Some of what this guy was saying is disturbingly similar to the right-ards on this forum. Should the AFP be paying more attention to right wing extremism in this country?  >:(


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25 JULY 2011 Islamophobia manifested in Oslo Back in 2009, I wrote a piece for New Matilda on the rise of the Islamophobic right in Europe and the United States, in which I noted the mainstreaming of a violent, apocalyptic anti-Muslim discourse. The people writing the stuff – the bloggers, the pundits, the intellectuals – were not, I suggested, themselves necessarily given to violence. But, as I said, "you can't warn against looming race wars over the future of civilisation, and not expect the boots-and-braces crowd to launch a preemptive strike". It's increasingly clear that's what's happened in Oslo. In his lengthy manifesto, Anders Behring Breivik, spells out the justification for his attack on the Labour Party youth camp. In essence, he feared that Europe was becoming Islamified and he blamed the proponents of multiculturalism for allowing it to happen. In other words, he saw, explicitly, his crimes as political – as the opening shots in a broader war against Muslims and their allies. When the news of the massacre first broke, media outlets around the world reported that a terrorist atrocity was taking place. But that was because they assimilated the news to the familiar narrative of Al Qaeda, almost entirely on the basis of unsourced claims from a so-called 'terrorism expert' that a jihadi group had taken responsibility. Even today, many commentators are refusing to entirely abandon the Islamic angle story, suggesting, for instance, that Breivik represented "a mutation of Al Qaeda/Jihadist tactics". Other commentators, now that they know he's not a Muslim, have dismissed Breivik as a lunatic rather than a terrorist. Now, in some senses, anyone who would carry out such vile acts is, almost by definition, not right in the head. But have a look at Breivik's manifesto. It's hateful, yes, but it's perfectly coherent. The guy's not a professional writer and the translation is pretty rough but the text is certainly not the ravings of a schizophrenic. Indeed, what's most striking is how familiar much of it is. Huge swathes of the document are indistinguishable from what you'd find on any of the big 'counter jihadi' blogs of the Islamophobic right. Sergey Romanov, a blogger at Little Green Footballs (a site that has broken with the Islamophobic right precisely because of its increasingly violent rhetoric), has posted (scroll down) a word cloud based on Breivik's writings. The most-used terms are 'cultural', 'conservative' and 'multiculturalism'. Romanov describes how Breivik harbours "resentment against the mainstream media for pushing a culturally Marxist agenda and covering up Muslim wrong-doing and the negative effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism in Europe generally … he felt that the politically correct agenda was completely unchallenged by the mainstream press". These are standard talking points for anti-Islam conservatives. Romanov points to the following assessment from a blogger writing for the symptomatically-named Islam Versus Europe site: There is very little that [Breivik]said that I would disagree with. It is clear that he is a Counterjihadist and visits the same sites that most of us do, Gates of Vienna, Jihadwatch, Atlas Shrugs, etc. He is intelligent, thoughtful and well-read.  […] Breivik also follows political developments in Britain and reads the Telegraph and Daily Mail. The revelation of the Labour government's conspiracy to flood the country with immigrants to "rub the right's nose in diversity" was of great interest to him. I'm sure the bien-pensants in the British left will now want to reflect soberly on the folly of pushing people too far. Crucially, Breivik is not a traditional goose-stepping fascist. In fact, he explicitly condemns the crude biological racism of the old right, favouring instead groups like the English Defence League - organisations that claimed not to be racist, so much as concerned about defending European culture. As Matthew Goodwin notes in the Guardian, Breivik endorses the EDL's: ... rejection of traditional white supremacist discourse and racism, and their decision to oppose Islam on cultural grounds. This distinction between traditional race-based forms of rightwing extremism … and a new anti-Muslim narrative reflects a broader change within the European far right. Rather than oppose immigration and Islam on racial grounds (an argument that would attract little support), the emphasis shifts on to the more socially acceptable issue of culture: Muslims are not biologically inferior, but they are culturally incompatible, so the argument goes. The connection that Breivik drew between radical Islam and leftist supporters of multiculturalism is, again, a staple of the Islamophobic right. In his manifesto Breivik cited, some 46 times, the work of Robert Spencer, the co-founder of Stop Islamization of America, and a prolific Islamophobic author. As Loonwatch points out, Spencer's site "Jihad Watch is filled with posts denouncing the 'Leftist/Jihadist alliance', warning his readers of how the left will happily allow the Muslim hordes to overthrow the West and 'dhimmify' its population".

