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Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe June 23, 2011 - 10:36AM Opposition Leader Tony Abbott should not attend a conference alongside Lord Monckton after the British climate change denier claimed Ross Garnaut was a Nazi, Labor MPs say. In a speech in the US, Lord Christopher Monckton said Professor Garnaut, the government's chief climate change adviser, held fascist views and was someone who expected people to "accept authority without question". "Heil Hitler, on we go," said Lord Monckton when discussing Professor Garnaut. Lord Monckton is scheduled to speak at the Mining and Exploration Companies (AMEC) conference in Perth next week. Mr Abbott and federal independent MP Rob Oakeshott are expected to attend the event. Labor MP Deborah O'Neill said it was "disgrace" that the image of a swastika was used in Lord Monckton's recent speech and called on Mr Abbott to withdraw from the conference. "Frankly, I think unless Lord Monckton actually is removed from the program Tony Abbott should refuse to be on the same platform with the same person," she said today. Liberal MP and climate-change supporter Malcolm Turnbull said Lord Monckton was a "sensationalist" and he didn't think Professor Garnaut would lose any sleep over the matter. "He is increasingly a rather sick, vaudeville character who makes more and more outlandish charges in order to get attention for himself," Mr Turnbull said. Fellow Liberal MP Jamie Briggs echoed these comments. "I think in public debate everyone's entitled to have a view but that does not extend to personal abuse and it certainly doesn't extend to using offensive symbols from the past," Mr Briggs said. When asked whether Mr Oakeshott should also withdraw from the conference, Labor backbencher Michelle Rowland said he wasn't "putting himself up to be the alternative prime minister" like Mr Abbott. AAP

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Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way.
He stepped over the line this time.

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:02am:

Disgraceful Quote: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe June 23, 2011 - 10:36AM Opposition Leader Tony Abbott should not attend a conference alongside Lord Monckton after the British climate change denier claimed Ross Garnaut was a Nazi, Labor MPs say. In a speech in the US, Lord Christopher Monckton said Professor Garnaut, the government's chief climate change adviser, held fascist views and was someone who expected people to "accept authority without question". "Heil Hitler, on we go," said Lord Monckton when discussing Professor Garnaut. Lord Monckton is scheduled to speak at the Mining and Exploration Companies (AMEC) conference in Perth next week. Mr Abbott and federal independent MP Rob Oakeshott are expected to attend the event. Labor MP Deborah O'Neill said it was "disgrace" that the image of a swastika was used in Lord Monckton's recent speech and called on Mr Abbott to withdraw from the conference. "Frankly, I think unless Lord Monckton actually is removed from the program Tony Abbott should refuse to be on the same platform with the same person," she said today. Liberal MP and climate-change supporter Malcolm Turnbull said Lord Monckton was a "sensationalist" and he didn't think Professor Garnaut would lose any sleep over the matter. "He is increasingly a rather sick, vaudeville character who makes more and more outlandish charges in order to get attention for himself," Mr Turnbull said. Fellow Liberal MP Jamie Briggs echoed these comments. "I think in public debate everyone's entitled to have a view but that does not extend to personal abuse and it certainly doesn't extend to using offensive symbols from the past," Mr Briggs said. When asked whether Mr Oakeshott should also withdraw from the conference, Labor backbencher Michelle Rowland said he wasn't "putting himself up to be the alternative prime minister" like Mr Abbott. AAP http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/22/2446023/art-415326574-420x0.jpg

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Prevailing Gold Member ***** Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2500       Re: Bob Hawkws not well !!! Reply #15 - Today at 8:55am Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote Bob Hawke is such a Nazi , I just hope the end is not to easy for him, for what he did to this country and the harm he did to peoples lives. Bob is such a failure as a human being and a Father he messed his daughter up so bad with his psychopathic cruelty she was driven to Heroine drugs.Cool Cool Back to top

HOLY SWASTIKA BATMAN
IS PREVAILING LORD MOCKTON???????????


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"He is increasingly a rather sick, vaudeville character who makes more and more outlandish charges in order to get attention for himself," Mr Turnbull said.

See Prev even Turnbull knows who you are.
Time for the tin foil, They're watching & recording

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astro_surf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:02am:

Disgraceful Quote: Abbott on the spot after Nazi gibe June 23, 2011 - 10:36AM Opposition Leader Tony Abbott should not attend a conference alongside Lord Monckton after the British climate change denier claimed Ross Garnaut was a Nazi, Labor MPs say. In a speech in the US, Lord Christopher Monckton said Professor Garnaut, the government's chief climate change adviser, held fascist views and was someone who expected people to "accept authority without question". "Heil Hitler, on we go," said Lord Monckton when discussing Professor Garnaut. Lord Monckton is scheduled to speak at the Mining and Exploration Companies (AMEC) conference in Perth next week. Mr Abbott and federal independent MP Rob Oakeshott are expected to attend the event. Labor MP Deborah O'Neill said it was "disgrace" that the image of a swastika was used in Lord Monckton's recent speech and called on Mr Abbott to withdraw from the conference. "Frankly, I think unless Lord Monckton actually is removed from the program Tony Abbott should refuse to be on the same platform with the same person," she said today. Liberal MP and climate-change supporter Malcolm Turnbull said Lord Monckton was a "sensationalist" and he didn't think Professor Garnaut would lose any sleep over the matter. "He is increasingly a rather sick, vaudeville character who makes more and more outlandish charges in order to get attention for himself," Mr Turnbull said. Fellow Liberal MP Jamie Briggs echoed these comments. "I think in public debate everyone's entitled to have a view but that does not extend to personal abuse and it certainly doesn't extend to using offensive symbols from the past," Mr Briggs said. When asked whether Mr Oakeshott should also withdraw from the conference, Labor backbencher Michelle Rowland said he wasn't "putting himself up to be the alternative prime minister" like Mr Abbott. AAP http://images.theage.com.au/2011/06/22/2446023/art-415326574-420x0.jpg

Same problem. Cut 'n paste. Do you think you qualify as a news feed? Sorry, you don't. Just a third rate cut ' paster with no opinion.

