Defiant Malcolm Turnbull taking a gamble over Tony Abbott's gaming policy by: Simon Benson and Patrick Lion From: The Daily Telegraph November 11, 2011 12:00AM

MALCOLM Turnbull is openly defying Opposition Leader Tony Abbott over his new direction on gaming policy.
In a video tribute from anti-gambling advocate Tim Costello posted on Mr Turnbull's website, Mr Costello praises Mr Turnbull for his "leadership" in backing tough reforms on problem gambling.

Only a week after Mr Abbott indicated a Coalition policy would rely heavily on a voluntary pre-commitment scheme, Mr Costello said the measure would not work.

"Problem gamblers just will not do it. Voluntary pre-commitment is a contradiction in terms," Mr Costello said.

Mr Abbott's discussion paper had outlined plans to seek written advice about the feasibility of a national voluntary pre-commitment program.

It followed Mr Turnbull's refusal last month to back his leader's vow to roll back Labor's proposed mandatory pre-commitment technology if the Coalition won government.

Liberal sources said Mr Turnbull's ambition for leadership had not waned, and he was becoming "active" again.


source: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/national/defiant-malcolm-turnbull-taking-a-gamble-over-tony-abbotts-gaming-policy/story-e6freuzr-1226191935423

knock knock....  ::)

Murphy said "a fool and his money is soon parted" :D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 11^th, 2011 at 9:39pm:

knock knock....  ::)

           Who's

                   there?

James Packer deserves more protection for his money than our pensioners and pokies addicts

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Packer+packs+on+the+weight+txgqS_boNpjl.jpg

adelcrow wrote on Nov 12^th, 2011 at 2:23pm:

James Packer deserves more protection for his money than our pensioners and pokies addicts http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/bg/Packer+packs+on+the+weight+txgqS_boNpjl.jpg

What a disgusting fat body.

He's a pie eating machine  ;D

Abbott will be really pissed off if he has an abortion.

Uncle wrote on Nov 12^th, 2011 at 2:57pm:

Abbott will be really pissed off if he has an abortion.

;D

I'll pay that one.

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/15/2309638/art_svLETTERS_APRIL16-420x0.jpg

adelcrow wrote on Nov 12^th, 2011 at 3:07pm:

http://images.theage.com.au/2011/04/15/2309638/art_svLETTERS_APRIL16-420x0.jpg

clever adel.. dont forget though the labs only ban the smoking money... well thats if they dont get caught out..

a voluntary pre-commitment scheme


I don't think that this approach is without merit, it could work to some degree.

A bit funny that a major part of the Liberals statements against the mandatory scheme has been that it will not work and now they have re produced the same policy as a watered down version and think it will work?

Makes their previous criticism look a bit dishonest.

Shame that they didn't have this idea when they were in government, it may have worked for many people.

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall...

I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

Any business model that succeeds through taking advantage of the most vunerable in our society is a disgrace and needs restrictions placed on it.

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall... I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

IMO, the demise of the 5c machines was a VERY bad idea.

You could gamble all night, and lose very little.

Of course, winnings weren't high, either.

But, to be able to feed $20 and $50 notes into a machine, then
play multiple lines (at $1 a line) is plain wrong.

Equitist wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:08am:

The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall... I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%.

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else.  They will just take the path of least resistance

The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

They will just bypass the clubs.  At least these revenues go back to the local community.

The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. :(

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

Equitist wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:08am: The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall... I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%. A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else.  They will just take the path of least resistance The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc. They will just bypass the clubs.  At least these revenues go back to the local community. The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. :(

Many millions have been spent on poker machines to maximise the design to suck money from the players espesially players with addictive behaviour patterns.
I also doubt the consequences of screwing over these vunerable people can be excused by saying, at least their suicide, family breakdown or crippling poverty led to better bowling greens or more pies for fatboy James Packer..its kinda sad people think so little of those these new laws are meant to protect

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else.  They will just take the path of least resistance The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc.

You may be right about gamblers but playing the pokies is not gambling, the vast majority of machine players are not going to go onto something else.

Its just not that type of addiction, they are typically focused on the one activity.

What you say is like saying that footballers would go on to play tennis, while it is possible and some may we know that the vast majority wont.

The argument it fallacious, problem poker machine players will typically not go to a form of gambling as the vast majority have no interest or skill in those areas.

If people who use poker machines will just move on to other forms of gambling why not just save money and rip out all the pokies and just put a TAB in the casinos and pokie palaces?
The truth is pokie addicts are there because of the money spent getting dodgy psychologists with expertise in gambling addictions maximising the time and money people spend in front of pokie machines.
A psychologist can earn much more money working for the pokie barons than they can working in a legitimate practice.

I think the story is told in the fact that with all the club industry rhetoric about caring and insistence that they have been trying to do the right thing you will still not find a clock in the poker machine area of a club.

The most well known strategy for getting people to lose track of the time they have spent there.

Swagman wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:30am:

Equitist wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:08am: The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall... I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%. A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else.  They will just take the path of least resistance The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc. They will just bypass the clubs.  At least these revenues go back to the local community. The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. :(

That is a myth!

Unlike other forms of gambling, which involve complex risk-assessment processes and/or longer turnaround times, people who gamble on pokies are addicted to the rapid cycling of their own bodily chemicals - they are addicted to the adrenaline and endorphin rush!

Pokies addicts are essentially drug addicts - junkies - with an expensive albeit thinly-masked habit!

Swagman wrote on Nov 12^th, 2011 at 10:08am:

Murphy said "a fool and his money is soon parted" :D

....but the question is whether business should be able to profit from such predatory behaviour?

Don't go into politics too soon will ya mate, ay!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

....but the question is whether business should be able to profit from such predatory behaviour?

Don't go into politics too soon will ya mate, ay!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

....but the question is whether business should be able to profit from such predatory behaviour?

Don't go into politics too soon will ya mate, ay!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

....but the question is whether business should be able to profit from such predatory behaviour?

Don't go into politics too soon will ya mate, ay!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

adelcrow wrote on Nov 13^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

Swagman wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:30am: Equitist wrote on Nov 13th, 2011 at 9:08am: The longer this goes on, the more inclined I am to think that setting betting limits on all machines is the best way to go overall... I would also argue that all clubs should be obliged to provide a set proportion of $0 money machines - $0 bet, $0 paid - and preferably at $0 cost (or, say $1 or $2 for 5 mins play)! I'm thinking that this proportion should be set at around 10%. A problem gambler will just go & bet on something else.  They will just take the path of least resistance The TAB, the internet, Keno, scratchies etc etc. They will just bypass the clubs.  At least these revenues go back to the local community. The clubs and employment in the industry will take the hit. :( Many millions have been spent on poker machines to maximise the design to suck money from the players espesially players with addictive behaviour patterns. I also doubt the consequences of screwing over these vunerable people can be excused by saying, at least their suicide, family breakdown or crippling poverty led to better bowling greens or more pies for fatboy James Packer..its kinda sad people think so little of those these new laws are meant to protect

THE LONGER UNBRIDLED GREED HANGS AROUND THE LONGER THE TERRORISTS WILL!

The greedy can't solve the anthrax in the mail conundum and the minions are learning!  :o :o :o :o ::)

Tony Abbott is losing his grip and so are the reinforcements who only know how to sell UNBRIDLED GREED as a side serving with everything!

chip chip chip chip chip....  8-)

UNBRIDLED GREED IS FALLING...........................  ;)

LOL, pun not intended belive it or not!  ;D  :-/ :-/ :D