Does Islam promote necrophilia?

And if so, do what implications does it have for nthe limit on the number of wives you may have?


Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4^th, 2011 at 3:19pm:

The Quran tells you 91 times to follow the example that Mohammad set. Mohammad had sex with his wife fatima when she was dead to ensure she went to paradise. If Mohammad did it that makes it OK for muslims to do it! Here is Fatwa reminding muslims that necrophilia is an acceptable practice in Islam. http://my.telegraph.co.uk/markulyseas/markulyseas/1311/fatwa-necrophilia-is-an-acceptable-practice-in-islam I found a video of this imam necrophilia is halal- www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZngkAhCNM

Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 1:07am:

http://my.telegraph.co.uk/markulyseas/markulyseas/1311/fatwa-necrophilia-is-an-acceptable-practice-in-islam Fatwa: Necrophilia Is An Acceptable Practice In Islam Report Washington / Morocco Board News--An Imam in Morocco issued a fatwa stating that necrophilia is “Halal” or religiously acceptable practice in Islam. He said that a husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife. The Imam, whose name is Zamzami Abdelbari, said that marriage remains valid even after death, which does not cancel the marriage link. He took as evidence a Koranic verse which says that Muslims believers will go to Paradise with their wives… Sheikh Zamzami said that the husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife. He added that the husband may wash the body of his dead wife and have sex with her.

Yes, my frien. We should make sexxy with the lady to help her go to paradise, insh'allah. Woman is unclean. Only some can enter paradise if this is will of God.

There are many virgins in paradise, my friend.

Does a Muslim woman who dies regain her virginity in paradise? What are the implications of necrophilia for this?

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 7:13pm:

Does a Muslim woman who dies regain her virginity in paradise? What are the implications of necrophilia for this?

A quick look at google should answer your question, and if you'd bothered you'd see that how the majority of muslims have reacted to this nonsence.

But no, once again, you choose to take the word of one nutter, over the majority of the 1.2 billion muslims world wide. Besides, if you'd read the article, you'd know that this is the opinion of one guy, and their is nothing in the Quran or hadith to support his POV.

Really FD, when you ask this nonsence, you do nothing less then remind us of why we no  longer take you seriously.

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 7:13pm:

Does a Muslim woman who dies regain her virginity in paradise? What are the implications of necrophilia for this?

This depends on the man, insh'allah. If morally uncorrupted man she can restore. If man have thought of Satan, devils, pigs, unclean things like this, she will go to hell.

Also, she cannot have menses between this time. If she die before her cycle, this is better for her.

Woman should think of God, look after family, think nice thoughts and maybe she can care for family in paradise. If she is vargin, she can pleasure man. Virgin Maary is good example. She had the baby Jesus but kept her virgin. In paradise, Maary can pleasure Joseph and care for Jesus also.

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But no, once again, you choose to take the word of one nutter

No Les. I chose to ask you and Abu your opinion.


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Besides, if you'd read the article, you'd know that this is the opinion of one guy, and their is nothing in the Quran or hadith to support his POV.

So Muhammed did not have sex with a dead woman?

You are stirring the pot FD

The Qu'ran was written during a period where they freely humped camels - still do I am told

In the 21st century how much of the writing is still relevant?

Maqqa wrote on Jul 10^th, 2011 at 12:24am:

You are stirring the pot FD The Qu'ran was written during a period where they freely humped camels - still do I am told In the 21st century how much of the writing is still relevant?

How relevant is the Koran today ???


Maqqa,

You clearly have little understanding of the 'regard' which all devout moslems have for the Koran.

Moslems regard the Koran as absolutely inerrant.

And moslems believe that every single word in the Koran was given by their God, Allah.


Moslem mobs will commonly murder people who have merely been accused of disrespecting the Koran.

In many moslem majority countries, moslems will commonly murder non-moslems who been [even falsely] rumoured to of disrespected a copy of the Koran.


Google;
relevance of quran today to muslims

Google;
murder over rumor of 'insult' to quran



It seems to me that the Koran still has 'relevance' today, for all moslems.

