunning to outwit their opponents, but in the long run, the society with weak or unfair leaders always suffers.
In a Marriage, where a partner with less ability gains control through having a thicker skin, in the end both partners will not achieve their full potential, and this will also apply in every other Organization up to the leadership in Governments.
That does not mean that the more skillful partner in a marriage should debase his/her partner, but for the benefit of both and the community at large, fools should not be leaders, but use their skills and talents for the benefit of a family, a group or Government, and the so called Indians are just as valuable to society as are the Chiefs.
Never, never should the leaders in society be left in total position of power, but should always be challenged to explain and justify their actions.
Unfortunately many individuals which are prepared to challenge the leaders or the system are conveniently accused of “Rocking the Boat” or called “Whistleblowers” and many times they pay a high price for their actions.
Also the leaders of any society should not be put on a pedestal and idolized like super heroes, and when the people in power talk about serving the Community, they should really show their true colours and admit that they are not in those positions for their own ego and like to have their nose in the trough.
How many families become career politicians; now if to be a politician is such a hard and demanding task, a parent would hardly encourage their offspring to follow in their
foot-steps.
One way how Democratic performance could be greatly improved would be is , instead of having the Senate and Legislative Councils, abolish them and set up Committees of interested citizens to perform the task of keeping a watch over the Governments, and they should not be paid, except being remunerated for any expenses in performing their tasks.
There could also be some risk that this committees set up to keep the “bastards honest” do not become in to the same mould of the Australian Democrats, which although now completely obliterated, are a huge burden on the taxpayers, as there are many quite young ex MP’s enjoying the benefits of a generous parliamentary pension, with all the attached perks.
In the capitalist system, much emphasis is placed on the value of capital for the benefit of society, but is capital really so important for the function of society?

creep wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:57pm:

olive wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:44pm: creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:36pm: Yes, isn't it great :) But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :) .................... I was reading an article that Kevin now can see where he went wrong and has seen the error of his ways. I am sure he is all geared up (despite what he says) for another go at the leadership. He seems to be saying, "Give me another go, if I get the chance I will listen to Caucus, I will listen to the people, I am a changed man". The Labor Party are sure to be listening to his pleas...... I hope not though....but for goodness sake, who on earth have they got? Combet, Shorten....scraping the bottom of the barrel now.... Oh make no mistake about it, Rudd is vying for the ALP leadership and to be Prime Minister. Rudd even declared that in Gillardspeak when saying he was more likely to captain the Brisbane Broncos than become prime minister again. A direct reference to Gillard saying she likened her chances of taking the ALP leadership to playing full forward for the Western Bulldogs AFL team. A month later Gillard had taken over.

I agree. His positive comments for Gillard, IMO, is his way of revenge, ie doing what she did to him this time last year - pretend that she supported him, then knifing him just days later. I will walk naked from Sydney to Canberra if she is still PM in 2013.

matty wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:11pm:

I agree. His positive comments for Gillard, IMO, is his way of revenge, ie doing what she did to him this time last year - pretend that she supported him, then knifing him just days later. I will walk naked from Sydney to Canberra if she is still PM in 2013.

I beg you to take that back.  I doubt any would want to see that :(

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:15pm:

matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:11pm: I agree. His positive comments for Gillard, IMO, is his way of revenge, ie doing what she did to him this time last year - pretend that she supported him, then knifing him just days later. I will walk naked from Sydney to Canberra if she is still PM in 2013. I beg you to take that back.  I doubt any would want to see that :(

No, I will stick by word honey, unlike JuLIAR.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 5:52pm:

quite simple.  She dropped to his level. If you look at the polls, it wasn't that he gained on Gillard, it's that she dropped on him.  Says quite a lot.  Australian people, just like many here you call the left, don't want either and see each "leader" with the same contempt.

True that it's more her dropping than him rising, but that was the one thing that to which the left have been clinging, and they don't even have that anymore.

matty wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:17pm:

No, I will stick by word honey, unlike JuLIAR.

Well I for one hope that when you do walk naked from Sydney to Canberra the AFP at least drive beside you and cover you up with a shield.  For the sake of other unfortunate people who'd be driving in for a relaxing holiday, or for truckies who surely will swerve and cause an accident.

matty wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:11pm:

I agree. His positive comments for Gillard, IMO, is his way of revenge, ie doing what she did to him this time last year - pretend that she supported him, then knifing him just days later. I will walk naked from Sydney to Canberra if she is still PM in 2013.