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't ya astro?

ROFL @ Smithy! ;D


chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:12am:

Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time.

Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that.

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:21am:

ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that.

Yes even tho I often disagree with chook he and sprint have something the likes of prevailing don't, integrity.

On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity.
He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines.
But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway?
Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it?
That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:32am:

On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest.

And why is Oakeshott going too mate?  Isnt he on the committee?

Or was it because they were invited.

Stop in a tea cup crap.

How this is made about Abbott has me stumped, and the headline suggests Abbott is the one making the jibe.

Deceptive stuff from Astro on this occassion.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:32am:

On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest.

Abbott is getting a very sore groin from straddling both sides of the fence in order to hold on to any vote he can get.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:32am:

On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest.

I think its called debating an issue smithy something Abbott cant do with our current PM... she cant debate only abuse and tell whoppers.oh and point fingers.. sad but true.

I think its about time this subject was debated by our power brokers...pollies..

I think its high time this govt told us the FACTS told us what their plans are. told us what their price is and told us what the affects will be,

dont you??????.. or am I the only one that wants to know whats in store for us?

Much a do about nothing. The reference is to expecting people to take authority without question, not to the man himself. Just not good enough to try and get rid of someone you dislike, but sure you could cry at the reference itself, but you are not going to get far.

cods wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:38am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. I think its called debating an issue smithy something Abbott cant do with our current PM... she cant debate only abuse and tell whoppers.oh and point fingers.. sad but true. I think its about time this subject was debated by our power brokers...pollies.. I think its high time this govt told us the FACTS told us what their plans are. told us what their price is and told us what the affects will be, dont you??????.. or am I the only one that wants to know whats in store for us?

Once again Fishwife, you go off track with a vicuous and abusing rant.   This thread is about remarks made by some poncing british Lord about an australian who has worked his way up to the top of his field.    Do you or do you not Nana, support the poncing Lord's remarks associating Hitler with an eminant Australian.

It doesn't matter whether you agree or disagree with the Professor.  It is about other entities abusing or maligning a fellow Australian.   So Fishwife - are you with the Lord on this one or will you stick up for an australian?

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In a speech in the US, Lord Christopher Monckton said Professor Garnaut, the government's chief climate change adviser, held fascist views and was someone who expected people to "accept authority without question".

Hysterical wrist flapping aside - the statement is true.  

The truth hurts sometimes dunnit?

cods wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:38am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. I think its called debating an issue smithy something Abbott cant do with our current PM... she cant debate only abuse and tell whoppers.oh and point fingers.. sad but true. I think its about time this subject was debated by our power brokers...pollies.. I think its high time this govt told us the FACTS told us what their plans are. told us what their price is and told us what the affects will be, dont you??????.. or am I the only one that wants to know whats in store for us?

I told you the facts the other night Cods.
More of our tax dollars are going to be spent on the environment regardless of which party wins the next election.
You never said which plan you preferred.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:48am:

cods wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:38am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. I think its called debating an issue smithy something Abbott cant do with our current PM... she cant debate only abuse and tell whoppers.oh and point fingers.. sad but true. I think its about time this subject was debated by our power brokers...pollies.. I think its high time this govt told us the FACTS told us what their plans are. told us what their price is and told us what the affects will be, dont you??????.. or am I the only one that wants to know whats in store for us? I told you the facts the other night Cods. More of our tax dollars are going to be spent on the environment regardless of which party wins the next election. You never said which plan you preferred.

ok smithy spell out the plans... and I will tell you which I will vote for if I am given the chance..

skippy. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:36am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. Abbott is getting a very sore groin from straddling both sides of the fence in order to hold on to any vote he can get.

LOL...lots of ugly visuals there - including prospect of the rabid budgie smuggler's impending Karmic Wedgie to rival all wedgies!

Time to invest in ear-muffs to stifle the inevitable foul SQUAWKS!

:o

Verge wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:36am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. And why is Oakeshott going too mate?  Isnt he on the committee? Or was it because they were invited. Stop in a tea cup crap. How this is made about Abbott has me stumped, and the headline suggests Abbott is the one making the jibe. Deceptive stuff from Astro on this occassion.

I agree Verge, Abbott cannot be held accountable for what the loony lord monckton says.
The point that Smithy raises, as to why Abbott and to a lesser extent, Oakeshott, would even want to be seen anywhere near this utterly discredited self promoter, Monckton, is the most pertinent question.
I have always said that I believe Abbott to be playing a totally disingenuous game over the Climate Change issue, where he makes the right noises for the public, that he takes it seriously, and has policy and plans to address it, while at the very same time, he continues to woo the denialists, by opposing any and all actual reforms that would help to mitigate Carbon pollution, and still allows his statement that he believed Climate Change is absolute crap, to lend traction for him amongst the denialist set, who appreciate that he is just paying lip service to any real reform, due to political expediency.