Better hide under your bed then.....those nasty rightards are gonna get ya!!!! :D

Nice article Astro. I really think the media and the Western governments bear a lot of the responsibility for these kinds of acts, because they are the ones who incited such people, perhaps not realising how far they'd end up going. If you whip people into a frenzy and convince them their very survival depends upon you vanquishing a mortal enemy for them, some of them will obviously end up transgressing limits thinking they are acting on a real threat, even if the threat was merely concocted (or heavily exaggerated) to manage them.

astro_surf wrote on Jul 25^th, 2011 at 11:56pm:

Some of what this guy was saying is disturbingly similar to the right-ards on this forum. Should the AFP be paying more attention to right wing extremism in this country?  >:(

Impossible! You forget the wonderful Harmony Day (shyte, you're funding it so how could you forget it).


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Welcome to Harmony Day Harmony Day is held on 21 March. It's about community participation, inclusiveness and respect. Everyone belongs! Diversity and Social Cohesion Program The Diversity and Social Cohesion Program is an Australian Government initiative and is about dealing with cultural, racial and religious intolerance through the funding of community grants. http://www.harmony.gov.au/

With intelligent leadership here in Oz what could possibly go wrong.

Relax. Have some dip.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 6:27am:

Nice article Astro. I really think the media and the Western governments bear a lot of the responsibility for these kinds of acts, because they are the ones who incited such people, perhaps not realising how far they'd end up going. If you whip people into a frenzy and convince them their very survival depends upon you vanquishing a mortal enemy for them, some of them will obviously end up transgressing limits thinking they are acting on a real threat, even if the threat was merely concocted (or heavily exaggerated) to manage them.

A conveniently 1/ myopic and 2/ hypocritical and 3/ moslem view of reality, as per usual Abu.



What about the scare mongering [incitement against non-moslems] present within the Koran ???


"O ye who believe! Take not into your intimacy those outside your ranks: They will not fail to corrupt you. They only desire your ruin: Rank hatred has already appeared from their mouths: What their hearts conceal is far worse...."
Koran 3.118

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies. "
Koran 4.101


Isn't that hate mongering incitement within the Koran, against non-moslems, influencing the violent conduct of moslems ???


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more Abu,

"Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1229682951/0#0

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Dear muslim, YOU are the kuffar, YOU are the unbeliever. You who embrace ISLAM, your own lies and deception, have become a witness against you, before God. You muslims insist that ONLY muslims are the 'properly guided'. Is he who is on a path of lies and deception, 'properly guided'?? AN EXPLANATION OF THE WORD 'KUFFAR'... "kuffar" = = "...is an Arabic word meaning.....[an unbeliever] a person....who hides, denies, or covers the truth." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kuffar

Yadda, what is really scary to me, is that: people who think and act like you do are some of the worst and therefore most dangerous, albeit apparently unwitting, offenders!

:(

Equitist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 11:23am:

Yadda, what is really scary to me, is that: people who think and act like you do are some of the worst and therefore most dangerous, albeit apparently unwitting, offenders! :(

Someone [like myself] who criticises ISLAM's agenda, and ISLAM's modus operandi [of violence against non-moslems] is a 'whacko' ?



But ISLAM is innocent.

The moslems who murder people, in mosque bombings and market bombings, in shootings, and who cut peoples heads off, THOSE MOSLEMS, AND ISLAM, are innocent, and have nothing to answer for ???

Is that what you are saying, oh unequal one ???

ISLAM and moslems must never be criticised ???

Oh unequal one, YOU ARE A RAGING HYPOCRITE.



e.g.
"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD

Looks like this nutter took quite some inspiration from Australia's anti-Islamic leaders..

Truly worrying.

