It is possible for me to ban members from individual boards, but it is a complicated process. So please follow this procedure. Temporary bans will not be given, so use all other avenues first.

For all members:

Please follow the instructions of board moderators. If you don't like them, cease to use the board. This is the most powerful mechanism you have to handle poor board management. You may of course complain to the mod publicly or privately, but give it up if it is not achieving anything. If they ask you to stop posting on the board, stop posting on the board. If you refuse to follow their instructions, you will be blocked from the board and also suspended from the whole forum.

For board moderators:

1) Warn the member via PM and then publicly that they are breaking the rules.

2) If they persist in being disruptive, send them a PM notifying them that they are banned from the board. Include a link to this post so that they are aware of the ban and my expectations of them under this procedure. CC a copy of this PM to me. At this stage the member is expected to voluntarily refrain from using the board.

3) If they continue to post, advise them publicly that they are banned, or refer them to their PM from you if you want to be more subtle. This is in case they don't read their PMs.

4) If they continue to post, PM me with a link to their public warning and where they posted afterwards, and quotes. I will put in an appropriate ban at that stage. This could be a ban from the board, from the section or from the entire forum.

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I will not ban people from individual party boards. On the first offence you will be banned from the entire section (currently 6 boards) or from the entire forum.

For member run boards, I have traditionally banned people from individual boards first, then from the entire section. I will continue this for the moment.

If the 'offence' is particularly nasty the member will be banned or suspended from the entire forum.

The point of this process, and the member run boards in general, is to reduce the workload on myself and the other global mods. I expect the board mods to make a reasonable effort to handle and diffuse a problem themselves before asking for a ban. I do not want the board mods to use bans as part of any personal disagreements.

bump

So far I haven't had a problem in Health & Welfare.

I did have to warn one poster, but he 'took it on board' and there was no further trouble.

I try to sort things without bans or suspensions. I look upon them as a last resort only.

But thanks for the tips and advice.

;D

Katut wrote on Jun 1^st, 2014 at 12:11am:

;D

Pardon?

Why was I banned yesterday ?

I was banned a week or so ago for posting rubbish, that was fine. Someone emailed me said it was spamming.
I was just bored.

I had no email this time, so am wondering why I was banned

I am sure the G Mods were doing the right thing.

Look back through your posts and I am sure you will be able to work out why you deserved a banning..

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Why was I banned yesterday ? I was banned a week or so ago for posting rubbish, that was fine. Someone emailed me said it was spamming. I was just bored. I had no email this time, so am wondering why I was banned

It was probably your turn Sprint...don't worry about it.

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 10:08pm:

I am sure the G Mods were doing the right thing. Look back through your posts and I am sure you will be able to work out why you deserved a banning..

I looked back through his posts and could see nothing that would warrant a ban.

Some people here do get banned for no obvious reason and no explanation depending on the mood of the moderator.

there is something automatic I think about whats called spamming... I kept getting a message when I tried to post.. telling me I was banned for so many seconds..[strewth] because of spamming...I was replying to bobby regarding P*rn. and used the word twice...it was definitely not a mod.

cods wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:49am:

there is something automatic I think about whats called spamming... I kept getting a message when I tried to post.. telling me I was banned for so many seconds..[strewth] because of spamming...I was replying to bobby regarding P*rn. and used the word twice...it was definitely not a mod.

I get that (very) occasionally too, Cods.

Usually, I just need to wait a few moments then re-submit my post.

My bet is that it's an intermittent bug in the forum software which
sometimes picks innocent posts as spam.

Better that, than real spam, I guess...

Kat wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 9:01am:

cods wrote on Jun 28th, 2014 at 6:49am: there is something automatic I think about whats called spamming... I kept getting a message when I tried to post.. telling me I was banned for so many seconds..[strewth] because of spamming...I was replying to bobby regarding P*rn. and used the word twice...it was definitely not a mod. I get that (very) occasionally too, Cods. Usually, I just need to wait a few moments then re-submit my post. My bet is that it's an intermittent bug in the forum software which sometimes picks innocent posts as spam. Better that, than real spam, I guess...

I got banned for 2000 odd seconds...lol.. seems to be if you say the same word more than twice...just say for instance a swear word...its a bit like that word change thingy.. if you say the s word a p word comes up...

I got into terrible trouble on here from someone who claimed I called someone a naughty name... the s.. word.. I didnt I used the p word...but of course the person thought I was using the s word... so it all gets a bit confusing when a machine starts to correct us....a bit over the top I think.

mantra wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 6:43am:

Grand Duke Imam Mahdi wrote on Jun 27th, 2014 at 10:08pm: I am sure the G Mods were doing the right thing. Look back through your posts and I am sure you will be able to work out why you deserved a banning.. I looked back through his posts and could see nothing that would warrant a ban. Some people here do get banned for no obvious reason and no explanation depending on the mood of the moderator.

