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THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today. The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s. The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.   The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith. Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard. But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change. Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader. On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX

It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:44am:

Quote: THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today. The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s. The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.   The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith. Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard. But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change. Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader. On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. ;D ;D ;D

A mere blip on the great mans record.
I'm sure these pinko pollsters sort out you leftist scum just to discredit our savior Tony.
Take your lies & foul mouths to the next Social Alliance meeting, we neither want or need your questions.
We here KNOW that Tony will be great & we KNOW Gillard is Bob Browns bitch.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/article-image/tony_abbott_and_the_worm.jpg

What a Man!

Tony's going to HAVE to be great, Smithy. He's all we've got. If you think the Libs will reward straight Tony for paralysing the government and getting them to ape the few policies he has, you're nuts.

When Tones gets in Turnbull will have rightard spies in whatever ministry he gets. They'll keep him in the caucus because he does have support. But there's no way the Libs will change leaders. They adore Abbott for what he's done.

The next election will be Gillard versus Abbott, and Abbott will get in. There's no point having false hope. Abbott will get in and try to return Australia to the Howard years - without Howard's pragmatism and restraint.

It will be a very surreal time for this country, but it's unavoidable.

Stay in the present. This is a good time in politics. Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

With Labor veering increasingly into retard territory, the Greens are increasingly becoming the party of the middle ground. They're only advocating the sort of policies most European conservative parties follow.

While anarchic, this is the best time in politics for a generation. When Abbott gets in, the freeze will follow.

We can't avoid it. It's cyclical - like the weather.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am:

Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing.

Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage?

Abbott is still polling far above Julia Gillard, our worst PM ever. Even Turnbull polls higher than Gillard and I'd wager that right now even John Howard would poll higher than either Gillard or Rudd!

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:05am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:56am: Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing. Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage?

You think?

Labor came in with no climate change policy and a vague stance of offshore processing. It played the small target, based on internal polling and focus groups.

When it became a minority government, I thought we'd see government grind to a halt. I thought we'd see no policies of any substance enacted. I thought government would be a mere stamp for the public service.

And yet, the Greens and independants have forced them to act - at a huge cost to Labor. Where previously, Labor would have been happy to feed refugees to the sharks and do nothing about climate change - their policy was a white paper, a conference, and wait for something to happen. However, Labor have been made, by forces akin to nature, to act.

You don't see that happen very often.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:56am:

Tony's going to HAVE to be great, Smithy. He's all we've got. If you think the Libs will reward straight Tony for paralysing the government and getting them to ape the few policies he has, you're nuts. When Tones gets in Turnbull will have rightard spies in whatever ministry he gets. They'll keep him in the caucus because he does have support. But there's no way the Libs will change leaders. They adore Abbott for what he's done. The next election will be Gillard versus Abbott, and Abbott will get in. There's no point having false hope. Abbott will get in and try to return Australia to the Howard years - without Howard's pragmatism and restraint. It will be a very surreal time for this country, but it's unavoidable. Stay in the present. This is a good time in politics. Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing. With Labor veering increasingly into retard territory, the Greens are increasingly becoming the party of the middle ground. They're only advocating the sort of policies most European conservative parties follow. While anarchic, this is the best time in politics for a generation. When Abbott gets in, the freeze will follow. We can't avoid it. It's cyclical - like the weather.

I will have none of that thinking crap thank you Mr Karnal.
Matty & others have convinced me that blind faith in an individual is all you need.
The freedom from responsibility it affords you once embraced is a feeling close to euphoria.
I now know how our German friends felt in the 30's

Even Turnbull polls higher than Gillard
No surprises there, Turnbull sh its all over Abbott too,he is the preferred leader of the Libs by a mile,Abbott must be very worried that he is going backwards, not to mention getting his worst numbers since becoming leader.

Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition,  The Worst Ever .

Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government.

Plus,  when you strip away all the spin and emotive language ,  focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved?

No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called.

For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans ,  he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except  to be an attraction for a weak minded Media.

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:15am:

Even Turnbull polls higher than Gillard No surprises there, Turnbull sh its all over Abbott too,he is the preferred leaderof the Libs.

I bet if there was a poll done, even John Howard would be preferred PM over Gillard by a mile. You don't seem to be able to bring yourself to accept that Gillard is a lame duck - dead in the water.

You don't seem to be able to bring yourself to accept that Gillard is a lame duck - dead in the water.
You obviously have comprehension problems, I write about Gillard being GONE all the time, but you don't seem to understand Abbotts days are numbered as well, he's going backwards against the least popular PM of all time.

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:16am:

Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition,  The Worst Ever . Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government. Plus,  when you strip away all the spin and emotive language ,  focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved? No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called. For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans ,  he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except  to be an attraction for a weak minded Media.

True, but he's managed to bring the agenda over to his side. I still don't know how he's done it, but it's masterful politics.

He has made Labor follow his every move, but he's kept the focus on their ineptitude. It really is genius. Why would the Libs up and change to Turnbull, a man most of them hate?

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:14am:

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:05am: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:56am: Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing. Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage? You think? Labor came in with no climate change policy and a vague stance of offshore processing. It played the small target, based on internal polling and focus groups. When it became a minority government, I thought we'd see government grind to a halt. I thought we'd see no policies of any substance enacted. I thought government would be a mere stamp for the public service. And yet, the Greens and independants have forced them to act - at a huge cost to Labor. Where previously, Labor would have been happy to feed refugees to the sharks and do nothing about climate change - their policy was a white paper, a conference, and wait for something to happen. However, Labor have been made, by forces akin to nature, to act. You don't see that happen very often.

All I see is a minority government trying to stay in power by bowing to parties and independents SFA of us voted for.

I am sure many in the ALP wanted exactly what has happened, carbon tax and on shore processing. The right factions not so much. But both have been well and truly on the radar, starting with Rudd.

I can't believe some of the headlines arising from these polls - despite positive movements for the Labs and mostly negative movements for the Libs, they are mostly focusing on the negatives for the Labs instead of the Libs!

Go figure, eh!?

Meantime, here's some actual figures missing from the OP...which also had a more honest headline than most...


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Boost for Gillard after week of chaos October 17, 2011 [...] As well as the small jump in support for Labor, Ms Gillard fared well personally while Mr Abbott's personal standing fell. Ms Gillard's rating as preferred prime minister rose 4 points to 44 per cent and Mr Abbott's stayed steady at 48 per cent. Ms Gillard's approval rating rose 1 point to 33 per cent while her disapproval was steady at 62 per cent. Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey. Mr Turnbull has much stronger support among Greens and Labor voters. Mr Rudd is preferred as leader by 61 per cent of voters compared with 30 per cent for Ms Gillard. In a match-up against Mr Smith, Mr Rudd leads by 60 per cent to 29 per cent. In a match-up between Ms Gillard and Mr Smith, Ms Gillard leads by 44 per cent to 40 per cent. Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azTVWuRY

If Gillard had stuck true to her values and not caved in, I could have at least admired her for her integrity no matter how incompetent she is. But she sold herself out to be Bob Brown's puppet. That makes her worse than incompetent - it makes her pathetically weak. That isn't a quality that anyone would want in a PM.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:21am:

wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:16am: Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition,  The Worst Ever . Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government. Plus,  when you strip away all the spin and emotive language ,  focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved? No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called. For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans ,  he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except  to be an attraction for a weak minded Media. True, but he's managed to bring the agenda over to his side. I still don't know how he's done it, but it's masterful politics. He has made Labor follow his every move, but he's kept the focus on their ineptitude. It really is genius. Why would the Libs up and change to Turnbull, a man most of them hate?