Now the fact that he can manage to fool so many with this duplicitous stance, while at the same time declaring the Prime Minister as being deceitful, for her pre-election Carbon Tax statement, is a dangerously shaky platform to stand on, and sooner or later, his own perceived honesty will have to be questioned over this issue.

Equitist wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:56am:

skippy. wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:36am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. Abbott is getting a very sore groin from straddling both sides of the fence in order to hold on to any vote he can get. LOL...lots of ugly visuals there - including prospect of the rabid budgie smuggler's impending Karmic Wedgie to rival all wedgies! Time to invest in ear-muffs to stifle the inevitable foul SQUAWKS! :o

Have you ever been to surf carnival. What sort of swimming trunks do they wear...Hes a volunteer life saver for f u c k sake .

GROW UP   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:53am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:48am: cods wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:38am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. I think its called debating an issue smithy something Abbott cant do with our current PM... she cant debate only abuse and tell whoppers.oh and point fingers.. sad but true. I think its about time this subject was debated by our power brokers...pollies.. I think its high time this govt told us the FACTS told us what their plans are. told us what their price is and told us what the affects will be, dont you??????.. or am I the only one that wants to know whats in store for us? I told you the facts the other night Cods. More of our tax dollars are going to be spent on the environment regardless of which party wins the next election. You never said which plan you preferred. ok smithy spell out the plans... and I will tell you which I will vote for if I am given the chance..

repost from here
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Labor - *Yes a tax, but on industry not you personally * Extra money in your pocket, it will never be enough but the way they stress it, it has to be more than a token effort *You, whilst not spoilt for choice can choose how that money is spent throughout the extra costs from Industry. A decidedly liberal philosphy if you really think about it Wink *Compensation for hardest hit industries to negate (hopefully) some of the increase to consumers. Liberal- *Give Industry a bucket load of tax dollars (with no obligation or at least none voiced so far) to maybe decrease their emissions. Where is that money to be found? It whilst not directly coming out of your purse will come in the form of reduced services, higher cost for goverment services or perhaps a levy, we don't know. * Planting trees, great idea but where does the land come from? Aparently I've heard it will require a bucket load of space, sure there's plenty of space in this country but it's already sparce as far as trees go for a reason. So theirs your choice in a nutshell Regardless of anything you will PAY MORE for the environment so which would you rather.

Katter's party in trouble?
June 17, 2011

SUPPORT for Bob Katter's new political party is losing ground with the Queensland MPs he wants to jump on his bandwagon.

In early June, the maverick far north Queensland federal MP called for candidates for Katter's Australian Party, which will stand for agricultural issues at the next Queensland and federal elections.

Independent MP Rob Messenger had been flirting with the idea of joining Mr Katter's new force, describing him as a "a living legend".

But the Burnett MP says despite agreeing with "110 per cent" of the party's policy platform, he won't be joining.

Mr Messenger referred to Mr Katter's anger and said "he is going about things the wrong way".

"He's not behaving in a politically smart or astute way," he said.

"I understand why he's got this anger; he's seen friends die because of deregulation, but he needs to put that anger aside and it's almost as though he wants revenge."

He accused Mr Katter of tarring Queensland independents with the same brush as his federal counterparts Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, who delivered government to Julia Gillard and the Labor Party.

"He's confusing federal independent politics. I can understand the anger he has against Windsor and Oakshott," he said.

"He's executing his policies in a very angry way."

Mr Messenger said the "the game breaker" was a media report that Mr Katter was bullying a state independent MP and a Liberal National Party MP into signing up.

Earlier this week, Mr Katter fired a warning at Maryborough MP Chris Foley and LNP Hervey Bay MP Ted Sorensen to ignore the opportunity to join his party at their peril.

"Those of us who have walked out need to work together and we would plead with the independents to join us," Mr Katter told the Fraser Coast Chronicle this week.

"If not, we're taking you out."

Mr Messenger said his motto was to put "people before political parties".

"Bob's first political act in Queensland state politics has been to threaten two people who I respect and admire," he said.


Cont ...

http://www.weeklytimesnow.com.au/article/2011/06/17/346515_latest-news.html

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Verge wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:36am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. And why is Oakeshott going too mate?  Isnt he on the committee? Or was it because they were invited. Stop in a tea cup crap. How this is made about Abbott has me stumped, and the headline suggests Abbott is the one making the jibe. Deceptive stuff from Astro on this occassion.

Monkton is an idiot. Nobody denies it. But so is Gore at the opposite end of the scale.

But astro-turd's attempt to link this to Abbott was pathetic. no surprise tho!

If Abbott chooses to lay with dogs he'll end up smelling like one.

skippy. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 12:54pm:

If Abbott chooses to lay with dogs he'll end up smelling like one.

;D ;D ;D   You'd know trooper
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:12am:

Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time.

CSIRO SAYS WHAT???????????????????????????????????????

CSIRO SAYS WHAT???????????????????????????????????????  :D

... wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:17am:

Really scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't ya astro?

sORRY............. I just can't quite remember what the CSIRO said??

sORRY............. I just can't quite remember what the CSIRO said??

:( :( :( :( :D ;) ;)

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:21am:

ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that.

Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!!

Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!!

Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!!

Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!!

