Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens!

If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier.

Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare--

This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation.

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:33am:

Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation.

You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility.

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:36am:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility.

Goddy, you need to understand some things about the situation and the conservatives. It is actually a simple formula.

Good news event   =    Conservative success
Bad news event     =    Labors fault.
Truth and Fact       =    Irrelevant to conservative policy

This is the current position they have on everything, no policy, no accuracy, no conviction, no vision, no direction and no no, or is it yes no or no yes. How is the community meant to know when they don't.

I note that the Power companies also like to throw ( scream)  the blame on  future inductions of the ETS  or CCTS schemes,  in big letters . Then ( and quietly) in  THE small print,  they say ;
'also take into account rising network costs ' &  failure to properly manage electricity assets.


So, you can throw a lot a little of that blame on  them the electricity Co  as well-  and also growing demand.


btw I hate it to, rising eelctricity prices,  and how it is affecting most people, me included.

we need to take a real good look at POWER PRICES>..

everything we have today involves POWER.. the shop we buy our goods from uses POWER.. the tools used to build/repair our homes or cars.. all use POWER.. our streets we want lit all use POWER.our food we want delivered in refrigerated vehicals.. they all use POWER

it all gets passed down a very long chain.untill it it ends up with... thats right YOU!

they use every excuse under the sun.. it makes no difference we are all part of this catch 22.

the so called renewable will be no different..anymore than gas was/is

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:36am:

You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility.

You do realise, as is the case with QLD, it was labor that turned the state's electricity into a private corporation, don't you?

It was the state labor government that did not invest in infrastructure and allowed the distribution network to degrade and now costs billions to repair and upgrade.

But never let the facts get in the way of a good rant now will you.

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:36am:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility.

And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets.

Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters!

And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax!

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:47am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:36am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility. And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets. Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters! And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax!

Well, the more you are one eyed in one direction you may be fooled at whats happening behind. And the more the problem sneaks along.

but continue to blame lefties...its the 'easy' solution.

wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:56am:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47am: GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:36am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility. And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets. Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters! And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax! Well, the more you are one eyed in one direction you may be fooled at whats happening behind. And the more the problem sneaks along. but continue to blame lefties...its the 'easy' solution.

lol coming from someone who blames Abbott for the change in the weather thats a good one.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:58am:

wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:56am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47am: GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:36am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility. And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets. Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters! And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax! Well, the more you are one eyed in one direction you may be fooled at whats happening behind. And the more the problem sneaks along. but continue to blame lefties...its the 'easy' solution. lol coming from someone who blames Abbott for the change in the weather thats a good one.

I certainly say that Abbott is not fit to be leader of Australia. Actually,  I have said that I dont see anyone in the current Liberal party front bench up to the job.

wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:18am:

cods wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58am: wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:56am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47am: GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:36am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility. And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets. Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters! And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax! Well, the more you are one eyed in one direction you may be fooled at whats happening behind. And the more the problem sneaks along. but continue to blame lefties...its the 'easy' solution. lol coming from someone who blames Abbott for the change in the weather thats a good one. I certainly say that Abbott is not fit to be leader of Australia. Actually,  I have said that I dont see anyone in the current Liberal party front bench up to the job.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:18am:

cods wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58am: wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:56am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47am: GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:36am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility. And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets. Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters! And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax! Well, the more you are one eyed in one direction you may be fooled at whats happening behind. And the more the problem sneaks along. but continue to blame lefties...its the 'easy' solution. lol coming from someone who blames Abbott for the change in the weather thats a good one. I certainly say that Abbott is not fit to be leader of Australia. Actually,  I have said that I dont see anyone in the current Liberal party front bench up to the job.

so apart from gillard whom I have never seen you say a word against who do you see running the country.. btw a little while ago your money was on Turnbull

cods wrote-
Quote:

the so called renewable will be no different

They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years.
My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

You right wing loonies are certainly making asses of yourselves as usual. Maybe you'd like to blame Europe's troubles on the government? There's an asteroid may hit earth sometime in the next 100 years. Maybe that's the government's fault? Please do try to spend some time on this planet occasionally, won't you.

Cods, you ask why I sneer. It's because you make idiots of yourselves.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can.

I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:23am:

You right wing loonies are certainly making asses of yourselves as usual. Maybe you'd like to blame Europe's troubles on the government? There's an asteroid may hit earth sometime in the next 100 years. Maybe that's the government's fault? Please do try to spend some time on this planet occasionally, won't you. Cods, you ask why I sneer. It's because you make idiots of yourselves.

really!

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D

bigol I do n ot believe in the word FREE no such thing... someone is paying of course they are.. and nobody works for nothing do they?..unless RE is all run by volunteers... havent heard about that though..

dont know about you but my last power bill read something like $168 but I only used $20 worth of power..it doesnt matter how much i backpeddle on using power the bill will never diminish I think thats why they make the bill so hard to read now...lol..keep us in the dark so to speak..

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D

Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD.
Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:25am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D

I think you will find the subsidy isn't what it was 12 months ago bigol as the government have gone over to a 'solar credit' scheme.
And I would suggest that there was no government subsidy at all when Skip got his installed way back when.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:27am:

Gist wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:23am: You right wing loonies are certainly making asses of yourselves as usual. Maybe you'd like to blame Europe's troubles on the government? There's an asteroid may hit earth sometime in the next 100 years. Maybe that's the government's fault? Please do try to spend some time on this planet occasionally, won't you. Cods, you ask why I sneer. It's because you make idiots of yourselves. really!

