I've heard this be used as an insult by some of the lefties on here and elsewhere. I am a right-wing Christian, and yes, in some cases, I could be labelled as far-right. And what is the problem with that exactly? Why is that a bad thing per se?

Matty, it might be an idea if you put this question to Alan.

Because most of the time, you're Totalitarian nutjobs who want to force your beliefs and self regulations on everyone else?

ACL is the perfect example.

There is no such thing as a "right wing christian".

The terms are mutually exclusive.


Surely being a christian means following the example of jesus christ.



Read about his life.


What examples of right wing thinking and behavior are demonstrated by jesus?

http://religionpoisons.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/house_md_religious_en_1015.jpeg?w=450&h=266

All hail House.

Matty, I really think you should ask Alan what he thinks about this. You raise a very important point here.

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 3:46pm:

Because most of the time, you're Totalitarian nutjobs who want to force your beliefs and self regulations on everyone else? ACL is the perfect example.

Sounds like the greens.

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 4:10pm:

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 3:46pm: Because most of the time, you're Totalitarian nutjobs who want to force your beliefs and self regulations on everyone else? ACL is the perfect example. Sounds like the greens.

It does, which makes any right wing religious persons attacks on the Greens all the more arrogant and hypocritical.

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 4:13pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 4:10pm: GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 3:46pm: Because most of the time, you're Totalitarian nutjobs who want to force your beliefs and self regulations on everyone else? ACL is the perfect example. Sounds like the greens. It does, which makes any right wing religious persons attacks on the Greens all the more arrogant and hypocritical.

Yeh it would.

Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus.

Which one will he pick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slbMe-aTY1A

Thanks Matty - I've now found a better place for this pic: -

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/312726_10150344247521275_177486166274_8640835_555546287_n.jpg

matty wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 3:41pm:

I've heard this be used as an insult by some of the lefties on here and elsewhere. I am a right-wing Christian, and yes, in some cases, I could be labelled as far-right. And what is the problem with that exactly? Why is that a bad thing per se?

Unfortunately being a RW and a Christian generally is an unpleasant combination. Those (but not all of course) who continually profess to be good Christians are usually intolerant of anyone except those who agree with them.

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

Ditto! Well said!

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

You are just assuming that atheists and agnostics haven't read the bible or gone to church. Perhaps that's where they develop their cynicism for those who are superficially devout.

Real Christians don't boast about their faith - they just live by example.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 9:45pm:

It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed.

I can honestly say that I have never read more than a page of the bible at a time and wonder at the end what on earth they were smoking or drinking when it was penned.

Personally I don't believe in pixies at the bottom of the Garden, but respect the right of anyone to pray to or believe in whatever helps them get by, god, unicorns, the tooth fairy or Santa.

I have set foot in various churches and jointed in with other religious congregations and events over the years - and the trance-like state of the parishioners has always been downright freaky!

Ditto re the fervent preachings from otherwise lackluster clergy...

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said!

And yet I have done all of those things.







And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms.


You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time..


No ifs. No buts.

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts.

I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

Outside of the old soviet union I think you'd struggle to find left wing conservatives.

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:01pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'....

And that's beside the point.


It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative".




Jesus was neither.

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:12pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither.

Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:16pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea??

What original traditions are you talking about?


The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament?

The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT?



The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:20pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT?

No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:23pm:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian)

So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:25pm:

Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus. Which one will he pick?

I am a very caring and compassionate person, actually. Why do you talk as if right-wing people cannot be such?

Equitist wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Thanks Matty - I've now found a better place for this pic: - http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/312726_10150344247521275_177486166274_8640835_555546287_n.jpg

You honestly have no idea, nem.

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 10:58pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts.

Pure ignorance. Absolutely false.

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 11:25pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian) So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible.

No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

matty wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:41am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. Pure ignorance. Absolutely false.

Surely being a christian means following the example of jesus christ.



Read about his life.


What examples of right wing thinking and behavior are demonstrated by jesus?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:48am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:25pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian) So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible. No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible)

The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:46am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:48am: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:25pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian) So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible. No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible) The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative.

Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death.  A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks.

Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement.  Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2^nd, 2011 at 7:25pm:

Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus. Which one will he pick?

I'm very happy being a RW christian. explain this one

" ......While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head.

Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume?  It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.

   “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.  She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial.  Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”  ..........

mark 14:3-9

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:02am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 7:25pm: Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus. Which one will he pick? I'm very happy being a RW christian. explain this one " ......While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume?  It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.    “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.  She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial.  Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”  .......... mark 14:3-9

How is that right wing?

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 9:26am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:46am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:48am: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:25pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian) So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible. No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible) The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative. Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death.  A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks. Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement.  Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought?

Yes I am using todays definition of "conservative" and comparing it to the reported sayings and actions of jesus 2000 years ago.

By todays standards jesus would not be called "conservative".

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:20am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 10:02am: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 7:25pm: Jesus was far far left and he accepted everyone even boat people matty. You and Jesus have absolutely nothing in common, so either go as far left as you can get or ditch Jesus. Which one will he pick? I'm very happy being a RW christian. explain this one " ......While he was in Bethany, reclining at the table in the home of Simon the Leper, a woman came with an alabaster jar of very expensive perfume, made of pure nard. She broke the jar and poured the perfume on his head. Some of those present were saying indignantly to one another, “Why this waste of perfume?  It could have been sold for more than a year’s wages and the money given to the poor.” And they rebuked her harshly.    “Leave her alone,” said Jesus. “Why are you bothering her? She has done a beautiful thing to me. 7 The poor you will always have with you, and you can help them any time you want. But you will not always have me.  She did what she could. She poured perfume on my body beforehand to prepare for my burial.  Truly I tell you, wherever the gospel is preached throughout the world, what she has done will also be told, in memory of her.”  .......... mark 14:3-9 How is that right wing?

it's not really rightwing, yet it is certainly not leftwing.
What his fllowers urged was left wing.

its reality.
there will always be the poor around. that's just how it is.

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 10:25am:

... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:26am: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:46am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:48am: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:25pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian) So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible. No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible) The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative. Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death.  A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks. Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement.  Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought? Yes I am using todays definition of "conservative" and comparing it to the reported sayings and actions of jesus 2000 years ago. By todays standards jesus would not be called "conservative".

What is todays definition of conservative?  When you think of a conservative do you think of paleoconservatives? neocons? the religious right?

Conservatives have less passion and empathy than their left leaning counterparts.

Conservative-ness and chirstianity can co-exist.

A conservative, but nature, picks a reference point of when the world was at its best, and tries to fight any change from that (good or bad).

While Jesus himself was very progressive, a conservative can pick any point in time after Jesus, and say "I'm sticking to this".

Right-wing, the "every man for himself" attitude, however does not sit with christianity.

... wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:01am:

darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 10:25am: ... wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 9:26am: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:46am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:48am: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:25pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:23pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:20pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:16pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:12pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 11:01pm: darkhall67 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:58pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 10:33pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 2nd, 2011 at 9:45pm: It is always amusing to read the comments about Jesus and Christians from those who have never read the Bible, prayed nor go to church. You generally sound silly. And that comes from being uninformed. Ditto! Well said! And yet I have done all of those things. And I repeat , "christian" and "right wing" are two mutually exclusive terms. You CANNOT be a christian and right wing at the same time.. No ifs. No buts. I think a lot of people confuse 'fundamental' and/or 'conservative' with 'right wing'.... And that's beside the point. It is impossible for a christian to be "right wing" and it's impossible for a christian to be " conservative". Jesus was neither. Why?? Isn't wanting to keep to the original traditions of the bible a christian idea?? What original traditions are you talking about? The genocide encouraged and practiced by the god of the old testament? The misogyny encouraged and practiced by the god of the OT? The cruelty encouraged and practiced practiced by the god of the OT? No, the rules and attitudes espoused by Jesus....(hence the term christian) So NOT the "original" traditions of the bible. No, the 'original' traditions of the christian religion.....as listed in the new testament, not the jewish traditions, as listed in the old testament(Hebrew bible) The original traditions of the christian religion dont include being right wing and conservative. Amazing how you can glean exactly what Jesus' politcal views were, from an almost 2000 year old text, written hundreds of years after his death.  A touch of wishful thinking on your behalf methinks. Looking at how much what defines a "conservative" has changed over just the last 50 years, I think it's pretty safe to say that the definition would have changed somewhat since jesus' day....so to make the statement that "right wing" thinking is mutually exclusive to christianity is a bit of a nothing statement.  Maybe you could clarify what you define as 'conservative right wing" views, and state what is incompatible with your idea of what jesus' thought? Yes I am using todays definition of "conservative" and comparing it to the reported sayings and actions of jesus 2000 years ago. By todays standards jesus would not be called "conservative". What is todays definition of conservative?  When you think of a conservative do you think of paleoconservatives? neocons? the religious right?