;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27^th, 2014 at 8:14pm:

Why was I banned yesterday ? I was banned a week or so ago for posting rubbish, that was fine. Someone emailed me said it was spamming. I was just bored. I had no email this time, so am wondering why I was banned

still no pm from a mod about my banning.

What was it for ?

Sprintcyclist - not so long ago  I was blocked from Feedback for a week or so. This was the first time in 8 years since the inception of this forum any restrictions were made on my posting and it was simply because a few disgruntled members tend to drag my nick into all their grievances.  Perhaps because they want me to bite or perhaps they hold an old grudge that most of the time I'm unaware of.  I make very few posts and although I have my cynical moments have not consciously abused anyone or used bad language. Even if they haven't liked my response  - it's been nowhere near the level of abuse which has been dished out to me.

I don't even bother the mods anymore, but obviously others do.  There are some challenged people here - that is obvious and for some of us it is impossible to understand where they're coming from. Those who cry loudest are heard even if their complaints are only figments of their imagination.

mantra wrote on Jun 29^th, 2014 at 8:47am:

Sprintcyclist - not so long ago  I was blocked from Feedback for a week or so. This was the first time in 8 years since the inception of this forum any restrictions were made on my posting and it was simply because a few disgruntled members tend to drag my nick into all their grievances.  Perhaps because they want me to bite or perhaps they hold an old grudge that most of the time I'm unaware of.  I make very few posts and although I have my cynical moments have not consciously abused anyone or used bad language. Even if they haven't liked my response  - it's been nowhere near the level of abuse which has been dished out to me. I don't even bother the mods anymore, but obviously others do.  There are some challenged people here - that is obvious and for some of us it is impossible to understand where they're coming from. Those who cry loudest are heard even if their complaints are only figments of their imagination.

You being blocked!
You are probably the calmest blogger here.

Dark forces are upon us.

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 29^th, 2014 at 9:40am:

mantra wrote on Jun 29th, 2014 at 8:47am: Sprintcyclist - not so long ago  I was blocked from Feedback for a week or so. This was the first time in 8 years since the inception of this forum any restrictions were made on my posting and it was simply because a few disgruntled members tend to drag my nick into all their grievances.  Perhaps because they want me to bite or perhaps they hold an old grudge that most of the time I'm unaware of.  I make very few posts and although I have my cynical moments have not consciously abused anyone or used bad language. Even if they haven't liked my response  - it's been nowhere near the level of abuse which has been dished out to me. I don't even bother the mods anymore, but obviously others do.  There are some challenged people here - that is obvious and for some of us it is impossible to understand where they're coming from. Those who cry loudest are heard even if their complaints are only figments of their imagination. You being blocked! You are probably the calmest blogger here. Dark forces are upon us.

some people have the POWER...if a mod happens to not like or agree with you...

who knows..I think one should sit back and say they are doing me a favor.. take a rest a holiday..we are a bit addicted to this thing I am for sure..I am supposed to be making a carrot cake and what am I dont.... whingeing..

oh well.. dont bother trying to find out why sprint.. they dont tell you..if you happen to use a word that someone takes offence to they will report you and BINGO you are gone..I dont think its always the mods fault..some complain they report things and the mods do nothing....yet we have no idea what they do really.. a terse.. detention...does work... I dont use the word... screw. anymore..perc told me off.I still dont know why. ;D ;D ;D

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 28^th, 2014 at 5:37pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Jun 27th, 2014 at 8:14pm: Why was I banned yesterday ? I was banned a week or so ago for posting rubbish, that was fine. Someone emailed me said it was spamming. I was just bored. I had no email this time, so am wondering why I was banned still no pm from a mod about my banning. What was it for ?

Were you posting about Islam ?

I was not here a couple days and I logged in late Sunday, posted in the food section and simply had some friendly banter with ian and then quoted  an existing post in one of the Islam threads and Bam. There was no nasty shyte. The only G Mod around was Gandalf, no explanation nothing. I think it was more some rage issues than anything else.

I was canned the same time as SC..we both know why.

Yeah seems that way aye.

It does Matty   :)

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2011 at 11:31am:

It is possible for me to ban members from individual boards, but it is a complicated process. So please follow this procedure. Temporary bans will not be given, so use all other avenues first. For all members: Please follow the instructions of board moderators. If you don't like them, cease to use the board. This is the most powerful mechanism you have to handle poor board management. You may of course complain to the mod publicly or privately, but give it up if it is not achieving anything. If they ask you to stop posting on the board, stop posting on the board. If you refuse to follow their instructions, you will be blocked from the board and also suspended from the whole forum. For board moderators: 1) Warn the member via PM and then publicly that they are breaking the rules. 2) If they persist in being disruptive, send them a PM notifying them that they are banned from the board. Include a link to this post so that they are aware of the ban and my expectations of them under this procedure. CC a copy of this PM to me. At this stage the member is expected to voluntarily refrain from using the board. 3) If they continue to post, advise them publicly that they are banned, or refer them to their PM from you if you want to be more subtle. This is in case they don't read their PMs. 4) If they continue to post, PM me with a link to their public warning and where they posted afterwards, and quotes. I will put in an appropriate ban at that stage. This could be a ban from the board, from the section or from the entire forum. I will not ban people from individual party boards. On the first offence you will be banned from the entire section (currently 6 boards) or from the entire forum. For member run boards, I have traditionally banned people from individual boards first, then from the entire section. I will continue this for the moment. If the 'offence' is particularly nasty the member will be banned or suspended from the entire forum. The point of this process, and the member run boards in general, is to reduce the workload on myself and the other global mods. I expect the board mods to make a reasonable effort to handle and diffuse a problem themselves before asking for a ban. I do not want the board mods to use bans as part of any personal disagreements.

my question is...

what about PERSONAL abuse..

who decides if it personal or not..

if a complaint goes in but its obvious nothing is done about it.. personal abuse remains on the thread...along with the poster....

does that mean we have to put up with the abuse because the MOD doesnt agree it is abuse?..

if one is told then at least one knows where one stands...

I do recall reading where to say someone is a paedophile is called personal abuse....

yet to claim someone is an alcoholic doesnt appear to be...

can you explain the difference.. thank you?

Does this have anything to do with the rules for banning from member run boards?

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Does this have anything to do with the rules for banning from member run boards?

no it doesnt but I didnt want to get aussie all riled up for starting a new thread..


will I start a new thread to get your attention?

happy to do so.

are there two sets of rules??>. I do know you only get involved if you are pushed...

and mods seem few and far between these days.

or are they an endangered species?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172540626

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 7:13pm:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1172540626

pretty old.. and I am sorry to see you stoop to that level...but here goes.

cods wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 8:08am:

I do recall reading where to say someone is a paedophile is called personal abuse.... yet to claim someone is an alcoholic doesnt appear to be...

I have seen the alcoholic reference used dozens of times by various members and it has always escaped scrutiny. I saw one reference to it yesterday involving another member who used it for the first time and he was banned immediately. He will not return and this is Ozpolitic's loss.

mantra wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 7:16am:

cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:08am: I do recall reading where to say someone is a paedophile is called personal abuse.... yet to claim someone is an alcoholic doesnt appear to be... I have seen the alcoholic reference used dozens of times by various members and it has always escaped scrutiny. I saw one reference to it yesterday involving another member who used it for the first time and he was banned immediately. He will not return and this is Ozpolitic's loss.

really... thats news.. how do you know when someone is banned???....I dont use the member run boards that much but I thought a mod could only ban you from their own board and not the whole thing??.... or have I got that wrong.?

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

mantra wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 7:16am: cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:08am: I do recall reading where to say someone is a paedophile is called personal abuse.... yet to claim someone is an alcoholic doesnt appear to be... I have seen the alcoholic reference used dozens of times by various members and it has always escaped scrutiny. I saw one reference to it yesterday involving another member who used it for the first time and he was banned immediately. He will not return and this is Ozpolitic's loss. really... thats news.. how do you know when someone is banned???....I dont use the member run boards that much but I thought a mod could only ban you from their own board and not the whole thing??.... or have I got that wrong.?

Unless you are also a GMod, those like me who moderate the Member run Boards do not have a ban button.  To get someone banned form that Board, we have to go through a three stage advice/request process, and even then nothing may happen.  In effect, it means that an offender gets three strikes before  freediver might act.

Aussie wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:28am:

cods wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:09am: mantra wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 7:16am: cods wrote on Aug 14th, 2014 at 8:08am: I do recall reading where to say someone is a paedophile is called personal abuse.... yet to claim someone is an alcoholic doesnt appear to be... I have seen the alcoholic reference used dozens of times by various members and it has always escaped scrutiny. I saw one reference to it yesterday involving another member who used it for the first time and he was banned immediately. He will not return and this is Ozpolitic's loss. really... thats news.. how do you know when someone is banned???....I dont use the member run boards that much but I thought a mod could only ban you from their own board and not the whole thing??.... or have I got that wrong.? Unless you are also a GMod, those like me who moderate the Member run Boards do not have a ban button.  To get someone banned form that Board, we have to go through a three stage advice/request process, and even then nothing may happen.  In effect, it means that an offender gets three strikes before  freediver might act.

thats interesting.... I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I was asked not to go there and I havent lol..

so what you a re saying is.. FD is the only one that can ban someone.....no wonder he is snowed under..I am thinking of all the people that would be complaining about me...that alone would be a fulltime job...

is andrei still with us do you know?....as a mod I mean...

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I was asked not to go there and I havent lol..

