Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here?

When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government.

After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government.

They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat.

So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them.

Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here?


Probably the same as you would do,mellie, earn it or sell their possessions, you dont have to be poor to be a refugee you know.

I don't know* where they get the initial outlay from, but thanks to my good friend and resident genius, alevine, I can categorically say that the afghan ones DON'T get their money from the drug trade.  Wherever they got it from, you can rest assured that it was from the 2/3 of the afghan economy that DOESN'T come from opium.  Of course, even though Afghnaistan is also the worlds largest producer of Hash, they were not, I repeat WERE NOT involved in that either.  
The mainly teenage/early 20's boys who come on the boats are obviously just really astute investors, and save the money they get from such major afghan markets as pomegranate farming or soap making very wisely, enabling them to accrue over 10 years average wage to pay for the journey.  Judging by this display of their financial acumen, we can conclude that they are financial geniuses, and it is only racism that stops them from becoming the next Bill Gates.

Skip,
Typical Labor style response - selectively copy a single sentence and then try to discuss it out of context.

Don't you realize that, when you do this, all you are saying is that you have nothing worthwhile to contribute.

Try to answer the real issue - are you happy to be paying for 100's of refugees to illegally accept gormless Gillard's invitation for any and all refugees to come to Australia.

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:18am:

Skip, Typical Labor style response - selectively copy a single sentence and then try to discuss it out of context. Don't you realize that, when you do this, all you are saying is that you have nothing worthwhile to contribute. Try to answer the real issue - are you happy to be paying for 100's of refugees to illegally accept gormless Gillard's invitation for any and all refugees to come to Australia.

Oh I'm out of context by addressing your opening sentence.In fact, it was  the only part of the post that had a question mark, silly me for assuming you were asking a question. I dont like this new sock,mel.

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them.

While aslyum seeker are in detention they don't get any welfare payments same as people in prison so before you put your B/S up here check your facts. The only welfare they get is when they get out of detention is one week unemployment benfit and the next week they get a fortnight benfit same as prisoners.

wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them.

That's a pretty poor try, liar. Maybe your next porkie will be better.

(but I doubt it)  :D

It looks like mellie has gone off to lick her wounds yet again, she must get sick of being shown up as a fraud.

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them.

Navy personnel have already stated that many go aboard the patrol boats from the smugglers boat with bulging money belts strapped on, minus passports and other forms of identification etc.
They are not asked where the money comes from, and the money belts are not seized but are left with the boat person.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. Navy personnel have already stated that many go aboard the patrol boats from the smugglers boat with bulging money belts strapped on, minus passports and other forms of identification etc. They are not asked where the money comes from, and the money belts are not seized but are left with the boat person.

Why would/should the money be seized,chook?

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:17am:

I don't know* where they get the initial outlay from, but thanks to my good friend and resident genius, alevine, I can categorically say that the afghan ones DON'T get their money from the drug trade.  Wherever they got it from, you can rest assured that it was from the 2/3 of the afghan economy that DOESN'T come from opium.  Of course, even though Afghnaistan is also the worlds largest producer of Hash, they were not, I repeat WERE NOT involved in that either.   The mainly teenage/early 20's boys who come on the boats are obviously just really astute investors, and save the money they get from such major afghan markets as pomegranate farming or soap making very wisely, enabling them to accrue over 10 years average wage to pay for the journey.  Judging by this display of their financial acumen, we can conclude that they are financial geniuses, and it is only racism that stops them from becoming the next Bill Gates.

Perhaps race 8 at Flemington gave them the required funds?

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. That's a pretty poor try, liar. Maybe your next porkie will be better. (but I doubt it)  :D

Looks like we have a TT watcher

I know i'm wasting my time because it's a commie pinko run organisation but try this on


Quote:

But Today Tonight's entire report was aimed at fuelling the myth that refugees are given extraordinary treatment. "Margaret Thomas: Well what have they contributed to our country? Nothing. And they're giving them more money than we get. — Channel Seven, Today Tonight, 10th October, 2011" And where did Margaret Thomas get that idea? Well, she says, from Today Tonight. She told us that the reporter had ... "...showed me on his phone the video of that bloke saying he got $400 a week. Now that just got me very angry. ... I didn't know he was getting $400 a fortnight. I think that's very sad and Channel 7 should not do that...I would have preferred to have been told the truth — Margaret Thomas, 15th October, 2011"

http://www.abc.net.au/mediawatch/transcripts/s3346987.htm

skippy. wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:07pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 12:05pm: juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. Navy personnel have already stated that many go aboard the patrol boats from the smugglers boat with bulging money belts strapped on, minus passports and other forms of identification etc. They are not asked where the money comes from, and the money belts are not seized but are left with the boat person. Why would/should the money be seized, chook?

It probably shouldn't be unless it can be proven it is the proceeds of a crime, which of course it cant be.

What business is it of yours juliar mellie where they got the money from. Can an asylum seeker be a millionaire? I can't see why not. Money has nothing to do with seeking asylum and I wish you would give up on the lies about them getting a government benefit whilst they are in detention.

Gotta luv another round of reffo bashing  :D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. Navy personnel have already stated that many go aboard the patrol boats from the smugglers boat with bulging money belts strapped on, minus passports and other forms of identification etc. They are not asked where the money comes from, and the money belts are not seized but are left with the boat person.

If they got any money on them at all it is taken off them and put in a trust account which they can access at anytime to buy personal items.

Back to the OP


juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them.

Why would the government give aslyum seekers welfare payments while they are in detention when the government has to feed them, clothe them, house them, have medical and psycho there for them?

Media Watch report re this matter is erroneous as the fact is refugees do get payments as asylum seekers in Australia awaiting decision on their protection claims even though they are not eligible for Centrelink.

However, DIAC provide payments to certain asylum seekers awaiting processing who are suffering severe financial hardship. In 2009, 2,692 asylum seekers qualified for this payment.

The Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme (ASAS), funded by DIAC and administered by the Red Cross, provides the main source of income support and other social services for community-based asylum seekers suffering financial hardship.

Asylum seekers are eligible to receive financial support at a maximum rate of 89% of the Centrelink Newstart Allowance or Special Benefit Allowance (paid at equivalent rates).

The maximum fortnightly Newstart payment for a single person with no children is $462.80 (as at 1July 2010).

Accordingly, the maximum payment a single asylum seeker can receive under ASAS is $411.89 a fortnight.

So $10,000 after one year is about right. Plus while in detention they don't have to pay rent, electricity, water and for food. Tt costs the tax payer $4m on smokes per year as well.

So with out exaggeration with food, no rent etc $10,000 would be half what they get out of us, the figure is probably in the vicinity of $20,000.

So you refugees come on a leaky boat - $3,000 to $5,000 and get back a bare minimum 4 times that.

Plus, there is a chance they will get a $1m payout for being imprisoned anyway.

Don't forget free internet, free medical, free dental.

Then when they are released from detention they get handouts for having children. So they pump out as many as they can.

The women are married but make out they are single so they get even more monetary benefits as single mother.

If they can't find accommodation some agency puts them up for free in a budget motel.

In the meantime our pensioners are dining out on a tin of dog food.
Get real you socialist dreamers.

Why would the government give aslyum seekers welfare payments while they are in detention when the government has to feed them, clothe them, house them, have medical and psycho there for them?  
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there was something about the govy buying cigarettes for them.. so I guess we are now awaiting them sueing for  encouraging them to harm their health   havent we already been sued for mental problems they never had untill they arrived onshore in Australia

All sound to me like excellent reasons not to be detaining them for so long in the first place.

Good job, liar, cods. I'd give you one silver star each but they cost too much. Give yourself a pat on the back.

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Media Watch report re this matter is erroneous as the fact is refugees do get payments as asylum seekers in Australia awaiting decision on their protection claims even though they are not eligible for Centrelink. However, DIAC provide payments to certain asylum seekers awaiting processing who are suffering severe financial hardship. In 2009, 2,692 asylum seekers qualified for this payment. The Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme (ASAS), funded by DIAC and administered by the Red Cross, provides the main source of income support and other social services for community-based asylum seekers suffering financial hardship. Asylum seekers are eligible to receive financial support at a maximum rate of 89% of the Centrelink Newstart Allowance or Special Benefit Allowance (paid at equivalent rates). The maximum fortnightly Newstart payment for a single person with no children is $462.80 (as at 1July 2010). Accordingly, the maximum payment a single asylum seeker can receive under ASAS is $411.89 a fortnight. So $10,000 after one year is about right. Plus while in detention they don't have to pay rent, electricity, water and for food. Tt costs the tax payer $4m on smokes per year as well. So with out exaggeration with food, no rent etc $10,000 would be half what they get out of us, the figure is probably in the vicinity of $20,000. So you refugees come on a leaky boat - $3,000 to $5,000 and get back a bare minimum 4 times that. Plus, there is a chance they will get a $1m payout for being imprisoned anyway. Don't forget free internet, free medical, free dental. Then when they are released from detention they get handouts for having children. So they pump out as many as they can. The women are married but make out they are single so they get even more monetary benefits as single mother. If they can't find accommodation some agency puts them up for free in a budget motel. In the meantime our pensioners are dining out on a tin of dog food. Get real you socialist dreamers.

You are a Fool.

I hope one day you will be in a desperate, life threatening situation and need urgent assistance, and of course I would expect you to shun any such help.

This would be prudent as it is obvious to all that you are totally beyond helping.

Keep on gronkin' cracker scum.

Gist wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:52pm:

All sound to me like excellent reasons not to be detaining them for so long in the first place. Good job, liar, cods. I'd give you one silver star each but they cost too much. Give yourself a pat on the back.

EXCUSE ME IF YOU ARE CALLING ME A LIAR HAVE THE DECENCY TO POINT OUT WHERE

They were referring to juLIAR you plum duff.

Hypertensions much methinks.

Asylum seekers should not be banged up in detention centres anyway..if they are in the community while awaiting their cases they can work and contribute to society instead of rotting away in detention.

cods wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:56pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:52pm: All sound to me like excellent reasons not to be detaining them for so long in the first place. Good job, liar, cods. I'd give you one silver star each but they cost too much. Give yourself a pat on the back. EXCUSE ME IF YOU ARE CALLING ME A LIAR HAVE THE DECENCY TO POINT OUT WHERE

I know you don't hold much with commas, cods, so I can understand your mistake. But Tonysafony is correct - it's a handy (and often apt!) abbreviation of juliar.

I hope one day you will be in a desperate, life threatening situation and need urgent assistance, and of course I would expect you to shun any such help.

This would be prudent as it is obvious to all that you are totally beyond helping.

Keep on gronkin' cracker scum.
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WHAT A LITTLE CHARMER YOU ARE... SO YOU DONT BELIEVE JULIAR
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Assistance for asylum seekers
The Australian Government administers programs which provide assistance for eligible asylum seekers during the period in which their applications for protection are processed. This may include:

•financial assistance under the Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme (ASAS)
•casework services through the Australian Red Cross under ASAS
•legal assistance for preparing an application for a protection visa under the Immigration Advice and Application Assistance Scheme (IAAAS)
•providing permission to work in Australia
•facilitating access to Medicare.
Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme (ASAS)
The Asylum Seeker Assistance Scheme (ASAS) is administered by the Australian Red Cross under contract to the department. ASAS provides financial assistance to protection visa applicants who satisfy specific eligibility criteria. ASAS also facilitates casework assistance through professionals employed by the Red Cross to relieve difficulties experienced by vulnerable asylum seekers in the Australian community.

The ASAS eligibility criteria are described below. To apply for ASAS, asylum seekers should approach an office of the Red Cross in the capital city of their nearest state or territory.