I was thinking of the dictionary definition,

"a: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions : traditional"

So not in the political sense at all...

Which is basically the point, the 'religious right' is a mixed metaphor...

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:20am:

Conservative-ness and chirstianity can co-exist. A conservative, but nature, picks a reference point of when the world was at its best, and tries to fight any change from that (good or bad). While Jesus himself was very progressive, a conservative can pick any point in time after Jesus, and say "I'm sticking to this". Right-wing, the "every man for himself" attitude, however does not sit with christianity.

i disagree with your narrow leftard version of a right winger

Jesus would have welcomed the asylum seekers (boat people) with fish and wine and a parable or two. Right-wing conservatives do not.

Right-wing conservatives and Christianity go together like chalk and cheese.

and what makes you say that pansi ??
you have a quote to support it ?



you think, something like is inscribed on the base o the statue of l;iberty is right ?

"........"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

but that is the bastion of your much hated right wingers ?

That maybe written there and it was actually followed for a while, then Republicans discovered imgrant fear sometime in the Raygun years.
Arizonia cops can stop you for being of suspect colour & demand ID.
No America is a fearful racist place now, kinda like here.

Right wingers may claim Jesus but Jesus would treat right wingers like he treated money lenders, ironically the right wingers best friends.

http://bibleencyclopedia.com/gs400px/stdas0400.jpg


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12 And Jesus entered the temple and drove out all those who were buying and selling in the temple, and overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those who were selling doves. 13 And He said to them, “It is written, ‘MY HOUSE SHALL BE CALLED A HOUSE OF PRAYER’; but you are making it a ROBBERS’ DEN.” 14 And the blind and the lame came to Him in the temple, and He healed them. 15 But when the chief priests and the scribes saw the wonderful things that He had done, and the children who were shouting in the temple, “Hosanna to the Son of David,” they became indignant 16 and said to Him, “Do You hear what these children are saying?” And Jesus said to them, “Yes; have you never read, ‘OUT OF THE MOUTH OF INFANTS AND NURSING BABIES YOU HAVE PREPARED PRAISE FOR YOURSELF’?” 17 And He left them and went out of the city to Bethany, and spent the night there.

And then the right wingers got together & went to the Pilot to condem Jesus for turning "THEIR" house of profit & fear into a place of safety & love, and so it has been since.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:09am:

Conservatives have less passion and empathy than their left leaning counterparts.

And the left have less logic than their conservative counterparts.  

No. I don't think people who lean to the left are less logical, but we are possibly less ruled by logic.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:44pm:

No. I don't think people who lean to the left are less logical, but we are possibly less ruled by logic.

Well, you wouldn't, being left leaning and all.  I could prove it using logic and reason, but what would be the point?  Only other righties would understand it.

Come now. Think of all the great liberal-minded thinkers throughout history.

That's another thing - conservatives are much more narrow-minded than liberals too.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 5:02pm:

Come now. Think of all the great liberal-minded thinkers throughout history. That's another thing - conservatives are much more narrow-minded than liberals too.

An ultra-progressive thinker of a few centuries ago would be considered extreme right today.  When you're referring to historical figures, the labels are useless as the terms are relative, and bear little resemblance across the ages.  The leftwing is now mainstream, so we have the ironic situtaion that the conservatives and now the ones calling for change.  the conservatives are really the progressives and vice versa.