You're not banned from there now apparently Cods, but for those who are "banned" from one of the member run boards - why would you want to go back anyway? You are banned in spirit only, but if you keep returning in defiance of the moderator's warning - obviously you'll end up being banned from the whole of Ozpolitic.


cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:09am:

really... thats news.. how do you know when someone is banned???....I dont use the member run boards that much but I thought a mod could only ban you from their own board and not the whole thing??.... or have I got that wrong.?

A global moderator would have banned this person. The insult occurred in Politicians Suck - so Cods a precedent has been set. Any member who accuses someone else of imbibing could now be banned.

You wouldn't usually know when someone is banned unless they talk about it somewhere.

mantra wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:59am:

cods wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:42am: I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I was asked not to go there and I havent lol.. You're not banned from there now apparently Cods, but for those who are "banned" from one of the member run boards - why would you want to go back anyway? You are banned in spirit only, but if you keep returning in defiance of the moderator's warning - obviously you'll end up being banned from the whole of Ozpolitic.

if like me you respond to view by time you can accidentally find yourself in someone's sandpit. 

Datalife wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 11:03am:

if like me you respond to view by time you can accidentally find yourself in someone's sandpit.

I can understand that. I've found myself about to automatically respond to something in the sub-forum I'm banned from, but pulled back in the nick of time. I got 3 warnings over just one little line I posted which means technically if I get another warning - I could be banned. One warning per post should be adequate enough to deter someone.

mantra wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 11:28am:

Datalife wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 11:03am: if like me you respond to view by time you can accidentally find yourself in someone's sandpit. I can understand that. I've found myself about to automatically respond to something in the sub-forum I'm banned from, but pulled back in the nick of time. I got 3 warnings over just one little line I posted which means technically if I get another warning - I could be banned. One warning per post should be adequate enough to deter someone.

thats interesting I did get a couple of messages about not going there... not subtle either.. but I can take a hint when I am not wanted..I cant imagine you being banned mantra.. I am worse than you...it must be a very touchy mod thats all I can say...

if the mods dont like something why dont they delete it??...I know if I was a mod and something upset a person I would love to be able to delete that remark/pic..

some things are so uncalled for....I dont care if someone doesnt like what I post.. that to me is their problem...I dont read so many on here.. I am flat out having achat these days....boy I tread on toes dont I?.....

you are no where near as bad as me mantra...

and if we cannot talk about things we disagree on without being nasty then thats bloody sad.

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 11:39am:

if the mods dont like something why dont they delete it??...I know if I was a mod and something upset a person I would love to be able to delete that remark/pic..

That would be the easiest solution, but it depends on the personality of the sub-forum moderator. If they dislike you, it doesn't matter how mild your comment might be - they will find a way to get rid of you. That's their prerogative.


Quote:

some things are so uncalled for....I dont care if someone doesnt like what I post.. that to me is their problem...I dont read so many on here.. I am flat out having achat these days....boy I tread on toes dont I?.....

We all tread on toes at times - intentionally or unintentionally. Just imagine how boring a forum would be if we didn't.


Quote:

and if we cannot talk about things we disagree on without being nasty then thats bloody sad.

Some people find it impossible not to be nasty. It's part of their DNA and if they haven't learnt to tone it down a bit by the time they become mature adults - they never will.

cods wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 10:42am:

thats interesting.... I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I is andrei still with us do you know?....as a mod I mean...

I am cods.
Sadly my time is quite limited at the moment due to considerable workload - plus i am about to go on 10 day summer break in Portugal with the family! :)

Nonetheless i still pop in now and again

freediver wrote on Aug 14^th, 2014 at 12:36pm:

Does this have anything to do with the rules for banning from member run boards?

;D ;D ;D

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17^th, 2014 at 8:32pm:

cods wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:42am: thats interesting.... I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I is andrei still with us do you know?....as a mod I mean... I am cods. Sadly my time is quite limited at the moment due to considerable workload - plus i am about to go on 10 day summer break in Portugal with the family! :) Nonetheless i still pop in now and again

happy holiday to you.. are you going to Madeira?.

I guess that means we can play up for 10 more days.. ::) ::)

mantra wrote on Aug 16^th, 2014 at 11:54am:

wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 11:39am: if the mods dont like something why dont they delete it??...I know if I was a mod and something upset a person I would love to be able to delete that remark/pic.. That would be the easiest solution, but it depends on the personality of the sub-forum moderator. If they dislike you, it doesn't matter how mild your comment might be - they will find a way to get rid of you. That's their prerogative.

I guess your right...I find the mods few and far between of late...not complaining as I dont really have that many complaints..

cods wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 7:19am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 8:32pm: cods wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:42am: thats interesting.... I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I is andrei still with us do you know?....as a mod I mean... I am cods. Sadly my time is quite limited at the moment due to considerable workload - plus i am about to go on 10 day summer break in Portugal with the family! :) Nonetheless i still pop in now and again happy holiday to you.. are you going to Madeira?. I guess that means we can play up for 10 more days.. ::) ::)

Alvor in the Algarve.

