This is what the hard right are capable of.

The attack on the Pentagon.

The explosion of the buildings in time with the terrorist attack.

They new of the attack and so added to it cause this shift the world Hard Right.



So this 11th of September, consider the damage the Right has done. Consider what innocence they took.

Now those flirting with Hard Right Abbott, what danger is this man to the world?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hmjhoDTjNw

The world is now 'hard right'?  What planet are you on?

The right wing con of "Terrorism" has stripped humanity of Rights.

Remember the Australians in GITMO ?


This is a hard right world.


Time to counter this with a strengthening of community.

____ wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

The right wing con of "Terrorism" has stripped humanity of Rights. Remember the Australians in GITMO ? This is a hard right world. Time to counter this with a strengthening of community.

Couldn't agree more, invite the neighbours to a sausage sizzle in the park, (or even on the pavement).

yeah, but you'll have to invite some bogans.  

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:23pm:

yeah, but you'll have to invite some bogans.

It would be interesting to get to know you.

Hicks condemns 'disgusting' September 11 attacks



Former Guantanamo Bay detainee David Hicks has spoken for the first time about the September 11 attacks on the United States, saying they were a "disgusting act".

Mr Hicks watched the drama unfold live on a TV screen in Quetta in Pakistan and has told the ABC it was hard to imagine it was possible.

"The devastation and the people jumping from the building and when they collapsed and, just... it was horrible," he said.

Despite his expressed shock, Mr Hicks made a fateful decision to return to Afghanistan, which the US would soon target in reprisal for the September 11 attacks.

In a one-hour Australian Story special to be shown on ABC1 tomorrow night, Mr Hicks talks of his experiences in militant fundamentalist training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where he says he saw Osama bin Laden on numerous occasions.

Mr Hicks says he viewed bin Laden at the time as a "kind figure" and saw nothing to suggest he was a "terror mastermind".

He admits motivational videos showing terrorist attacks and Western aggression towards Muslims were shown to trainees in Afghanistan, but says they made no impression on him.

After his capture in Afghanistan in December 2001, Mr Hicks spent five years and four months in US military detention at Guantanamo Bay before being repatriated to Australia following a controversial plea deal, under which he admitted to a charge of supporting terrorism.

He has consistently denied he was aware of who ran the training camps he attended, despite the evidence of his own letters to his family in which he referred to being in "bin Laden's Arab organisation".

In the documentary, Australian Story producer Helen Grasswill puts it to Mr Hicks that those letters indicate he knew he was in camps of an organisation headed by bin Laden.

Hicks responds: "It can sound like that, sure. To take it like that out of the context of what it's placed in... bin Laden did come numerous times as a guest speaker. And he seemed to have some clout because there were many guest speakers and when he came things were conducted very differently in the camp."

It is a response that does not convince former foreign affairs minister Alexander Downer.

"Well of course [bin Laden] came to the camps to speak, he's the leader of Al Qaeda," Mr Downer told Australian Story.

"That's what leaders do - they make speeches, he razzes up the troops, denounces the West and denounces apostates. I'm sorry, that's not credible."

Torture claims

The documentary also explores Mr Hicks's controversial activities once he returned to Afghanistan from Pakistan after September 11, and his equally controversial treatment following his arrest three months later.

Mr Hicks claims to have been physically abused while in US military custody in Afghanistan and to have suffered physical and mental torture once he was moved to Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

His account is supported by international torture authority Professor Darius Rejali.

"Yes, I think David Hicks was tortured," Professor Rejali said.

"Once you have been subjected to torture you will never be normal, ever. There will always be long-standing psychological and physical effects from torture."

But Mr Downer remains sceptical about Mr Hicks's accounts.

"We asked the Americans to investigate and we sent our own consular officer there so he could see with his own eyes but we saw no evidence of him having been tortured," he said.

"But all people who've been associated with Al Qaeda, who get captured, always claim they have been tortured. They always do."

When asked about the validity of Mr Hicks's conviction under the US military commission, Mr Dower says: "This guy was convicted in a court duly established by the US Congress, signed off by the president of the United States, and he was convicted. On his own evidence. He confessed his guilt."

Colonel Morris 'Moe' Davis, the US chief prosecutor who successfully prosecuted Mr Hicks for the retrospective offence of providing material support for terrorism, sees it differently.