Lestat wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

freediver wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 7:13pm: Does a Muslim woman who dies regain her virginity in paradise? What are the implications of necrophilia for this? A quick look at google should answer your question, and if you'd bothered you'd see that how the majority of muslims have reacted to this nonsence. But no, once again, you choose to take the word of one nutter, over the majority of the 1.2 billion muslims world wide. Besides, if you'd read the article, you'd know that this is the opinion of one guy, and their is nothing in the Quran or hadith to support his POV. Really FD, when you ask this nonsence, you do nothing less then remind us of why we no  longer take you seriously.

The internet does not tell me what 1.2 billion Muslims think. They seem strangely silent on the issue. Abdelbari Zemzami for example is a respected scholar and member of the religious establishment.

Is it true that muhammed had sex with dead women?

Annie can you clarify this please?

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Mohammad had sex with his wife fatima when she was dead to ensure she went to paradise.

Well, for a start Fatima wasn't Muhammad's wife.


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Is it true that muhammed had sex with dead women? Annie can you clarify this please?

Muhammad didn't have sex with a dead body. Necrophilia is haram in Islam.

Are you taking this seriously?

I'm taking it seriously enough to ask for clarification.

Any idea what the guy who issued the fatwa is confused about?

fd, the only confused one is you.

Everything you've stated so far in this thread is just a jumble of nonsense.

You are right Abu, I am a bit confused about this.

Are you saying that the guy who issued the necrophilia fatwa is not confused?

What I'm saying is you're a tool.

The video is a hoax. Made by someone with too much time on their hands. anyone with half a brain would realise it was a joke. The translation is obviously just made up, and even the corny marquee style of it has to be a "dead" giveaway (no pun intended).

Look at the comments just to get an idea:

"this is just a joke made by someone who cant do anything else with his time"

"This video is f***ing fake, he told clearly that s**t is bad and nasty, who the moron who subtitled this vid?"

I am astounded time and again fd, at just how willing you are to suspend basic good judgement, when you think you're "on a winner" with an attack on Islam.

So you think Zamzami Abdelbari did not actually issue a fatwa condoning necrophilia?

Lestat wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 9:53am:

A quick look at google should answer your question, and if you'd bothered you'd see that how the majority of muslims have reacted to this nonsence.

Assalaamu alaykum brothers and sisters. When seeking a dollop of common sense it's best not to seek the views of a muslim. I am a New Age Muslim and I know how strange our alleged religion is.

Subhâna-Llâh.

"An Imam in Morocco issued a fatwa stating that necrophilia is “Halal” or religiously acceptable practice in Islam. He said that a husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife."


Is this guy the full quid, or was he a recent inmate of an asylum?

He is a respected Islamic scholar - an 'Alem' - and can claim his rulings to be laws for the Muslim community. It is my understanding that he was actually appointed to the role of issuing fatwas on unusual topics and is considered to be an expert. If Abu could get past his burning desire to insult everyone, inlcuding Muslim scholars, he might realise there is a bit more to this.

For example, this is a response from the online Islamic community that Abu directed me to - the highest google response that went into more detail:

http://www.moroccoboard.com/viewpoint/124-zouhair-baghough-/5239-freak-show-necrophilia-is-now-halal-in-morocco


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Zemzami is empowered to produce Islamic rulings that can easily be considered an obligation on the Muslim community in Morocco; As a Alem, an Islamic Scholar, his Fatwas are norms. He can claim to actually dictate what we, as members of the Ummah, should do or not do.

Perhaps then the police should be keeping closer watch on the morgues just in case.
Can't be too careful.

freediver wrote on Jul 7^th, 2011 at 6:49pm:

Does Islam promote necrophilia? And if so, do what implications does it have for nthe limit on the number of wives you may have? Baronvonrort wrote on Jul 4th, 2011 at 3:19pm: The Quran tells you 91 times to follow the example that Mohammad set. Mohammad had sex with his wife fatima when she was dead to ensure she went to paradise. If Mohammad did it that makes it OK for muslims to do it! Here is Fatwa reminding muslims that necrophilia is an acceptable practice in Islam. http://my.telegraph.co.uk/markulyseas/markulyseas/1311/fatwa-necrophilia-is-an-acceptable-practice-in-islam I found a video of this imam necrophilia is halal- www.youtube.com/watch?v=taZngkAhCNM Lisa Jones wrote on Jul 7th, 2011 at 1:07am: http://my.telegraph.co.uk/markulyseas/markulyseas/1311/fatwa-necrophilia-is-an-acceptable-practice-in-islam Fatwa: Necrophilia Is An Acceptable Practice In Islam Report Washington / Morocco Board News--An Imam in Morocco issued a fatwa stating that necrophilia is “Halal” or religiously acceptable practice in Islam. He said that a husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife. The Imam, whose name is Zamzami Abdelbari, said that marriage remains valid even after death, which does not cancel the marriage link. He took as evidence a Koranic verse which says that Muslims believers will go to Paradise with their wives… Sheikh Zamzami said that the husband has the right to have sex with his dead wife. He added that the husband may wash the body of his dead wife and have sex with her.

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Egypt's women urge MP's not to pass early marriage, sex after death laws Egypt's National Council for Women has appealed to the Islamist dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within 6 hours of her death Source-http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html

Who would have thought the Arab spring would have made necrophilia a legitimate practice in Egypt in 2012?

Perhaps this is another example of the superior morality in Islam.

freediver wrote on Jul 9^th, 2011 at 9:07am:

Quote: But no, once again, you choose to take the word of one nutter No Les. I chose to ask you and Abu your opinion.

That's two nutters, then. How many Islamist nutters does it take to ... oh, never mind!

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

[quote]Egypt's women urge MP's not to pass early marriage, sex after death laws Egypt's National Council for Women has appealed to the Islamist dominated parliament not to approve two controversial laws on the minimum age of marriage and allowing a husband to have sex with his dead wife within 6 hours of her death Source-http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/04/25/210198.html

Al Arabiya, eh? The well-known Zionist news agency. I thought so.

Al-Arabiyyah is the propganda wing of the pro-US Saudi dictatorship.

It is odd that no Egyptian newspaper has reported such a strange story.

falah wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 7:18pm:

Al-Arabiyyah is the propganda wing of the pro-US Saudi dictatorship. It is odd that no Egyptian newspaper has reported such a strange story.

I see. The Kingdom of SA is now a Zionist subsidiary. That's why you can enter it if you a Jew. Makes sense - if you are an  Islamist nutter.

In any case, it sounds all so plausible that when the 'Arab Spring' chappies (ie jihadi nutters, aka Muslim Brotherhood) have a dominant position in a country, this kind of debate is on the agenda. Considering the outlandish nonsense that Islam imposes on its followers, this is entirely plausible. People ask themselves - 'could they be really this crazy?" - and answer, 'Well, probably. Nothing can be ruled out with these sort of people'.

So, even if it is all made-up satire, it hits the mark exactly.

Soren wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

falah wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 7:18pm: Al-Arabiyyah is the propganda wing of the pro-US Saudi dictatorship. It is odd that no Egyptian newspaper has reported such a strange story. I see. The Kingdom of SA is now a Zionist subsidiary. That's why you can enter it if you a Jew. Makes sense - if you are an  Islamist nutter.

Of course Jews enter Saudi Arabia. It is only nutters like you that make up rumours about Jews not being allowed there.

Even this Jewish Israeli newspaper admits that it is only a rumour.

Saudi Arabia denies discriminating against Jewish passengers

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/saudi-arabia-denies-discriminating-against-jewish-passengers-1.369733



Jewish Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright in Saudi Arabia:

http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2000/0012/saudi1204.jpg

Arab countrys discriminate to Israeli passport holders.

falah wrote on Apr 26^th, 2012 at 9:09pm:

Jewish Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright in Saudi Arabia: http://img.timeinc.net/time/daily/2000/0012/saudi1204.jpg

Look at the hussy!! All that HAIR!!

Phwoar!!

I find it most apt that this subject has been dug up again.

Abu and Falah, is the 6 hour time limit for necrophilia a reasonable interpretation of Islamic law, or is it too restrictive?

It says a lot about you Freediverthat you believed that this story was true.