I am sure the other Moderators have it well in hand cods.... :)

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 18^th, 2014 at 8:50am:

cods wrote on Aug 18th, 2014 at 7:19am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 17th, 2014 at 8:32pm: cods wrote on Aug 16th, 2014 at 10:42am: thats interesting.... I thought I was banned from tavern....but maybe not...I is andrei still with us do you know?....as a mod I mean... I am cods. Sadly my time is quite limited at the moment due to considerable workload - plus i am about to go on 10 day summer break in Portugal with the family! :) Nonetheless i still pop in now and again happy holiday to you.. are you going to Madeira?. I guess that means we can play up for 10 more days.. ::) ::) Alvor in the Algarve. very nice.....my daughter has inlaws in Madeira and spent Xmas last year there...they party hard... I am sure the other Moderators have it well in hand cods.... :)

what other moderates???...lol.. I have lost the faith.. :'( :'(

Personally speaking I quite like this forum for its low key moderation.

Far better than the ones that over-moderate and end up so boring and members leave in droves.

They end up like a grandmas afternoon tea club.

Boring as crap in my opinion

freediver wrote on Oct 4^th, 2011 at 11:31am:

It is possible for me to ban members from individual boards, but it is a complicated process. So please follow this procedure. Temporary bans will not be given, so use all other avenues first. For all members: Please follow the instructions of board moderators. If you don't like them, cease to use the board. This is the most powerful mechanism you have to handle poor board management. You may of course complain to the mod publicly or privately, but give it up if it is not achieving anything. If they ask you to stop posting on the board, stop posting on the board. If you refuse to follow their instructions, you will be blocked from the board and also suspended from the whole forum. For board moderators: 1) Warn the member via PM and then publicly that they are breaking the rules. 2) If they persist in being disruptive, send them a PM notifying them that they are banned from the board. Include a link to this post so that they are aware of the ban and my expectations of them under this procedure. CC a copy of this PM to me. At this stage the member is expected to voluntarily refrain from using the board. 3) If they continue to post, advise them publicly that they are banned, or refer them to their PM from you if you want to be more subtle. This is in case they don't read their PMs. 4) If they continue to post, PM me with a link to their public warning and where they posted afterwards, and quotes. I will put in an appropriate ban at that stage. This could be a ban from the board, from the section or from the entire forum. I will not ban people from individual party boards. On the first offence you will be banned from the entire section (currently 6 boards) or from the entire forum. For member run boards, I have traditionally banned people from individual boards first, then from the entire section. I will continue this for the moment. If the 'offence' is particularly nasty the member will be banned or suspended from the entire forum. The point of this process, and the member run boards in general, is to reduce the workload on myself and the other global mods. I expect the board mods to make a reasonable effort to handle and diffuse a problem themselves before asking for a ban. I do not want the board mods to use bans as part of any personal disagreements.

That's strange, FD. You ban people simply for posting in "moderator's" boards. Your rules, however, state that they should be based on breaking rules, not merely having the temerity to post there.

You won't reply, of course. You've banned people and deleted their comments for simply exposing this ruse.

Kunning, no?

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 30^th, 2017 at 11:18am:

freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2011 at 11:31am: It is possible for me to ban members from individual boards, but it is a complicated process. So please follow this procedure. Temporary bans will not be given, so use all other avenues first. For all members: Please follow the instructions of board moderators. If you don't like them, cease to use the board. This is the most powerful mechanism you have to handle poor board management. You may of course complain to the mod publicly or privately, but give it up if it is not achieving anything. If they ask you to stop posting on the board, stop posting on the board. If you refuse to follow their instructions, you will be blocked from the board and also suspended from the whole forum. For board moderators: 1) Warn the member via PM and then publicly that they are breaking the rules. 2) If they persist in being disruptive, send them a PM notifying them that they are banned from the board. Include a link to this post so that they are aware of the ban and my expectations of them under this procedure. CC a copy of this PM to me. At this stage the member is expected to voluntarily refrain from using the board. 3) If they continue to post, advise them publicly that they are banned, or refer them to their PM from you if you want to be more subtle. This is in case they don't read their PMs. 4) If they continue to post, PM me with a link to their public warning and where they posted afterwards, and quotes. I will put in an appropriate ban at that stage. This could be a ban from the board, from the section or from the entire forum. I will not ban people from individual party boards. On the first offence you will be banned from the entire section (currently 6 boards) or from the entire forum. For member run boards, I have traditionally banned people from individual boards first, then from the entire section. I will continue this for the moment. If the 'offence' is particularly nasty the member will be banned or suspended from the entire forum. The point of this process, and the member run boards in general, is to reduce the workload on myself and the other global mods. I expect the board mods to make a reasonable effort to handle and diffuse a problem themselves before asking for a ban. I do not want the board mods to use bans as part of any personal disagreements. That's strange, FD. You ban people simply for posting in "moderator's" boards. Your rules, however, state that they should be based on breaking rules, not merely having the temerity to post there. You won't reply, of course. You've banned people and deleted their comments for simply exposing this ruse. Kunning, no?