So, is it fair to say;

In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric .

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:48am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:21am: wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:16am: Just finished reading an article calling the Opposition,  The Worst Ever . Which brings it to the current Coalition opposition.To date they have not been able to stop a single piece of legislation going through the parliament of this supposedly “do nothing” government. Plus,  when you strip away all the spin and emotive language ,  focus on the facts, what have they actually achieved? No Government ministers have been stood down, no politicians have been sacked, no legislation has been amended in their favour, no legislation has been blocked and most importantly no early election has been called. For all Abbott’s bluster and slogans ,  he has yet to do anything at all in this Parliament , except  to be an attraction for a weak minded Media. True, but he's managed to bring the agenda over to his side. I still don't know how he's done it, but it's masterful politics. He has made Labor follow his every move, but he's kept the focus on their ineptitude. It really is genius. Why would the Libs up and change to Turnbull, a man most of them hate? So, is it fair to say; In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric .

so Labor is thriving on abbotts ineptitude...WOW theres me thinking the 29% think its because of the govts amazing ability to run this country...

not so its all because of the lousy opposition..WOW again..

funny how they never take a look at the independents just to prove who is actually running the show?????

I mean she gets their vote before anything is taken to the govt...who would have thought they would have voted for MALAYSIA???

we knew of course the greens wouldnt.... but the indies.. well we shall never know shall we?..she doesnt want us to know.. she thinks we are idiots.. I hate that...

but keep on  rubbishing the opposition... seems to me they are doing a better job than labor did for 12 years...but lets not go there.

who will ever forget latham..cringe worthy.

So, is it fair to say;

In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric
Yes, but you have to give them creidt, they're very good at it.

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

So, is it fair to say; In short, this Opposition has “apparently” thrived on mindless negativity, fear-mongering, empty slogans and poisonous rhetoric Yes, but you have to give them creidt, they're very good at it.

Working families, working families, working families. How many times did we hear that empty slogan in Labors election campaign?

Another interesting take from an article I was just reading. I leave it with you;

'How can Abbott’s Liberals be called “conservative” or “pro-business” after this?
Posted on 15 October, 2011 by Jeremy| 6 Comment

They call themselves “conservatives”, but they’re trashing one of the most cherished, long-standing and critical traditions of government in Australia – that citizens and business can work with Australian governments because when, as is inevitable in a democracy, that party eventually loses power, its successor will honour the previous government’s commitments.

But Tony Abbott doesn’t like that tradition. He’d rather a system where businesses are punished by the Liberal Party for working with any other government. Where businesses have to choose whether to sabotage themselves now, under the Labor government, by not arranging their business to work best under the carbon price arrangement – or work with the government of the day and then, if Abbott becomes Prime Minister, have their investments declared worthless.

If you dare participate in this scheme, says Tony Abbott – we will do everything in our power to ensure you get nothing.'

I bet Gillard would love these lows

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious.

I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

It's taken 6 months for Gillard to gain 1%

Bring on Xmas  2012 and it wouldn't make a difference 8-)

Maqqa wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:30am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. It's taken 6 months for Gillard to gain 1% Bring on Xmas  2012 and it wouldn't make a difference 8-)

What happens at Xmas 2012?

Some of the truly bonehead in-denial comments in this thread are breathtaking.

The coalitions PRIMARY vote has risen to 51% and labor has risen to 29%. on what planet are these good polls for labor and bad polls for abbott?  Many of you dont seem to get the significant of getting over 50% of the vote. that is a CLEAR MAJORITY without reference to any other parties. If carried across every electorate (it wont tho) the coalition would win  150 out of 150 seats.

These current polls could see labor lose as many as 40 seats or more. While you lot are commenting on prefrerred PM figures - a figure that is irrelevant - you are ignoring the train wreck heading your way.

The next election is shaping up to be worse than whitlam by quite a margin.

and you lot are happy??

weird.

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing.

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing.

nice troll but no cigar, you'll be proven wrong just like you always are.

FriYAY wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 9:35am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:14am: FriYAY wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 9:05am: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:56am: Labor's minority status has made it take decisions it would never have dreamed of before. We now have a carbon tax and onshore processing. Satire with out knowledge = ?? not sure? Garbage? You think? Labor came in with no climate change policy and a vague stance of offshore processing. It played the small target, based on internal polling and focus groups. When it became a minority government, I thought we'd see government grind to a halt. I thought we'd see no policies of any substance enacted. I thought government would be a mere stamp for the public service. And yet, the Greens and independants have forced them to act - at a huge cost to Labor. Where previously, Labor would have been happy to feed refugees to the sharks and do nothing about climate change - their policy was a white paper, a conference, and wait for something to happen. However, Labor have been made, by forces akin to nature, to act. You don't see that happen very often. All I see is a minority government trying to stay in power by bowing to parties and independents SFA of us voted for. I am sure many in the ALP wanted exactly what has happened, carbon tax and on shore processing. The right factions not so much. But both have been well and truly on the radar, starting with Rudd.

You got it. All of us voted for an ETS in 2007. Rudd's stance was to just keep quiet about boat arrivals and hope it would all go away.

I'm sure if Alan Jones and the Telegraph ran campaigns on bringing back the death penalty, people would be screaming about that too.

As Howard loved to say, government is about making decisions that can be unpopular, but are in the nation's interests.

I'm not really sure why the carbon tax is so unpopular. Households are being compensated. The changes will be miniscule. This is a tax on polluters, not households - and I'm above the tax threshold for compensation anyway so I'll be slugged more than most.

I'll hazzard a guess: Alan Jones and the Telegraph. Tony Abbott is riding a "grassroots" protest movement started by them. I agree with Gillard: it's the CSIRO or Alan. She's picked the CSIRO, something she never would have done if she had her own way. It took the Greens and independants to make her do it.

If you don't think global warming is a reality, I can see why you'd be a tad annoyed. But it will hardly effect you anyway. Onshore processing? You'll never notice the difference. We had this back in the 80s when the Vietnamese boat arrivals were coming. No one was too concerned then.

We're taking in numbers that we'd be taking in anyway. No major political party is talking about cutting the refugee intake. In fact, Labor and Liberal (Abbott, in particular) have both discussed raising the quota.

The Right faction of the ALP is about "whatever it takes" to stay in power. It was this faction that ousted Rudd. It is this faction that is poisoning politics with its ethical compass driven solely by polling. If they continue to have their way, Alan Jones might as well be PM.

Alan was the one, if you remember, who thought Gillard was great because she took on the teachers' unions. In a roundabout way, it was his say-so that got her in.

Democracy in this country is not about the "silent majority". It's about swinging voters in marginal seats. Sometimes governments should act without this minority in mind. Sure, they can throw them a few scraps every now and then when elections come around - but they've wised up to this tactic. It doesn't work as well after Howard overdosed them on middle class welfare.

Mind you, none of this will get Gillard or Labor back in. If they had have done all this back when Rudd was in - and explained it well - they'd have had a chance. They should have captured the momentum when they had it, and they should have made the tough decisions. If you believe the polls, it's what the majority of people wanted them to do anyway.

But they blew it when Rudd went back on the ETS, and they blew it when they knifed Rudd. They are now seen as a party without a heart, a narrative, and a majority in parliament who must bend to the whims of others.