And now Gillard is getting desperate to gain some public support.
Gillard knows that the Australian people hate Rudd,  really hate rudd for what he was like as a Prime Minsiter, and hate Rudd even more since he has been flagrently wasting millions on his world tours which have nothing to do for the betterment of Australia, but all about gaing support for his own UN seat.
SO now Gillard is trying to cash in on that hatred for Rudd by "spilling the beans".

"Why I rolled Kevin Rudd: Prime Minister Julia Gillard"

JULIA Gillard has revealed that she knocked off Kevin Rudd as prime minister because he had no sense of purpose or plan for the future.

As her approval rating sits at a record low amid renewed speculation about her leadership, Ms Gillard indicated it was Mr Rudd's political paralysis, rather than poor opinion polls, that led her to make the biggest decision of her life.

Speaking ahead of the first anniversary of Mr Rudd's dramatic overthrow, Ms Gillard gave the Herald Sun a rare insight as to why she toppled her leader.

"We had lost a sense of purpose and plan for the future," she said.

"We didn't have a clear plan as to how we were going to deal with a set of difficult questions or a clear plan generally about where the Government was driving towards.

"What I've done as Prime Minister is inject that sense of clarity of purpose."
Ms Gillard approaches Friday's anniversary with her personal approval rating in Newspoll at 30 per cent as she prepares to release the controversial carbon tax package in the next few weeks.

She warned that poll numbers might not lift until after the tax begins in July next year and anxious voters "live it" and see the effect of the whole package and compensation on their daily life.

Labor's primary vote is at its second worst level of 31 per cent. The worst was 30 per cent in March.

Mr Rudd's numbers were never that low and there have been rumblings this week that he wants to return to the leadership, although his support in the caucus is said to be barely 11 votes out of 100.

Mr Rudd yesterday rejected as "just a fabrication" reports that he and Ms Gillard had a screaming match on Thursday and denied he wanted to be PM again.

"Everyone needs to pop a Mogadon here. The answer to your question is no," he told ABC TV.

Appearing on The Circle on Channel 10, he said he was not after Ms Gillard's job and she would lead Labor to the next election.

On the day she became PM, Ms Gillard said Labor was a good government that had "lost its way" and she specifically named the super profits mining tax, asylum seeker policy and climate change as the three problem issues.

A year later all three issues continue to be problems for the Government.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said Mr Rudd should feel "ripped off".

"The change from Rudd to Gillard has been like Burke handing over to Wills. The Government is now more lost than ever."

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/why-i-rolled-kevin-rudd-prime-minister-julia-gillard/story-fn7x8me2-1226077339474

matty wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:18pm:

True that it's more her dropping than him rising, but that was the one thing that to which the left have been clinging, and they don't even have that anymore.

Some of the left, perhaps.  But I'm more concerned about the fact that she is dropping and he isn't rising, and their approval ratings are virtually the same.  Just goes to show that the current standing in our political landscape is that the majority don't want either.  So nothing to be happy about.