Yes. So smarten up your act, the lot of you. It's like a creche full of brats in here.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest.

Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental.

But why should I care - I already gots mine

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:51am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D I think you will find the subsidy isn't what it was 12 months ago bigol as the government have gone over to a 'solar credit' scheme. And I would suggest that there was no government subsidy at all when Skip got his installed way back when.

Not true chook. It was much more expensive, but I got 12 grands worth of solar for 6 grand in those days, the same set up today would only cost 3 grand.
If I'd been in QLD I'd have got much more of a rebate, the QLD state gov were also offering rebates where as I only got a federal rebate from the good old lying little rodent.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:58am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine

Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now??
I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:03am:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive.

Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:59am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:51am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D I think you will find the subsidy isn't what it was 12 months ago bigol as the government have gone over to a 'solar credit' scheme. And I would suggest that there was no government subsidy at all when Skip got his installed way back when. Not true chook. It was much more expensive, but I got 12 grands worth of solar for 6 grand in those days, the same set up today would only cost 3 grand. If I'd been in QLD I'd have got much more of a rebate, the QLD state gov were also offering rebates where as I only got a federal rebate from the good old lying little rodent.

There have been rebates that long? I didn't know that.
Either way, the rebates are unfortunately nothing what they used to be, even taking into account the technology was more expensive back then.
Has your set up been reliable over the last nine years?

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:06am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:03am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive. Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'.

So you don't need to be well off to have a mortgage do you?? even western Sydney would be affordable for most people, its just a whole to live in.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:09am:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:06am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:03am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive. Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'. So you don't need to be well off to have a mortgage do you?? even western Sydney would be affordable for most people, its just a whole to live in.

Yes, most do need to be well off to have a mortgage AND have the spare cash for a solar set up.  I might remind you that while house prices might be cheap in woopwoop, most people live in capital or major cities, where they're not so cheap.

Are you really so petty as to make an argument out of this?

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:35am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Howard didn't subsidise sh1t, it was the Australian taxpayer that paied for your free electricity and is now paying your brother. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest.

Howard didn't subsidise jack, the Australian taxpayer paid for everything and are continuing to pay for your 'free' electricity.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:07am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:59am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:51am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D I think you will find the subsidy isn't what it was 12 months ago bigol as the government have gone over to a 'solar credit' scheme. And I would suggest that there was no government subsidy at all when Skip got his installed way back when. Not true chook. It was much more expensive, but I got 12 grands worth of solar for 6 grand in those days, the same set up today would only cost 3 grand. If I'd been in QLD I'd have got much more of a rebate, the QLD state gov were also offering rebates where as I only got a federal rebate from the good old lying little rodent. There have been rebates that long? I didn't know that. Either way, the rebates are unfortunately nothing what they used to be, even taking into account the technology was more expensive back then. Has your set up been reliable over the last nine years?

Yea, I'm happy with it, the panels have a 25 year warranty, so I suppose I'll see in the next few years how good they are, but to be honest, the rebates are still so good that if my panels died I'd definitely get more, its a no brainer when you look at the price of electricity, 2 years worth of bills would pay for a 2 or 3 kws of power. I even noticed in my local paper that a local air co company is now advertising solar panel operated air co, with rebates to boot.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:12am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:09am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:06am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:03am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive. Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'. So you don't need to be well off to have a mortgage do you?? even western Sydney would be affordable for most people, its just a whole to live in. Yes, most do need to be well off to have a mortgage AND have the spare cash for a solar set up.  I might remind you that while house prices might be cheap in woopwoop, most people live in capital or major cities, where they're not so cheap. Are you really so petty as to make an argument out of this?

I thought western Sydney was in a capital city, please explain??? look at the prices around Cambeltown and Green valley, then get back to us, I bet a mortgage would be comparable to rent in many of those places.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:13am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Howard didn't subsidise sh1t, it was the Australian taxpayer that paied for your free electricity and is now paying your brother. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Howard didn't subsidise jack, the Australian taxpayer paid for everything and are continuing to pay for your 'free' electricity.

As they are  health care, a Liberal policy, no less.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:19am:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:12am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:09am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:06am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:03am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive. Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'. So you don't need to be well off to have a mortgage do you?? even western Sydney would be affordable for most people, its just a whole to live in. Yes, most do need to be well off to have a mortgage AND have the spare cash for a solar set up.  I might remind you that while house prices might be cheap in woopwoop, most people live in capital or major cities, where they're not so cheap. Are you really so petty as to make an argument out of this? I thought western Sydney was in a capital city, please explain??? look at the prices around Cambeltown and Green valley, then get back to us, I bet a mortgage would be comparable to rent in many of those places.

I live in Perth so I don't know, or care, about house prices in some suburbs of Sydney.  There's usually a reason why prices are much cheaper in one area than another.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:29am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:19am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:12am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:09am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:06am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:03am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive. Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'. So you don't need to be well off to have a mortgage do you?? even western Sydney would be affordable for most people, its just a whole to live in. Yes, most do need to be well off to have a mortgage AND have the spare cash for a solar set up.  I might remind you that while house prices might be cheap in woopwoop, most people live in capital or major cities, where they're not so cheap. Are you really so petty as to make an argument out of this? I thought western Sydney was in a capital city, please explain??? look at the prices around Cambeltown and Green valley, then get back to us, I bet a mortgage would be comparable to rent in many of those places. I live in Perth so I don't know, or care, about house prices in some suburbs of Sydney.  There's usually a reason why prices are much cheaper in one area than another.