It's more complicated Karnal. The forum software only allows banning from one subforum at a time, I found this out by adding a member to the banned list for another subforum when they were already banned from another and discovered that bans them from posting anywhere, they can log in and send and receive PMs but that's it. So that is when I started to impose the forum wide bans for ignoring subforum mods requests not to post in their forum. There really is no other way to deter people from not following subforum mods rulings.

Setanta wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 2:18am:

Mattyfisk wrote on Nov 30th, 2017 at 11:18am: freediver wrote on Oct 4th, 2011 at 11:31am: It is possible for me to ban members from individual boards, but it is a complicated process. So please follow this procedure. Temporary bans will not be given, so use all other avenues first. For all members: Please follow the instructions of board moderators. If you don't like them, cease to use the board. This is the most powerful mechanism you have to handle poor board management. You may of course complain to the mod publicly or privately, but give it up if it is not achieving anything. If they ask you to stop posting on the board, stop posting on the board. If you refuse to follow their instructions, you will be blocked from the board and also suspended from the whole forum. For board moderators: 1) Warn the member via PM and then publicly that they are breaking the rules. 2) If they persist in being disruptive, send them a PM notifying them that they are banned from the board. Include a link to this post so that they are aware of the ban and my expectations of them under this procedure. CC a copy of this PM to me. At this stage the member is expected to voluntarily refrain from using the board. 3) If they continue to post, advise them publicly that they are banned, or refer them to their PM from you if you want to be more subtle. This is in case they don't read their PMs. 4) If they continue to post, PM me with a link to their public warning and where they posted afterwards, and quotes. I will put in an appropriate ban at that stage. This could be a ban from the board, from the section or from the entire forum. I will not ban people from individual party boards. On the first offence you will be banned from the entire section (currently 6 boards) or from the entire forum. For member run boards, I have traditionally banned people from individual boards first, then from the entire section. I will continue this for the moment. If the 'offence' is particularly nasty the member will be banned or suspended from the entire forum. The point of this process, and the member run boards in general, is to reduce the workload on myself and the other global mods. I expect the board mods to make a reasonable effort to handle and diffuse a problem themselves before asking for a ban. I do not want the board mods to use bans as part of any personal disagreements. That's strange, FD. You ban people simply for posting in "moderator's" boards. Your rules, however, state that they should be based on breaking rules, not merely having the temerity to post there. You won't reply, of course. You've banned people and deleted their comments for simply exposing this ruse. Kunning, no? It's more complicated Karnal. The forum software only allows banning from one subforum at a time, I found this out by adding a member to the banned list for another subforum when they were already banned from another and discovered that bans them from posting anywhere, they can log in and send and receive PMs but that's it. So that is when I started to impose the forum wide bans for ignoring subforum mods requests not to post in their forum. There really is no other way to deter people from not following subforum mods rulings.

They only moderate these boards, Setanta. Why not ban them for breaching actual rules rather than simply posting?

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:

They only moderate these boards, Setanta. Why not ban them for breaching actual rules rather than simply posting?

Subforum mods can pretty much make their own rules as long as they do not breach FDs rules, it's up to them how they run their subforums, if you do not follow their instruction, you are breaking the rules.

Setanta wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2017 at 7:48pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 2nd, 2017 at 3:59pm: They only moderate these boards, Setanta. Why not ban them for breaching actual rules rather than simply posting? Subforum mods can pretty much make their own rules as long as they do not breach FDs rules, it's up to them how they run their subforums, if you do not follow their instruction, you are breaking the rules.

Yes, but my question was why not ban people for breaching actual rules rather than being told what to say by a moderator?

Aussie, for example, would start threads with specific instructions on how to post, delete responses, lock threads and ban posters for nothing. He banned so many people so many times, he couldn't keep up with FD's paperwork.

You would have got sick of his endless complaints and petty feuds yourself. Why not just have sub mods follow the same rules as you?

I understand that calling them "member's boards" alleviates some of FD's fear of liability, but why not just ensure sub mods do their job and delete libel, harassment and vilification and ban repeat offenders?

Unless FD wants a certain amount of libel, harassment and vilification but simply wants a legal buffer - then I could understand it.

You are missing the point Karnal. The member run boards are not to delegate authority. The point of them is to have different sets of rules.

freediver wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 8:55am:

You are missing the point Karnal. The member run boards are not to delegate authority. The point of them is to have different sets of rules.

That would be nice, I guess, if you had different sets of moderators.

How many have you got left?

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 10:41pm:

freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:55am: You are missing the point Karnal. The member run boards are not to delegate authority. The point of them is to have different sets of rules. That would be nice, I guess, if you had different sets of moderators. How many have you got left?