Not to mention competance. Still, a little incompetance is something people forgive if you can show you've got ticker.

The ALP have showed spinelessness from day one, and this comes down to the politics of its Right faction.

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:24pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:22pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing. nice troll but no cigar, you'll be proven wrong just like you always are.

I understand you are intimidated by Abbotts mastery of his job and the way he took the coalition from 16points down to 23% UP, but that is still no reason to be quite so silly. IN fact, not one single analyst is pointing to Abbott being replaced and for good reason. HE IS WINNING AND INCREASING HIS MARGIN.

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not one single analyst is pointing to Abbott being replaced and for good reason. HE IS WINNING AND INCREASING HIS MARGIN

Oh magoo, you've done it again, thanks for proving my point, longy, I can always depend on you to make a fool of yourself. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader.



OH, and this

On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader





Yep increasing his margin ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You give far too much weight to that poll question. Not many people like any politician and only when they govern do you find true sentiment but still probably a bit over or under rated. Of course that would not be your opinion so go ahead and hold onto a false premise.

If I was asked who I prefer to be PM, I think of the party 1st, person 2nd regardless who the person was.

Take Howard for instance. Before governing, I would have put him last. Now I would put him first, after thinking of the party he belonged to..

Take Rudd. He was on such a high before anyone knew how he would/could govern. Boy were they wrong about the Dudd.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:37pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You give far too much weight to that poll question. Not many people like any politician and only when they govern do you find true sentiment but still probably a bit over or under rated. Of course that would not be your opinion so go ahead and hold onto a false premise. If I was asked who I prefer to be PM, I think of the party 1st, person 2nd regardless who the person was. Take Howard for instance. Before governing, I would have put him last. Now I would put him first, after thinking of the party he belonged to..

You make the mistake of thinking everyone thinks like you, MANY people including MANY posters here would vote for the coalition if they changed just one thing, ABBOTT.

I'd vote for the Nazi party if Turnbull would be my fuhrer.

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:37pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You give far too much weight to that poll question. Not many people like any politician and only when they govern do you find true sentiment but still probably a bit over or under rated. Of course that would not be your opinion so go ahead and hold onto a false premise. If I was asked who I prefer to be PM, I think of the party 1st, person 2nd regardless who the person was. Take Howard for instance. Before governing, I would have put him last. Now I would put him first, after thinking of the party he belonged to.. Take Rudd. He was on such a high before anyone knew how he would/could govern. Boy were they wrong about the Dudd. You make the mistake of thinking everyone thinks like you, MANY people including MANY posters here would vote for the coalition if they changed just one thing, ABBOTT.

But in a time when it mattered, maybe it would be something to think about. Last election would have been a good time to think about it as it was known that the election was going to go close to 50 50. But even then it is only a consideration, not a given.

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:24pm: longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:22pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and you are a political science student???? good grief. you lack of understanding of political fundamentals is amazing. nice troll but no cigar, you'll be proven wrong just like you always are. I understand you are intimidated by Abbotts mastery of his job and the way he took the coalition from 16points down to 23% UP, but that is still no reason to be quite so silly. IN fact, not one single analyst is pointing to Abbott being replaced and for good reason. HE IS WINNING AND INCREASING HIS MARGIN.

Thank the Greens and their determination to introduce the CT, less so Abbott.

GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:25am:

If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa.

hmmm.., the trend is labor up ONE and liberals up THREE. you sure you want this trend to continue?

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 12:44pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 12:37pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: GoddyofOz wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:25am: If this trend continues to the point where they hit parity again, the silence of vocal members like Maqqa and Progs would be hilarious. I know what I want for Christmas, Santa. You can already see they are worried, I'm not surprised, if Abbott is going backwards against the worst polling PM in history how bad is he? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I dont think Gillard will survive until the next election, but I'm CERTAIN Abbott wont. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D You give far too much weight to that poll question. Not many people like any politician and only when they govern do you find true sentiment but still probably a bit over or under rated. Of course that would not be your opinion so go ahead and hold onto a false premise. If I was asked who I prefer to be PM, I think of the party 1st, person 2nd regardless who the person was. Take Howard for instance. Before governing, I would have put him last. Now I would put him first, after thinking of the party he belonged to.. You make the mistake of thinking everyone thinks like you, MANY people including MANY posters here would vote for the coalition if they changed just one thing, ABBOTT.

we dont need your vote. we already have a clear majority (51%) of the voters. you stay voting for either of the other clowns.

Polls, smoles.

When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott.

He's got too much baggage.

If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:

Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment.

You are severely underestimating Australians' capacity for hate.

They'll vote in Abbott to get rid of Gillard - easy. I know it's hard to comprehend an Abbott government, but we might as well start trying.

skippy. wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:44am:

Quote: THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today. The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s. The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.   The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith. Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard. But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change. Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader. On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. ;D ;D ;D

Laugh away, last time I heard Turnbull was still in yesterdays fish 'n' chip wrappers.
I also heard it's not Groundhog Day.
Labor and yourself will have to be content with Abbott using the incompetent red haired beanpole upside down as a floor mop. :)

For the life of me, after all the 'lies and 'wrecking' Abbott has done. I don't understand how ANY one could 'trust' him.

For One example ; People against the carbon tax are silly enough to NOT question Abbott cost to them ?

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:22pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:19pm: Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment. You are severely underestimating Australians' capacity for hate. They'll vote in Abbott to get rid of Gillard - easy. I know it's hard to comprehend an Abbott government, but we might as well start trying.

Sure we brought in Howard because we hated Keating.  We brought in Rudd because we hated Howard, but both Rudd and Howard had a semblence of statesman-ship about them.

I just dont see us voting on mass for a nasty piece of work who has achieved nothing.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:19pm: Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment. You are severely underestimating Australians' capacity for hate. They'll vote in Abbott to get rid of Gillard - easy. I know it's hard to comprehend an Abbott government, but we might as well start trying. Sure we brought in Howard because we hated Keating.  We brought in Rudd because we hated Howard, but both Rudd and Howard had a semblence of statesman-ship about them. I just dont see us voting on mass for a nasty piece of work who has achieved nothing.

Statemanship is something you learn on the job. Howard didn't have any of that before he got in. And Rudd?

He speaks good Mandarin, I guess.

Abbott will learn how to inspect the troops and put his feet up on the desk like a real PM. I'm not sure how he'll eradicate that meanness though.

However, he does seem to be working on it.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:19pm: Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment. You are severely underestimating Australians' capacity for hate. They'll vote in Abbott to get rid of Gillard - easy. I know it's hard to comprehend an Abbott government, but we might as well start trying. Sure we brought in Howard because we hated Keating.  We brought in Rudd because we hated Howard, but both Rudd and Howard had a semblence of statesman-ship about them. I just dont see us voting on mass for a nasty piece of work who has achieved nothing.

Nasty piece of work achieving nothing in government. That is why she is refered to as the worst PM in history. Gillard has achieved one thing though. To pizz off the Australian people.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:59pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:52pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:19pm: Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment. You are severely underestimating Australians' capacity for hate. They'll vote in Abbott to get rid of Gillard - easy. I know it's hard to comprehend an Abbott government, but we might as well start trying. Sure we brought in Howard because we hated Keating.  We brought in Rudd because we hated Howard, but both Rudd and Howard had a semblence of statesman-ship about them. I just dont see us voting on mass for a nasty piece of work who has achieved nothing. Nasty piece of work achieving nothing in government. That is why she is refered to as the worst PM in history. Gillard has achieved one thing though. To pizz off the Australian people.