So what you really meant was a mortgage is only for the well off in a sort after good suburb, yes that's true, why didn't you say that to begin with.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:21am:

As they are  health care, a Liberal policy, no less.

As I said before, you lefties are totally against subsidies unless they are for you. I personally don't care, I just hate hypocracy.

The ' I'm alright, Jack' attitude is alive and well in the lefty mindset and isn't going anywhere soon.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:37am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:21am: As they are  health care, a Liberal policy, no less. As I said before, you lefties are totally against subsidies unless they are for you. I personally don't care, I just hate hypocracy. The ' I'm alright, Jack' attitude is alive and well in the lefty mindset and isn't going anywhere soon.

So you refuse private health care as you dont want to be a hypocrite no matter that it may be to the  detriment to you and your family, well good for you. :D

Electricity supply is the responsibility of the States not the Federal Government.....States sell off the power companies to private enterprises who can then charge consumers for full cost recovery of the infrastructure that out taxes built....So in fact taxpayers are paying for the Infrastructure twice so States can wipe their hands of any responsibility......Privatization is something that only works when their is competition to keep prices down, In electricity generation this is usually not the case and private companies end up with monopolies!!!


>:(

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate,

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:47am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:36am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 6:33am: Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation. You do realize Electricity is the realm of Private Corporations, right? The same companies you, as a conservative would wish to side with. Their actions are not Labors responsibility. And you realise that power only went up (doubled, in my case) since '07 when Kevin '07 led Labor to victory with the thundering cheers of Rudd's "working families" these who are now starving to feed their children and living by candle light if not camping on the streets. Well done, Labor/Greens/Independents voters! And how better life will be after next July when we'll cheer in the carbon tax!

You do realize that power supply is a State issue dont you....It has nothing to do with the Federal Government you silly old woman???

::)

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate,

Just like private health care, did you condemn Howard for that?? or are you so big a hypocrite to actually be bludging off it?

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:59am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:51am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D I think you will find the subsidy isn't what it was 12 months ago bigol as the government have gone over to a 'solar credit' scheme. And I would suggest that there was no government subsidy at all when Skip got his installed way back when. Not true chook. It was much more expensive, but I got 12 grands worth of solar for 6 grand in those days, the same set up today would only cost 3 grand. If I'd been in QLD I'd have got much more of a rebate, the QLD state gov were also offering rebates where as I only got a federal rebate from the good old lying little rodent.

In addition, there's more sun-power in Q-land.

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate,

People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter.

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:19am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:59am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:51am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D I think you will find the subsidy isn't what it was 12 months ago bigol as the government have gone over to a 'solar credit' scheme. And I would suggest that there was no government subsidy at all when Skip got his installed way back when. Not true chook. It was much more expensive, but I got 12 grands worth of solar for 6 grand in those days, the same set up today would only cost 3 grand. If I'd been in QLD I'd have got much more of a rebate, the QLD state gov were also offering rebates where as I only got a federal rebate from the good old lying little rodent. In addition, there's more sun-power in Q-land.

Well, yes, there is on the whole more sun power in QLD, but considering I live less than an hour from the border that argument is pretty mute. Its like saying Bondi has more sun power than Newtown.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:21am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:13am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Howard didn't subsidise sh1t, it was the Australian taxpayer that paied for your free electricity and is now paying your brother. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Howard didn't subsidise jack, the Australian taxpayer paid for everything and are continuing to pay for your 'free' electricity. As they are  health care, a Liberal policy, no less.

I always got the best of the dollar under the Coalition so I'll be deliriously happy when Abbott wins the next election.

Long live Abbott (and he doesn't look bad in his budgie smugglers)  or is it "snugglers" ?

OS

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:56am:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:37am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:21am: As they are  health care, a Liberal policy, no less. As I said before, you lefties are totally against subsidies unless they are for you. I personally don't care, I just hate hypocracy. The ' I'm alright, Jack' attitude is alive and well in the lefty mindset and isn't going anywhere soon. So you refuse private health care as you dont want to be a hypocrite no matter that it may be to the  detriment to you and your family, well good for you. :D

Is english your second language?

I said I don't care (about subsidies), I stated I hated the hypocracy of the left, demanding subsidies for themselves and trying to deny it to others.

Read it a couple of times before you roll out your standard responce, it just makes you look stupid and lazy.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:22am:

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter.

You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button.
My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap.

I said I don't care (about subsidies), I stated I hated the hypocracy of the left, demanding subsidies for themselves and trying to deny it to others
you will of course provide your evidence of where I've done that, otherwise you'll just be judged as a liar, I await your link.Because looking back over this thread the only people bitching about rebates are you and the other the rightards.hypocrite much.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:28am:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap.

And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.  

It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.  

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:35am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.

As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth.

No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.  

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:40am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth. No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.

You're wrong on so many counts I dont know where to begin.
I 'live on 2 kw of power, I do not get  rebates as my Brother in law as I've had mine for 9 years now. My brother in law has a 4kw system, with massive rebates ,selling back to the grid due to the NSW govs very generous scheme, now what do you need to know Einstein,as every time you post you just make a bigger idiot of yourself than the last.
You're wrong because you dont understand how solar works, you proved that with your statement about winter, I often get more power in winter than summer, in the sub tropics it rains in summer and often is over cast, while we still get power when its over cast it is often less than I can get in the middle of July,even tho the daylight hours are less.I didn't bother going into when you proved you are speaking through your ass, if you can use your head and listen I can help you, if not buzz off and dont waste my time.
What else you want to know?