creep wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:11pm: I agree. His positive comments for Gillard, IMO, is his way of revenge, ie doing what she did to him this time last year - pretend that she supported him, then knifing him just days later. I will walk naked from Sydney to Canberra if she is still PM in 2013. And now Gillard is getting desperate to gain some public support. Gillard knows that the Australian people hate Rudd,  really hate rudd for what he was like as a Prime Minsiter, and hate Rudd even more since he has been flagrently wasting millions on his world tours which have nothing to do for the betterment of Australia, but all about gaing support for his own UN seat. SO now Gillard is trying to cash in on that hatred for Rudd by "spilling the beans". "Why I rolled Kevin Rudd: Prime Minister Julia Gillard" JULIA Gillard has revealed that she knocked off Kevin Rudd as prime minister because he had no sense of purpose or plan for the future. As her approval rating sits at a record low amid renewed speculation about her leadership, Ms Gillard indicated it was Mr Rudd's political paralysis, rather than poor opinion polls, that led her to make the biggest decision of her life. Speaking ahead of the first anniversary of Mr Rudd's dramatic overthrow, Ms Gillard gave the Herald Sun a rare insight as to why she toppled her leader. "We had lost a sense of purpose and plan for the future," she said. "We didn't have a clear plan as to how we were going to deal with a set of difficult questions or a clear plan generally about where the Government was driving towards. "What I've done as Prime Minister is inject that sense of clarity of purpose." Ms Gillard approaches Friday's anniversary with her personal approval rating in Newspoll at 30 per cent as she prepares to release the controversial carbon tax package in the next few weeks. She warned that poll numbers might not lift until after the tax begins in July next year and anxious voters "live it" and see the effect of the whole package and compensation on their daily life. Labor's primary vote is at its second worst level of 31 per cent. The worst was 30 per cent in March. Mr Rudd's numbers were never that low and there have been rumblings this week that he wants to return to the leadership, although his support in the caucus is said to be barely 11 votes out of 100. Mr Rudd yesterday rejected as "just a fabrication" reports that he and Ms Gillard had a screaming match on Thursday and denied he wanted to be PM again. "Everyone needs to pop a Mogadon here. The answer to your question is no," he told ABC TV. Appearing on The Circle on Channel 10, he said he was not after Ms Gillard's job and she would lead Labor to the next election. On the day she became PM, Ms Gillard said Labor was a good government that had "lost its way" and she specifically named the super profits mining tax, asylum seeker policy and climate change as the three problem issues. A year later all three issues continue to be problems for the Government. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said Mr Rudd should feel "ripped off". "The change from Rudd to Gillard has been like Burke handing over to Wills. The Government is now more lost than ever." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/why-i-rolled-kevin-rudd-prime-minister-julia-gillard/story-fn7x8me2-1226077339474

creep, her desperation and patheticness (yes, I know that that's not a word) really know no bonds, do they? She just continues to sink and sink and sink. Everyone was predicting that their primary vote would fall below 30% soon, and alas, it has.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:19pm:

matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:17pm: No, I will stick by word honey, unlike JuLIAR. Well I for one hope that when you do walk naked from Sydney to Canberra the AFP at least drive beside you and cover you up with a shield.  For the sake of other unfortunate people who'd be driving in for a relaxing holiday, or for truckies who surely will swerve and cause an accident.

No need, dear, because she won't be there.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:21pm:

matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:18pm: True that it's more her dropping than him rising, but that was the one thing that to which the left have been clinging, and they don't even have that anymore. Some of the left, perhaps.  But I'm more concerned about the fact that she is dropping and he isn't rising, and their approval ratings are virtually the same.  Just goes to show that the current standing in our political landscape is that the majority don't want either.  So nothing to be happy about.

Decent post. I do have my doubts about Tony Abbott, I must admit. It is worrying that both have far more dissatisfaction than satisfaction, isn't it?

matty wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:40pm:

creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:21pm: And now Gillard is getting desperate to gain some public support. Gillard knows that the Australian people hate Rudd,  really hate rudd for what he was like as a Prime Minsiter, and hate Rudd even more since he has been flagrently wasting millions on his world tours which have nothing to do for the betterment of Australia, but all about gaing support for his own UN seat. SO now Gillard is trying to cash in on that hatred for Rudd by "spilling the beans". "Why I rolled Kevin Rudd: Prime Minister Julia Gillard" JULIA Gillard has revealed that she knocked off Kevin Rudd as prime minister because he had no sense of purpose or plan for the future. As her approval rating sits at a record low amid renewed speculation about her leadership, Ms Gillard indicated it was Mr Rudd's political paralysis, rather than poor opinion polls, that led her to make the biggest decision of her life. Speaking ahead of the first anniversary of Mr Rudd's dramatic overthrow, Ms Gillard gave the Herald Sun a rare insight as to why she toppled her leader. "We had lost a sense of purpose and plan for the future," she said. "We didn't have a clear plan as to how we were going to deal with a set of difficult questions or a clear plan generally about where the Government was driving towards. "What I've done as Prime Minister is inject that sense of clarity of purpose." Ms Gillard approaches Friday's anniversary with her personal approval rating in Newspoll at 30 per cent as she prepares to release the controversial carbon tax package in the next few weeks. She warned that poll numbers might not lift until after the tax begins in July next year and anxious voters "live it" and see the effect of the whole package and compensation on their daily life. Labor's primary vote is at its second worst level of 31 per cent. The worst was 30 per cent in March. Mr Rudd's numbers were never that low and there have been rumblings this week that he wants to return to the leadership, although his support in the caucus is said to be barely 11 votes out of 100. Mr Rudd yesterday rejected as "just a fabrication" reports that he and Ms Gillard had a screaming match on Thursday and denied he wanted to be PM again. "Everyone needs to pop a Mogadon here. The answer to your question is no," he told ABC TV. Appearing on The Circle on Channel 10, he said he was not after Ms Gillard's job and she would lead Labor to the next election. On the day she became PM, Ms Gillard said Labor was a good government that had "lost its way" and she specifically named the super profits mining tax, asylum seeker policy and climate change as the three problem issues. A year later all three issues continue to be problems for the Government. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said Mr Rudd should feel "ripped off". "The change from Rudd to Gillard has been like Burke handing over to Wills. The Government is now more lost than ever." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/why-i-rolled-kevin-rudd-prime-minister-julia-gillard/story-fn7x8me2-1226077339474 creep, her desperation and patheticness (yes, I know that that's not a word) really know no bonds, do they? She just continues to sink and sink and sink. Everyone was predicting that their primary vote would fall below 30% soon, and alas, it has.