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John Howard, George Pell cited in Breivik diatribe

   Leo Shanahan
   From: The Australian
   July 26, 2011 12:00AM

THE gunman responsible for the Norway massacre described former Australian prime minister John Howard as "one of the most sensible leaders in the Western World" in his rambling 1500-page manifesto.

Anders Behring Breivik, who is believed to be responsible for the deaths of 93 people, also mentioned former treasurer Peter Costello, Catholic archbishop of Sydney Cardinal George Pell and conservative historian Keith Windschuttle in his manifesto released before he embarked upon his violent rampage.

The 32-year-old described Mr Howard as "one of the most sensible leaders in the Western world" and commended the former government on its border protection policy and being "resistant to Political Correctness".

"Luckily, not all Christian leaders are appeasers of Islam. One of the intelligent ones comes from Australia, a country that has been fairly resistant to Political Correctness .

"They have taken serious steps towards actually enforcing their own borders, despite the predictable outcries from various NGOs and anti-racists, and Prime Minister John Howard has repeatedly proven to be one of the most sensible leaders in the Western world," he wrote.

Breivik went on to mention Mr Costello's calls for Muslim leaders to stand up against terrorism, and the "outrage" Mr Howard caused by asking Muslims to speak English and show respect for women.

"Federal Treasurer Peter Costello said Australian Muslim leaders need to stand up and publicly denounce terrorism in all its forms. Mr Costello has also backed calls by Prime Minister John Howard for Islamic migrants to adopt Australian values. Mr Howard caused outrage in Australia's Islamic community when he said Muslims needed to speak English and show respect to women," he wrote.

Writing under the pseudonym Andrew Berwick and describing himself as "Justiciar Knight Commander for Knights Templar Europe and one of several leaders of the National and pan-European Patriotic Resistance Movement", he also cited comments from Sydney Catholic archbishop George Cardinal Pell in the wake of the 2001 September 11 attacks.

"George Cardinal Pell, archbishop of Sydney, tells of how September 11 was a wake-up call for him personally," he wrote, before quoting the archbishop.

Breivik also quoted conservative historian Keith Windschuttle's comments on anti-Western sentiment in left-wing academia. "Australian writer Keith Windschuttle, a former Marxist, is tired of that anti-Western slant that permeates academia," he said. He then cited Windschuttle's writing.

Source: The Australian

And now this... Sadly the scaremongering and hatred inciting ways of our media and leadership may end up haunting us in the most horrific of ways...

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Police raid suspected bomb-maker's home
Yahoo!7 July 26, 2011, 6:06 pm

A police squad is set to detonate a bomb inside the home of a man who was stockpiling explosive devices in Melbourne's North.

The bomb was discovered after heavily-armed police swooped on a Castlemaine home at about 11am.

The street was in lock down and homes evacuated today.

A 32-year-old man is in custody and being questioned by police.

Detectives will not say what the man's intentions were, but Senior Sergeant Jeff Maher says a substantial amount of chemicals and equipment were found at the house.

"There was a substantial risk that we have alleviated," he said.

"Our specialists are in there at the moment and they're just giving us updates as they're going through the premises," he said.

Police arrest a man accused of stockpiling bomb-making equipment.

Source: Yahoo Seven

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Equitist wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 12:12am:

As for specific Australian references in the Manifesto, the link below indicates that the Norway nutjob deferred to none other than John Winston Howard and Cardinal George Pell...amongst others! http://left-flank.blogspot.com/ Quote: Monday, July 25, 2011 Australia’s Islamophobes & right-wing ideologues praised in Breivik’s manifesto [...] From p. 680: Luckily, not all Christian leaders are appeasers of Islam. One of the intelligent ones comes from Australia, a country that has been fairly resistant to Political Correctness. They have taken serious steps towards actually enforcing their own borders, despite the predictable outcries from various NGOs and anti-racists, and Prime Minister John Howard has repeatedly proven to be one of the most sensible leaders in the Western world. George Cardinal Pell, Archbishop of Sydney, tells of how September 11 was a wakeup call for him personally: “I recognised that I had to know more about Islam.” “In my own reading of the Koran, I began to note down invocations to violence. There are so many of them, however, that I abandoned this exercise after 50 or 60 or 70 pages.” “The predominant grammatical form in which jihad is used in the Koran carries the sense of fighting or waging war.” “Considered strictly on its own terms, Islam is not a tolerant religion and its capacity for fear-reaching renovation is severely limited.” “I’d also say that Islam is a much more war-like culture than Christianity.” “I’ve had it asserted to me is that in the relationship between the Islamic and non-Islamic world, the normal thing is a situation of tension if not war, or outright hostility.” There’s also kind words for Peter Costello telling Muslims to behave (p. 520), and a link to the Australian Protectionist Party (p. 1250).