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:54am:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:44am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:40am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth. No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.   You're wrong on so many counts I dont know where to begin. I 'live on 2 kw of power, I do not get  rebates as my Brother in law as I've had mine for 9 years now. My brother in law has a 4kw system, with massive rebates ,selling back to the grid due to the NSW govs very generous scheme, now what do you need to know Einstein,as every time you post you just make a bigger idiot of yourself than the last. You're wrong because you dont understand how solar works, you proved that with your statement about winter, I often get more power in winter than summer, in the sub tropics it rains in summer and often is over cast, while we still get power when its over cast it is often less than I can get in the middle of July,even tho the daylight hours are less.I didn't bother going into when you proved you are speaking through your ass, if you can use your head and listen I can help you, if not buzz off and dont waste my time. What else you want to know?

So he's got a large system - why didn't you just say that instead of going off like a cut snake?

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:58am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:54am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:44am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:40am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth. No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.   You're wrong on so many counts I dont know where to begin. I 'live on 2 kw of power, I do not get  rebates as my Brother in law as I've had mine for 9 years now. My brother in law has a 4kw system, with massive rebates ,selling back to the grid due to the NSW govs very generous scheme, now what do you need to know Einstein,as every time you post you just make a bigger idiot of yourself than the last. You're wrong because you dont understand how solar works, you proved that with your statement about winter, I often get more power in winter than summer, in the sub tropics it rains in summer and often is over cast, while we still get power when its over cast it is often less than I can get in the middle of July,even tho the daylight hours are less.I didn't bother going into when you proved you are speaking through your ass, if you can use your head and listen I can help you, if not buzz off and dont waste my time. What else you want to know? So he's got a large system - why didn't you just say that instead of going off like a cut snake?

I would have thought his system was pretty average now, most of the adds I see are for 3 or 4 KW systems.  I saw an add last week for a 3 KW system for 5 grand after rebates.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43am:

cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money.

Same here.  

In fact, I would  go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept".

If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:54am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:44am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:40am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth. No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.   You're wrong on so many counts I dont know where to begin. I 'live on 2 kw of power, I do not get  rebates as my Brother in law as I've had mine for 9 years now. My brother in law has a 4kw system, with massive rebates ,selling back to the grid due to the NSW govs very generous scheme, now what do you need to know Einstein,as every time you post you just make a bigger idiot of yourself than the last. You're wrong because you dont understand how solar works, you proved that with your statement about winter, I often get more power in winter than summer, in the sub tropics it rains in summer and often is over cast, while we still get power when its over cast it is often less than I can get in the middle of July,even tho the daylight hours are less.I didn't bother going into when you proved you are speaking through your ass, if you can use your head and listen I can help you, if not buzz off and dont waste my time. What else you want to know? So he's got a large system - why didn't you just say that instead of going off like a cut snake? I would have thought his system was pretty average now, most of the adds I see are for 3 or 4 KW systems.  I saw an add last week for a 3 KW system for 5 grand after rebates.

Most of the ads I see here are for 1.5kw systems (8 panels).  I've talked to people with these (who have the same number of people living in the house and electric hot water) who claim they're making money from them.  I just nod when they tell me this poo, because I have 12 panels and solar hot water, but I still had significant bills over winter.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:06pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:01pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:54am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:44am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:40am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth. No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.   You're wrong on so many counts I dont know where to begin. I 'live on 2 kw of power, I do not get  rebates as my Brother in law as I've had mine for 9 years now. My brother in law has a 4kw system, with massive rebates ,selling back to the grid due to the NSW govs very generous scheme, now what do you need to know Einstein,as every time you post you just make a bigger idiot of yourself than the last. You're wrong because you dont understand how solar works, you proved that with your statement about winter, I often get more power in winter than summer, in the sub tropics it rains in summer and often is over cast, while we still get power when its over cast it is often less than I can get in the middle of July,even tho the daylight hours are less.I didn't bother going into when you proved you are speaking through your ass, if you can use your head and listen I can help you, if not buzz off and dont waste my time. What else you want to know? So he's got a large system - why didn't you just say that instead of going off like a cut snake? I would have thought his system was pretty average now, most of the adds I see are for 3 or 4 KW systems.  I saw an add last week for a 3 KW system for 5 grand after rebates. Most of the ads I see here are for 1.5kw systems (8 panels).  I've talked to people with these (who have the same number of people living in the house and electric hot water) who claim they're making money from them.  I just nod when they tell me this poo, because I have 12 panels and solar hot water, but I still had significant bills over winter.

So you went through all of that and still didn't tell me you had solar ::).

From my experience, and if you have it you'll probably know this anyway, if you still use an electric oven you're wasting your cash,you need gas cooking, solar or gas hot water,gas or combustion heating and preferably an energy efficient house to begin with.
I have seen adds lately for solar powered air co though, I'm interested in that, as its the only 'luxury" I go without, tho I do have good air flow and ceiling fans.

You do realise the feed in tarrif is different in every state, and depends on when you got in.