Are you looking for a job, since ___ chucked a hissy fit and threw his pink hot pants on the ground, perhaps you might like the Greens subforum. Walk a mile in his hot pants, you never know how they will fit.

Setanta wrote on Dec 3^rd, 2017 at 11:28pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 10:41pm: freediver wrote on Dec 3rd, 2017 at 8:55am: You are missing the point Karnal. The member run boards are not to delegate authority. The point of them is to have different sets of rules. That would be nice, I guess, if you had different sets of moderators. How many have you got left? Are you looking for a job, since ___ chucked a hissy fit and threw his pink hot pants on the ground, perhaps you might like the Greens subforum. Walk a mile in his hot pants, you never know how they will fit.

Thanks for the offer, Setanta, but how many ridiculous rules could I make up to ban posters for?

The most surreal one I've been banned for is speaking in French. Yes, a moderator called Dilligaf banned me for saying "oui". Apparently he's still moderating Multiculturalism of all places.

Mind you, the latest ban stands out. Herbie banned me for posting anything at all. First, the posts were simply deleted. Strange, I thought, so I posted them again. Then they were deleted, then Herbie decided to inform me that I had no right to post "until further notice".

I haven't received any notice yet. I appear to be back on Herbie's infamous Ignore List.

If I moderated the Greens board, I'd want the freedom to let anybody in, but that mightn't go down too well with you-know-who.

Great Scott, they could be tinted.

The Greens board is not up for grabs anyway. Greenswin will swan back in soon enough.

There you go, Setanta, no Greens board for moi.

Whoops - I spoke French. Don't ban me from the Feedback board please, Moderator.

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 10:17pm:

There you go, Setanta, no Greens board for moi. Whoops - I spoke French. Don't ban me from the Feedback board please, Moderator.

Are you taking the oui oui Karnal? ;D

aka JaSin (no [reply] this section)

Attn please FD & VIC.

Can I please have Lisa Jones 'banned'!
She's returned and straight away has gone on the attack against me.
Even 'coercively' made false accusations of me just trolling these past number of days since she's been gone (and her fellow PA'ers).
Bobby has still been active here and I have not 'attacked' him off subject.
They have attacked me with nothing but 'personal' attacks since I expressed my anger at them for sneaking over to Aussie/Monks PA Forum to antagonise and stir the 'hornets nest'. Those PA'ers even expressed that they were not welcome there. So no wonder they return to this Forum all riled up!

When Lisa Jone's arrogant 'wit' fails her for the next remark/post - she straight away, as always cries out to you guys to 'Ban' who she sees fit (Mostly Aussie & Co from the other PA).
So she also did with me just recently.
She even banned me from her 'Real Estate' section that she Mods ...upon 'whim'. Not because I posted anything 'wrong' there - in fact I posted there in an effort to get things rolling there as a friendly favour as 'no-one' ever visits there! (I now wonder why? ::))
She is 'BAN CRAZY' and hence why she bombards you both with constant requests to have other people banned.

So, if she can do it (and get away with it) - then why can't I (give her a taste of her own medicine. She seems to think she has worked in the Medical Industry and knows how to administer medical advice to members to 'take their meds', she does so also against Bojack  ::))??

I will accept a 'dual ban' if she is banned and I am banned.
She's the kind to drag anyone down with her. Anything to get someone banned.

So, with Lisa can get away with it all the time...

"Freediver & Vic - please Ban Lisa Jones for being a Troll!"

Feel free to use the "ignore" function Jasin, alternatively manning up and using self restraint and discipline may work.

Setanta wrote on Dec 28^th, 2017 at 7:49pm:

Feel free to use the "ignore" function Jasin, alternatively manning up and using self restraint and discipline may work.

Can't help it obviously. I know its a 'distraction'.
But it must be the 'Feral' in me to give it back just as good as I cop it.
But ok Setanta. I'll give the 'hippy' way of restraint, peace and 'ignore' a go.
I'll see how long I last while I'm being insulted, humiliated and falsely accused.
So from this Post onwards - lets see how long I can last for?
Hopefully into the New Year at least.
:-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X

.JaSin. may need a new avatar for this one.  ;D

Vulcan wrote on Dec 28^th, 2017 at 8:23pm:

Setanta wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:49pm: Feel free to use the "ignore" function Jasin, alternatively manning up and using self restraint and discipline may work. Can't help it obviously. I know its a 'distraction'. But it must be the 'Feral' in me to give it back just as good as I cop it. But ok Setanta. I'll give the 'hippy' way of restraint, peace and 'ignore' a go. I'll see how long I last while I'm being insulted, humiliated and falsely accused. So from this Post onwards - lets see how long I can last for? Hopefully into the New Year at least. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X .JaSin. may need a new avatar for this one.  ;D

Just don't go  overboard when you blow your load. Absence makes the heart grow fonder but abstinence can drive one to emotional...