ASAS eligibility criteria
An asylum seeker may be eligible for ASAS if they have a valid application for a protection visa lodged with the department and where:

•the date of lodgement of the protection visa application is more than six months old and the applicant is waiting for a decision
•the date of lodgement of the protection visa application is less than six months old, the applicant is waiting for a decision and meets one of the ASAS exemption criteria
•the protection visa application was refused by the department and the applicant has lodged an application for review by the Refugee Review Tribunal and continues to meet the ASAS exemption criteria
•the applicant is not in immigration detention
•the applicant holds a visa
•the applicant is not be eligible for either Australian or overseas government income support.
ASAS exemption criteria
Exemptions to ASAS eligibility criteria may be available to vulnerable asylum seekers who are suffering hardship and are unable to meet their basic needs because they lack adequate support within the community. These applicants may include:

•unaccompanied minors
•elderly persons
•families with children under 18 years old
•people who are unable to work due to a disability, illness, care responsibilities or the effects of torture or trauma
•people experiencing financial hardship resulting from a change in circumstances since arriving in Australia.
Financial assistance
Asylum seekers who are eligible for ASAS may receive payments of limited financial assistance through the Red Cross to reduce the burden of everyday living expenses.

Recipients of ASAS may also receive payments to cover some of the costs associated with the processing of their application for a protection visa.

Financial assistance through ASAS ceases:

•upon the grant of a protection visa
•28 days after notification by the department that the application for a protection visa has been refused.

try reading the ASAS site if you are in doubt.

I think they have far more places to turn to than a pensioner does.. thats for sure.

and before you implode I dont begrudge anyone anything..but far too many on here do begrudge pensioners.. and I have never seen a lefty stick up for them EVER

What are you on about?
My old Granny is on a pension and so is my Grandad.

They are 90 odd and worked their tits off to deserve it.

Health issues at that age gobble up any super or savings that they had left(there goes the inheritance).

I support them so there you go cranky pants.

REFUGEES IN DETENTION CENTRES

Asylum seekers in immigration detention centres receive a small allowance but do not receive Centrelink equivalent payments.43

Government website

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/AsylumFacts.pdf


Get it tattoo'd on your forehead matty/mellie/log_me_in/juliar

Now that everyone agrees that we, the Australian taxpayers, are paying to bring refugees to Australia there is a rather alarming lesson for Australia to be learned from Greece.

With an official population of just 11 million, half that of Australia, Greece now hosts a staggering 1 million illegal immigrants and asylum seekers.

About 6,879 people landed there last year, but Greece is now trying to cope with 128,000 appearing over the horizon.

As Greece slides towards the abyss of political and economic chaos, the country's enormous undocumented immigrant community is being blamed for adding to its woes.

Illegal immigrants who have swamped Greece's borders are accused of exacerbating the financial crisis that now threatens to infect other eurozone nations.

The annual cost of sustaining this immigrant population - in terms of healthcare, crime and impact on legitimate businesses - is estimated at 6 billion euros, says the president of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, Constantine Michalos.

If one ponders the comparison between Greece and Australia, an alarming picture emerges which presages dire consequences for Australia.

One imagines that some time ago the number of refugees entering Greece was probably something like the alarming number entering Australia now but the lackadaisical Grecian Government probably compared the number of refugees entering Greece with the number of refugees entering some other other country and decided Greece had nothing to worry about.

The chaotic state Greece is in now is partly as a result of their gross negligence and indolence in not taking the necessary and decisive action needed to control the number of unwanted refugees trying to enter the Grecian land of milk and honey.

The disastrous situation Greece now finds itself in, as a direct result of its negligence in not taking action to control the number of unwanted refugees entering its borders by stealth, is a STARK WARNING for AUSTRALIA whose grossly incompetent government has now opened the flood gates to any and all refugees.

So if we want to know what Australia will be like after a while then we need only look to Greece to see our future unless we get rid of the current laughable Labor government which is an insult to all Australians.

There is a rumor that, when the Americans move into Darwin, they will assist in encouraging the flood of refugees to look somewhere else. There is also the rumor that the Americans are moving into Darwin  because there is an increasing fear that Australia will be invaded from the north to seize our food and mineral resources.

cods<<and I have never seen a lefty stick up for them EVER >>
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You must have missed my hundreds of posts sticking up for pensioners (remember the Australian Greens got you a rise) and unemployed and all low income earners. The ID Kat is also left and sticks up for pensioners too. Lefties are socialists of course they are sympathetic to the downtrodden.

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

Now that everyone agrees that we, the Australian taxpayers, are paying to bring refugees to Australia there is a rather alarming lesson for Australia to be learned from Greece. With an official population of just 11 million, half that of Australia, Greece now hosts a staggering 1 million illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. About 6,879 people landed there last year, but Greece is now trying to cope with 128,000 appearing over the horizon. As Greece slides towards the abyss of political and economic chaos, the country's enormous undocumented immigrant community is being blamed for adding to its woes. Illegal immigrants who have swamped Greece's borders are accused of exacerbating the financial crisis that now threatens to infect other eurozone nations. The annual cost of sustaining this immigrant population - in terms of healthcare, crime and impact on legitimate businesses - is estimated at 6 billion euros, says the president of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, Constantine Michalos. If one ponders the comparison between Greece and Australia, an alarming picture emerges which presages dire consequences for Australia. One imagines that some time ago the number of refugees entering Greece was probably something like the alarming number entering Australia now but the lackadaisical Grecian Government probably compared the number of refugees entering Greece with the number of refugees entering some other other country and decided Greece had nothing to worry about. The chaotic state Greece is in now is partly as a result of their gross negligence and indolence in not taking the necessary and decisive action needed to control the number of unwanted refugees trying to enter the Grecian land of milk and honey. The disastrous situation Greece now finds itself in, as a direct result of its negligence in not taking action to control the number of unwanted refugees entering its borders by stealth, is a STARK WARNING for AUSTRALIA whose grossly incompetent government has now opened the flood gates to any and all refugees. So if we want to know what Australia will be like after a while then we need only look to Greece to see our future unless we get rid of the current laughable Labor government which is an insult to all Australians. There is a rumor that, when the Americans move into Darwin, they will assist in encouraging the flood of refugees to look somewhere else. There is also the rumor that the Americans are moving into Darwin  because there is an increasing fear that Australia will be invaded from the north to seize our food and mineral resources.

