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Message started by falah on Sep 20th, 2011 at 5:49am

Title: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by falah on Sep 20th, 2011 at 5:49am
American Muslims are the most likely faith group to reject attacks on civilians in the United States, according to an August 2011 survey published by Gallup.

WASHINGTON, Aug 2, 2011 (IPS) - Muslims in the United States express greater tolerance for members of other faiths than any other major religious group, according to a major new survey and report released here Thursday by the Abu Dhabi Gallup Center.

They are also more likely than any other religious group to oppose violent or military attacks against civilians, according to the survey, "Muslim Americans: Faith, Freedom, and the Future".

Nearly four out of five (78 percent) U.S. Muslims say that military attacks against civilians can never be justified. That compares with less than two of five Protestants (38 percent) and Catholics (39 percent) and just over four out of Jews (43 percent) who take that position, the poll found.

Similarly, 89 percent of Muslims said attacks by "an individual person or a small group of individuals to target and kill civilians can never be justified". Between 71 percent and 75 percent of Christian and Jewish respondents agreed.

The survey also found that Jewish and Muslim Americans shared many views, including how best to solve the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Eighty-one percent of Muslims and 78 percent of Jews queried by Gallup said they supported a two-state solution.

Jewish respondents were also more likely than any other group, including Muslims themselves, to believe that Muslims face prejudice in the U.S.

While 60 percent of Muslims agreed with the proposition that "most Americans are prejudiced against Muslim Americans," that was less than the 66 percent of Jews agreed with it. Protestants and Catholics, in contrast, were roughly evenly split on the question.

Jewish respondents (80 percent) were also more likely - besides Muslims themselves (93 percent) - to see Muslim Americans as being loyal to the United States, compared to less than 60 percent of Christian respondents. Conversely, more than a third of Protestant and Catholic respondents questioned Muslims' loyalty, as did 19 percent of Jews.

The survey, which was based on nearly 2,500 interviews with respondents, 475 of whom said they were Muslim, poses a major challenge to efforts, primarily by right-wing Christian and Jewish groups in the U.S., to depict Muslims - and Islam as a religion - as fundamentally alien, if not actively hostile, to "Judeo-Christian" or "Western" values and U.S. society.

Those efforts reached a high point over the past year in the form of a largely successful effort to derail the construction of a Muslim community centre – the so-called "Ground Zero Mosque" – two blocks from the site of the World Trade Center in lower Manhattan and an ongoing state-by-state campaign led by the neo-conservative Center for Security Policy (CSP) to outlaw the application of Sharia, or Islamic law, in U.S. courts.

The latter campaign, headed by a former resident of a Jewish settlement on the occupied West Bank, has claimed that Sharia is part of plot by the Muslim Brotherhood to transform the United States into an Islamic, "totalitarian" state.

Those campaigns – as well as Congressional hearings chaired by Republican Rep. Peter King this year on threats allegedly posed by Muslim extremism in the U.S. – have affected the public's perceptions of U.S. Muslims...

The survey also didn't break down differences of views - based on ethnicity or other factors - among U.S. Muslims who make up the most racially diverse religious community in the country.

Asian Muslims, who comprise about 18 percent of the total Muslim population, enjoy particularly high incomes on average, for example, while African-American Muslims – about 35 percent of the total – are least well off, according to the last major Gallup survey, 'Muslim Americans: A National Portrait,' published in 2009.

Overall, Muslim Americans expressed more optimism about their lives, including their economic well-being, than all the other major religious groups, according to the survey...

On the more-negative side, nearly half of all Muslim respondents (48 percent) said they had experienced discrimination over the past year, compared to an average of 20 percent of Protestants, Catholics, and Jews, and 31 percent of Mormons.

And while, of all religious groups, Muslim respondents were most likely to express confidence in the honesty of elections (57 percent), they were the least likely be registered to vote (65 percent), and to express confidence in the military (70 percent) and in the Federal Bureau of Investigation (60 percent), no doubt because they have been the target of repeated investigations, especially since 9/11.

Four out of five Muslims said they do not believe it is possible to profile a terrorist based on his or her gender, age, ethnicity or other demographic traits...

According to a "religious tolerance index" devised by Gallup, in which respondents assess how strongly they identify with other religions, the survey found that Muslims and Mormons were the most accepting or "integrated" – defined as going "beyond a live-and-let- live [or "tolerant"] attitude (to) actively seek to know more about and learn from others of different religious traditions."

Forty-four percent of Muslim respondents fit that definition, compared to 34 percent of Catholics, 35 percent of Protestants, and 36 percent of Jews.

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=56726


Title: Re: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by falah on Sep 20th, 2011 at 5:53am

Title: Re: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by salad in on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:39am

Quote:
American Muslims are the most likely faith group to reject attacks on civilians in the United States, according to an August 2011 survey published by Gallup.


They are not muslims. The holy koran does not release muslims in 2011 from their obligation to make war on the unbelievers.