"We wouldn't agree to submit an American citizen to this process, so to try to argue with a straight face that that this is real American justice is a farce," he said.

http://abc.com.au/news/2011-08-29/david-hicks-september-11-australian-story/2860860

The left try to move the goal post closer and closer to the left, in order for the normal/centre to look more right and the extreme left to look less extreme.

It is well known and failing. That is the reason you are upset.

US did Howard a 'favour'

AS HE sought re-election in 2007, John Howard called in a political ''favour'' from the US government to get any charge possible laid against David Hicks, a former Guantanamo Bay chief military prosecutor has claimed.


http://www.smh.com.au/national/us-did-howard-a-favour-20110820-1j3k3.html

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:36pm:

The left try to move the goal post closer and closer to the left, in order for the normal/centre to look more right and the extreme left to look less extreme. It is well known and failing. That is the reason you are upset.

Yep.  In a world awash with political correctness, affirmative action, the elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status and the marginalisation of any conservative ideals, it's hard to keep a straight face when saying the world is 'hard right'.
For arguments sake, lets say that governments ARE trending to the right - could this perhaps be a reflex BY THE PEOPLE against the proliferation of numerous unelected, shamelessly left wing organisations, such as the UN and the liberal media?  

Murdoch is Liberal Media?


Liberal in the Hard Right Australian Liberal Party?

____ wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:46pm:

Murdoch is Liberal Media? Liberal in the Hard Right Australian Liberal Party?

Did I mention Murdoch?  Did I mention the Liberal party?

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:36pm: The left try to move the goal post closer and closer to the left, in order for the normal/centre to look more right and the extreme left to look less extreme. It is well known and failing. That is the reason you are upset. Yep.  In a world awash with political correctness, affirmative action, the elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status and the marginalisation of any conservative ideals, it's hard to keep a straight face when saying the world is 'hard right'. For arguments sake, lets say that governments ARE trending to the right - could this perhaps be a reflex BY THE PEOPLE against the proliferation of numerous unelected, shamelessly left wing organisations, such as the UN and the liberal media?

Without a doubt. People are sick of the left and their constant crying and political correctness in every aspect of life.

The left have had their 30 odd yrs of screwing society and it is about time some sanity was returned to society.

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:36pm: The left try to move the goal post closer and closer to the left, in order for the normal/centre to look more right and the extreme left to look less extreme. It is well known and failing. That is the reason you are upset. Yep.  In a world awash with political correctness, affirmative action, the elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status and the marginalisation of any conservative ideals, it's hard to keep a straight face when saying the world is 'hard right'.

Political correctness?
Affirmative action?
Elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status?
The marginalisation of conservative ideals?

I hope you haven't been idulging in Deep South, Bible-belt propaganda again, Wesley. Where exactly do they do all this?

when are moderators going to apply a crap filter to threads. this is een more absurd than the usual green-racist rubbish.

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:51pm:

... wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:42pm: progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:36pm: The left try to move the goal post closer and closer to the left, in order for the normal/centre to look more right and the extreme left to look less extreme. It is well known and failing. That is the reason you are upset. Yep.  In a world awash with political correctness, affirmative action, the elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status and the marginalisation of any conservative ideals, it's hard to keep a straight face when saying the world is 'hard right'. Political correctness? Affirmative action? Elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status? The marginalisation of conservative ideals? I hope you haven't been idulging in Deep South, Bible-belt propaganda again, Wesley. Where exactly do they do all this?

And then they play dumb.

You ARE playing aren't you?

Not at all. I'd love to know where we have affirmative action in this country. I could dress up as a wog and get a better job.

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

____ wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:46pm: Murdoch is Liberal Media? Liberal in the Hard Right Australian Liberal Party? Did I mention Murdoch?  Did I mention the Liberal party?

Media in Australia is close to being monopolised by Murdoch.

So Australians are not that exposed to world liberal media outside the public network and companies like fairfax.

the phrase 'Equal opportunity employer" in job ads is a not-so-secret code for 'white heterosexual males need not apply.'

Or the marginalisation of conservative ideals. Alan Jones is particularly marginalised in the breakfast slot. Too early for me.

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

Or the marginalisation of conservative ideals. Alan Jones is particularly marginalised in the breakfast slot. Too early for me.