Yadda wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 11:50am:

Equitist wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 11:23am: Yadda, what is really scary to me, is that: people who think and act like you do are some of the worst and therefore most dangerous, albeit apparently unwitting, offenders! :( Someone [like myself] who criticises ISLAM's agenda, and ISLAM's modus operandi [of violence against non-moslems] is a 'whacko' ? But ISLAM is innocent. The moslems who murder people, in mosque bombings and market bombings, in shootings, and who cut peoples heads off, THOSE MOSLEMS, AND ISLAM, are innocent, and have nothing to answer for ??? Is that what you are saying, oh unequal one ??? ISLAM and moslems must never be criticised ??? Oh unequal one, YOU ARE A RAGING HYPOCRITE. e.g. "....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD

FFS, Xtian Extremists preaching hate of Muslim Extremists are as dangerous as those they despise and seek to demonise - yet they are too blinded by their own hate to see the similarities!

Where are the moderate Xtians who ought to be denouncing Yadda's incessant hate posts!?

They're all too busy shivering in their boots over the perceived Islamic bogeyman.

Astro-surf, the leftards in the world commit far more acts of violence than the Right and Islam combined.

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 6:27am:

Nice article Astro. I really think the media and the Western governments bear a lot of the responsibility for these kinds of acts, because they are the ones who incited such people, perhaps not realising how far they'd end up going. If you whip people into a frenzy and convince them their very survival depends upon you vanquishing a mortal enemy for them, some of them will obviously end up transgressing limits thinking they are acting on a real threat, even if the threat was merely concocted (or heavily exaggerated) to manage them.

Abu, would you at the same time deny any responsibility on the part of Islamic ideology and those who preach it when Islamic extremists do similar things?

Which newspapers and politicians do you think bear a lot of responsibility for this?

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 26^th, 2011 at 6:27am:

Nice article Astro. I really think the media and the Western governments bear a lot of the responsibility for these kinds of acts, because they are the ones who incited such people, perhaps not realising how far they'd end up going. If you whip people into a frenzy and convince them their very survival depends upon you vanquishing a mortal enemy for them, some of them will obviously end up transgressing limits thinking they are acting on a real threat, even if the threat was merely concocted (or heavily exaggerated) to manage them.

One could easily think that you are talking about the many many islamic terrorists that commit atrocities around the globe rather than one lone nutbag in norway.

Maybe you should have stated several times in your post your were only talking about him and not the thousands of bat-sh1t crazy muslims who strap on the expanding vests every day at the behest of their imams.

Wow...a self confessed anti-islamic Norwegian kills 90 odd people, and you tossers still want to blame Islam for this.

So tell me Freediver, will you accept responsibility for this act of terrorism? Why aren't you disowning this terrorists evil idealism? Perhaps you can start with your own wiki....and your pathetic bigotry, which inspires hate and these acts of violence?

Or does a part of you actually support this murderers actions, and the silencing of any opinions which differ from your own.

Freedom of expression eh....

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 6:40am:

abu_rashid wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 6:27am: Nice article Astro. I really think the media and the Western governments bear a lot of the responsibility for these kinds of acts, because they are the ones who incited such people, perhaps not realising how far they'd end up going. If you whip people into a frenzy and convince them their very survival depends upon you vanquishing a mortal enemy for them, some of them will obviously end up transgressing limits thinking they are acting on a real threat, even if the threat was merely concocted (or heavily exaggerated) to manage them. One could easily think that you are talking about the many many islamic terrorists that commit atrocities around the globe rather than one lone nutbag in norway. Maybe you should have stated several times in your post your were only talking about him and not the thousands of bat-sh1t crazy muslims who strap on the expanding vests every day at the behest of their imams.