You haven't a clue about Greece, or Australia for that matter.

Greece's financial woes stem from non payment of taxes by the wealthy and middle class cheats.

They believe that all that fancy stuff like collecting their garbage and training police was someone else's problem, and so corrupt officials let it all slide for a few drachmas in the kick.

Hey Presto, one basket case economy.

Now over the pond they call the Mediterranean Sea is a continent called Africa (that's right Deepest Darkest Africa), and in the north of Africa are some Arab countries that have been protesting and fighting for their freedom from totalitarian dictators and murdering tyrants.

These countries are handily located when it comes to Greece, Italy, Cypress, Sicily, Lampedusa etc etc, and hop on a boat for a few hours and you are in these places.

So Libya and Tunisia and Egypt all had upheavals and thousands of hopefuls jumped at the chance to improve their lot in the Eurozone, literally hours away.

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

Now that everyone agrees that we, the Australian taxpayers, are paying to bring refugees to Australia there is a rather alarming lesson for Australia to be learned from Greece. With an official population of just 11 million, half that of Australia, Greece now hosts a staggering 1 million illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. About 6,879 people landed there last year, but Greece is now trying to cope with 128,000 appearing over the horizon. As Greece slides towards the abyss of political and economic chaos, the country's enormous undocumented immigrant community is being blamed for adding to its woes. Illegal immigrants who have swamped Greece's borders are accused of exacerbating the financial crisis that now threatens to infect other eurozone nations. The annual cost of sustaining this immigrant population - in terms of healthcare, crime and impact on legitimate businesses - is estimated at 6 billion euros, says the president of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, Constantine Michalos. If one ponders the comparison between Greece and Australia, an alarming picture emerges which presages dire consequences for Australia. One imagines that some time ago the number of refugees entering Greece was probably something like the alarming number entering Australia now but the lackadaisical Grecian Government probably compared the number of refugees entering Greece with the number of refugees entering some other other country and decided Greece had nothing to worry about. The chaotic state Greece is in now is partly as a result of their gross negligence and indolence in not taking the necessary and decisive action needed to control the number of unwanted refugees trying to enter the Grecian land of milk and honey. The disastrous situation Greece now finds itself in, as a direct result of its negligence in not taking action to control the number of unwanted refugees entering its borders by stealth, is a STARK WARNING for AUSTRALIA whose grossly incompetent government has now opened the flood gates to any and all refugees. So if we want to know what Australia will be like after a while then we need only look to Greece to see our future unless we get rid of the current laughable Labor government which is an insult to all Australians. There is a rumor that, when the Americans move into Darwin, they will assist in encouraging the flood of refugees to look somewhere else. There is also the rumor that the Americans are moving into Darwin  because there is an increasing fear that Australia will be invaded from the north to seize our food and mineral resources.

Well where else would an attack come from? Antarctica? New Zealand??? Why do you think such a big chunk of our armed forces are already stationed in the north??? Has it never occurred to you that this has been the basis of our defense plan for years now??

Last I checked, asylum seekers that are in detention do not receive welfare.  

But nice try.

anyway, everybody knows...well....Wesley at least knows... that all refugees afford to come by boat because they are drug dealers, prostitutes and pirates. In fact, anyone from North Africa or middle east who arrives in Australia, regardless if they come on a skilled visa or as a refugee, are prostitutes, drug lords and pirates. Derr.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

anyway, everybody knows...well....Wesley at least knows... that all refugees afford to come by boat because they are drug dealers, prostitutes and pirates. In fact, anyone from North Africa or middle east who arrives in Australia, regardless if they come on a skilled visa or as a refugee, are prostitutes, drug lords and pirates. Derr.

Fraid Ive never said anything of the sort about anyone other than Agfhans alevine, and you know that.  

What do you gain by making poo up?

Its basic lending principles

Security of cashflow ie can you afford the laon

Anyone who come to Australia knows there's a welfare system once they get their refugee status ie guaranteed cashflow to send money back home to pay off the debt

Dr Brown wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:15pm:

juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 5:49pm: Now that everyone agrees that we, the Australian taxpayers, are paying to bring refugees to Australia there is a rather alarming lesson for Australia to be learned from Greece. With an official population of just 11 million, half that of Australia, Greece now hosts a staggering 1 million illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. About 6,879 people landed there last year, but Greece is now trying to cope with 128,000 appearing over the horizon. As Greece slides towards the abyss of political and economic chaos, the country's enormous undocumented immigrant community is being blamed for adding to its woes. Illegal immigrants who have swamped Greece's borders are accused of exacerbating the financial crisis that now threatens to infect other eurozone nations. The annual cost of sustaining this immigrant population - in terms of healthcare, crime and impact on legitimate businesses - is estimated at 6 billion euros, says the president of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, Constantine Michalos. If one ponders the comparison between Greece and Australia, an alarming picture emerges which presages dire consequences for Australia. One imagines that some time ago the number of refugees entering Greece was probably something like the alarming number entering Australia now but the lackadaisical Grecian Government probably compared the number of refugees entering Greece with the number of refugees entering some other other country and decided Greece had nothing to worry about. The chaotic state Greece is in now is partly as a result of their gross negligence and indolence in not taking the necessary and decisive action needed to control the number of unwanted refugees trying to enter the Grecian land of milk and honey. The disastrous situation Greece now finds itself in, as a direct result of its negligence in not taking action to control the number of unwanted refugees entering its borders by stealth, is a STARK WARNING for AUSTRALIA whose grossly incompetent government has now opened the flood gates to any and all refugees. So if we want to know what Australia will be like after a while then we need only look to Greece to see our future unless we get rid of the current laughable Labor government which is an insult to all Australians. There is a rumor that, when the Americans move into Darwin, they will assist in encouraging the flood of refugees to look somewhere else. There is also the rumor that the Americans are moving into Darwin  because there is an increasing fear that Australia will be invaded from the north to seize our food and mineral resources. You haven't a clue about Greece, or Australia for that matter. Greece's financial woes stem from non payment of taxes by the wealthy and middle class cheats. They believe that all that fancy stuff like collecting their garbage and training police was someone else's problem, and so corrupt officials let it all slide for a few drachmas in the kick. Hey Presto, one basket case economy. Now over the pond they call the Mediterranean Sea is a continent called Africa (that's right Deepest Darkest Africa), and in the north of Africa are some Arab countries that have been protesting and fighting for their freedom from totalitarian dictators and murdering tyrants. These countries are handily located when it comes to Greece, Italy, Cypress, Sicily, Lampedusa etc etc, and hop on a boat for a few hours and you are in these places. So Libya and Tunisia and Egypt all had upheavals and thousands of hopefuls jumped at the chance to improve their lot in the Eurozone, literally hours away.

Further:


Quote:

Gaddafi: Europe will 'turn black' unless EU pays Libya £4bn a year Col Muammar Gaddafi has warned that Europe runs the risk of turning "black" unless the EU pays Libya at least €5 billion (£4.1 billion) a year to block the arrival of illegal immigrants from Africa.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/7973649/Gaddafi-Europe-will-turn-black-unless-EU-pays-Libya-4bn-a-year.html

Migration as a weapon.  It's done a bit of damage wouldn't you say?

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:29pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:27pm: anyway, everybody knows...well....Wesley at least knows... that all refugees afford to come by boat because they are drug dealers, prostitutes and pirates. In fact, anyone from North Africa or middle east who arrives in Australia, regardless if they come on a skilled visa or as a refugee, are prostitutes, drug lords and pirates. Derr. Fraid Ive never said anything of the sort about anyone other than Agfhans alevine, and you know that.   What do you gain by making poo up?

Wesley? ;D  Why you change your nick for? :(

I'm simply explaining to juliar here how it is refugees have money. According to you, everyone of them is a drug lord, prostitute or pirate.  

Maqqa wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:30pm:

Its basic lending principles Security of cashflow ie can you afford the laon Anyone who come to Australia knows there's a welfare system once they get their refugee status ie guaranteed cashflow to send money back home to pay off the debt

Ahh yes, that $400 a fortnight they receive. With the rent they pay, the food they buy, the travelling they need to do, the electricity bill, the water bill, well heck! They've still got around... $398 a fortnight to send back home? ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:43pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:29pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:27pm: anyway, everybody knows...well....Wesley at least knows... that all refugees afford to come by boat because they are drug dealers, prostitutes and pirates. In fact, anyone from North Africa or middle east who arrives in Australia, regardless if they come on a skilled visa or as a refugee, are prostitutes, drug lords and pirates. Derr. Fraid Ive never said anything of the sort about anyone other than Agfhans alevine, and you know that.   What do you gain by making poo up? Wesley? ;D  Why you change your nick for? :( I'm simply explaining to juliar here how it is refugees have money. According to you, everyone of them is a drug lord, prostitute or pirate.

The one you call '"wesley" is no more.

there is only the truth now.....

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:44pm:

The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now.....

I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;)

But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)  

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:47pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)

Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?  


It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates.
It also was very specific about the country - Afghanistan.
Drug lords is a gross exagggeration.
I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee.

so your summary is 0% correct.  please try harder.

where do refugees get money from for boat trip ?

probably from their wallet, Pocket or bank account?

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might...

Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)  

I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D

But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.  

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 7:58pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.

Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade.

So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:11pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.   Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade. So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo.

Interesting of course that the opium trade only jumped to its now normal heights after the war began, and the refugees we receive who happen to be Afghanis are not coming from Afghanistan direct to Malaysia.  But of course, let's ignore this and instead just concentrate on some ill thought up bubble and mark that as fact. Seems you aren't very good at truth after all.

This of course leaves us back to the original generalisation that because people in that region earn such a small income compared to the boat fees it must be that they are all pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers.

;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:20pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:11pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.   Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade. So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo. Interesting of course that the opium trade only jumped to its now normal heights after the war began, and the refugees we receive who happen to be Afghanis are not coming from Afghanistan direct to Malaysia.  But of course, let's ignore this and instead just concentrate on some ill thought up bubble and mark that as fact. Seems you aren't very good at truth after all. This of course leaves us back to the original generalisation that because people in that region earn such a small income compared to the boat fees it must be that they are all pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers. ;D

You're going round in circles son.  didn't we clear up this "all pirates and prostitutes" malarkey?

hell, I'd he happy if you admitted that just 1 afghan refugee was in some way connected to the drug trade. The probability of that is 1:1.  It's a given. A done deal.  A lock. The unbackable favourite.  Why does admitting the truth trouble you so much young one?

Open your mind and your heart to the truth, my child.  It will set you free.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:43pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:20pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:11pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.   Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade. So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo. Interesting of course that the opium trade only jumped to its now normal heights after the war began, and the refugees we receive who happen to be Afghanis are not coming from Afghanistan direct to Malaysia.  But of course, let's ignore this and instead just concentrate on some ill thought up bubble and mark that as fact. Seems you aren't very good at truth after all. This of course leaves us back to the original generalisation that because people in that region earn such a small income compared to the boat fees it must be that they are all pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers. ;D You're going round in circles son.  didn't we clear up this "all pirates and prostitutes" malarkey? hell, I'd he happy if you admitted that just 1 afghan refugee was in some way connected to the drug trade. The probability of that is 1:1.  It's a given. A done deal.  A lock. The unbackable favourite.  Why does admitting the truth trouble you so much young one? Open your mind and your heart to the truth, my child.  It will set you free.