Let me quote a headline I was just reading By
Michelle Grattan

Things could get bloody if Abbott abandoned carbon oath

Oh, I'm sure Abbott will find a way to wash that blood off his hands.

Who's going to whinge if he doesn't? Alan Jones? The Telegraph?

As Bob Hawke said of the left in the 1980s, "where are they going to go?"

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:10pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:59pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:52pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:19pm: Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment. You are severely underestimating Australians' capacity for hate. They'll vote in Abbott to get rid of Gillard - easy. I know it's hard to comprehend an Abbott government, but we might as well start trying. Sure we brought in Howard because we hated Keating.  We brought in Rudd because we hated Howard, but both Rudd and Howard had a semblence of statesman-ship about them. I just dont see us voting on mass for a nasty piece of work who has achieved nothing. Nasty piece of work achieving nothing in government. That is why she is refered to as the worst PM in history. Gillard has achieved one thing though. To pizz off the Australian people. Let me quote a headline I was just reading By Michelle Grattan Things could get bloody if Abbott abandoned carbon oath

And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:17pm:

And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry.

Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax.

Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:20pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm: And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry. Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax. Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises.

Exactly.  
If you think the people are polar bears now progressivelol, they may turn into brown bears by the time Abbott 'lied' to them. After all,  it is about the lie , isnt it?

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:20pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm: And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry. Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax. Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises. Exactly.   If you think the people are polar bears now progressivelol, they may turn into brown bears by the time Abbott 'lied' to them. After all,  it is about the lie , isnt it?

I am sure he/liberals will get what is coming to them, just like Gillard/labor/greens/indies is getting theirs.

I will be the first to jump on his throat. That will have to remain to be seen, so what is the point of speculating as there is no other option than to believe him.

I highly doubt he will do nothing after the election will be fought on it. Gillard is the one who would do something like that. Abbott, not so much.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:20pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm: And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry. Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax. Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises. Exactly.   If you think the people are polar bears now progressivelol, they may turn into brown bears by the time Abbott 'lied' to them. After all,  it is about the lie , isnt it? I am sure he/liberals will get what is coming to them, just like Gillard/labor/greens/indies is getting theirs. I will be the first to jump on his throat. That will have to remain to be seen, so what is the point of speculating as there is no other option than to believe him. I highly doubt he will do nothing after the election will be fought on it. Gillard is the one who would do something like that. Abbott, not so much.

Well , that is yet to be seen. Past history has shown Abbott to lie and go back on pledges and oaths...


For me however I will NOT be  fooled twice by the same person.

The passion of Fundamentalists is dedicated to the Church, not the country, which is why Abbott will never be a Statesmen.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:19pm:

Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment.

Such classic denial... I love it. the next election is gonna cause you great pain!

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 1:40pm:

For the life of me, after all the 'lies and 'wrecking' Abbott has done. I don't understand how ANY one could 'trust' him. For One example ; People against the carbon tax are silly enough to NOT question Abbott cost to them ?

ABBOTTS LIES??? now that is just another bit of classic denial. Gillard is a serial liar and you point the finger to someone else.  you are going to hate election night.

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:37pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:27pm: wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:20pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm: And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry. Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax. Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises. Exactly.   If you think the people are polar bears now progressivelol, they may turn into brown bears by the time Abbott 'lied' to them. After all,  it is about the lie , isnt it? I am sure he/liberals will get what is coming to them, just like Gillard/labor/greens/indies is getting theirs. I will be the first to jump on his throat. That will have to remain to be seen, so what is the point of speculating as there is no other option than to believe him. I highly doubt he will do nothing after the election will be fought on it. Gillard is the one who would do something like that. Abbott, not so much. Well , that is yet to be seen. Past history has shown Abbott to lie and go back on pledges and oaths... For me however I will NOT be  fooled twice by the same person.

and instead, you vote for Gillard whose capacity for lying is almost inextinguishable.

you are going to hate election night.
I cant wait until its here, I'm so over the whiny little bitches telling us how great its going to be, they must have sad lives, whining and bitching and living for the next election on the faint hope they may again be in gov.Imagine living your entire life like that? so far the likes of longwhine have had to live through two election defeats and at this stage probably 6 years, if he whines for long enough his time will come,surely?

Most swinging voters don't swing on policies they swing out of boredom. If the Gillard government hangs on till the next election date they'll win.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 2:27pm:

wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:20pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm: And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry. Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax. Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises. Exactly.   If you think the people are polar bears now progressivelol, they may turn into brown bears by the time Abbott 'lied' to them. After all,  it is about the lie , isnt it? I am sure he/liberals will get what is coming to them, just like Gillard/labor/greens/indies is getting theirs. I will be the first to jump on his throat. That will have to remain to be seen, so what is the point of speculating as there is no other option than to believe him.

Well, there is, but it seems that you'd prefer to see him as the messiah.

Grey wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:15pm:

Most swinging voters don't swing on policies they swing out of boredom. If the Gillard government hangs on till the next election date they'll win.

Dunno about that. I'm a swinging voter. I have at various times over the years given my first preference to Labor, Libs and Greens. Not out of boredom, I can assure you!

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:20pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:27pm: wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:24pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:20pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 2:17pm: And. What is that suppose to mean. Polar bears are gtting hungry. Michelle Grattan is under the mistaken illusion that people will get a bit cross when straight Tony doesn't repeal the carbon tax. Amazing, isn't it? She places such faith in Australians' ability to hate their leaders when they go back on their promises. Exactly.   If you think the people are polar bears now progressivelol, they may turn into brown bears by the time Abbott 'lied' to them. After all,  it is about the lie , isnt it? I am sure he/liberals will get what is coming to them, just like Gillard/labor/greens/indies is getting theirs. I will be the first to jump on his throat. That will have to remain to be seen, so what is the point of speculating as there is no other option than to believe him. Well, there is, but it seems that you'd prefer to see him as the messiah.

If he is the messiah, then so be it because all the rest of the choices are absolutely pathetic.

You haven't thought of voting Green?

They managed to get in a carbon tax and onshore processing, you know. Next cab off the rank is pokie leglislation.

Gist wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:22pm:

Grey wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:15pm: Most swinging voters don't swing on policies they swing out of boredom. If the Gillard government hangs on till the next election date they'll win. Dunno about that. I'm a swinging voter. I have at various times over the years given my first preference to Labor, Libs and Greens. Not out of boredom, I can assure you!

Oh I'm sure you believe that... ;D

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:29pm:

You haven't thought of voting Green? They managed to get in a carbon tax and onshore processing, you know. Next cab off the rank is pokie leglislation.

lol, yeh like I said, absolutely pathetic.  :(

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:29pm: You haven't thought of voting Green? They managed to get in a carbon tax and onshore processing, you know. Next cab off the rank is pokie leglislation. lol, yeh like I said, absolutely pathetic.  :(

There's the decriminalisation of pot. Not interested?

Here's a good one: animal welfare.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:37pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:29pm: You haven't thought of voting Green? They managed to get in a carbon tax and onshore processing, you know. Next cab off the rank is pokie leglislation. lol, yeh like I said, absolutely pathetic.  :( There's the decriminalisation of pot. Not interested?

We got enough leftist hippes left over from the 60's.

Well, who knows? They might change leaders and get rid of the carbon tax idea.