But he wasn't a nutbag was he. Actually he seems quite sane, and knew exactly what he was doing. In fact, he has articularly planned the terror act, and quite clearly, his opinions mirror many posters who frequent this site (including your good self)....so I'm curious as to know exactly what makes you think he's a nutter.

If he is a nutter, does this also make you a nutter? Given that you are so similar, on so many different levels?

Whats wrong BigOldDoofus....are you feeling uncomfortable that someone who has the exact same thoughts and beliefs as your 'good' self, a fellow Christian extremist who hates muslims, and opposes Islam in every way he can,  could perform such acts...against fellow westerners no less?

Yeah of course, its much easier to write him off as a nutter, instead of taking a look at your own hate filled ideas, idea's that you share with the terrorist.

Lestat wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:23am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 6:40am: abu_rashid wrote on Jul 26th, 2011 at 6:27am: Nice article Astro. I really think the media and the Western governments bear a lot of the responsibility for these kinds of acts, because they are the ones who incited such people, perhaps not realising how far they'd end up going. If you whip people into a frenzy and convince them their very survival depends upon you vanquishing a mortal enemy for them, some of them will obviously end up transgressing limits thinking they are acting on a real threat, even if the threat was merely concocted (or heavily exaggerated) to manage them. One could easily think that you are talking about the many many islamic terrorists that commit atrocities around the globe rather than one lone nutbag in norway. Maybe you should have stated several times in your post your were only talking about him and not the thousands of bat-sh1t crazy muslims who strap on the expanding vests every day at the behest of their imams. But he wasn't a nutbag was he. Actually he seems quite sane, and knew exactly what he was doing. In fact, he has articularly planned the terror act, and quite clearly, his opinions mirror many posters who frequent this site (including your good self)....so I'm curious as to know exactly what makes you think he's a nutter. If he is a nutter, does this also make you a nutter? Given that you are so similar, on so many different levels? Whats wrong BigOldDoofus....are you feeling uncomfortable that someone who has the exact same thoughts and beliefs as your 'good' self, a fellow Christian extremist who hates muslims, and opposes Islam in every way he can,  could perform such acts...against fellow westerners no less? Yeah of course, its much easier to write him off as a nutter, instead of taking a look at your own hate filled ideas, idea's that you share with the terrorist.

Didn't state that he was 'clinically insane' just a murdering nutbag pretty much like your 'gimme the vest Ill do it' jihad mates lestat.


Don't oppose islam, just don't trust people who believe in something that doesn't exist and are willing to kill everyone who disagrees

BTW not a christian.

But good to see you're in your usual fine form of being 100% incorrect on the facts.  ;D

Lestat wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:20am:

Wow...a self confessed anti-islamic Norwegian kills 90 odd people, and you tossers still want to blame Islam for this.

Anders Breivik is responsible for his own actions in the world.

As are moslems, responsible for their own actions in the world.



Anders Breivik revealed himself to be a murderous bigot, in exactly the same way as many good, devout moslems reveal themselves to be wanna-be murderous bigots.

Anders Breivik used the 'sanctity' of his hatred of ISLAM, to justify his murderous bigotry.

Whereas, good, devout moslems use the 'sanctity' of their 'religion', to defend and to justify their own murderous bigotry.

e.g.
THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/


The Norway killer, Anders Breivik, killed people, because those people didn't believe, what he believed.

And today, and everyday [within moslem jurisdictions and, within non-moslem jurisdictions], moslems also kill people.

And moslems justify killing others, because moslems perceive that those people [whom moslems kill] don't believe what they [i.e. what moslems] believe.



"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29



In his actions, Anders Breivik exposed himself, as being a murderous bigot.

And Anders Breivik revealed himself to be a murderous bigot, in exactly the same way as many good, devout moslems reveal themselves to be wanna-be murderous bigots.

The Norway killer, Anders Breivik, killed people, because those people didn't believe, what he believed.

So how does the way in which Anders Breivik acted, differ from the way in which moslems act in the world [whenever moslems have the opportunity] ???