Time to get a new 'schtick.' The playing dumb routine is getting boring.

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:57pm:

the phrase 'Equal opportunity employer" in job ads is a not-so-secret code for 'white heterosexual males need not apply.'

Have you seen the list of people who get a shot before a white heterosexual males.

The world has turned to shite because we dont have the best and brightest anywhere anymore. It is all victims in most positions.

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:57pm:

the phrase 'Equal opportunity employer" in job ads is a not-so-secret code for 'white heterosexual males need not apply.'

Sure, but this is only 1.7% of the population, isn't it?

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:00pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:58pm: Or the marginalisation of conservative ideals. Alan Jones is particularly marginalised in the breakfast slot. Too early for me. Time to get a new 'schtick.' The playing dumb routine is getting boring.

Yes, but it might help to become more equal opportunity, don't you think?

http://i54.tinypic.com/1y7h1s.jpg

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:00pm:

... wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:57pm: the phrase 'Equal opportunity employer" in job ads is a not-so-secret code for 'white heterosexual males need not apply.' Have you seen the list of people who get a shot before a white heterosexual males. The world has turned to shite because we dont have the best and brightest anywhere anymore. It is all victims in most positions.

You do realise that EEO is not affirmative action?
It is the hiring the "best and brightest".

If you failed to gain a position with an EEO employer then I'd suggest that you simply weren't up to scratch in comparison with the other applicants.

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:11pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 6:00pm: ... wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:57pm: the phrase 'Equal opportunity employer" in job ads is a not-so-secret code for 'white heterosexual males need not apply.' Have you seen the list of people who get a shot before a white heterosexual males. The world has turned to shite because we dont have the best and brightest anywhere anymore. It is all victims in most positions. You do realise that EEO is not affirmative action? It is the hiring the "best and brightest".If you failed to gain a position with an EEO employer then I'd suggest that you simply weren't up to scratch in comparison with the other applicants.

So why the need to state it?
Surely picking the best person for the job is implied.

Quote:

So why the need to state it? Surely picking the best person for the job is implied.

Why the need to state what?

An employer will state in a job advertisement that they are an EEO employer simply to increase the number of applicants.

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

Quote: Yep.  In a world awash with political correctness, affirmative action, the elevation of minorities and designated victims to hero status 'Political correctness' is a RW invention. A scornful phrase to scoff at what is only good manners. No reasonable person would want to tar a whole ethnic group because one of that ethnicity has broken the law. No reasonable person should have any objection to a lore that states that all other things being equal the black or female candidate should get the position. Because black and female HAVE been heavily discriminated against. Haven't they? 'designated victims to hero status' ? Like JFK you mean? [quote]and the marginalisation of any conservative ideals,

Listen I'm all for wearing a tie, sometimes. I have two tweed jackets and brogues. I don't think anybody should go out without enough money to buy me a drink and I hardly ever eat with my fingers.




Quote:

it's hard to keep a straight face

Isn't it just


Quote:

For arguments sake, lets say that governments ARE trending to the right - could this perhaps be a reflex BY THE PEOPLE against the proliferation of numerous unelected, shamelessly left wing organisations, such as the UN and the liberal media?

 

Yes let's 'for arguments sake' say that. Could it be that the RICH have so much accumulated that they need to buy really big toys, like telecom and the government?

Conservatives I have no problem with. It's RICH and fascist NeoCon Mo****f***ers I Have a problem with. Did you see what I did there? Pandering to your sensibilities that was ;D

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:34pm:

Quote: So why the need to state it? Surely picking the best person for the job is implied. Why the need to state what? An employer will state in a job advertisement that they are an EEO employer simply to increase the number of applicants.

SOME PEOPLE, CALLED LIBERAL VOTERS, ARE VICTIMS!!!

... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:13pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 6:11pm: progressiveslol wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 6:00pm: ... wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 5:57pm: the phrase 'Equal opportunity employer" in job ads is a not-so-secret code for 'white heterosexual males need not apply.' Have you seen the list of people who get a shot before a white heterosexual males. The world has turned to shite because we dont have the best and brightest anywhere anymore. It is all victims in most positions. You do realise that EEO is not affirmative action? It is the hiring the "best and brightest".If you failed to gain a position with an EEO employer then I'd suggest that you simply weren't up to scratch in comparison with the other applicants. So why the need to state it? Surely picking the best person for the job is implied.