They might support Tony's idea for banning women in the workplace.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:40pm:

Here's a good one: animal welfare.

im not paying for those bludging koalas - get out of yer gumtrees and get a job you lazy f*cks

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:04pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 1:19pm: Polls, smoles. When push comes to shove mid-field voters wont vote for Abbott. He's got too much baggage. If Gillard stays on the election, then we'll probably in for another hung parliment. Such classic denial... I love it. the next election is gonna cause you great pain!

Poor guy, all you've got is the hope something might happen in the future. If you have such faith in modelling the future, you'd be convince of co2 problems.

I guess some models you like, some you dont.
;D

Perhaps they'll go with the newly revamped Workchoices?

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:40pm: Here's a good one: animal welfare. im not paying for those bludging koalas - get out of yer gumtrees and get a job you lazy f*cks

Yes - straight Tony's done a preference deal with the Hunters and Shooters. He wants them all culled and sold off to China for the skins.

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:44pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:40pm: Here's a good one: animal welfare. im not paying for those bludging koalas - get out of yer gumtrees and get a job you lazy f*cks

But they are so cute and they get the dollars in from the Japanese tourists. If only the beach bum dole bludgers could be so cute as a koala.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:48pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:44pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:40pm: Here's a good one: animal welfare. im not paying for those bludging koalas - get out of yer gumtrees and get a job you lazy f*cks But they are so cute and they get the dollars in from the Japenese tourists.

A bit like the Great Barrier Reef, but Tony's not having a bar of it.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:49pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:48pm: barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:44pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:40pm: Here's a good one: animal welfare. im not paying for those bludging koalas - get out of yer gumtrees and get a job you lazy f*cks But they are so cute and they get the dollars in from the Japenese tourists. A bit like the Great Barrier Reef, but Tony's not having a bar of it.

It will be dead soon because a failed climate model said so. Hang on, if it is failed, maybe the b-reef will survive. Never mind.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:52pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:49pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:48pm: barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:44pm: Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 4:40pm: Here's a good one: animal welfare. im not paying for those bludging koalas - get out of yer gumtrees and get a job you lazy f*cks But they are so cute and they get the dollars in from the Japenese tourists. A bit like the Great Barrier Reef, but Tony's not having a bar of it. It will be dead soon because a failed climate model said so. Hang on, if it is failed, maybe the b-reef will survive. Never mind.

You think? Did Piers Ackerman find a new scientist who doesn't believe in climate change?

That's number 4 on his list.

I expect we'll be hearing a lot from them. Conferences, book tours, interviews on Lateline, adoring chirps from Alan and all those Sunday Telegraph columns.

The Great Barrier Reef will still get to die. It won't be the fault of climate change, of course, but a strange, unaccountable phenomenon - an act of God.

What can you do? Straight Tony will look sad, but you can't change the will of God, that much we know.

i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live.

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:00pm:

i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live.

We know we get most of our attitudes from America, especially the Liberal party & media, so forget America.
And if the up and coming Chinese middle class adopt the (apparently)Australian attitiude of "Stuff that we aren't doing Sh!t until X does"well go see the reef in the next couple of years, because that mysterious virus that Karnal speaks of is definately on it's way.

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:00pm:

i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live.

Good point, Cliff. What do you think, Progressive? Should Tony wait for the US and China?

It'd be strange if he did and they then went and DID something, wouldn't it? He might have to go back on a blood oath, something straight Tony takes very seriously indeed.

Oh, well. Let's hope nothing happens and it was all a bad dream. Tony can put the carbon tax money into important things like baby bonuses and tax cuts for stay at home mums.

Tony has made it obvious that he wants Australia to go back to old way of doing things..DONT DO ANYTHING UNTIL EVERY OTHER COUNTRY HAS DONE IT!
Abbott is a follower, an opportunist and a coward..he is not and has never been a leader.

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:00pm:

i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live.

The reef will live, then climate will change. It is called natural migration. Look at history to find where migrations have taken place in the past.

adelcrow wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

Tony has made it obvious that he wants Australia to go back to old way of doing things..DONT DO ANYTHING UNTIL EVERY OTHER COUNTRY HAS DONE IT! Abbott is a follower, an opportunist and a coward..he is not and has never been a leader.

No, he just isn't a knee jerk reactor(an idiot) and he is doing something. He just isn't being led by a fake consencus of crappy scientists.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:49pm: Tony has made it obvious that he wants Australia to go back to old way of doing things..DONT DO ANYTHING UNTIL EVERY OTHER COUNTRY HAS DONE IT! Abbott is a follower, an opportunist and a coward..he is not and has never been a leader. No, he just isn't a knee jerk reactor(an idiot) and he is doing something. He just isn't being led by a fake consencus of crappy scientists.

So true..he would rather take advice from a few uneducated shock jocks than the worlds most respected climate scientists  ;D
But hang on..news flash, the carbon tax was Tony Abbotts idea in the first place  ;D

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:00pm: i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live. The reef will live, then climate will change. It is called natural migration. Look at history to find where migrations have taken place in the past.

That's a real relief, Progressive. I'm glad Tony's putting his money on the science of natural migration. That will save industry from having to switch to natural gas and carbon sequestration and all those other useless things the Liberals want to pay them to do. What a waste of money!

Perhaps he should use his influence as leader to get the Libs to do nothing. Maybe Alan should sit him down for a man to man talk on natural migration.

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 6:04pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:49pm: barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:00pm: i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live. The reef will live, then climate will change. It is called natural migration. Look at history to find where migrations have taken place in the past. That's a real relief, Progressive. I'm glad Tony's putting his money on the science of natural migration. That will save industry from having to switch to natural gas and carbon sequestration and all those other useless things the Liberals want to pay them to do. What a waste of money! Perhaps he should use his influence as leader to get the Libs to do nothing. Maybe Alan should sit him down for a man to man talk on natural migration.

He would have to get you off Alan first, but sure if Alan knows any scientist to chalk up a conversation, then why not.

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 6:21pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 6:04pm: progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:49pm: barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:00pm: i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live. The reef will live, then climate will change. It is called natural migration. Look at history to find where migrations have taken place in the past. That's a real relief, Progressive. I'm glad Tony's putting his money on the science of natural migration. That will save industry from having to switch to natural gas and carbon sequestration and all those other useless things the Liberals want to pay them to do. What a waste of money! Perhaps he should use his influence as leader to get the Libs to do nothing. Maybe Alan should sit him down for a man to man talk on natural migration. He would have to get you off Alan first, but sure if Alan knows any scientist to chalk up a conversation, then why not.

That's a really good idea, Progressive, because Tony keeps saying things like "human induced climate change" as if he really believes in it. I think we need to sit him down with Alan and Lord Moncton or whoever and reaaly make him understand the facts.

There's a real danger that he might get in and try to do something about it. You never know, he might change his mind and try to keep the carbon tax!

Grey wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 4:15pm:

Most swinging voters don't swing on policies they swing out of boredom. If the Gillard government hangs on till the next election date they'll win.

Im sure when you wrote this it made sense in your head. Bu out here on the screen, it looks beyond idiotic.

adelcrow wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

Tony has made it obvious that he wants Australia to go back to old way of doing things..DONT DO ANYTHING UNTIL EVERY OTHER COUNTRY HAS DONE IT! Abbott is a follower, an opportunist and a coward..he is not and has never been a leader.

You clearly dont have much of an idea on what leadership is.  it isnt about being 'first'. it is about being courageous and adventurous and it is also about being CORRECT.