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Egypt 'necrophilia law'? Hooey, utter hooey. 'Necrophilia law'? Don't believe everything you read on the Internet, kids. At least until there's like, you know, some proof. Today, Egypt's state-owned Al Ahram newspaper published an opinion piece by Amr Abdul Samea, a past stalwart supporter of the deposed Hosni Mubarak, that contained a bombshell: Egypt's parliament is considering passing a law that would allow husbands to have sex with their wives after death. It was soon mentioned in an English language version of Al-Arabiya and immediately started zipping around social-networking sites. By this afternoon it had set news sites and the rest of the Internet on fire. It has every thing: The yuck factor, "those creepy Muslims" factor, the lulz factor for those with a sick sense of humor. The non-fact-checked Daily Mail picked it up and reported it as fact. Then Andrew Sullivan, who has a highly influential blog but is frequently lax about fact-checking, gave it a boost with an uncritical take. The Huffington Post went there, too. There's of course one problem: The chances of any such piece of legislation being considered by the Egyptian parliament for a vote is zero. And the chance of it ever passing is less than that. In fact, color me highly skeptical that anyone is even trying to advance a piece of legislation like this through Egypt's parliament. I'm willing to be proven wrong. It's possible that there's one or two lawmakers completely out of step with the rest of parliament. Maybe. But extreme, not to mention inflammatory claims, need at minimum some evidence (and I've read my share of utter nonsense in Al Ahram over the years). The evidence right now? Zero. There was a Moroccan cleric a few years back who apparently did issue a religious ruling saying that husbands remained married to their wives in the first six hours after death and, so, well, you know. But that guy is far, far out on the nutty fringe. How fringe? He also ruled that pregnant women can drink alcohol. Remember, alcohol is considered haram, forbidden, by the vast majority of the world's Muslim scholars. Putting an unborn child at risk to get drunk? No, that's just not what they do. Whatever the mainstream's unpalatable beliefs (there are plenty from my perspective) this isn't one of them. It's important to remember that the structure of the Muslim clergy is, by and large, like that of a number of Protestant Christian sects. Anyone can put out a shingle and declare themselves a preacher. The ones to pay attention to are the ones with large followings, or attachment to major institutions of Islamic learning. The preacher in Morocco is like the preacher in Florida who spent so much time and energy publicizing the burning of Qurans. Stories like this are a reminder of the downside of the Internet. It makes fact-checking and monitoring easier. But the proliferation of aggregation sites, newsy blog sites, and the general erosion of editorial standards (and on-the-ground reporters to do the heavy lifting) also spreads silliness faster than it ever could before. http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Backchannels/2012/0426/Egypt-necrophilia-law-Hooey-utter-hooey

Falah, is it true that Islam permits necrophilia?

Freediver, your hatred of Islam is evident in your pushing of false stories, lies, and non-issues, to the point that I am sure that if there were any shred of real evidence that Islam promoted this you would have brought such evidence to our attention.

What about the fact that Muhammed slept with his dead wife. Does that count?

Freediver, aren't you concerned that your credibility factor is about zero now?

Next you will probably tell us Iraq has got weapons of mass destruction.

Is this like when you accused me of lying about Islam legalising marital rape, and it turned out to be true?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335528293/24#24

You could always just try being honest about Islam. Surely that would be simpler.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2012 at 9:35pm:

Is this like when you accused me of lying about Islam legalising marital rape, and it turned out to be true? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1335528293/24#24 You could always just try being honest about Islam. Surely that would be simpler.

Freediver how does Islam legalise marital rape when the Quran orders Muslims to treat women with kindness?





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O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will, and you should not treat them with harshness...And live with them with kindness! [Noble Quran, An-Nisaa', v. 19]

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And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment. [Noble Quran, Aali Imraan, v. 152]

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And whosoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, and transgresses His limits, He will cast him into the Fire, to abide therein; and he shall have a disgraceful torment. [Noble Quran, An-Nisaa', v. 14]

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Freediver how does Islam legalise marital rape when the Quran orders Muslims to treat women with kindness?

You tell me Falah.


falah wrote on Mar 4^th, 2012 at 12:16pm:

Forced sex in marriage is not a punishable offence in Islam.

freediver wrote on Jan 8^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

I'm taking it seriously enough to ask for clarification.

Dear one, you should ask the one Gud and He will answer every question you have -

Paedophilia, hommersex, women with menses, pigs, corpses, spirits and demons.

Maybe you should have just one thread for all these questions, my friend.

See how religion stuffs everything?