It astounds me that Labor is so desperate to reverse its fortunes that it would consider going back to the guy who is the cause of many of the problems facing the minority ALP government today. The border protection problems and the enormous debt are just two of the major problems caused by Rudd that have plagued Gillard (although she's had ample time to fix the border protection farce). I also don't believe Swan's threat to resign as to do so would mean the ALP no longer had the numbers to stay in power. This story from the Daily Telegraph...



KEVIN Rudd is being urged by key backers within the Labor Party to challenge Julia Gillard for the leadership as early as this month.

Labor figures behind the push for the former PM to take back the job he was removed from last June have confirmed he was now being advised by his closest confidants not to wait until next year but to launch a challenge as early as the second last week of November.

Senior sources within the NSW Right claim the leakage of support away from Ms Gillard, who flew out to France last night for the G20 leaders' meeting, was snowballing.

"There are three things that are certain: there is a leadership challenge under way, Rudd doesn't have a majority yet but has enough numbers to be a contender, and they are strategising about how to get it done," said a senior NSW right-wing source.

But there was mixed support for the idea of an early move, with some MPs claiming they would "deliver the leadership" to Mr Rudd in February - if he waited.

In a sign the PM is now taking seriously the threat of a challenge, an internal counter-offensive has been launched to shore up her leadership.

The PM is reported over the past week to have lobbied key affiliated union officials with influence over caucus members to stick with her. Treasurer Wayne Swan is also believed to have privately warned several NSW Labor colleagues that he would resign if they supported a move to return Mr Rudd as leader.

The Daily Telegraph revealed two weeks ago that federal NSW Right MPs were softening in their support for Ms Gillard following the bungled Malaysia asylum seeker deal and their deepening concerns about the PM's poker machine reform deal with independent Andrew Wilkie.

"It sent Gillard and Swan's office into a panic. Swan has told people that he would quit if we went to Rudd but I doubt he was serious. He wouldn't want to be remembered as the bloke that brought down a Labor government," a senior member of the NSW right said.

Mr Swan would not comment last night.

Parliament has only one sitting week left after this week, during which a full meeting of the Labor caucus - required for a ballot - could be held. The next opportunity would not come until February when parliament returns from the summer break.

Sources close to Mr Rudd said he was well advanced on a policy pitch to address Labor's desperate electoral problems over issues including asylum seekers, the carbon tax and problem gambling.

One senior Labor figure, a Rudd supporter, claimed business was starting to "get edgy" over the government's unresolved leadership crisis.

"Business knows it's a question of when and want it sorted," they said.

Despite Mr Rudd's commanding public popularity, a boost in support for the government if Ms Gillard was rolled was not assured. Secret Coalition research conducted recently concluded voters believed the country was drifting.

Voters believe Labor's policies were out of synch with mainstream values, targeting key policy areas including the carbon tax and asylum seeker policy. They also expressed concern at the influence of the so-called faceless men.

Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted.

Quote:

key backers within the Labor Party

What a load of crap from the paper who has already been caught out lying this week whose editor was happy to kill a few aussies to break a story.
But Abbottights can wank on all day over this.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:14am:

Quote: key backers within the Labor Party What a load of crap from the paper who has already been caught out lying this week whose editor was happy to kill a few aussies to break a story. But Abbottights can wank on all day over this.

OMG you are sooo desperate I thought gillard was bad enough but you are worse.

What a freaking croc this is: -


Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:02am:

One senior Labor figure, a Rudd supporter, claimed business was starting to "get edgy" over the government's unresolved leadership crisis. "Business knows it's a question of when and want it sorted," they said. Despite Mr Rudd's commanding public popularity, a boost in support for the government if Ms Gillard was rolled was not assured. Secret Coalition research conducted recently concluded voters believed the country was drifting. Voters believe Labor's policies were out of synch with mainstream values, targeting key policy areas including the carbon tax and asylum seeker policy. They also expressed concern at the influence of the so-called faceless men.

I'd wager that BUSINESS LEADERS are infinitely-more concerned about the instability being caused by the LIBERAL PARTY'S TROPPOSITION LEADERSHIP than they are about the LABOR PARTY'S!

Is this another Liberal party 'look over there' move to take away from its own slimey doings, and undoings?

Its becoming to obvious, bit like the boy who cried wolf.

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:10am:

Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted.

... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION



http://www.pizazzbeads.com/xcart/images/dilemma.jpg






buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 11:28am:

Dilemna Time ... So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ? The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ? Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ? *( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)

Bearing in MIND ...




Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll
September 12, 2011

A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today.

The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader.

Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent.

But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings



http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2880852

Ok, I'm feeling a tiny wenney bit sorry for ArmchairlolPolitician , as he tries Sooo hard to grab onto a good topic.

So,to help out  here is a more realistic topic from a  tweet I just saw in tweetersville just a few minutes ago.



" Pollytics IQ will always be lower under Tony Abbott ''


Sadly, I agree.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:07pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am: Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted. ... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION http://www.pizazzbeads.com/xcart/images/dilemma.jpg buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 11:28am: Dilemna Time ... So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ? The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ? Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ? *( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)   Bearing in MIND ... Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll September 12, 2011 A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today. The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader. Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent. But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2880852

you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right?..as we laughingly call it..what has ones religion in this day and age got  do with anything???

when do aussies plan on growing up and getting past something so peculiar and oldfashioned in their way of thinking?

Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing.

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing.

Ergo you are an idiot...

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:25pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 1:16pm: Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing. Ergo you are an idiot...

Really? Remember Matthew 24:31?

31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Verse 34 is clearly the policy of the Left in Canberra. It is the policy of The Greens amongst others. It is not the policy of the Coalition.

Now drawing a rather straight forward analogy to refugees, you can clearly see that those on his left (verse 41), ie "the goats" are blatantly Un-Christian. So much so that God sends them to hell. Yet this is the exact policy of the Coalition Party towards refugees. The Policy of the rightwing.

And I'm the idiot?  :D

yes, you're the idiot

;D

http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem

You know the prospect of an eternal damnation doesn't seem too bad; warm, plenty of fun people and you can guarantee all the ladies are naughty!

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 2:39pm:

;D http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem

From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:18pm:

Uncle wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 2:39pm: ;D http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists.

I see you've climbed our from under your rock ,we are waiting patiently for  your response in this thread,ta. ;D ;D ;D

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1320266692;quote=24;title=PostReply

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:02am:

It astounds me that Labor is so desperate to reverse its fortunes that it would consider going back to the guy who is the cause of many of the problems facing the minority ALP government today. The border protection problems and the enormous debt are just two of the major problems caused by Rudd that have plagued Gillard (although she's had ample time to fix the border protection farce). I also don't believe Swan's threat to resign as to do so would mean the ALP no longer had the numbers to stay in power. This story from the Daily Telegraph... KEVIN Rudd is being urged by key backers within the Labor Party to challenge Julia Gillard for the leadership as early as this month. Labor figures behind the push for the former PM to take back the job he was removed from last June have confirmed he was now being advised by his closest confidants not to wait until next year but to launch a challenge as early as the second last week of November. Senior sources within the NSW Right claim the leakage of support away from Ms Gillard, who flew out to France last night for the G20 leaders' meeting, was snowballing. "There are three things that are certain: there is a leadership challenge under way, Rudd doesn't have a majority yet but has enough numbers to be a contender, and they are strategising about how to get it done," said a senior NSW right-wing source. But there was mixed support for the idea of an early move, with some MPs claiming they would "deliver the leadership" to Mr Rudd in February - if he waited. In a sign the PM is now taking seriously the threat of a challenge, an internal counter-offensive has been launched to shore up her leadership. The PM is reported over the past week to have lobbied key affiliated union officials with influence over caucus members to stick with her. Treasurer Wayne Swan is also believed to have privately warned several NSW Labor colleagues that he would resign if they supported a move to return Mr Rudd as leader. The Daily Telegraph revealed two weeks ago that federal NSW Right MPs were softening in their support for Ms Gillard following the bungled Malaysia asylum seeker deal and their deepening concerns about the PM's poker machine reform deal with independent Andrew Wilkie. "It sent Gillard and Swan's office into a panic. Swan has told people that he would quit if we went to Rudd but I doubt he was serious. He wouldn't want to be remembered as the bloke that brought down a Labor government," a senior member of the NSW right said. Mr Swan would not comment last night. Parliament has only one sitting week left after this week, during which a full meeting of the Labor caucus - required for a ballot - could be held. The next opportunity would not come until February when parliament returns from the summer break. Sources close to Mr Rudd said he was well advanced on a policy pitch to address Labor's desperate electoral problems over issues including asylum seekers, the carbon tax and problem gambling. One senior Labor figure, a Rudd supporter, claimed business was starting to "get edgy" over the government's unresolved leadership crisis. "Business knows it's a question of when and want it sorted," they said. Despite Mr Rudd's commanding public popularity, a boost in support for the government if Ms Gillard was rolled was not assured. Secret Coalition research conducted recently concluded voters believed the country was drifting. Voters believe Labor's policies were out of synch with mainstream values, targeting key policy areas including the carbon tax and asylum seeker policy. They also expressed concern at the influence of the so-called faceless men.

will you ever recognise to check other threads before posting THE SAME THING as a new thread?  