A 1.5kw system with a 68c gross feed in tarrif can make money in a house which uses gas for heating/cooking.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:54am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:44am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:40am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:35am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:28am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:22am: olde.sault wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:14am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Yes, indeed, "making money" at the expense of those who don't get a solar panel rebate, People do tend to exaggerate their 'success' with solar power.  Unless he's bought a very large system, and has very low consumption (and lives alone) I can guarantee he'd have got a bill, at least during winter. You prove you have no idea every time you press the post button. My brother in law, is making more power than he uses,and thanks to the generous scheme from NSW Labor, actually earns money as well as receives free power, only numnuts with no idea about solar or the scheme would write such crap. And if he makes more power than he uses through winter he must have a very large system, and have low consumption, just like I said.   It's possible, but more likely is that you, him or both are liars.   As I said, you prove you have no idea every post you make, I love a fool that is an expert about something he knows nothing about, the fact I live off solar and you know nothing about it is very evident every time you place your foot in your mouth. No, the problem is that I know enough to call you out on your lies.  You know this, which is why you simply give a broad-brush 'you don't know what you're talking about' instead of pointing out where or why I'm wrong.   You're wrong on so many counts I dont know where to begin. I 'live on 2 kw of power, I do not get  rebates as my Brother in law as I've had mine for 9 years now. My brother in law has a 4kw system, with massive rebates ,selling back to the grid due to the NSW govs very generous scheme, now what do you need to know Einstein,as every time you post you just make a bigger idiot of yourself than the last. You're wrong because you dont understand how solar works, you proved that with your statement about winter, I often get more power in winter than summer, in the sub tropics it rains in summer and often is over cast, while we still get power when its over cast it is often less than I can get in the middle of July,even tho the daylight hours are less.I didn't bother going into when you proved you are speaking through your ass, if you can use your head and listen I can help you, if not buzz off and dont waste my time. What else you want to know? So he's got a large system - why didn't you just say that instead of going off like a cut snake? I would have thought his system was pretty average now, most of the adds I see are for 3 or 4 KW systems.  I saw an add last week for a 3 KW system for 5 grand after rebates.

Do you know how many panels would your brother in law have with his 4Kw system Skip?
I've noticed up here in NQ many homes have a 12 or a 14 panel set up.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:14pm:

You do realise the feed in tarrif is different in every state, and depends on when you got in. A 1.5kw system with a 68c gross feed in tarrif can make money in a house which uses gas for heating/cooking.

Yea I would think if you got in early enough in NSW a 1.5 kw system that has gas heating/cooking would at least counteract your bills with the 68cent feed in tariff.

Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water.  Still got an electric oven though....

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:29am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:19am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:12am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:09am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:06am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:03am: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:58am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:35am: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 9:25am: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. All nicely subsidised by the Australian taxpayer; solar power is a very expensive freebie indeed, especially for those who are too poor to afford it, as they are paying extra for those that can. I do love how lefties hate anyone being subsidied for anything, unless it is themselves of course.  ;D Yep ,subsidised just like private health funds, that Howard introduced. In fact when I got my solar it was subsidised too, by HOWARD. Most companies offer interest free loans for solar, and its not just the well off that can afford it, from my observations its the whiny little rightards that have not been successful in life that whine the loudest. Unless they're 'well off' enough to own their home, it doesn't matter whetehr they can afford the panels or not.  Nobody is going to put solar panels on a rental. But why should I care - I already gots mine Are you claiming you need to be 'well off' to have a mortgage now?? I live on the far north coast of NSW, near Byron, and yes prices are a bit pricey around here, but 30 minutes in land is the largest city on the far north coast,and you can buy a house there for 200 hundred grand, hardly expensive. Depends how you define 'well-off'.  I'd put 'well off' as midway between 'battlers' and 'wealthy'. So you don't need to be well off to have a mortgage do you?? even western Sydney would be affordable for most people, its just a whole to live in. Yes, most do need to be well off to have a mortgage AND have the spare cash for a solar set up.  I might remind you that while house prices might be cheap in woopwoop, most people live in capital or major cities, where they're not so cheap. Are you really so petty as to make an argument out of this? I thought western Sydney was in a capital city, please explain??? look at the prices around Cambeltown and Green valley, then get back to us, I bet a mortgage would be comparable to rent in many of those places. I live in Perth so I don't know, or care, about house prices in some suburbs of Sydney.  There's usually a reason why prices are much cheaper in one area than another.

Well yes there is a reason.....In the case of Western Sydney, it's mostly because there's very little work close by, and people who can afford higher prices don't want to have to drive over 3 hours each way to work...So, if you want to sell your house, you have to price cheap enough to attract buyers..

He's got  22 190 watt panels. up there would be as good/better than here for solar,chook, you should check it out. 12 panels would be about the same as my system,about 2kw or so, tho mine is an old system when the panels were only 80 watters, so I've got 24 panels on my roof and shed.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

I would have thought his system was pretty average now, most of the adds I see are for 3 or 4 KW systems.  I saw an add last week for a 3 KW system for 5 grand after rebates.

I wish I could get that sort of system too.....But apart from not having the cash, I don't even know if you're allowed to put them on public housing properties....

I actually wonder if it'd be cheaper and faster for the government just to subsidise the 'stand alone' panel and battery systems on interest free loans...instead of the Carbon Pricing thing????
It'd cut down on coal power generation much faster, wouldn't it??

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Same here.   In fact, I would  go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept". If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get.

some of us cannot afford the cost up front?..as for me I live alone.

how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??..

the NSW govt has admitted they made a huge mistake with their rebate.. now someone has to pay.. and it looks like it will be those that can ill afford to do so.... we have been told someone was paying in the region of $1600 pa..and now he is paying zero....

well someone else will be picking up that cost because the power companies are not going to be happy losing that amount of money week in week out..and so far I havent heard off mass unemployment in electricity workers.so someone has to pay them

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:04pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Same here.   In fact, I would  go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept". If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get. some of us cannot afford the cost up front?..as for me I live alone. how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??.. the NSW govt has admitted they made a huge mistake with their rebate.. now someone has to pay.. and it looks like it will be those that can ill afford to do so.... we have been told someone was paying in the region of $1600 pa..and now he is paying zero.... well someone else will be picking up that cost because the power companies are not going to be happy losing that amount of money week in week out..and so far I havent heard off mass unemployment in electricity workers.so someone has to pay them

They're doing fine out of it - the standard system cannot store power, so whatever you are not using at time of generation feeds back into the grid.  In WA the power company pays the princely sum of 7c per kw fed in this way...and then sell it back to the consumer for 3 times as much - possibly more, as its classed as 'green' power.  

how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??..