Maybe he's just yellow?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:06pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. CSIRO SAYS WHAT??????????????????????????????????????? CSIRO SAYS WHAT???????????????????????????????????????  :D

Garnaut is contemptible Nazi filth as are all Carbon Tax activists.

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:06pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. CSIRO SAYS WHAT??????????????????????????????????????? CSIRO SAYS WHAT???????????????????????????????????????  :D Garnaut is contemptible Nazi filth as are all Carbon Tax activists.

LOL, Afternoon Prev
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skippy. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:24am:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:21am: ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that. Yes even tho I often disagree with chook he and sprint have something the likes of prevailing don't, integrity.

They simply saw what the CSIRO did and decided not to bother even trying to waste their time defending 'the madder monk'!

 ;D :D :D :D ;D ;) ;) 8-)

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:06pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. CSIRO SAYS WHAT??????????????????????????????????????? CSIRO SAYS WHAT???????????????????????????????????????  :D Garnaut is contemptible Nazi filth as are all Carbon Tax activists.

Was prevailing banned?? either that or Lord Monky has joined us.

Yes Smithy, it looks like a duck, and quacks.

I think the fact that I told him this morning to moderate his language, or he would be banned, may have inspired him to start a new account, lol, he obviously doesn't realise that with a ban I can also include IP addresses, not just usernames.

I hope he smartens up, because if he pushes it and cops another ban, it will not be just for 24 hours, he really needs to start to behave a lot more responsibly if he wants to stay a member here, and calling everyone he does not agree with a Nazi, is not a good way to achieve that.

... wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:47am:

Quote: In a speech in the US, Lord Christopher Monckton said Professor Garnaut, the government's chief climate change adviser, held fascist views and was someone who expected people to "accept authority without question". Hysterical wrist flapping aside - the statement is true.   The truth hurts sometimes dunnit?

Are you captain of the never-ending-debate team?

Weak weak weak weak weak!!!  :D :D :D

So, how about us having to take Monktons view as bible?!!?

Deal with that curveball if you dare.... loser! You can't because you are weak and only engage in debate that goes in circles!!!  8-)

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :-X

skippy. wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:12pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:06pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. CSIRO SAYS WHAT??????????????????????????????????????? CSIRO SAYS WHAT???????????????????????????????????????  :D Garnaut is contemptible Nazi filth as are all Carbon Tax activists. Was prevailing banned?? either that or Lord Monky has joined us.

They only ban you for a week: he'll be back!

Sometimes it's only for a day actually!  ;) ;)

mozzaok wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Yes Smithy, it looks like a duck, and quacks. I think the fact that I told him this morning to moderate his language, or he would be banned, may have inspired him to start a new account, lol, he obviously doesn't realise that with a ban I can also include IP addresses, not just usernames. I hope he smartens up, because if he pushes it and cops another ban, it will not be just for 24 hours, he really needs to start to behave a lot more responsibly if he wants to stay a member here, and calling everyone he does not agree with a Nazi, is not a good way to achieve that.

aND as was pointed out on lateline last night it indicates a lack of ability to provide scientific rigour... however ya spell that word!  :D :D

Someone should invoke Godwins law on 'im: MAN I WOULD LAUGH SO HARD!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

mozzaok wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:21pm:

Yes Smithy, it looks like a duck, and quacks. I think the fact that I told him this morning to moderate his language, or he would be banned, may have inspired him to start a new account, lol, he obviously doesn't realise that with a ban I can also include IP addresses, not just usernames. I hope he smartens up, because if he pushes it and cops another ban, it will not be just for 24 hours, he really needs to start to behave a lot more responsibly if he wants to stay a member here, and calling everyone he does not agree with a Nazi, is not a good way to achieve that.

You can't ban him, I've got heaps more Klink images to use ;D

I only call the people over in the leafy suburbs waging class war on my community Nazis, which they are - they are evil fascists who destroy peoples lives and steal peoples labour capital.  I call anyone who advocates policies destructive to the working class, the poor, the homeless, the disabled, the elderly ect a Nazi - that is what they are.  I call the Carbon Tax a Tax on the chemical composition of the poor - its a Nazi tax and the people pushing it are evil, malevolent, contemptible worms.   Of course I am not Prev whoever that is and I use a proxy.:)

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:12pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:21am: ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that. Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Maybe he's just yellow?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D

Did you hit your head again falling over?
What does the CSIRO have to do with the price of eggs.
Put your crash helmet back on pops. ;D

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 11:48am:

cods wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:38am: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:32am: On a more serious note, Abbott will revel in the publicity. He'll somehow work the carbon tax into it, perhaps something about extra cost for the gas in the ovens or something along those lines. But why is he appearing with Monckton anyway? Doesn't he believe in CC & have a Direct Action Plan to tackle it? That's what he's been telling us, could he be lying???? Surely not after the hard time his been giving Gillard about being less than honest. I think its called debating an issue smithy something Abbott cant do with our current PM... she cant debate only abuse and tell whoppers.oh and point fingers.. sad but true. I think its about time this subject was debated by our power brokers...pollies.. I think its high time this govt told us the FACTS told us what their plans are. told us what their price is and told us what the affects will be, dont you??????.. or am I the only one that wants to know whats in store for us? I told you the facts the other night Cods. More of our tax dollars are going to be spent on the environment regardless of which party wins the next election. You never said which plan you preferred.

Abbott is so compromised: THE LEADERSHIP OF THE ANTI-MARKET FORCES 'LIBERAL' PARTY IS UNSUSTAINABLE!