Being first and being wrong isnt leadership. its just embarrassing.

Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent.

These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed.

The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey.


http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/sweating-blood.html

I fin d is really interesting longy that the left have such an interest in an untried PM Abbott abd even Turnbull for that matter...

and almost NO interest in a tried and tested PM like gillard!!!!!

does that strike you as weird??

everyone of them has an opinion on Abbott for PM.. all bad of course... [which is their main hope]..

but barely a word on gillard AS PM. they struggle to find the superlatives to blind us with...... ;D incredible!..

can you imagine when the Libs get back in  ;)

they definately wont be concentrating on the appalling opposition it will be all about every little niggle they can find on the Govt....ho hum..

I could understand it if this lot were a govt governing for the people

instead its all about self preservation...

trading people with MALAYSIA>>. SH!T!!!!!! :'( >:(

I think they'd rather have an incompetent buffoon Labor PM than a competent Coalition PM - no matter what the cost.

wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 10:00pm:

Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/sweating-blood.html

Abbott could well be dumped before Gillard, but one thing is now certain, Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election.Who will the Abbott congo line of suckholes support then?? will they be hypocrites and support Turnbull? after telling us for months he is nothing but a Labor stooge, of course they will. ;D ;D ;D

Karnal wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 6:04pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:49pm: barnaby joe wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 5:00pm: i don't think we can do much. i'm more banking on the united states and china doing something if we really want the reef to live. The reef will live, then climate will change. It is called natural migration. Look at history to find where migrations have taken place in the past. That's a real relief, Progressive. I'm glad Tony's putting his money on the science of natural migration. That will save industry from having to switch to natural gas and carbon sequestration and all those other useless things the Liberals want to pay them to do. What a waste of money! Perhaps he should use his influence as leader to get the Libs to do nothing. Maybe Alan should sit him down for a man to man talk on natural migration.

Ahh, the little known field of science known as "natural migration".  
What a relief indeed.
Why did no one think of this?.  Coral reefs are just like migratory birds.

skippy. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 7:30am:

wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:00pm: Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/sweating-blood.html Abbott could well be dumped before Gillard, but one thing is now certain, Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election.Who will the Abbott congo line of suckholes support then?? will they be hypocrites and support Turnbull? after telling us for months he is nothing but a Labor stooge, of course they will. ;D ;D ;D

Julia bishop has recently had a make over.

All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour.

As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.  
Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses.

Polls slip, Abbott gone.

skippy. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 7:30am:

wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:00pm: Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/sweating-blood.html Abbott could well be dumped before Gillard, but one thing is now certain, Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election.Who will the Abbott congo line of suckholes support then?? will they be hypocrites and support Turnbull? after telling us for months he is nothing but a Labor stooge, of course they will. ;D ;D ;D

Still dreaming after all this time skip. :)
The morning after the next Federal election, you will wake up only to see Prime Minister Abbott smiling and laughing on Sunrise talking to Mel and Kochie.
You know this will happen, you just need to learn to accept destiny.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone.

I know one thing Abbott  has got. A hell of a lot of 'angry' people with 'big' expectations riding on him. And they maybe  less patient, so they are showing.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:04am:

skippy. wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 7:30am: wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:00pm: Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/sweating-blood.html Abbott could well be dumped before Gillard, but one thing is now certain, Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election.Who will the Abbott congo line of suckholes support then?? will they be hypocrites and support Turnbull? after telling us for months he is nothing but a Labor stooge, of course they will. ;D ;D ;D Still dreaming after all this time skip. :) The morning after the next Federal election, you will wake up only to see Prime Minister Abbott smiling and laughing on Sunrise talking to Mel and Kochie. You know this will happen, you just need to learn to accept destiny.

You cant even get that right,chook, Mel and  Kochie dont work on Sunday.

wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:06am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. I know one thing Abbott  has got. A hell of a lot of 'angry' people with 'big' expectations riding on him. And they maybe  less patient, so they are showing.

why are the people angry veg.... what are they angry about??????

cods wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:13am:

wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. I know one thing Abbott  has got. A hell of a lot of 'angry' people with 'big' expectations riding on him. And they maybe  less patient, so they are showing. why are the people angry veg.... what are they angry about??????

Well firstly  Carbon tax , and Liars. so Abbott has to repell the carbon tax, and not lie.

skippy. wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:11am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:04am: skippy. wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 7:30am: wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 10:00pm: Mr Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. These are his worst ratings since becoming Opposition Leader on December 1, 2009, and are similar to numbers experienced by Mr Turnbull just before he was deposed. The poll finds 44 per cent of voters back Mr Turnbull as Coalition leader compared with 28 per cent for Mr Abbott and 23 per cent for Mr Hockey. http://andrewelder.blogspot.com/2011/10/sweating-blood.html Abbott could well be dumped before Gillard, but one thing is now certain, Abbott will not lead the Libs to the next election.Who will the Abbott congo line of suckholes support then?? will they be hypocrites and support Turnbull? after telling us for months he is nothing but a Labor stooge, of course they will. ;D ;D ;D Still dreaming after all this time skip. :) The morning after the next Federal election, you will wake up only to see Prime Minister Abbott smiling and laughing on Sunrise talking to Mel and Kochie. You know this will happen, you just need to learn to accept destiny. You cant even get that right,chook, Mel and  Kochie dont work on Sunday.

No they don't do they. :)
Good point skip.
No doubt Tony will be happy to wait till Monday.
After all, why waste all his happiness and exuberance on Andrew O'Keeffe and Samantha.

wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:20am:

cods wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:13am: wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:06am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. I know one thing Abbott  has got. A hell of a lot of 'angry' people with 'big' expectations riding on him. And they maybe  less patient, so they are showing. why are the people angry veg.... what are they angry about?????? Well firstly  Carbon tax , and Liars. so Abbott has to repell the carbon tax, and not lie.

I dont think its the actual carbon tax people are angry about, its about the lie itself.

The carbon tax itself I dont lose too much sleep on, its Gillards inability to be honest at any stage over the last 18 months that has so many people peeved.

Sooner Smith or Rudd is PM the better, this clown is bringing the house into disrepute.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 8:03am:

All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone.

Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one.

Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is.

It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay.

The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all.

Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down.

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 10:13am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down.

You're fooling for Gillards master plan.  By her own actions of pushing off-shore processing to the limits, she has effectively killed it as a viable option.  At the same time undermining any way Abbott can reproduce Howards policy.  Therefore he can no longer say "stop the boats" because he cant just do what howard did anymore.

This is political manourvering at its highest level. Gillard has played the liberals like a dusty banjo. She can now implement on-shore processing (the labor left's prefered solution) convincing the public that she tried off-shore and couldnt.

Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:13am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down. You're fooling for Gillards master plan.  By her own actions of pushing off-shore processing to the limits, she has effectively killed it as a viable option.  At the same time undermining any way Abbott can reproduce Howards policy.  Therefore he can no longer say "stop the boats" because he cant just do what howard did anymore. This is political manourvering at its highest level. Gillard has played the liberals like a dusty banjo. She can now implement on-shore processing (the labor left's prefered solution) convincing the public that she tried off-shore and couldnt. Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular.

Dr Jolly, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you really are kidding. The Labor Right wanted offshore processing, and they put Gillard in power.

They've been playing Gillard like a dusty banjo.

It was the left in caucus that stopped offshore processing, and their advice that Gillard could not possibly go with Nairu because she had opposed it for so long.

And how could she?