Why dont you ask the same question about health? how long can they keep passing on the charges of rebates for private health funds onto those that cannot afford it?? this is a much bigger bill than solar so I would expect you'd be up in arms over it,yes?

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:22pm:

Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water.  Still got an electric oven though....

Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one  45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:22pm: Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water.  Still got an electric oven though.... Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one  45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks.

Actually just got a new oven yesterday as the old one pood itself.  I considered getting a gas one instead but the missus was suffering withdrawal and didn't want to wait for gas to be connected.

Solution Options, Note the reason discribed for increases;

How would you feel if you opened your energy bill and there was a smiley face next to your usage? Or you found yourself being compared to your neighbour? Would this influence you to use less energy?

The way our energy bills look are about to change in subtle, but important ways, with an American company Opower, about to start work in Australia with a major energy retailer.

Communicating to customers through SMS and energy bills, Opower – which describes itself as a “new customer engagement platform for the utility industry”– uses psychology and persuasion techniques to influence customers to reduce their energy consumption.

Consumers will no doubt have already noticed the steady increase in the size of their bills, due mostly to the cost of infrastructure to cater for peak demand.

In a bid to encourage consumers to use less energy (which will also lead to less spending on infrastructure), energy companies are turning to the content of energy bills themselves.

Psychology behind saving
A key tactic used by companies like Opower is what psychologists call “descriptive norms”.

Put simply, descriptive norms are what others are doing in a given situation. Descriptive norms can be very powerful at influencing behaviour because people generally want to be “normal” and do what the majority of people are doing in given situations.

http://theconversation.edu.au/it-takes-energy-to-smile-the-psychology-behind-smaller-power-bills-4094?utm_


Wind Electricity To Be Fully Competitive With Natural Gas by 2016, Says Bloomberg New Energy Finance

http://bnef.com/PressReleases/view/172

The best wind farms in the world are already competitive with coal, gas and nuclear plants. But over the next five years, continued performance improvements and cost reductions will bring the average onshore wind plant in line with cheap natural gas, even without a price on carbon, according analysi...

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

He's got  22 190 watt panels. up there would be as good/better than here for solar,chook, you should check it out. 12 panels would be about the same as my system,about 2kw or so, tho mine is an old system when the panels were only 80 watters, so I've got 24 panels on my roof and shed.

Thanks skip. :)

########<<The best wind farms in the world are already competitive with coal, gas and nuclear plants. >>
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At the speed things are moving it will only be a matter of a decade, two at most until we are pretty well non-reliant on coal and oil.

olde.sault wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:33am:

Yes, thank you, B-Labor and foul-smellin' Greens! If not electricity being cut off, tardy-paying customers get a letter advising them to seek another supplier. Maybe GayBob should be put in a mud hut with a box of matches and a package of candles - see how he'd fare-- This is the sexual in-between who is at the steering wheel of our nation.

We should swap these dole bludging layabouts for some hard working refugees..send them back to where their convict rellies came from!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 3:15pm:

########<<The best wind farms in the world are already competitive with coal, gas and nuclear plants. >> ............................................................................. At the speed things are moving it will only be a matter of a decade, two at most until we are pretty well non-reliant on coal and oil.

Only if someone dumps lots of money into R&D to make renewables cheaper without any subsidy

It should be our national goal to achieve full human and economic equality in Australia by the end of the decade and the eradication of corporate greed and corruption.  I have the will for the struggle.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:04pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43am: cods wrote- Quote: the so called renewable will be no different They are for me, I haven't had a power bill for nine years. My brother in law had quarterly bills of 400 bucks, he got solar early this year, hasn't paid a bill since, in fact, he's making money. Same here.   In fact, I would  go so far as to say the electricity charges have become a "tax for the economically inept". If you are still paying for electricity after all these years of schemes to avoid or reduce it, you are a dill and deserve all you get. some of us cannot afford the cost up front?..as for me I live alone. how long do you think they can keep passing on the solar charges to those who cannot afford solar power??.. the NSW govt has admitted they made a huge mistake with their rebate.. now someone has to pay.. and it looks like it will be those that can ill afford to do so.... we have been told someone was paying in the region of $1600 pa..and now he is paying zero.... well someone else will be picking up that cost because the power companies are not going to be happy losing that amount of money week in week out..and so far I havent heard off mass unemployment in electricity workers.so someone has to pay them

I agree with you over the rebates. they are not sustainable for government. The idea was initially poorly thought out as we know from trade, subsidy is a bad thing. The future hope is that power companies will subsidise putting them on your house so they can get the carbon credits or you can pay for it and sell the credits you make plus enjoy the reduced power bill. Either way domestic solar has a very big future. I was looking at a new roof tile at work that is a solar panel. Not the greatest but a start. These sort of products will boom in the future as standards and community demand rise.

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:39pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:22pm: Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water.  Still got an electric oven though.... Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one  45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks.