Could I trouble you to provide one bit of evidence to back up this claim?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:47pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:20pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:11pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.   Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade. So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo. Interesting of course that the opium trade only jumped to its now normal heights after the war began, and the refugees we receive who happen to be Afghanis are not coming from Afghanistan direct to Malaysia.  But of course, let's ignore this and instead just concentrate on some ill thought up bubble and mark that as fact. Seems you aren't very good at truth after all. This of course leaves us back to the original generalisation that because people in that region earn such a small income compared to the boat fees it must be that they are all pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers. ;D You're going round in circles son.  didn't we clear up this "all pirates and prostitutes" malarkey? hell, I'd he happy if you admitted that just 1 afghan refugee was in some way connected to the drug trade. The probability of that is 1:1.  It's a given. A done deal.  A lock. The unbackable favourite.  Why does admitting the truth trouble you so much young one? Open your mind and your heart to the truth, my child.  It will set you free. Could I trouble you to provide one bit of evidence to back up this claim?

Certainly, my good man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:52pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:20pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:11pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.   Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade. So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo. Interesting of course that the opium trade only jumped to its now normal heights after the war began, and the refugees we receive who happen to be Afghanis are not coming from Afghanistan direct to Malaysia.  But of course, let's ignore this and instead just concentrate on some ill thought up bubble and mark that as fact. Seems you aren't very good at truth after all. This of course leaves us back to the original generalisation that because people in that region earn such a small income compared to the boat fees it must be that they are all pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers. ;D You're going round in circles son.  didn't we clear up this "all pirates and prostitutes" malarkey? hell, I'd he happy if you admitted that just 1 afghan refugee was in some way connected to the drug trade. The probability of that is 1:1.  It's a given. A done deal.  A lock. The unbackable favourite.  Why does admitting the truth trouble you so much young one? Open your mind and your heart to the truth, my child.  It will set you free. Could I trouble you to provide one bit of evidence to back up this claim? Certainly, my good man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability

:) so u dont have any evidence.  Tell me, Mr truth, if the opium trade rose exponentially after the war, and the refugees we receive are not coming from Afghanistan direct, what is the probability?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 8:54pm:

... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:52pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:43pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:20pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 8:11pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:58pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:53pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:47pm: ... wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 7:44pm: The one you call '"wesley" is no more. there is only the truth now..... I preferred Wesley - at least he wasn't THAT deluded. ;) But seriously, how can anyone from the Middle East or Africa, where their average income a year is less than the payment for a seat on a boat, afford to come here? You summed it up very well with your observation that they must all be prostitutes, drug lords or pirates. :)   Ahh but my observation was much more specific than that wasn't it?   It said nothing about it being "all of them" and never mentioned prostitutes or pirates. Drug lords is a gross exagggeration. I merely said 'from the opium trade' as it's not likely that high level players would flee....but mules, farmers or small time dealers might... Apologies, you are correct. Going by your observations its drug mules, small time dealers, prostitutes or pirates. :)   I'm simply extending your observation and making generalisations, something I must admit I am still learning.   Perhaps you can teach me, being an expert in the field?  ;D But you did make your observation based on the fact that on average Afghanis make $900 a year - a shared reality within that region and North Africa. That being the case, we must be getting ALL of the bad seeds. It can't be possible that we'd be getting people with skills who are genuinly fleeing persectution. Not based on your generalisations.   Ah but you see, my student, that while the average income may be similar, it is only afghanistan that earns 1/3 of its GDP from the opium trade, and is the worlds largest producer of hash.  One would think that a single industry that accounts for 1/3 of a countries GDP, would have more than 1 or 2 employees, and no other industry has quick cash on offer like the drug trade. So, my disciple, such observations do require an element of thought.  It may seem futile to aim for such lofty goals now, but practice hard, and maybe one day, you might be able to offer an opinion worth more than its weight in poo. Interesting of course that the opium trade only jumped to its now normal heights after the war began, and the refugees we receive who happen to be Afghanis are not coming from Afghanistan direct to Malaysia.  But of course, let's ignore this and instead just concentrate on some ill thought up bubble and mark that as fact. Seems you aren't very good at truth after all. This of course leaves us back to the original generalisation that because people in that region earn such a small income compared to the boat fees it must be that they are all pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers. ;D You're going round in circles son.  didn't we clear up this "all pirates and prostitutes" malarkey? hell, I'd he happy if you admitted that just 1 afghan refugee was in some way connected to the drug trade. The probability of that is 1:1.  It's a given. A done deal.  A lock. The unbackable favourite.  Why does admitting the truth trouble you so much young one? Open your mind and your heart to the truth, my child.  It will set you free. Could I trouble you to provide one bit of evidence to back up this claim? Certainly, my good man. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability :) so u dont have any evidence.  Tell me, Mr truth, if the opium trade rose exponentially after the war, and the refugees we receive are not coming from Afghanistan direct, what is the probability?

If the war is over, then it has been over for several years.  



Quote:

2007 August - Opium production has soared to a record high, the UN reports.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12024253

A record high in 2007.


Quote:

After the Taliban were driven out of power in 2001, opium made an astonishing comeback in the impoverished Afghan countryside. By 2006, twenty-one of Afghanistan's thirty-four provinces were producing 94 percent of the world's supply--estimated at a pre-export value of $4 billion and equivalent to nearly 50 percent of the country's GDP.

http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/good-bad-news-afghan-opium/p21372

50% of the nations GDP in 2006.

So opium production isn't a brand new thing in afghanistan is it?  

Introducing this premise doesn't significantly alter the probability.

... wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 9:42pm:

If the war is over, then it has been over for several years.   Quote: 2007 August - Opium production has soared to a record high, the UN reports. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12024253 A record high in 2007. [quote] After the Taliban were driven out of power in 2001, opium made an astonishing comeback in the impoverished Afghan countryside. By 2006, twenty-one of Afghanistan's thirty-four provinces were producing 94 percent of the world's supply--estimated at a pre-export value of $4 billion and equivalent to nearly 50 percent of the country's GDP.

http://www.cfr.org/afghanistan/good-bad-news-afghan-opium/p21372

50% of the nations GDP in 2006.

So opium production isn't a brand new thing in afghanistan is it?  

Introducing this premise doesn't significantly alter the probability.[/quote]

Wow, apologies I missed the world "begun."  Oh well.  

In any case, do tell us, oh good friend, what was the opium trade in 2001? and then what was the trend from then on?

juliar wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 11:02am:

Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them.

Great system, isn't it? Come here, even if you're not a fair dinkum refugee, and sponge off the government and tax-payers for the rest of your life. Don't forget to bring a dozen family members, too!

I was in the NT recently, and it would have taken a very short time to sail to Indonesia. I wonder whether I would get the same free handouts and benefits if I did??

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:11pm:

juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. Great system, isn't it? Come here, even if you're not a fair dinkum refugee, and sponge off the government and tax-payers for the rest of your life. Don't forget to bring a dozen family members, too! I was in the NT recently, and it would have taken a very short time to sail to Indonesia. I wonder whether I would get the same free handouts and benefits if I did??

Please don't bring your Allen thoughts into this thread - confine them to the redundant threads you make yourself.  And we've already offered to help you sail to Indonesia - although I did recommend you should go to Iran because that way you can still listen to Allen at a reasonable hour of the day.

Tell me, which asylum seekers in detention get welfare?

Juliar/matty/mellie/log_me_in and ???
(After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government.)
.................................................................................

They can save $10,000 in 9 months from a small allowance? Get one of these guys to take over from Swanny right now!

Read it and weep for your stupidity!


REFUGEES IN DETENTION CENTRES

Asylum seekers in immigration detention centres receive a small allowance but do not receive Centrelink equivalent payments.

Government website

http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bn/sp/AsylumFacts.pdf

This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has
been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny.

And STILL idiot conservatives believe it.

Thick, or what?

Kat wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what?

Because dopey Alan Jones spread the viral email around, he was too ignorant to realise it was a hoax, and if Alan said it, it must be true, hopeless cases. Only thick bogans listen to Alan Jones, so what do you expect. From the mouths of bogans.

adelcrow wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 4:59pm:

Asylum seekers should not be banged up in detention centres anyway..if they are in the community while awaiting their cases they can work and contribute to society instead of rotting away in detention.

And of course they wont run away if their claim is rejected eh and disappear into their peoples enclaves will they.
And they can contribute to what exactly?
Lining up at Centrelink is not contributing.

 

      http://www.legaljuice.com/disappear.jpg

Dr Brown wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 6:15pm:

juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 5:49pm: Now that everyone agrees that we, the Australian taxpayers, are paying to bring refugees to Australia there is a rather alarming lesson for Australia to be learned from Greece. With an official population of just 11 million, half that of Australia, Greece now hosts a staggering 1 million illegal immigrants and asylum seekers. About 6,879 people landed there last year, but Greece is now trying to cope with 128,000 appearing over the horizon. As Greece slides towards the abyss of political and economic chaos, the country's enormous undocumented immigrant community is being blamed for adding to its woes. Illegal immigrants who have swamped Greece's borders are accused of exacerbating the financial crisis that now threatens to infect other eurozone nations. The annual cost of sustaining this immigrant population - in terms of healthcare, crime and impact on legitimate businesses - is estimated at 6 billion euros, says the president of the Athens Chamber of Commerce, Constantine Michalos. If one ponders the comparison between Greece and Australia, an alarming picture emerges which presages dire consequences for Australia. One imagines that some time ago the number of refugees entering Greece was probably something like the alarming number entering Australia now but the lackadaisical Grecian Government probably compared the number of refugees entering Greece with the number of refugees entering some other other country and decided Greece had nothing to worry about. The chaotic state Greece is in now is partly as a result of their gross negligence and indolence in not taking the necessary and decisive action needed to control the number of unwanted refugees trying to enter the Grecian land of milk and honey. The disastrous situation Greece now finds itself in, as a direct result of its negligence in not taking action to control the number of unwanted refugees entering its borders by stealth, is a STARK WARNING for AUSTRALIA whose grossly incompetent government has now opened the flood gates to any and all refugees. So if we want to know what Australia will be like after a while then we need only look to Greece to see our future unless we get rid of the current laughable Labor government which is an insult to all Australians. There is a rumor that, when the Americans move into Darwin, they will assist in encouraging the flood of refugees to look somewhere else. There is also the rumor that the Americans are moving into Darwin  because there is an increasing fear that Australia will be invaded from the north to seize our food and mineral resources. You haven't a clue about Greece, or Australia for that matter. Greece's financial woes stem from non payment of taxes by the wealthy and middle class cheats. They believe that all that fancy stuff like collecting their garbage and training police was someone else's problem, and so corrupt officials let it all slide for a few drachmas in the kick. Hey Presto, one basket case economy. Now over the pond they call the Mediterranean Sea is a continent called Africa (that's right Deepest Darkest Africa), and in the north of Africa are some Arab countries that have been protesting and fighting for their freedom from totalitarian dictators and murdering tyrants. These countries are handily located when it comes to Greece, Italy, Cypress, Sicily, Lampedusa etc etc, and hop on a boat for a few hours and you are in these places. So Libya and Tunisia and Egypt all had upheavals and thousands of hopefuls jumped at the chance to improve their lot in the Eurozone, literally hours away.