Title: Re: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by Deborahmac09 on Sep 20th, 2011 at 11:00am

salad in wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 8:39am:

Quote:
American Muslims are the most likely faith group to reject attacks on civilians in the United States, according to an August 2011 survey published by Gallup.


They are not muslims. The holy koran does not release muslims in 2011 from their obligation to make war on the unbelievers.


That is like saying Catholics are not Christian because they worship idols. Or any other branch of Christianity is not Christian because their comprehension of what the parables of the bible mean is different to someone else's.

Title: Re: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by Yadda on Sep 20th, 2011 at 3:49pm

falah wrote on Sep 20th, 2011 at 5:49am:
American Muslims are the most likely faith group to reject attacks on civilians in the United States, according to an August 2011 survey published by Gallup.

WASHINGTON, Aug 2, 2011 (IPS) - Muslims in the United States express greater tolerance for members of other faiths than any other major religious group, according to a major new survey and report released here Thursday by the Abu Dhabi Gallup Center.

They are also more likely than any other religious group to oppose violent or military attacks against civilians, according to the survey, "Muslim Americans: Faith, Freedom, and the Future".




Lets just have some perspective here, about moslem deceit, moslem sophistry, and about how 'civilians' in conflict areas are regarded, by ISLAMIC doctrine....

Google,
muslim sophistry terrorism


The truth is that no person, no man, no woman, no child, on the planet, is protected from moslem violence, if their death would be regarded by moslems as in the interests of spreading Allah's perfect religion.

A case in point....
Beslan.
Beslan.
Beslan.

Google,
"rape jihad"

Google,
beslan children raped then murdered, jihad


Q.
Weren't the school children of Beslan, 'real' civilians ???




Further evidence, from the mouths of moslems, on the legitimacy, of moslems killing anyone, during Jihad 'operations'....

e.g.  #1,
"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD




e.g.  #2,

Quote:

Cleric preaches that violence is part of Islam
01/05/2007
In documents seen by The Daily Telegraph, al-Muhajiroun claimed: "Terrorism is a part of Islam" and "Allah made it obligatory to prepare and to terrify the enemy of Allah".
The article advised: "The kuffar of USA and UK are without doubt our enemy. There is no such thing as an innocent kafir, innocence is only applicable for the Muslims. Not only is it obligatory to fight them, it is haram [forbidden] to feel sorry for them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550211/Cleric-preaches-that-violence-is-part-of-Islam.html




e.g.  #3,
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE
"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."
"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4




e.g.  #4,
Attack on London 'inevitable'
April 19, 2004
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/04/19/1082326119414.html?from=storyrhs&oneclick=true




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ISLAM does not prohibit the killing of civilians, during any Jihad 'operations', imo.

more, here....
"Islam specifically forbids killing of non-combat"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251160915/0#0


Title: Re: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by abu_rashid on Sep 21st, 2011 at 6:32am

Quote:
Lets just have some perspective here...

A case in point....
Beslan.
Beslan.
Beslan.


Nice one Yadda, focus on one little event like Beslan, and ignore the decade or so of Russian atrocities in Chechnya in which about 10,000 times more women and kids were slaughtered, raped, tortured etc. Not by a small group of people who'd been driven to despair by the atrocities they'd themselves endured, but by the mainstream army of conscripts.

Nice perspective...

I'd say this study squares up quite well with the facts. When we look at how many civilians Christian nations have murdered over the last century or so, and compare it to Muslims, the comparison is quite realistic. Christians have always been the ones most willing to commit such atrocities. The fact they then claim to be "peace loving hippy" types really means little. Proof is in the pudding.

Title: Re: Muslims most likely to reject attacks on civilians
Post by Yadda on Sep 22nd, 2011 at 12:37pm

abu_rashid wrote on Sep 21st, 2011 at 6:32am:

Quote:
Lets just have some perspective here...

A case in point....
Beslan.
Beslan.
Beslan.


Nice one Yadda, focus on one little event like Beslan,

and ignore the decade or so of Russian atrocities in Chechnya in which about 10,000 times more women and kids were slaughtered, raped, tortured etc. Not by a small group of people who'd been driven to despair by the atrocities they'd themselves endured, but by the mainstream army of conscripts.

Nice perspective...

I'd say this study squares up quite well with the facts. When we look at how many civilians Christian nations have murdered over the last century or so, and compare it to Muslims, the comparison is quite realistic. Christians have always been the ones most willing to commit such atrocities. The fact they then claim to be "peace loving hippy" types really means little. Proof is in the pudding.



And here is me, thinking that i was revealing what mainstream ISLAM justifies ?


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.]

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29




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Just keep denying the truth Abu.

Just keep projecting blame and guilt onto everyone else, for what ISLAM is guilty of, and for what ISLAM is the author of.

Just keep trying to make everyone else the scapegoat, for what ISLAM is guilty of, and for what ISLAM is the author of.


Google;
islam projection guilt



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