Gillards new objective.....to have an approval rating of 10% whilst being PM!

Gillard is right on course to achieve this.

Quote:

What do the left have to say about this?

"Don't blame me, I voted Green!"
-- T. Left

creep wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 10:48pm:

matty wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:40pm: creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 10:21pm: And now Gillard is getting desperate to gain some public support. Gillard knows that the Australian people hate Rudd,  really hate rudd for what he was like as a Prime Minsiter, and hate Rudd even more since he has been flagrently wasting millions on his world tours which have nothing to do for the betterment of Australia, but all about gaing support for his own UN seat. SO now Gillard is trying to cash in on that hatred for Rudd by "spilling the beans". "Why I rolled Kevin Rudd: Prime Minister Julia Gillard" JULIA Gillard has revealed that she knocked off Kevin Rudd as prime minister because he had no sense of purpose or plan for the future. As her approval rating sits at a record low amid renewed speculation about her leadership, Ms Gillard indicated it was Mr Rudd's political paralysis, rather than poor opinion polls, that led her to make the biggest decision of her life. Speaking ahead of the first anniversary of Mr Rudd's dramatic overthrow, Ms Gillard gave the Herald Sun a rare insight as to why she toppled her leader. "We had lost a sense of purpose and plan for the future," she said. "We didn't have a clear plan as to how we were going to deal with a set of difficult questions or a clear plan generally about where the Government was driving towards. "What I've done as Prime Minister is inject that sense of clarity of purpose." Ms Gillard approaches Friday's anniversary with her personal approval rating in Newspoll at 30 per cent as she prepares to release the controversial carbon tax package in the next few weeks. She warned that poll numbers might not lift until after the tax begins in July next year and anxious voters "live it" and see the effect of the whole package and compensation on their daily life. Labor's primary vote is at its second worst level of 31 per cent. The worst was 30 per cent in March. Mr Rudd's numbers were never that low and there have been rumblings this week that he wants to return to the leadership, although his support in the caucus is said to be barely 11 votes out of 100. Mr Rudd yesterday rejected as "just a fabrication" reports that he and Ms Gillard had a screaming match on Thursday and denied he wanted to be PM again. "Everyone needs to pop a Mogadon here. The answer to your question is no," he told ABC TV. Appearing on The Circle on Channel 10, he said he was not after Ms Gillard's job and she would lead Labor to the next election. On the day she became PM, Ms Gillard said Labor was a good government that had "lost its way" and she specifically named the super profits mining tax, asylum seeker policy and climate change as the three problem issues. A year later all three issues continue to be problems for the Government. Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said Mr Rudd should feel "ripped off". "The change from Rudd to Gillard has been like Burke handing over to Wills. The Government is now more lost than ever." http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/why-i-rolled-kevin-rudd-prime-minister-julia-gillard/story-fn7x8me2-1226077339474 creep, her desperation and patheticness (yes, I know that that's not a word) really know no bonds, do they? She just continues to sink and sink and sink. Everyone was predicting that their primary vote would fall below 30% soon, and alas, it has. Gillards new objective.....to have an approval rating of 10% whilst being PM! Gillard is right on course to achieve this.

I wouldn't be surprised if the primary vote drops below 25%. Who are the 27% still supporting them??

What do the left have to say about this?

What do I have to say????
The race to the bottom is neck and neck.
Do you find that something to celebrate? :o

Are you a complete fool? Gillard is PM. Abbott is nowhere, can't actually do anything and has to pay for his own publicity flights.