Why would Labor dump Julia for Kevin when everyone in Labor hates him and they would have lost the last election had he still been PM?
Two more years of neo cons grasping at straws because they dont know the meaning of "bad losers".
Get over it, Abbott lost the last election and theres 2 more years until the next one. You can vote Liberal then  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:17pm:

Why would Labor dump Julia for Kevin when everyone in Labor hates him and they would have lost the last election had he still been PM? Two more years of neo cons grasping at straws because they dont know the meaning of "bad losers". Get over it, Abbott lost the last election and theres 2 more years until the next one. You can vote Liberal then  ;D

huhum   it was on the news as well...should we hide from the news do you think would that make the next 2 years easier for you??

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 12:27pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:07pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am: Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted. ... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 11:28am: Dilemna Time ... So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ? The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ? Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ? *( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)   Bearing in MIND ... Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll September 12, 2011 A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today. The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader. Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent. But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2880852 you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right?

Because the two are incompatable as ideologies


The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ

If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator"

He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage

( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ?   http://www.vaticangift.com/ )


... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

cods wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:26pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 4:17pm: Why would Labor dump Julia for Kevin when everyone in Labor hates him and they would have lost the last election had he still been PM? Two more years of neo cons grasping at straws because they dont know the meaning of "bad losers". Get over it, Abbott lost the last election and theres 2 more years until the next one. You can vote Liberal then  ;D huhum   it was on the news as well...should we hide from the news do you think would that make the next 2 years easier for you??

I doubt the Liberal Party constantly trying to undermine the govt and the economy is really news..its just the usual day to day fare from the born to rule class that cant understand why they lost the last election.

Theres only 1 person in the country that genuinely thinks Labor is going to roll Julia so Rudd can take over as PM...and that person is Kevin Rudd.
The Coalition just keeps going on about it because it destracts the general public from asking questions about the Coalitions lack of policies and constant dog whistling.

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:16pm:

Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing.

what a stupid statement. left/right dichotomies hardly apply to the Son of God who was after all TOTALLY INCLUSIVE. Caring for the poor is hardly exclusively a leftwing attribute. in fact, lefties CAUSE most poverty and right wing conservatives are the gretest distributors of wealth EVER. all lefties ever distribute is poverty.

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:25pm:

cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:27pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:07pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am: Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted. ... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 11:28am: Dilemna Time ... So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ? The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ? Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ? *( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)   Bearing in MIND ... Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll September 12, 2011 A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today. The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader. Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent. But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2880852 you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right? Because the two are incompatable as ideologies The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator" He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage ( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ?   http://www.vaticangift.com/ ) ... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones

Jesus also opposed homosexuality. If you want to quite Him then how about quoting ALL of Him and in context.

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 4:39pm:

Theres only 1 person in the country that genuinely thinks Labor is going to roll Julia so Rudd can take over as PM...and that person is Kevin Rudd. The Coalition just keeps going on about it because it destracts the general public from asking questions about the Coalitions lack of policies and constant dog whistling.

feel the denial... it is clearly obvious that Rudd is making a comeback attempt. it is even more obvious that Rudd would regain probably 5% of the vote - enough to salvage 10-20 MPs from the scrap heap. he cant win the next election, but he can lose by a lesser margin than Gillard.

If you want the moderators to merge topics you should provide links. We don't go looking for work to do.

.....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country  with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...

wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:59pm:

.....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country  with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...

pity about running the country with COMPETENCE
or
running the country the way the country itself wants.

her notable skills unfortunately dont include ability to lead, ability to listen or ability to be inclusive.

wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:59pm:

.....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country  with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...