Lol, but how often would you use it: 5 times a week? SURELY NOT??  :o

if you're truly so concerned about power being really expensive, perhaps you can explain how the coalition plans to tackle the fact that electricity has been rising above inflation for many years, and would do so with or without a carbon tax.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:13pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:39pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:22pm: Yep, I was gonna get a bigger system as I had a electric hot water system, but worked out that it'd be better value to spend the same amount of coin on solar hot water and a smaller system, as they reckon 1/4 - 1/3 of your power use is from hot water.  Still got an electric oven though.... Yea you should ditch the electric oven, I only use about one  45 kg gas bottle a year, I think the last one cost about 115 bucks. Lol, but how often would you use it: 5 times a week? SURELY NOT??  :o

No, that's work out about right...
I lived in a house with gas hotwater and stove, and the big 45kg lpg bottles lasted about 7 months....SO stove only....10 or 12 months sounds about right...

longy....this is not politics, please be consistent across the board.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 8:40am:

longy....this is not politics, please be consistent across the board.

WELL IT IS MEANT TO BE PANSI... BUT SOME TURN IT INTO A LETS SELL chinese made SOLAR PANELS..oops sorry about caps..you see CARBON TAX is going to affect POWER BILLS next year.... and yet we already have RECORD numbers of people having POWER CUT OFF due to not being able to afford it...



yet we are being bombarded with YOU WILL BE BETTER OFF...

talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them..

and this TAX will affect everything and everyone that turns a light bulb on.

and I dont care if it is so called green power.. it wont come cheap and it certainly wont be free.

talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them..

There's that lie about the price on carbon being a massive tax,AGAIN, even when EVERY  study, both government AND private prove that to be a lie,and that people will be compensated, I suppose you cant convince those that dont want to listen to the facts,or are just to stupid to comprehend them,  they 'd much prefer to sprout the lies that suit their argument.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:03am:

talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them.. There's that lie about the price on carbon being a massive tax,AGAIN, even when EVERY  study, both government AND private prove that to be a lie,and that people will be compensated, I suppose you cant convince those that dont want to listen to the facts,or are just to stupid to comprehend them,  they 'd much prefer to sprout the lies that suit their argument.

They are not facts, they are predictions.  What you call lies are just different predictions.
You will only be able to say they are facts if/when they come to pass.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:03am: talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them.. There's that lie about the price on carbon being a massive tax,AGAIN, even when EVERY  study, both government AND private prove that to be a lie,and that people will be compensated, I suppose you cant convince those that dont want to listen to the facts,or are just to stupid to comprehend them,  they 'd much prefer to sprout the lies that suit their argument. They are not facts, they are predictions.  What you call lies are just different predictions. You will only be able to say they are facts if/when they come to pass.

every study done has shown it will not be massive and that people in fact will be better off, if there was a study that showed different post it up, but it doesn't exist, because if it did the coalition would be running around claiming it had proof ,so instead they make up lies that the gullible buy.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:08am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:03am: talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them.. There's that lie about the price on carbon being a massive tax,AGAIN, even when EVERY  study, both government AND private prove that to be a lie,and that people will be compensated, I suppose you cant convince those that dont want to listen to the facts,or are just to stupid to comprehend them,  they 'd much prefer to sprout the lies that suit their argument. They are not facts, they are predictions.  What you call lies are just different predictions. You will only be able to say they are facts if/when they come to pass.

AND WHEN SOMEONE TELLS ME IN 2011 that i will be better off after this massive TAX is implimented in 2012.. when prices are skyrocketing along in the mean time... I am sorry but I dont bloody believe them...

and as the record of this govt getting anything right the first time round is bloody absymal...I rest my case.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:08am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:03am: talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them.. There's that lie about the price on carbon being a massive tax,AGAIN, even when EVERY  study, both government AND private prove that to be a lie,and that people will be compensated, I suppose you cant convince those that dont want to listen to the facts,or are just to stupid to comprehend them,  they 'd much prefer to sprout the lies that suit their argument. They are not facts, they are predictions.  What you call lies are just different predictions. You will only be able to say they are facts if/when they come to pass. every study done has shown it will not be massive and that people in fact will be better off, if there was a study that showed different post it up, but it doesn't exist, because if it did the coalition would be running around claiming it had proof ,so instead they make up lies that the gullible buy.

Do you know what a PREdiction is? It's a guess - guesses are not facts.

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so instead they make up lies that the gullible buy.  
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I rest my case.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:14am:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:08am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:03am: talk about tall tales and true..no offence but since when has anyone ever been better off????? after a massive TAX has been thrust upon them.. There's that lie about the price on carbon being a massive tax,AGAIN, even when EVERY  study, both government AND private prove that to be a lie,and that people will be compensated, I suppose you cant convince those that dont want to listen to the facts,or are just to stupid to comprehend them,  they 'd much prefer to sprout the lies that suit their argument. They are not facts, they are predictions.  What you call lies are just different predictions. You will only be able to say they are facts if/when they come to pass. every study done has shown it will not be massive and that people in fact will be better off, if there was a study that showed different post it up, but it doesn't exist, because if it did the coalition would be running around claiming it had proof ,so instead they make up lies that the gullible buy.

are they taking into account the massive increases that happened just recently or the ones that will happen again just before Xmas and then again in January, as thats what happens with utilities and petrol and the likes of pensioners prescriptions..they all increase just when you dont want them too...

not forgetting insurances and maintenance of course.. if the roof falls in the cost of repairing that will be a bit more than it was 6 months ago..


oh of course they took all that into account...silly me.. they all have crystal balls on the left I keep forgetting.they know exactly how much petrol will cost in July 2012.. as well as power... its all written down.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ so instead they make up lies that the gullible buy.   Back to top   I rest my case.