Some jobs even require a knowledge of EEO policies. God knows why.

I hope you're not playing dumb, Wesley. Affirmative action is where a job is designed (or created) solely for a particular minority group. Equal Employment Opportunity is mandated by the EEO Office. Every job advertised comes under EEO.

Positions where EEO does not apply say something like "being female (or Aboriginal, or GLBT, or having a disability) is a genuine requirement for employment and is exempt by the Office of EEO". This means that the company has to apply for exhemption. You only get exempted if the job requires females or Aboriginals or GLBTs or wogs to do it. Speaking Greek is an example of an EEO exempt job. Being a female prison guard is another.

There are very few affirmative action jobs around these days. I challenge you to do a Google search and find one.

Affirmative action is more popular in the US, which is where your righteous indignation stems from.

karnals actually right

theres very little actual affirmative action in australia if any at all

if there is i cant find much evidence of it

Grey wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:35pm:

Conservatives I have no problem with.

It's the reactionaries I have a problem with. Especially people who don't even know what they're reacting against.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:38pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 6:34pm: Quote: So why the need to state it? Surely picking the best person for the job is implied. Why the need to state what? An employer will state in a job advertisement that they are an EEO employer simply to increase the number of applicants. SOME PEOPLE, CALLED LIBERAL VOTERS, ARE VICTIMS!!!

Elevation of the victim status of minorities?

Last week's carbon rally was pretty quiet. And if I'm not mistaken, Alan did appear to be a tad ruffled.

A victim of the Federal Police if I remember rightly. The worst thing ever to be done to democracy if I recall.

Alan Jones aint no victim: he's on a good wicket!  ;D

Tony Abbotts got nada and is shy of economics... he reckons it's all about NATIONAL SECURITY AS OF LATE... WHAT A JOKE THIS HAS BECOME!

WHERE IS THE JOURNALISM?????

WHY AREN'T THEY ASKING TONY ABBOTT IF HE CAN SAY DUTCH DISEASE?

WHY DOES TONY ABBOTT GET THE KID GLOVES APPROACH??

LOL, DEMOCRACY IS OWNED BY INTEREST GROUPS IT WOULD SEEM....  ::)

Karnal wrote on Aug 29^th, 2011 at 6:47pm:

Grey wrote on Aug 29th, 2011 at 6:35pm: Conservatives I have no problem with. It's the reactionaries I have a problem with. Especially people who don't even know what they're reacting against.

I have a massive problem with what you just said!

Youtube, this sounds reliable.

So how long has Greens been channeling It_is_the_light???

It is all the fault of the Jews and the Freemasons :o

Belgarion wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 12:04am:

It is all the fault of the Jews and the Freemasons :o

Or is it the Billderburg/illuminati/NeoCon liberal bastards?

Grey wrote on Aug 30^th, 2011 at 12:43am:

Belgarion wrote on Aug 30th, 2011 at 12:04am: It is all the fault of the Jews and the Freemasons :o Or is it the Billderburg/illuminati/NeoCon liberal bastards?

Thats what they want you to think  :o

9/11 was an inside job

these will be held accountable for their actions yes

it is so

and so it is

so be it

forgive them

namaste

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJsEGgc5L2c&feature=feedu

Larry Silverstein no response to WTC 7 lies

There are so many unanswered questions about the days 9/11, and instead of making up theories and speculating, we go to the horses mouth to get answers, sadly the response we get from these questions only invites more speculation about what happened on 9/11.

ask questions, demand answers, We Are Patriots, We Are Fearless because We Are Change

special special thanks to William Rodriguez http://www.william911.com/
and Eugene V for being there with me

Here's a bit more evidence that doesn't tie in with the George W Bush account of events.

How did they know there would be an event to document on 9/11?

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."

US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.




http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/fiveisraelis.html

Safari wouldn't open Pansi's link so will cut and paste it some.

A Mossad surveillance team made quite a public spectacle of themselves on 9-11.