Julie Bishop is unfocussed: I WONDER WHY!

HER HEAD WILL BE CALLED FOR V. SOON!!!

BUT, THE LIBS ARE TOO SCARED TO CHANGE AND INFACT IT CAN'T BE JUSTIFIED  AT THE MOMENT WITH THE POLLS THEY'VE GOT BUT SURELY THEY DON'T WANT TO LEAVE IT TOO LATE. THEY KNOW TONY HAS AN INSIGNIFICANT PLAN FOR THE COUNTRYS FUTURE AT A TIME WHEN IT CALLS FOR A SIGNIFICANT ONE!

I PREDICT A LABOR WIN AT THE NEXT TWO ELECTIONS: END OF!

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:30pm:

mozzaok wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:21pm: Yes Smithy, it looks like a duck, and quacks. I think the fact that I told him this morning to moderate his language, or he would be banned, may have inspired him to start a new account, lol, he obviously doesn't realise that with a ban I can also include IP addresses, not just usernames. I hope he smartens up, because if he pushes it and cops another ban, it will not be just for 24 hours, he really needs to start to behave a lot more responsibly if he wants to stay a member here, and calling everyone he does not agree with a Nazi, is not a good way to achieve that. You can't ban him, I've got heaps more Klink images to use ;D

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:30pm:

I only call the people over in the leafy suburbs waging class war on my community Nazis, which they are - they are evil fascists who destroy peoples lives and steal peoples labour capital.  I call anyone who advocates policies destructive to the working class, the poor, the homeless, the disabled, the elderly ect a Nazi - that is what they are.  I call the Carbon Tax a Tax on the chemical composition of the poor - its a Nazi tax and the people pushing it are evil, malevolent, contemptible worms.   Of course I am not Prev whoever that is and I use a proxy.:)

Those people that you hate so much provide the tax money that supports the likes of you.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:30pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:12pm: astro_surf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:21am: ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that. Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Maybe he's just yellow?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D Did you hit your head again falling over? What does the CSIRO have to do with the price of eggs. Put your crash helmet back on pops. ;D

Crikey

The CSIRO asked to be removed as a principle sponsor of a mining industry conference, after organisers booked notorious climate change denier, the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, Christopher Monckton, to deliver the keynote address.

SOURCE: http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/csiro-drops-sponsorship-conference-featuring-monckton

...are you honestly trying to tell the forum you didn't know this???????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D ::)

No the working class over in my suburbs pay the Taxes, provide the labour, create the wealth so the Nazi parasites can live their privileged lives over in the leafy suburbs and dream up scams to rob us of more - they should take all their thieving pokie machines away and hand back to us all of the money they have maliciously and criminally stolen.

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:47pm:

No the working class over in my suburbs pay the Taxes, provide the labour, create the wealth so the Nazi parasites can live their privileged lives over in the leafy suburbs and dream up scams to rob us of more - they should take all their thieving pokie machines away and hand back to us all of the money they have maliciously and criminally stolen.

Oh I see, its all the pokies fault. ;D

Call Nick Xenophon,he cares.

Thats why I dont care what happens to the rich - dont ask me to feel sorry for poor Bob Hawke who drove his own daughter to drugs, I dont care what happens to a Nazi thief.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:40pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:30pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:12pm: astro_surf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:21am: ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that. Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Maybe he's just yellow?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D Did you hit your head again falling over? What does the CSIRO have to do with the price of eggs. Put your crash helmet back on pops. ;D Crikey The CSIRO asked to be removed as a principle sponsor of a mining industry conference, after organisers booked notorious climate change denier, the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, Christopher Monckton, to deliver the keynote address. SOURCE: http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/csiro-drops-sponsorship-conference-featuring-monckton ...are you honestly trying to tell the forum you didn't know this???????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D ::)

Yes I am actually.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 12:51pm:

Monkton is an idiot. Nobody denies it. But so is Gore at the opposite end of the scale. But astro-turd's attempt to link this to Abbott was pathetic. no surprise tho!

My attempt? yes, I write copy for The Age, that's right, you freaking genius ::)

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 1:56pm:

Thats why I dont care what happens to the rich - dont ask me to feel sorry for poor Bob Hawke who drove his own daughter to drugs, I dont care what happens to a Nazi thief.

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n207/walkaheap/Klink.jpg

The point is ABBOTT CAN'T WIN FROM HERE AND JULIA GILLARD KNOWS IT!


IT'S A GENTLE ART AND ABBOTT HAS NO CLUE!!

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 2:16pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 12:51pm: Monkton is an idiot. Nobody denies it. But so is Gore at the opposite end of the scale. But astro-turd's attempt to link this to Abbott was pathetic. no surprise tho! My attempt? yes, I write copy for The Age, that's right, you freaking genius ::)

The pro carbon tax thieves are such hypocrites - everyone should email Bob Hawke while he is spruiking for sympathy and ask him if he has any remorse or would like to apologize to his daughter.  Instead, Bob, Juliar and their Gang of thieves want to get a carbon tax through knowing it will kill elderly and disabled people.  But killing people is nothing to Bob and juliar -  look at his daughter.