Setanta wrote on Dec 28^th, 2017 at 8:32pm:

Vulcan wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 8:23pm: Setanta wrote on Dec 28th, 2017 at 7:49pm: Feel free to use the "ignore" function Jasin, alternatively manning up and using self restraint and discipline may work. Can't help it obviously. I know its a 'distraction'. But it must be the 'Feral' in me to give it back just as good as I cop it. But ok Setanta. I'll give the 'hippy' way of restraint, peace and 'ignore' a go. I'll see how long I last while I'm being insulted, humiliated and falsely accused. So from this Post onwards - lets see how long I can last for? Hopefully into the New Year at least. :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X :-X .JaSin. may need a new avatar for this one.  ;D Just don't go  overboard when you blow your load. Absence makes the heart grow fonder but abstinence can drive one to emotional...

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh my Hippy FreeLove Brother you art wise.
This Feral thinks of the words to the song

People:"There's no sex in your violence!"
People:"Everything Zen?"

Me: "I don't think so!"


...that indeed may be the problem.

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 4^th, 2017 at 7:40pm:

Mind you, the latest ban stands out. Herbie banned me for posting anything at all. First, the posts were simply deleted. Strange, I thought, so I posted them again. Then they were deleted, then Herbie decided to inform me that I had no right to post "until further notice".

You were deliberately and persistently trying to bait me at a personal level instead of adding sensibly to the discussion. Over and again you posted little barbs and childish gibberish in the hopes of ruining the thread.

A quote from your post in this page:

"I understand that calling them "member's boards" alleviates some of FD's fear of liability, but why not just ensure sub mods do their job and delete libel, harassment and vilification and ban repeat offenders?"

Indeed, and that's exactly what I did.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 28^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 4th, 2017 at 7:40pm: Mind you, the latest ban stands out. Herbie banned me for posting anything at all. First, the posts were simply deleted. Strange, I thought, so I posted them again. Then they were deleted, then Herbie decided to inform me that I had no right to post "until further notice". You were deliberately and persistently trying to bait me at a personal level instead of adding sensibly to the discussion. Over and again you posted little barbs and childish gibberish in the hopes of ruining the thread. A quote from your post in this page: "I understand that calling them "member's boards" alleviates some of FD's fear of liability, but why not just ensure sub mods do their job and delete libel, harassment and vilification and ban repeat offenders?" Indeed, and that's exactly what I did.

It's up to you to prove harassment, Herbie. Agreeing with poor Cods is hardly harassment. Discussing worm and flea treatments is hardly baiting. No one would take offence at this.

Except you.

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 9:14am:

It's up to you to prove harassment, Herbie. Agreeing with poor Cods is hardly harassment. Discussing worm and flea treatments is hardly baiting. No one would take offence at this. Except you.

We both know exactly what your mission statement is regarding my posts, which is to make an endless series of little harassing remarks without any attempt to address the subject.

After FD had clipped you on the ear you justified your constant baiting by posting: - "... but he's a Nazi and a racist!" For my sins I forgot to copy that post to my files.

You know damned well when you're making 'nuisance posts' as a substitute for entering into discussion.

Most of your keyboard activities here are in the nature of being 'nuisance posts'.

Between you and I we don't need 'proof of harassment' ~ we both know perfectly well that I am the principal target of your displeasure, and I am to be stymied at every opportunity with your inane one-liners and silly-talk.

Lord Herbert wrote on Dec 29^th, 2017 at 12:32pm:

Mattyfisk wrote on Dec 29th, 2017 at 9:14am: It's up to you to prove harassment, Herbie. Agreeing with poor Cods is hardly harassment. Discussing worm and flea treatments is hardly baiting. No one would take offence at this. Except you. We both know exactly what your mission statement is regarding my posts, which is to make an endless series of little harassing remarks without any attempt to address the subject. After FD had clipped you on the ear you justified your constant baiting by posting: - "... but he's a Nazi and a racist!" For my sins I forgot to copy that post to my files. You know damned well when you're making 'nuisance posts' as a substitute for entering into discussion. Most of your keyboard activities here are in the nature of being 'nuisance posts'. Between you and I we don't need 'proof of harassment' ~ we both know perfectly well that I am the principal target of your displeasure, and I am to be stymied at every opportunity with your inane one-liners and silly-talk.

Hurts, does it?

No worries, Herbie, kindly show the nuisance posts that offend you so.

In the meantime, FD, please ban silly old Karnal. Herbie's offended again.

So unfair.

Keep up the good work Herb.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2017 at 9:22am:

Keep up the good work Herb.

Thank you, Bogarde, and may I say a big "Thank you" for the many fine posts you've submitted over the past year which I've thoroughly enjoyed and also learnt from.

bogarde73 wrote on Dec 30^th, 2017 at 9:22am:

Keep up the good work Herb.

Yes, Herbie, keep railing for the eradication of the tinted races. Bogie agrees.