The New York Times reported Thursday that a group of five men had set up video cameras aimed at the Twin Towers prior to the attack on Tuesday, and were seen congratulating one another afterwards. (1)
Police received several calls from angry New Jersey residents claiming "middle-eastern" men with a white van were videotaping the disaster with shouts of joy and mockery. (2)

"They were like happy, you know … They didn't look shocked to me" said a witness. (3)

[T]hey were seen by New Jersey residents on Sept. 11 making fun of the World Trade Center ruins and going to extreme lengths to photograph themselves in front of the wreckage. (4)
Witnesses saw them jumping for joy in Liberty State Park after the initial impact (5). Later on, other witnesses saw them celebrating on a roof in Weehawken, and still more witnesses later saw them celebrating with high fives in a Jersey City parking lot. (6)

"It looked like they're hooked in with this. It looked like they knew what was going to happen when they were at Liberty State Park." (7)
One anonymous phone call to the authorities actually led them to close down all of New York's bridges and tunnels. The mystery caller told the 9-1-1 dispatcher that a group of Palestinians were mixing a bomb inside of a white van headed for the Holland Tunnel. Here's the transcript from NBC News:

Dispatcher: Jersey City police.
Caller: Yes, we have a white van, 2 or 3 guys in there, they look like Palestinians and going around a building.
Caller: There's a minivan heading toward the Holland tunnel, I see the guy by Newark Airport mixing some junk and he has those sheikh uniform.
Dispatcher: He has what?
Caller: He's dressed like an Arab. (8)
(*Writer's note: Why would this mystery caller specifically say that these "Arabs" were Palestinians? How would he know that? Palestinians usually dress in western style clothes, not "sheikh uniforms")

Based on that phone call, police then issued a "Be-on-the-Lookout" alert for a white mini-van heading for the city's bridges and tunnels from New Jersey.

White, 2000 Chevrolet van with 'Urban Moving Systems' sign on back seen at Liberty State Park, Jersey City, NJ, at the time of first impact of jetliner into World Trade Center Three individuals with van were seen celebrating after initial impact and subsequent explosion. FBI Newark Field Office requests that, if the van is located, hold for prints and detain individuals. (9)
When a van fitting that exact description was stopped just before crossing into New York, the suspicious "middle-easterners" were apprehended. Imagine the surprise of the police officers when these terror suspects turned out to be Israelis!
According to ABC’s 20/20, when the van belonging to the cheering Israelis was stopped by the police, the driver of the van, Sivan Kurzberg, told the officers:

"We are Israelis. We are not your problem. Your problems are our problems. The Palestinians are your problem." (10)
Why did he feel Palestinians were a problem for the NYPD?

The police and FBI field agents became very suspicious when they found maps of the city with certain places highlighted, box cutters (the same items that the hijackers supposedly used), $4700 cash stuffed in a sock, and foreign passports. Police also told the Bergen Record that bomb sniffing dogs were brought to the van and that they reacted as if they had smelled explosives. (11)

The FBI seized and developed their photos, one of which shows Sivan Kurzberg flicking a cigarette lighter in front of the smouldering ruins in an apparently celebratory gesture. (12)


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The Jerusalem Post later reported that a white van with a bomb was stopped as it approached the George Washington Bridge, but the ethnicity of the suspects was not revealed. Here's what the Jerusalem Post reported on September 12, 2001:

American security services overnight stopped a car bomb on the George Washington Bridge. The van, packed with explosives, was stopped on an approach ramp to the bridge. Authorities suspect the terrorists intended to blow up the main crossing between New Jersey and New York, Army Radio reported. (13)

     "...two suspects are in FBI custody after a truckload of explosives was discovered around the George Washington Bridge ... The FBI ... says enough explosives were in the truck to do great damage to the George Washington Bridge."
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It was reported the van contained tonnes of explosives (14).

What's really intriguing is that ABC's 20/20 (15), the New York Post (16), and the New Jersey Bergen Record (17) all clearly and unambiguously reported that a white van with Israelis was intercepted on a ramp near Route 3, which leads directly to the Lincoln Tunne


But the Jerusalem Post, Israeli National News (Arutz Sheva) (18), and Yediot America, (19) all reported, just as clearly and unambiguously, that a white van with Israelis was stopped on a ramp leading to the George Washington Bridge, which is several miles north of the Lincoln Tunnel.


It appears as if there may actually have been two white vans involved, one stopped on each crossing. This would not only explain the conflicting reports as to the actual location of the arrests, but would also explain how so many credible eye-witnesses all saw celebrating "middle-easterners" in a white van in so many different locations.