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 2:29pm:

astro_surf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 2:16pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 12:51pm: Monkton is an idiot. Nobody denies it. But so is Gore at the opposite end of the scale. But astro-turd's attempt to link this to Abbott was pathetic. no surprise tho! My attempt? yes, I write copy for The Age, that's right, you freaking genius ::) The pro carbon tax thieves are such hypocrites - everyone should email Bob Hawke while he is spruiking for sympathy and ask him if he has any remorse or would like to apologize to his daughter.  Instead, Bob, Juliar and their Gang of thieves want to get a carbon tax through knowing it will kill elderly and disabled people.  But killing people is nothing to Bob and juliar -  look at his daughter.

SUCH POSTS INDICATE TONY ABBOTT IS IN DEEP DEEP DOO DOO!

 :D :D

TONY ABBOTT OFFICIALLY HAS NEGATIVE MOMENTUM imOBVIOUSLYho!  ;D :D :D :D :D :-*

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/tony-abbott-slams-lord-moncktons-fascist-slur-against-ross-garnaut/story-e6frg6nf-1226080599395


There ya go Tards, ya tin god has spoken

Its quote funny that Lord Mockton is against a central world government (and fair enough), yet its many of his followers who dont think Australia should do anything about climate change until their is a central world carbon price enforced, I assume, by a central world government.

huh ?

LULZ OH MY LULZ

tONY ABBOTT IS GONE!!


;D ;D ;D ;D

Where is Tony abbott momentum going to come from now!??!

THIS IS BIG! THIS IS HUGE GET READY FOR METROSEXUAL TEARS EVERYWHERE AS THE WHOLE SHEBANG IS COMING DOWN FOR THE SILVER SPOONERS AS WE VERY SPEAK I'M TELLING YA!!

LULZ LULZ  :D :D HYPERACTIVE-LULZ!!

:-* :-*

PARTY PARTY PARTY...

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 2:09pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:40pm: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:30pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 1:12pm: astro_surf wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:21am: ROFL @ Smithy! ;D chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 11:12am: Their is no excuse for using that death symbol at any time, or referring to Garnaut in that way. He stepped over the line this time. Good for you! Drawing a line in the sand. I respect that. Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Chicken is simply not willing to go against the argument put forward by the CSIRO!! Maybe he's just yellow?  ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;) ;D Did you hit your head again falling over? What does the CSIRO have to do with the price of eggs. Put your crash helmet back on pops. ;D Crikey The CSIRO asked to be removed as a principle sponsor of a mining industry conference, after organisers booked notorious climate change denier, the Third Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, Christopher Monckton, to deliver the keynote address. SOURCE: http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/csiro-drops-sponsorship-conference-featuring-monckton ...are you honestly trying to tell the forum you didn't know this???????  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D :D ;) ;) ;) :D :D :D ::) Yes I am actually.

http://www.climatespectator.com.au/news/csiro-drops-sponsorship-conference-featuring-monckton

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 2:29pm:

knowing it will kill elderly and disabled people.  But killing people is nothing to Bob and juliar -  look at his daughter.

Hahaha! Woo woo! Whose sock is this one?

Is there any doubt that this Leaping Lord Budgie Monkfish is a first class lunatic!
This is the kind of fool the deniers hold up as a demi god!

On the plus side, we'll get to enjoy a new round of cartoons - with emphasis on different tid bits - such as: Budgie Smuggling Mad Monk Meets Monkton in Mining Drag!

adelcrow wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 5:53pm:

Is there any doubt that this Leaping Lord Budgie Monkfish is a first class lunatic! This is the kind of fool the deniers hold up as a demi god!

well you all worship at the feet of Al 'i invented the internet' Gore. hardly an improvement. Gore  - the only man in the world that can make you feel grateful that Bush stole the 2000 election!

My purpose in life is to deny resources to the rich - this is my mission ladies to disobey, to struggle, to resist, to defeat the criminals....Grow a set and join me in the fight. :-?

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 7:42pm:

My purpose in life is to deny resources to the rich - this is my mission ladies to disobey, to struggle, to resist, to defeat the criminals....Grow a set and join me in the fight. :-?

maybe your mission shoudl be to lose 100kg, get a job and stop being a wanker.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 1:08pm:

TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 7:42pm: My purpose in life is to deny resources to the rich - this is my mission ladies to disobey, to struggle, to resist, to defeat the criminals....Grow a set and join me in the fight. :-? maybe your mission shoudl be to lose 100kg, get a job and stop being a wanker.

LOL
And stop with the sox!

so those deriding Lord Monckton then perhaps you should see just how bad you lefties are - do lefties know what year it is? or even what day it is???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuj_tlRRQdQ

creep wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 1:16pm:

so those deriding Lord Monckton then perhaps you should see just how bad you lefties are - do lefties know what year it is? or even what day it is??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuj_tlRRQdQ

That's a good one creep..
But my favourite is the one (from Penn and Teller??) where they went to an Earth Day or some other Festival and gathered signatures to ban DiHydrogen Monoxide...That's a hoot and a half..

creep wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 1:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 24th, 2011 at 1:08pm: TheScumAtTheTop wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 7:42pm: My purpose in life is to deny resources to the rich - this is my mission ladies to disobey, to struggle, to resist, to defeat the criminals....Grow a set and join me in the fight. :-? maybe your mission shoudl be to lose 100kg, get a job and stop being a wanker. LOL And stop with the sox!

I think it's probably a lefty trying to make you guys look bad worse!  :o

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:

That's a good one creep.. But my favourite is the one (from Penn and Teller??) where they went to an Earth Day or some other Festival and gathered signatures to ban DiHydrogen Monoxide...That's a hoot and a half..