you havent got one... you are the gullible one swallow anything this lot tells you...the sky is falling...

are they taking into account the massive increases that happened just recently
Why would they? tell us, oh non gullible one, what that has to do with a price on carbon that will not even come into effect  
until July next year? Thats as stupid as saying its going to cost us more next week because in 2050 there will be a tax on flying cars,really no wonder there are so many confused people some just have no bloody idea.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:27am:

are they taking into account the massive increases that happened just recently Why would they? tell us, oh non gullible one, what that has to do with a price on carbon that will not even come into effect   until July next year? Thats as stupid as saying its going to cost us more next week because in 2050 there will be a tax on flying cars,really no wonder there are so many confused people some just have no bloody idea.

you are an?????.... the costs they are working on are todays or should I say the early part of the years costs..if the price of spuds was $2 a kilo in march 2011... they are saying they will only cost 1% more in July 2012..

and that is what she has based her compensation figures on...

*The Government says its $10.10 average weekly compensation package will cover the $9.90 projected average weekly increase in household costs.

Government MPs privately expressed hope the Bills' passage marked a turning point in the Government's electoral fortunes.*



no one knows what the price of spuds or anything else will be in June 2012....

yet you believe we will only be paying 9.90 a week more than we are now..thats why you will be getting 10.10 back..[thats all been worked out]

everything is now based on percentages...if spuds go up 1% that means they will cost. $2.02 per kilo in July 2012...this just wont happen..

can you honestly predict petrol will cost $1.35 + 1% a litre in July 2012...which is what it was around the time they worked out these costings..


unless you have the future  prices they were working on when they worked out these figures.


if I spend $100 pw on living costs [now]and they go up by 1% which is what we are being told...that means my cost of living will increase in 12 months to $101 pw.. sorry if I laugh...

so what cost of living figures are they working on???? I dont think you know..yet you believe you will be better off..

C'mon, Cods, you should know by now that there are certain uplift formulas applied to Centrelink payments at various intervals - and that the compensation being offered here is over and above the usual periodic adjustments! This compensation has been calculated on the basis of complex carbon price modeling by treasury officials.

Heck, more than a decade on, certain Centrelink payments still include a GST compensation component!

Equitist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:42pm:

C'mon, Cods, you should know by now that there are certain uplift formulas applied to Centrelink payments at various intervals - and that the compensation being offered here is over and above the usual periodic adjustments! This compensation has been calculated on the basis of complex carbon price modeling by treasury officials. Heck, more than a decade on, certain Centrelink payments still include a GST compensation component!

ah.ah.ah... nem the lifts we get are based on previous 3 months figures not future figures...a miniscle amount of compensation something like $5..by the time we get our $7 believe me... well no you wont... wait untill its your turn.I think we get a payment now and then for the phone which is/was $16.... then again that may all be incorporated into the weekly pay increasewe got..only after they took the bonus payments off us..

of course $16 goes a long way towards a phone bill these days.


do you have th actual costing figures they used for this exercise nem... it would be interesting to know instead of guessing..how they would know what I pay in insurance I wouldnt know..as I dont know myself what I will be charged next year...

it would be handy to know after all is said and done..if they could tell us what power will be costing in 12 m onths time it would give us all a chance to save for it.. dont you think? at least they could say well you were warned...

it would be handy to know after all is said and done..if they could tell us what power will be costing in 12 m onths time it would give us all a chance to save for it.. dont you think? at least they could say well you were warned...

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It is going up and up every minute. Be warned!

A little tip from a friend cods, save for it, as hard as you can. Cheap power is finished until the renewables come in.

If people do not pay for something then they forfeit the rights to have it supplied to them.

Before using something, you are best advised to work out if you can pay for it in the first place.

Personally I would love to drive a Ferrari or Hummer.

Unfortunately I cannot afford one so I don't ask for one to be delivered.

I have no sympathy for people crying poor when they are asked to pay for something they have used. Be it power, TV, white goods, etc.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:37pm:

If people do not pay for something then they forfeit the rights to have it supplied to them. Before using something, you are best advised to work out if you can pay for it in the first place. Personally I would love to drive a Ferrari or Hummer. Unfortunately I cannot afford one so I don't ask for one to be delivered. I have no sympathy for people crying poor when they are asked to pay for something they have used. Be it power, TV, white goods, etc.

Me either. They should all be chartered accountants.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 3:01pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:37pm: If people do not pay for something then they forfeit the rights to have it supplied to them. Before using something, you are best advised to work out if you can pay for it in the first place. Personally I would love to drive a Ferrari or Hummer. Unfortunately I cannot afford one so I don't ask for one to be delivered. I have no sympathy for people crying poor when they are asked to pay for something they have used. Be it power, TV, white goods, etc. Me either. They should all be chartered accountants.

Would help them budget.

It's not a coincidence that we are both CA's and we have no home budget issues whatsoever is it?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 3:29pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:01pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:37pm: If people do not pay for something then they forfeit the rights to have it supplied to them. Before using something, you are best advised to work out if you can pay for it in the first place. Personally I would love to drive a Ferrari or Hummer. Unfortunately I cannot afford one so I don't ask for one to be delivered. I have no sympathy for people crying poor when they are asked to pay for something they have used. Be it power, TV, white goods, etc. Me either. They should all be chartered accountants. Would help them budget. It's not a coincidence that we are both CA's and we have no home budget issues whatsoever is it?

It's not a coincidence. Everyone should be CA if they know what's good for them.......I get sick of stupid people who want to get into debt.