Oh dear...Grace and Gillard should never be mentioned in the same sentence. That goes for statesmanship, poise and dignity as well

Uncle wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 1:52pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 1:25pm: Uncle wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 1:16pm: Jesus Christ wasn't rightwing. Ergo, a true Christian cannot be rightwing. Ergo you are an idiot... Really? Remember Matthew 24:31? 31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ Verse 34 is clearly the policy of the Left in Canberra. It is the policy of The Greens amongst others. It is not the policy of the Coalition. Now drawing a rather straight forward analogy to refugees, you can clearly see that those on his left (verse 41), ie "the goats" are blatantly Un-Christian. So much so that God sends them to hell. Yet this is the exact policy of the Coalition Party towards refugees. The Policy of the rightwing. And I'm the idiot?  :D

absolutely. social welfare has mainly come from the conservative parties. The greatest increas came under Howard. The first family income supplements under Fraser. the first child payments under Menzies. and on and on it goes.

wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:59pm:

.....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country  with grace and never shows ruffled feathers...

I think you're quite right vegi and I think it's a good tactic on her part.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 4:39pm: Theres only 1 person in the country that genuinely thinks Labor is going to roll Julia so Rudd can take over as PM...and that person is Kevin Rudd. The Coalition just keeps going on about it because it destracts the general public from asking questions about the Coalitions lack of policies and constant dog whistling. feel the denial... it is clearly obvious that Rudd is making a comeback attempt. it is even more obvious that Rudd would regain probably 5% of the vote - enough to salvage 10-20 MPs from the scrap heap. he cant win the next election, but he can lose by a lesser margin than Gillard.

yyaaaarrrr... keep dreaming. You've only got another 2 years to go.

By the way, how's Malcolm's aspirations going? Joliar seems to have made a bit of a move recently as well. Has anyone painted a target on Tony's back yet?

Gist wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 7:30pm:

wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 6:59pm: .....meanwhile Ms Gillard is running the country  with grace and never shows ruffled feathers... I think you're quite right vegi and I think it's a good tactic on her part.

Clearly both of you haven't watched much of question time lately.  For what it's worth I think the behaviour from both sides of parliament is nothing short of appalling.  

skippy. wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 3:18pm: Uncle wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 2:39pm: ;D http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists. I see you've climbed our from under your rock ,we are waiting patiently for  your response in this thread,ta. ;D ;D ;D http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1320266692;quote=24;title=PostReply

Feels like I got hit by a truck, actually. Would prefer to crawl under a rock. First my 16 month-old son gets sick and I have to take this week off work to keep him home (daycare wouldn't take him while he is contagious) and then I got knocked for six with a nasty bug! Oh, I need a holiday, lol!

I'm interested to know why this thread has still not been moved into cod's?   http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1320266692

Have your partisan ways really polarised you THAT much, longie?  You know you keep preaching bout how you made this thread better because you got rid of DRAH and the other crazy one.  And good on you for setting those ground rules.  But if you feel that's all that was needed to make this place better then I suggest you hand back your moderator priviledges because evidently you don't need them any longer.

If you are going to lay down rules, then do so regardless of your evident bias.  Move this thread.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 6:52pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 4:25pm: cods wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:27pm: buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 12:07pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 8:10am: Moderators this story already exists. Why are people so stupid and lazy to check what is already posted. ... and I'll ask the SAME QUESTION buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 11:28am: Dilemna Time ... So who would the capitalist and Christian-Right sectors PREFER as Federal Labor leader ? The female athiest, who would most likely be defeated at the 2013 Federal Election ? Or the *former Prime Minister - and Christian - who internal polling shows would have a FAR greater chance of winning in 2013 ? *( ... as well as being preffered PM over both Gillard and Abbott)   Bearing in MIND ... Labor would win with Rudd as leader: poll September 12, 2011 A new opinion poll suggests former prime minister Kevin Rudd could lead Labor to victory if a federal election was held today. The latest Nielsen Poll published in today's Fairfax broadsheets says Labor's primary vote would jump from its current low level of 27 per cent to 42 per cent if the party brought Mr Rudd back as leader. Labor would be ahead of the Coalition on the two-party preferred vote by four points, with a jump to 52 per cent. But under Julia Gillard the poll shows no change for Labor since last month, with the Coalition ahead 58 per cent to 42 per cent in two-party standings http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-09-12/labor-would-win-with-rudd-as-leader-poll/2880852 you have a thing about Christians and being right!!.. whats wrong with being a Christian and being from the right? Because the two are incompatable as ideologies The "dog eat dog" - "survival of the fittest" - capitalistic nirvana of "the right" - just doesn't gel with the compassion and egalitarianism shown in the example laid down by, one, Jesus Christ If Jesus Christ DID exist, I believe he was a humanitarian, non-elected politician and lobbyist - and someone viewed as today's equivilent of a "socialist, radical agitator" He appears to have judged NO-ONE - aside from merchants operating within the church - whose tables he upended, in a fit of rage ( ... I wonder what he'd make of TODAY'S merchants in the church ?   http://www.vaticangift.com/ ) ... and I CAN'T see Jesus Christ refusing safe refuge to desparate men, women and children fleeing for their lives from war zones Jesus also opposed homosexuality. If you want to quite Him then how about quoting ALL of Him and in context.