Lestat wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:20am:

Wow...a self confessed anti-islamic Norwegian kills 90 odd people, and you tossers still want to blame Islam for this. So tell me Freediver, will you accept responsibility for this act of terrorism? Why aren't you disowning this terrorists evil idealism? Perhaps you can start with your own wiki....and your pathetic bigotry, which inspires hate and these acts of violence? Or does a part of you actually support this murderers actions, and the silencing of any opinions which differ from your own. Freedom of expression eh....

As per a typical good moslem.....

.....Portraying circumstances as being 180 degrees opposite to how they actually are.

Portraying ISLAMIC victimhood, and innocence.

Portraying all views which are non-ISLAMIC, as being the evil.




Lestat,

In what way is FD 'silencing of any opinions which differ from your own', when he is actually providing a forum where all may express their views ???

You are just a deceiver, a purveyor of falsehood.


It is only moslems who try to prevent their critics from speaking.

And it is moslems, who commonly, incite the murder of their [and ISLAM's] critics.





Lestat,

YOU ARE A TYPICAL GOOD MOSLEM, ....YOU ARE A RAGING HYPOCRITE.

And everyone with a skerrick of common sense in this forum can see that this is true.

Lestat wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 9:23am:

....so I'm curious as to know exactly what makes you think he [Anders Breivik] is a nutter.

Lestat is curious.

See my post, #18



The Norway killer, Anders Breivik, killed people, BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE DIDN'T BELIEVE, WHAT HE BELIEVED.

Psycho!



"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

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So tell me Freediver, will you accept responsibility for this act of terrorism?

Do you think I am in any way responsible? Or would I be, if I had a bigger audience? That is, do you think I should refrain from the wiki etc in order to prevent this from happening?


Quote:

so I'm curious as to know exactly what makes you think he's a nutter

Perhaps it has something to do with him murdering nearly a hundred people. To me, that is a bit of a giveaway. Plus, Norwegians are a bit strange to begin with.


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If he is a nutter, does this also make you a nutter? Given that you are so similar, on so many different levels?

Les, I heard that he eats the same breakfast cereal as you, so I hope you can understand my suspicions of you.

freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Do you think I am in any way responsible? Or would I be, if I had a bigger audience? That is, do you think I should refrain from the wiki etc in order to prevent this from happening?

Just using your own stupid logic on your good self FD. Though I should of known, that you'd be to thick headed to realise this.

No more or less responsible then the billions of muslims world wide, that you have no problems tarring with the same brush, whenever a muslim does something that you do not approve of.

Hypocrite much?


freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Perhaps it has something to do with him murdering nearly a hundred people. To me, that is a bit of a giveaway. Plus, Norwegians are a bit strange to begin with.

Yet if he was wearing a military uniform, and did the exact same thing in Afghanistan, Iraq or Palestine, you'd be viewing him as a hero.

Interesting......


freediver wrote on Aug 9^th, 2011 at 4:10pm:

Les, I heard that he eats the same breakfast cereal as you, so I hope you can understand my suspicions of you.

But you share the same idea's. The same goals. The same hatred, for the same people. The only difference between you and him, is that he has acted on his beliefs. Whereas you are nothing but a harmless coward. Your issue is not with his killing of innocent civilians...it is with 'who' he killed.

Its a little more then just 'sharing the same breakfast cereal'...don't you think?

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

Didn't state that he was 'clinically insane' just a murdering nutbag pretty much like your 'gimme the vest Ill do it' jihad mates lestat.

Murdering nutbag? Clinically insane? Resorting to semantics are we now...bigOldoofus?

Don't you mean 'Christian fundamentalist terrorist'. Cause after all, that is what he is.

Sad thing is, you now refer to this bloke as a murdering nutbag, yet ironically, if he was wearing a uniform and did this same act in lets say Gaza, or Afghanistan, you'd be viewing him as a hero.


BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

Don't oppose islam, just don't trust people who believe in something that doesn't exist and are willing to kill everyone who disagrees

lol...right. Only lieing to yourself....

So where is your opposition to Christians, who have been responsible for far more deaths any religon worldwide, throughout history.....and killing 'everyone who disagrees'.


BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

BTW not a christian.

Christian or athiest? Same thing really, just different sides of the same coin.



BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

But good to see you're in your usual fine form of being 100% incorrect on the facts.  ;D

what facts are these? That you and the terrorist Breivik share the same views and ideas?

I don't think so. Tell me, how do your views differ from his again. Show me how i'm incorrect.

Just saying it doesn't make it so.

Lestat wrote on Aug 10^th, 2011 at 10:01am:

BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 10:03am: Didn't state that he was 'clinically insane' just a murdering nutbag pretty much like your 'gimme the vest Ill do it' jihad mates lestat. Murdering nutbag? Clinically insane? Resorting to semantics are we now...bigOldoofus? Don't you mean 'Christian fundamentalist terrorist'. Cause after all, that is what he is. Sad thing is, you now refer to this bloke as a murdering nutbag, yet ironically, if he was wearing a uniform and did this same act in lets say Gaza, or Afghanistan, you'd be viewing him as a hero. BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 10:03am: Don't oppose islam, just don't trust people who believe in something that doesn't exist and are willing to kill everyone who disagrees lol...right. Only lieing to yourself.... So where is your opposition to Christians, who have been responsible for far more deaths any religon worldwide, throughout history.....and killing 'everyone who disagrees'. BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 10:03am: BTW not a christian. Christian or athiest? Same thing really, just different sides of the same coin. BigOl64 wrote on Aug 8th, 2011 at 10:03am: But good to see you're in your usual fine form of being 100% incorrect on the facts.  ;D what facts are these? That you and the terrorist Breivik share the same views and ideas? I don't think so. Tell me, how do your views differ from his again. Show me how i'm incorrect. Just saying it doesn't make it so.

You're the one argueing that I stated he was clinically insane, I just said he was a murdering nutbag, semantics; or you just being a dick? You seem to use lies and inuendo to support your feeb statements; do you have any credible evidence that I would view him as a hero due to a uniform change?

Fundy christians aren't the ones blowing up Australians in Bali and they have no specific or general animosity toward me, unlike you and your's.

Your christian / athiest statement is just fuken stupid; try christian muslim and jew all believe in the same delusion and athiests believe in nothing. Not even the same currency let alone the same coin.

You have no idea what my veiws are ya fukwit and I cannot tell you how my vews differ from his, because I don't care enough to find out what his specific veiws are.

I get that he is a fuken idiot racist so in that way he does line up nicely with your views on 'non' Australians, as you have stated many times.

So as a avid racist and a hateful mussie you are vastly more dangerous a person than anyone else on this board.

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No more or less responsible then the billions of muslims world wide, that you have no problems tarring with the same brush, whenever a muslim does something that you do not approve of.

Perhaps you should give an example. My criticism of Islam tends to be focussed on the ideology itself.


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Yet if he was wearing a military uniform, and did the exact same thing in Afghanistan, Iraq or Palestine, you'd be viewing him as a hero.

I suggest you stick to what I actually say rather than your imagination.


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But you share the same idea's. The same goals. The same hatred, for the same people.

I do not hate you Les. I say these things out of love.


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Its a little more then just 'sharing the same breakfast cereal'...don't you think?

Sure. This is why I asked you to be a bit more specific about my views, but you have shied away from this. Listing the criticisms of Islam that we may share seems to me only slightly less absurd than listing the tastes in food we have in common.

Just a little detail - Breivik isn't a fundamentalist christian.


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On page 1307 he writes: If you have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God then you are a religious Christian. Myself and many more like me do not necessarily have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ and God. We do however believe in Christianity as a cultural, social, identity and moral platform. This makes us Christian. Despite the “conclusion” presented, the above statement establishes that he’s not any sort of Christian. If one doesn’t have a “personal relationship” with Jesus or God, on what basis can one be a “Christian”? In any case he’s not a “fundamentalist” Christian.

Just the same as how he's not actually 'far-right' either, as he describes himself as 'anti-racist' and 'pro-gay'.  

But what does the truth matter when you've got an opportunity to smear whites, christians AND the right all in one!  The vast majority of people will just accept it regardless.