Who's your daddy then? You believe in polls do you? Well, check them out in 18 months time and see who stands where.

You see the public have to listen to 2 more years of Abbott repeating his same small minded drivel and most will know it for what it is once the carbon price is in and working.

You're dreaming, but it's actually a nightmare as you too think Abbott is PM, like he does. Fraid not.

olive wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:36pm: Yes, isn't it great :) But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :) .................... I was reading an article that Kevin now can see where he went wrong and has seen the error of his ways. I am sure he is all geared up (despite what he says) for another go at the leadership. He seems to be saying, "Give me another go, if I get the chance I will listen to Caucus, I will listen to the people, I am a changed man". The Labor Party are sure to be listening to his pleas...... I hope not though....but for goodness sake, who on earth have they got? Combet, Shorten....scraping the bottom of the barrel now....

not at all olive.. dont agree I think his aim is to see her wiped off the face of the ALP..he wants to see her get a flogging at the polls..and join her mate Latham...

he knows Lazarus will not rise again.and I dont think a leopard ever changes its spots and I dont think anyone else does either.


he is wracking up his fqtflyer points and taking her down little by little..

she has no answer to the polls..she has nothing to offer the public.. they can see right through her...shes shallow and ineffectual.

in other words as a PM a complete failure.

and he is enjoying every moment.... I mean he even went on the Circle for gods sake!!!!!!!!!!!!to publicise the 1st anniversary of his assassination.... how far does a Foreign Minister go for petesake?

cods wrote on Jun 19^th, 2011 at 9:03am:

not at all olive.. dont agree I think his aim is to see her wiped off the face of the ALP..he wants to see her get a flogging at the polls..and join her mate Latham... he knows Lazarus will not rise again.and I dont think a leopard ever changes its spots and I dont think anyone else does either. he is wracking up his fqtflyer points and taking her down little by little.. she has no answer to the polls..she has nothing to offer the public.. they can see right through her...shes shallow and ineffectual. in other words as a PM a complete failure. and he is enjoying every moment.... I mean he even went on the Circle for gods sake!!!!!!!!!!!!to publicise the 1st anniversary of his assassination.... how far does a Foreign Minister go for petesake?

As Gillard has been a complete failure as PM and is probably the worst PM in Australia's history with a succession of failures and no achievements whatsoever. Then rather than being a role model for women and young girls/women to strive for it looks much more likely that Gillard is advocating the role that a woman's place is in the home and not in the workforce!

cods wrote on Jun 19^th, 2011 at 9:03am:

olive wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:44pm: creep wrote on Jun 18th, 2011 at 4:36pm: Yes, isn't it great :) But let the brain dead zombies follow their leader, it's like watching a bunch of lemmings :) .................... I was reading an article that Kevin now can see where he went wrong and has seen the error of his ways. I am sure he is all geared up (despite what he says) for another go at the leadership. He seems to be saying, "Give me another go, if I get the chance I will listen to Caucus, I will listen to the people, I am a changed man". The Labor Party are sure to be listening to his pleas...... I hope not though....but for goodness sake, who on earth have they got? Combet, Shorten....scraping the bottom of the barrel now.... not at all olive.. dont agree I think his aim is to see her wiped off the face of the ALP..he wants to see her get a flogging at the polls..and join her mate Latham... he knows Lazarus will not rise again.and I dont think a leopard ever changes its spots and I dont think anyone else does either. he is wracking up his fqtflyer points and taking her down little by little.. she has no answer to the polls..she has nothing to offer the public.. they can see right through her...shes shallow and ineffectual. in other words as a PM a complete failure. and he is enjoying every moment.... I mean he even went on the Circle for gods sake!!!!!!!!!!!!to publicise the 1st anniversary of his assassination.... how far does a Foreign Minister go for petesake?

You know, the funny thing is that Rudd is (along with the Greens and Independents) actually in charge of government. Julia Gillard is a Yes woman.

Let's just look at a hypothetical situation.

There is a division in the house. The numbers are required to get a vote in for the government.

What if???? What if Kevin Rudd (because we all know his malevalency) decided to abstain.....or even not turn up when the Division Bells were ringing.

He may get to the situation where he just doesn't care about his job...particularly if he has something else on offer....and his greatest delight could be bringing Julia down.

Interesting thought.