Yes LOL, highlights the lefties attitude and lack of any intelligence, and that they are sheep.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:

creep wrote on Jun 24th, 2011 at 1:16pm: so those deriding Lord Monckton then perhaps you should see just how bad you lefties are - do lefties know what year it is? or even what day it is??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuj_tlRRQdQ That's a good one creep.. But my favourite is the one (from Penn and Teller??) where they went to an Earth Day or some other Festival and gathered signatures to ban DiHydrogen Monoxide...That's a hoot and a half..

Bwaahhahaha....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yi3erdgVVTw

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 23^rd, 2011 at 7:30pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 5:53pm: Is there any doubt that this Leaping Lord Budgie Monkfish is a first class lunatic! This is the kind of fool the deniers hold up as a demi god! well you all worship at the feet of Al 'i invented the internet' Gore. hardly an improvement. Gore  - the only man in the world that can make you feel grateful that Bush stole the 2000 election!

I've never seen anyone cite Gore as an authority on this website before, despite the fact that his film was an accurate depiction of the science, yet you guys always trundle out the Gore retorts as if it supposed to prove something. I guess when you're so bereft of an argument you really need to resort to whatever you can to make it feel like your putting runs on the board.

astro_surf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 1:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 7:30pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 23rd, 2011 at 5:53pm: Is there any doubt that this Leaping Lord Budgie Monkfish is a first class lunatic! This is the kind of fool the deniers hold up as a demi god! well you all worship at the feet of Al 'i invented the internet' Gore. hardly an improvement. Gore  - the only man in the world that can make you feel grateful that Bush stole the 2000 election! I've never seen anyone cite Gore as an authority on this website before, despite the fact that his film was an accurate depiction of the science, yet you guys always trundle out the Gore retorts as if it supposed to prove something. I guess when you're so bereft of an argument you really need to resort to whatever you can to make it feel like your putting runs on the board.

your credibility just drove off a cliff. Gore predicted 100M rises in sea levels among dozens of other things that even scientests (and the UK courts) have said are nonsense.

that is where your credibility evaporates. you believe ANYONE who agrees with ACC. even gor - the only person in the world to make people feel grateful Bush stole the election.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 4:27pm:

your credibility just drove off a cliff. Gore predicted 100M rises in sea levels among dozens of other things that even scientests (and the UK courts) have said are nonsense. that is where your credibility evaporates. you believe ANYONE who agrees with ACC. even gor - the only person in the world to make people feel grateful Bush stole the election.

Gore said that IF THE WORLD'S ICE CAPS ENTIRELY MELTED then it could raise sea levels by 200 ft. That is factually correct. Sure, he could have done a better job at informing his audience that such an event wouldn't happen for a thousand years  even in the worst case scenario, but it was still a statement of fact. Gore made some minor errors, indulged in some sensationalism, but overall the presentation was an accurate depiction of where the science stands.

My thoughts on Gore can be summed up by this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2B34sO7HPM

astro_surf wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 24th, 2011 at 4:27pm: your credibility just drove off a cliff. Gore predicted 100M rises in sea levels among dozens of other things that even scientests (and the UK courts) have said are nonsense. that is where your credibility evaporates. you believe ANYONE who agrees with ACC. even gor - the only person in the world to make people feel grateful Bush stole the election. Gore said that IF THE WORLD'S ICE CAPS ENTIRELY MELTED then it could raise sea levels by 200 ft. That is factually correct. Sure, he could have done a better job at informing his audience that such an event wouldn't happen for a thousand years  even in the worst case scenario, but it was still a statement of fact. Gore made some minor errors, indulged in some sensationalism, but overall the presentation was an accurate depiction of where the science stands. My thoughts on Gore can be summed up by this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2B34sO7HPM

even the worlds major climate hysterics dont want to stand next to Gore. His is thoroughly discredited and An Inconvenient Truth is am embarrasment of erroes lies and worst-case scenarios.

people have been predicting the end of the world to frighten people into slavery and parting with their money and the climatology cult is no different just a bunch of crazies holding placards saying the end is nigh.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 6:28pm:

even the worlds major climate hysterics dont want to stand next to Gore. His is thoroughly discredited and An Inconvenient Truth is am embarrasment of erroes lies and worst-case scenarios.

You're the one being hysterical. Gore's movie was well received by the eperts. A couple of opinions on Gore's movie from actual climate scientists:

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2006/05/al-gores-movie/

http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2007/10/convenient-untruths/

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Huh.. the threads got to sea levels.. :-?

Oh, well. While we is on the subject...

Via Coastal Research Journal

"...Our analyses do not indicate acceleration in sea level in U.S. tide gauge records during the 20th century. Instead, for each time period we consider, the records show small decelerations that are consistent with a number of earlier studies of worldwide-gauge records. The decelerations that we obtain are opposite in sign and one to two orders of magnitude less than the +0.07 to +0.28 mm/y2 accelerations that are required to reach sea levels predicted for 2100 by Vermeer and Rahmsdorf (2009), Jevrejeva, Moore, and Grinsted (2010), and Grinsted, Moore, and Jevrejeva (2010). Bindoff et al. (2007) note an increase in worldwide temperature from 1906 to 2005 of 0.74°C. It is essential that investigations continue to address why this worldwide-temperature increase has not produced acceleration of global sea level over the past 100 years, and indeed why global sea level has possibly decelerated for at least the last 80 years."


http://www.jcronline.org/doi/full/10.2112/JCOASTRES-D-10-00157.1






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So much for "Realclimate.org"....