How is this possibly a master plan? Gillard was still discussing this with cabinet on the day of the vote in parliament. In other words, she had no plan whatsoever.

Why do you think Labor are so frustrated with the cabinet leaks? It proves Gillard's complete lack of a plan.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:13am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down. Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular.

Being a blathering red haired souless godless unmarried barren inept incompetent witch having nothing in common with the majority of families raising children in the suburbs hasn't helped her popularity one bit either.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:22am: Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:13am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down. Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular. Being a blathering red haired souless godless unmarried barren inept incompetent witch having nothing in common with the majority of families raising children in the suburbs hasn't helped her popularity one bit either.

I think you've got a bit of a crush on our PM there Chook.
Keen to find out if the carpet matches the drapes, so to speak ;)
Only someone truly infatuated could put so many negatives into one sentence as they struggle to deny their love :-*

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:22am: Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:13am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down. You're fooling for Gillards master plan.  By her own actions of pushing off-shore processing to the limits, she has effectively killed it as a viable option.  At the same time undermining any way Abbott can reproduce Howards policy.  Therefore he can no longer say "stop the boats" because he cant just do what howard did anymore. This is political manourvering at its highest level. Gillard has played the liberals like a dusty banjo. She can now implement on-shore processing (the labor left's prefered solution) convincing the public that she tried off-shore and couldnt. Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular. Dr Jolly, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you really are kidding. The Labor Right wanted offshore processing, and they put Gillard in power. They've been playing Gillard like a dusty banjo. It was the left in caucus that stopped offshore processing, and their advice that Gillard could not possibly go with Nairu because she had opposed it for so long. And how could she? How is this possibly a master plan? Gillard was still discussing this with cabinet on the day of the vote in parliament. In other words, she had no plan whatsoever. Why do you think Labor are so frustrated with the cabinet leaks? It proves Gillard's complete lack of a plan.

Plan, or no plan, its actually worked out in labor's long term favor.
Labor has hedged its bets on both off and on shore processing.

If boats come it can soak up valuable column inches squabling with Abbott over who caused them, rather than looking directly at their policies.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 1:17pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 1:12pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:22am: Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:13am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down. Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular. Being a blathering red haired souless godless unmarried barren inept incompetent witch having nothing in common with the majority of families raising children in the suburbs hasn't helped her popularity one bit either. I think you've got a bit of a crush on our PM there Chook. Keen to find out if the carpet matches the drapes, so to speak ;) Only someone truly infatuated could put so many negatives into one sentence as they struggle to deny their love :-*

Yep, once again you caught me out smithy. :)
She's a hotty alright.
If I wasn't married I'd give her hairdresser a run for his money. ;D

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 1:31pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:48am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:22am: Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 10:13am: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 8:03am: All Abbot has got is the polls in his favour. As a member of parliment, he has the worst record of any opposition leader in our history, as far as influencing policy, and making refinements.   Quite amazing when the government doesnt have a majority in the lower or upper houses. Polls slip, Abbott gone. Are you kidding? Abbott's "stop the boats" game influenced the Malaysian solution. Gillard has been playing catch-up politics with Abbott since day one. Abbott is the best opposition leader in living memory - if you count opposing things as best, which it generally is. It's a pity Abbott has no substance to back it up, but I doubt those polls will slip too much. Abbott is here to stay. The retards will have a quick moment of jubilation when he gets in - but it will be a very shortlived pleasure - like sniffing amyl nitrate. When reality sets in, they won't be too pleased at all. Still, this is all about shadenfreud - taking pleasure in the misery of others. Right now, they're just happy watching Gillard go down. You're fooling for Gillards master plan.  By her own actions of pushing off-shore processing to the limits, she has effectively killed it as a viable option.  At the same time undermining any way Abbott can reproduce Howards policy.  Therefore he can no longer say "stop the boats" because he cant just do what howard did anymore. This is political manourvering at its highest level. Gillard has played the liberals like a dusty banjo. She can now implement on-shore processing (the labor left's prefered solution) convincing the public that she tried off-shore and couldnt. Thats why she is about 10 times smarter than Abbott. If it wasnt for her whiny voice, she'd be popular. Dr Jolly, I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you really are kidding. The Labor Right wanted offshore processing, and they put Gillard in power. They've been playing Gillard like a dusty banjo. It was the left in caucus that stopped offshore processing, and their advice that Gillard could not possibly go with Nairu because she had opposed it for so long. And how could she? How is this possibly a master plan? Gillard was still discussing this with cabinet on the day of the vote in parliament. In other words, she had no plan whatsoever. Why do you think Labor are so frustrated with the cabinet leaks? It proves Gillard's complete lack of a plan. Plan, or no plan, its actually worked out in labor's long term favor. Labor has hedged its bets on both off and on shore processing. If boats come it can soak up valuable column inches squabling with Abbott over who caused them, rather than looking directly at their policies.

Dr Jolly, do you really think the Australian and the Telegraph are going to blame Tony for this?

Do you really think that the trifling politics of this decision are going to trump each and every boat that now motors into shore?

You are a very jolly fellow.

Jolly by name, jolly by nature.

The Australian online goes behind a pay wall next week, rendering it about as influential as crickey  (ie not).

I doubt even telegraph readers take its political coverage seriously.

I see. Oh, well. Maybe Alan Jones will take pity on JuLIAR, go against his lifelong campaign for the Libs, and say how nice Labor are.

You never know. You have to be positive about these things. One must have hope...

Karnal wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 2:36pm:

I see. Oh, well. Maybe Alan Jones will take pity on JuLIAR, go against his lifelong campaign for the Libs, and say how nice Labor are. You never know. You have to be positive about these things. One must have hope...

Alan Jones, who I once suspected the user "Karnal" of being, is not as influential as he wishes he was.
Anyway, he's spent his pennies. Where do you go after the "Juliar" stuff ?

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 18^th, 2011 at 2:48pm:

Karnal wrote on Oct 18th, 2011 at 2:36pm: I see. Oh, well. Maybe Alan Jones will take pity on JuLIAR, go against his lifelong campaign for the Libs, and say how nice Labor are. You never know. You have to be positive about these things. One must have hope... Alan Jones, who I once suspected the user "Karnal" of being, is not as influential as he wishes he was. Anyway, he's spent his pennies. Where do you go after the "Juliar" stuff ?

Karnal couldn't be Alan, Karnal outed himself as being gay, not that there's anything wrong with that. :P

The only way this has worked is that we now have onshore processing - something Gillard did not want at all.

She wanted them all sent to Malaysia so she could one-up straight Tony, who takes his advice from Mario, the CEO and head chef of Lavenders, Alan Jones' favourite resturant.

Exactly. Not that there's anything wrong with it.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:48am:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:44am: Quote: THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today. The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s. The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.   The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith. Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard. But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change. Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader. On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. ;D ;D ;D A mere blip on the great mans record. I'm sure these pinko pollsters sort out you leftist scum just to discredit our savior Tony. Take your lies & foul mouths to the next Social Alliance meeting, we neither want or need your questions. We here KNOW that Tony will be great & we KNOW Gillard is Bob Browns bitch. http://www.greenleft.org.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/article-image/tony_abbott_and_the_worm.jpg What a Man!

Indeed Gillard is Bob's bitch--

and so obedient, too! When Bob snarls "Heel" she does!

Note the passing of the carbon tax while the Malaysian refugee deal was lost because Bob turned his back on her.

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Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support.

skippy. wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 12:58pm:

Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support.