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An ultra-progressive thinker of a few centuries ago would be considered extreme right today.

Yes, I've read this a lot but I disagree. It is a process; most liberal thinkers have been motivated by empathy, but the issues change as they are resolved. I think you'd find that many liberal thinkers of the past would be liberal thinkers today if born and raised in our contemporary society.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:02pm:

Quote: An ultra-progressive thinker of a few centuries ago would be considered extreme right today. Yes, I've read this a lot but I disagree. It is a process; most liberal thinkers have been motivated by empathy, but the issues change as they are resolved. I think you'd find that many liberal thinkers of the past would be liberal thinkers today if born and raised in our contemporary society.

You might say the issues change as they are resolved - I'd say they don't get resolved in the first place.  That demon of the past, current and future left - inequality - is never going to be resolved, it just takes different forms.  If the best solution to the "problem" of real or imagined discrimination against some groups is simply to reverse the object of discrimination, then it doesn't take a whole lot of thought to see how that will turn out in the long run - just swap one set of victims for another and the problem is just displaced, not eliminated.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:25pm:

... the two are incompatable as ideologies The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator" He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage ( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ?   http://www.vaticangift.com/ ) ... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:44pm:

No. I don't think people who lean to the left are less logical, but we are possibly less ruled by logic.

;D ;D

Classic.

Shake off those shackles of clear thinking!!! Logic is for the lawyers and the burgeoisie and scientists and their lackeys! Feel the fresh air of self-indulgence!

And you are enrolled at QLD Uni. You are one of the bourgeoisie. What's it like when you mean to be joking?? Must be a riot.

You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus -
Jesus was a communist.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:30am:

You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist.

Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie...

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:30am: You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist. Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie...

Matthew 19:

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[23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it?
Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor.  ;D

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:44am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:30am: You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist. Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie... Matthew 19: Quote: [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it? Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor.  ;D

Nah..ignore the 'bible' verses.....Jesus was trying to take over the government.....it was political...not religious...

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:44am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:30am: You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist. Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie... Matthew 19: Quote: [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it? Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor.  ;D

jesus was apolitical  - "Give to ceaser what is ceasers and to God what is Gods"
Spiritual matters and political matters are of different spheres.

jesus was rich, his followers were rich.
the eye of a needle may have referred to the gateway of the villages/towns of that time.
The tops of the walls met over the entrance, were called a needle. For a camel to go through the eye of a needle may have been for a camel to walk through the gateway into the village/town.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 12:00pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:44am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:30am: You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist. Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie... Matthew 19: Quote: [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it? Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor.  ;D

Living with resentment all you life - what's it like?

Sprintcyclist wrote on Nov 6^th, 2011 at 4:57pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 12:00pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:44am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 6th, 2011 at 11:30am: You can't be right wing and a follower of Jesus - Jesus was a communist. Close bobby....political revolutionary for certain...more 'freedom fighter' than commie... Matthew 19: Quote: [23] Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. [24] And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. That sort of leaves out rich right wingers doesn't it? Next Longweekend will be telling us that he's poor.  ;D jesus was apolitical  - "Give to ceaser what is ceasers and to God what is Gods" Spiritual matters and political matters are of different spheres. jesus was rich, his followers were rich. the eye of a needle may have referred to the gateway of the villages/towns of that time. The tops of the walls met over the entrance, were called a needle. For a camel to go through the eye of a needle may have been for a camel to walk through the gateway into the village/town.

According to some.


Other theories are that a "gemel" (not sure of spelling) was a coin .

So it was impossible for a "gemel" to go through the eye of a needle.


Another linguistic possibility was that a "chemel" was a thick rope. So it was impossible for  this thick rope to be threaded through the eye of a needle.



The "needle equals the city gate" theory is possible and the camels entering would have to get on their knees to enter the gates but the implication is that a rich man would have to get down on his knees to enter the kingdom of heaven.


A rich man being humble and supplicating himself. Getting down on his knees.

No such implication for the poor and meek.


Seems to me that rich people have EXTRA responsibilities before they could enter heaven.