To MY knowledge, his opinion was never quoted on the subject
If he DID - it may have been but one black mark on his character

I think he was "one cool dude", in most respects - and a revolutionary in history whose influence is still felt today

Quote:

absolutely. social welfare has mainly come from the conservative parties.

Do these idiots really believe this sh it, or is he trying to give us a laugh?? talk about delusional.

November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd

Wonder what they will have to say come 1/12/2011 and nothing has happened.

RT Gordon Graham #Morgan Phone 2PP: ALP 48.5 (+4.5) L/NP 51.5 (-4.5)

Dnarever wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

November coup plotted on Gillard, pressure on Rudd Wonder what they will have to say come 1/12/2011 and nothing has happened.

Did they actually include the year??  :)

wrote on Nov 4^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

RT Gordon Graham #Morgan Phone 2PP: ALP 48.5 (+4.5) L/NP 51.5 (-4.5)

Thanks veg. That November coup seems like a Real Sure Thing now...  :D

For those that like to see the longer term picture:

http://www.roymorgan.com/roymorgan/library/z49969_8.jpg
http://www.roymorgan.com/news/polls/2011/4713/

Tony can't win a trick today can he?  ;D

EDIT: Added a link to where that graph came from. Apologies for not including that earlier

Yes Gist,
I think that there will be a coup plotting on Abbott, pressure being  on Turnbull.

The latest telephone Morgan Poll shows a large drop in support for the L-NP 51.5% (down 4% from the telephone Morgan Poll conducted last week on the nights of October 25/26, 2011) compared to the ALP 48.5% (up 4%) on a Two-Party preferred basis. The L-NP primary vote is 45% (down 2%) still well ahead of the ALP 34% (up 3%).

If a Federal election were held today the L-NP would win with a small majority according to today’s Morgan Poll.

The Roy Morgan Government Confidence Rating has risen to 105.5 (up 3.5pts) with 48.5% (up 3.5%) — saying Australia is ‘heading in the right direction,’ while 43% (unchanged) say Australia is ‘heading in the wrong direction.’

The latest weekly Roy Morgan Consumer Confidence Rating conducted last weekend, October 29/30, 2011, was at 116.8 (up 2.1pts from October 22/23, 2011).

Gary Morgan says:
“For the real poll watchers the Two-Party preferred table shows both the Two-Party preferred calculated based on how people say they will give their preferences; and also based on the same preference allocation given in the last election. Although most electors ‘vote the card’ it is still interesting to measure how people say they will give their preferences as an indicator of soft support for the major parties. The minor parties and Independents today are preferencing the ALP more strongly than previously. This could be a further good sign for the ALP.”

dont you love it when the polls lift ever so slightly in Labs favour out they all come breathlessly believing in polls..

yet when they dip... well we have 2 years dont forget..


hilarious.. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

its like watching the bouncing ball watching one of these grids...boring as hell and totally irrelevant..

Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3^rd, 2011 at 8:08pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 3:23pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 3:18pm: Uncle wrote on Nov 3rd, 2011 at 2:39pm: ;D http://www.ozpolitic.com/articles/logical-fallacies.html#ad%20hominem From this day forth, you shall be known as "Ergo". Uncle no longer exists. I see you've climbed our from under your rock ,we are waiting patiently for  your response in this thread,ta. ;D ;D ;D http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1320266692;quote=24;title=PostReply Feels like I got hit by a truck, actually. Would prefer to crawl under a rock. First my 16 month-old son gets sick and I have to take this week off work to keep him home (daycare wouldn't take him while he is contagious) and then I got knocked for six with a nasty bug! Oh, I need a holiday, lol!

trust your little man is a whole lot better and yourself ap...the stress of sick children can take its toll..lots of fluids....mmmmmmmmmmmmm

5/11/2011 - No challenge yet?

Dnarever wrote on Nov 5^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

5/11/2011 - No challenge yet?

oooo its exciting isnt it???... 25 more sleeps...yeahhhhhhhhhhhhh


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