The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election.

I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands.

PMSL could you imagine,
Tony's head would go beet red before bursting
It would be awesome, especially if Kerry O'Brien broke the news to him on the ABC ;D
Oh that's right he won't appear on a television station he can't spell so that leaves 7,9,10.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands.

hmm. in the last year the results were...

Libs: up 9%
Labor: down 7%
Greens: down 1%

an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there!

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there!

It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens.

Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D

wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 2:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D

Polls are based on stastics to gain a representation of the peoples voting intentions.

Polls arent based on self interest, why would you make such a silly comment.

Maybe ###### meant Poles.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 17^th, 2011 at 8:48am:

skippy. wrote on Oct 17th, 2011 at 8:44am: Quote: THE Gillard government has enjoyed a boost in support despite the chaos of last week, but it would still be trounced should an election be held today. The latest Herald/Nielsen poll finds Labor's primary vote has jumped 3 percentage points in a month to 30 per cent, a small increase but psychologically significant because it is the first time since May Labor's first preference vote has been in the 30s. The Coalition's primary vote was steady at 48 per cent, giving it a two-party-preferred lead over Labor of 57 per cent to 43 per cent.   The poll also shows Kevin Rudd remains twice as popular as preferred Labor leader compared with either Ms Gillard or the only other likely contender, Stephen Smith. Mr Smith, who is being touted by the Right to run for the leadership against Mr Rudd should Ms Gillard's reign become untenable, is almost as popular as Ms Gillard. But Mr Rudd's clear lead makes him the people's favourite, bolstering his case should Labor decide to change. Tony Abbott's approval fell 2 percentage points to 41 per cent and his disapproval rose 2 points to 54 per cent. Malcolm Turnbull remains well ahead of both Tony Abbott and Joe Hockey as preferred Liberal leader. On the downside for the Coalition, Mr Abbott's personal ratings fell to their worst levels since he became leader Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/boost-for-gillard-after-week-of-chaos-20111016-1lrma.html#ixzz1azGwaEjX It looks like phony tony is no more popular than the least popular PM of all time, BOTH are gone, with Turnbull "miles ahead" as preferred opposition leader while Abbotts numbers just keep falling. ;D ;D ;D A mere blip on the great mans record. I'm sure these pinko pollsters sort out you leftist scum just to discredit our savior Tony. Take your lies & foul mouths to the next Social Alliance meeting, we neither want or need your questions. We here KNOW that Tony will be great & we KNOW Gillard is Bob Browns bitch. http://www.greenleft.org.au/sites/default/files/imagecache/article-image/tony_abbott_and_the_worm.jpg What a Man!

About the snap of Tony presented in this post--

That's what he expressed after having to listen to JuLiar ranting about nothing for an hour.

Verge wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 2:15pm:

wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D Polls are based on stastics to gain a representation of the peoples voting intentions. Polls arent based on self interest, why would you make such a silly comment.

Polls at this time of the cycle are phone calls during the evening to people who arent actively thinking about politicis, and just give answers to get it over with asap so they can get back to masterchef.

Polling does have its place just out from an election when minds are focussed, but take with a grain of salt right now.

wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 2:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D

actually the polls are based on FACTS, something you dont seem to understand very well.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

Verge wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:15pm: wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D Polls are based on stastics to gain a representation of the peoples voting intentions. Polls arent based on self interest, why would you make such a silly comment. Polls at this time of the cycle are phone calls during the evening to people who arent actively thinking about politicis, and just give answers to get it over with asap so they can get back to masterchef. Polling does have its place just out from an election when minds are focussed, but take with a grain of salt right now.

another naive moron.

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 3:42pm:

wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D actually the polls are based on FACTS, something you dont seem to understand very well.

Are they??
Because last time I was polled the questions always started,
"If an election were held this weekend........"
So answers were based on my opinion & feelings at that particular point in time give or take a few days.
Things change.
They are called OPINION polls not FACT polls for a reason

Dsmithy70 wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 3:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 3:42pm: wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D actually the polls are based on FACTS, something you dont seem to understand very well. Are they?? Because last time I was polled the questions always started, "If an election were held this weekend........" So answers were based on my opinion & feelings at that particular point in time give or take a few days. Things change. They are called OPINION polls not FACT polls for a reason

pedantic. given that the polls are always accurate withint 1% then the poll results are quite valid. What I am objecting to is the idiocy - breathtaking idiocy - of some here who think the polls are of no value and they still predict a Gillard victory. that is just beyond stupid.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 3:04pm:

Verge wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:15pm: wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:13pm: longweekend58 wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 2:03pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 1:36pm: skippy. wrote on Oct 19th, 2011 at 12:58pm: Yes we can thank the GREENS for giving the majority of Australians what they wanted, salty breath.If it wasn't for the GREENS we'd be stuck with off shore processing, which only a minority of the xenophobic scum of the nation support. The greens are the only party thats coming out looking good over the last year since the election. I wouldnt be suprised to see an increased green vote next election, and even more balance of power in their hands. hmm. in the last year the results were... Libs: up 9% Labor: down 7% Greens: down 1% an interesting rose-coloured opinoin there! It is the POLLS that you continue to quote that are viewed with rose- coloured lens. Polls aren't based on  ethics and values, they are  based on  self interest .    ;D Polls are based on stastics to gain a representation of the peoples voting intentions. Polls arent based on self interest, why would you make such a silly comment. Polls at this time of the cycle are phone calls during the evening to people who arent actively thinking about politicis, and just give answers to get it over with asap so they can get back to masterchef. Polling does have its place just out from an election when minds are focussed, but take with a grain of salt right now.

Yeah, sure  ::)

Verge wrote on Oct 19^th, 2011 at 7:19pm:

Polling does have its place just out from an election when minds are focussed, but take with a grain of salt right now.

I think Verge makes a good point. Sure, polling just before an election can be accurate - maybe within 1%. But well before an election? They can go up or down several percent in a week! Which poll would you pick?

And please don't say "if an election were held now..." because there isn't one called. So it's hypothetical. There's no way of ascertaining that the latest poll would in any real way reflect an imaginary election.

pedantic. given that the polls are always accurate withint 1% then the poll results are quite valid.
Does this silly old fool ever get it right?
A poll held now is totally irrelevant to an opinion in two years from now, just ask the lying little rodent,silly old fool.

skippy. wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 7:17am:

pedantic. given that the polls are always accurate withint 1% then the poll results are quite valid. Does this silly old fool ever get it right? A poll held now is totally irrelevant to an opinion in two years from now, just ask the lying little rodent,silly old fool.

I would go so far as to say most mid-term polls get it wrong in predicting the next government.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Oct 20^th, 2011 at 7:34am:

skippy. wrote on Oct 20th, 2011 at 7:17am: pedantic. given that the polls are always accurate withint 1% then the poll results are quite valid. Does this silly old fool ever get it right? A poll held now is totally irrelevant to an opinion in two years from now, just ask the lying little rodent,silly old fool. I would go so far as to say most mid-term polls get it wrong in predicting the next government.

A) you are generally wrong in that statement
B) you are specifically wrong in that you make the assumption we are 'mid-term'. with one seat about to fall, it could be one month from being all over.

Ah yes. If one labor seat falls then watch the old Speaker Boogie take place as Harry Jenkins goes to the back bench and Peter (just pay me $30Gs) Slipper becomes speaker. The dirt file on him makes Craig Thomson look like a choirboy (steady Tony, not a catholic choirboy!)