"It's almost a left wing harmonic convergence on global warming fraud. Chris Horner writing for Big Government reveals that the principle warmist blogsite, Real Climate, is a Fenton operation. Fenton Communications is the left wing PR operation that promoted the Alar scare and other bogus health scares,  and are the poeple who created the infamous "General Betray Us" ad attacking Gneeral Petraeus. Horner writes:


It turns out that Realclimate.org is owned by an outfit that is in essence a non-profit public relations firm called Environmental Media Services (EMS), "dedicated to expanding media coverage of critical environmental and public health issues", whose Pittsburgh office houses the RealClimate server. ActivistCash.com describes EMS as "the communications arm of leftist public relations firm Fenton Communications."

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/the_warmist_pr_con_job.html

could you explain how that, if true, would discredit the information on that particular website to the extent that one would declare that, gizmo?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 9:22am:

So much for "Realclimate.org"....

Well, that's one way of avoiding any arguments of substance, I guess, too bad bad you've been had once again:


Quote:

Disclaimer The contributors to this site do so in a personal capacity during their spare time and their posts do not represent the views of the organizations for which they work, nor the agencies which fund them. The contributors are solely responsible for the content of the site and receive no remuneration for their contributions. RealClimate is not affiliated with any environmental organisations. Although our domain is hosted by Science Communications Network (and previously Environmental Media Services), and our initial press release was organised for us by Fenton Communications, neither organization was in any way involved in the initial planning for RealClimate, and have never had any editorial or other control over content. Neither Fenton nor SCN nor EMS has ever paid any contributor to RealClimate.org any money for any purpose at any time. Neither do they pay us expenses, buy our lunch or contract us to do research. This information has always been made clear to anyone who asked.

do you live on this forum astro surf?

Flying Binghi wrote on Jun 24^th, 2011 at 9:18pm:

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What's that saying about lies, damned lies and statistics?

http://www.skepticalscience.com/Has-sea-level-rise-accelerated-since-1880.html


Quote:

A paper by Houston & Dean studies 57 tide gauge records from the U.S. (including Hawaii and oceanic territories) and concludes that sea level rise has not accelerated. In fact the authors seem to go out of their way to state that the average result shows deceleration at every opportunity. But there are some big questions about their analysis. Why do they use tide gauge records from just U.S. stations? Why not a global sample? Why use individual tide gauge records when we have perfectly good combinations, from much larger samples, which give a global picture of sea level change and show vastly less noise? Why do they restrict their analysis to either the time span of the individual tide gauge records, or to the period from 1930 to 2009? Why do they repeatedly drone on about “deceleration” when the average of the acceleration rates they measure, even for their extremely limited and restricted sample, isn’t statistically significant? But the biggest question of all is: what’s the big deal? (...) And now to the really important part, which is not the math but the physics. Whether sea level showed 20th-century acceleration or not, it’s the century coming up which is of concern. And during this century, we expect acceleration of sea level rise because of physics. Not only will there likely be nonlinear response to thermal expansion of the oceans, when the ice sheets become major contributors to sea level rise, they will dominate the equation. Their impact could be tremendous, it could be sudden, and it could be horrible. The relatively modest acceleration in sea level so far is not a cause for great concern, but neither is it cause for comfort. The fact is that statistics simply doesn’t enable us to foresee the future beyond a very brief window of time.  Even given the observed acceleration, the forecasts we should attend to are not from statistics but from physics.

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Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 9:45am:

do you live on this forum astro surf?

It's the weekend, it's cold, I'm single; so, no, I don't have anything better to do with my time atm ;D

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 9:39am:

could you explain how that, if true, would discredit the information on that particular website to the extent that one would declare that, gizmo?

The idea is fairly straight forward Cliff..Fenton Communications is a PR firm that specialises in environmental causes and owns EMS (Evironmental Media Services), so it's in effect a lobby group...the RealClimate site was set up to post pro AGW information...

Like the groups that are accused of being in the pay of "Big Oil' and "Big Tobacco"....Groups like the Lavoisier Group and the Science and Public Policy Institute are two that are most commonly mentioned....

It's exceptionally naive to think that only one side of a debate or political battle uses special interest lobby groups....don't you think??

And since it will almost certainly be mentioned...
During the tobacco hearings and court caes, there were just as many (if not more) anti-tobacco lobbyists as there were pro-tobacco ones..

To sway the people, you have to reach them..

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jun 25^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

Cliff Richard wrote on Jun 25th, 2011 at 9:39am: could you explain how that, if true, would discredit the information on that particular website to the extent that one would declare that, gizmo? The idea is fairly straight forward Cliff..Fenton Communications is a PR firm that specialises in environmental causes and owns EMS (Evironmental Media Services), so it's in effect a lobby group...the RealClimate site was set up to post pro AGW information... Like the groups that are accused of being in the pay of "Big Oil' and "Big Tobacco"....Groups like the Lavoisier Group and the Science and Public Policy Institute are two that are most commonly mentioned.... It's exceptionally naive to think that only one side of a debate or political battle uses special interest lobby groups....don't you think?? And since it will almost certainly be mentioned... During the tobacco hearings and court caes, there were just as many (if not more) anti-tobacco lobbyists as there were pro-tobacco ones.. To sway the people, you have to reach them..

They us their domain. That's all. Did you not read the disclaimer from their website?