Is it easier for you to think that the 50,000+ kept in detention and the 500 arrivals each and every week doesn't cost the Greek taxpayer billions each year, and hasn't contributed to Greece's downfall?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 7:02am:

adelcrow wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:59pm: Asylum seekers should not be banged up in detention centres anyway..if they are in the community while awaiting their cases they can work and contribute to society instead of rotting away in detention. And of course they wont run away if their claim is rejected eh and disappear into their peoples enclaves will they. And they can contribute to what exactly? Lining up at Centrelink is not contributing.

If their claims are rejected and they run away tell me how can they claim anything from centrelink cause as soon as they do they would be arrest.

bomen_guy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 7:02am: adelcrow wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:59pm: Asylum seekers should not be banged up in detention centres anyway..if they are in the community while awaiting their cases they can work and contribute to society instead of rotting away in detention. And of course they wont run away if their claim is rejected eh and disappear into their peoples enclaves will they. And they can contribute to what exactly? Lining up at Centrelink is not contributing. If their claims are rejected and they run away tell me how can they claim anything from centrelink cause as soon as they do they would be arrest.

LOL!!!      Don't embarrass them.

matty wrote on Nov 16^th, 2011 at 10:11pm:

juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. Great system, isn't it? Come here, even if you're not a fair dinkum refugee, and sponge off the government and tax-payers for the rest of your life. Don't forget to bring a dozen family members, too! I was in the NT recently, and it would have taken a very short time to sail to Indonesia. I wonder whether I would get the same free handouts and benefits if I did??

LOL gotta love it when matty/juliar answers her own posts, gold mellie. Pity the whole thread is based on a lie.

bomen_guy wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 7:02am: adelcrow wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 4:59pm: Asylum seekers should not be banged up in detention centres anyway..if they are in the community while awaiting their cases they can work and contribute to society instead of rotting away in detention. And of course they wont run away if their claim is rejected eh and disappear into their peoples enclaves will they. And they can contribute to what exactly? Lining up at Centrelink is not contributing. If their claims are rejected and they run away tell me how can they claim anything from centrelink cause as soon as they do they would be arrest.

They wouldn't be claiming from Centrelink, and they would have to obtain money from other sources.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

matty wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 10:11pm: juliar wrote on Nov 16th, 2011 at 11:02am: Ever wondered where the illegal boat immigrants get the money from to get here? When the boat people arrive here, they have already printed out from the net their rights and have a list of welfare benefits that they demand from the Australian Government. After spending around 6-9 months in detention, the illegal boat people have approximately $10000 saved in welfare payments from the Australian Government. They then send the money home and arrange for the next family member to come out on a boat. So this means we are actually paying for the flood of illegal boat people through the welfare payments provided to them. Great system, isn't it? Come here, even if you're not a fair dinkum refugee, and sponge off the government and tax-payers for the rest of your life. Don't forget to bring a dozen family members, too! I was in the NT recently, and it would have taken a very short time to sail to Indonesia. I wonder whether I would get the same free handouts and benefits if I did?? LOL gotta love it when matty/juliar answers her own posts, gold mellie. Pity the whole thread is based on a lie.

She can talk to herself for hours, doesn't make much sense but we're used to that.

longy....this is not politics, please be consistent across the board.

Kat wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what?

Well no, it hasn't been discredited, nor is it possibe to do so.

Because you see, while their monetary 'allowance' might'nt be any different, pensioners don't receive free food, housing, dental, cigarettes etc etc.  In case you didn't know how it works, pensioners have to exchange currency for these goods and services.

Kat wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what?

Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc...

matty wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:23am:

Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc...

God you  are even more stupid than I first thought, what do you expect we do with refugees? hey? should we just not feed them or house them? come on what should we do ? short of letting them out into the community, which you also object to what is your solution?

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:28am:

matty wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:23am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc... God you  are even more stupid than I first thought, what do you expect we do with refugees? hey? should we just not feed them or house them? come on what should we do ? short of letting them out into the community, which you also object to what is your solution?

Maybe we do have to feed them, clothe them and house them - The fact remains that we DO, while we DON'T do the same for pensioners.  Therefore, refugees DO get more than pensioners, and saying they don't is dishonest.

We give pensioners a PENSION so as they can feed clothe  and house themselves, to suggest otherwise or suggest refugees are better off than pensioners is a blatant lie, I'm not surprised mellie/matty/ et al is pushing that lie tho.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:38am:

We give pensioners a PENSION so as they can feed clothe  and house themselves, to suggest otherwise or suggest refugees are better off than pensioners is a blatant lie, I'm not surprised mellie/matty/ et al is pushing that lie tho.

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket, then there is only one way to interpret that - refugees receive more than pensioners.  
So the only lie being spouted here is that refugees don't receive more than pensioners.  If you think it's justified, say so - don't deny it.

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners
As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::)

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:53am:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::)

How should I read this then?


Quote:

A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:59am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:53am: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::) How should I read this then? Quote: A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy.

Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:48am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:38am: We give pensioners a PENSION so as they can feed clothe  and house themselves, to suggest otherwise or suggest refugees are better off than pensioners is a blatant lie, I'm not surprised mellie/matty/ et al is pushing that lie tho. No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket, then there is only one way to interpret that - refugees receive more than pensioners.   So the only lie being spouted here is that refugees don't receive more than pensioners.  If you think it's justified, say so - don't deny it.

Yes I understand that, but don't you think these uninvited new Australians require a head start in life in their new chosen country?
After all, our pensioners have lived their life, and many don't have long to go anyway.
Besides, all the tax received from a lifetime of hard work from these pensioners has already been spent.
These non english speaking uneducated untrained and unskilled refugees have in many cases another thirty or forty years on taxpayer funded unemployment benefits before they can enjoy their well earnt tax payer funded retirement, so it's only fair they have a head start to get used to living a life they can easily become accustomed to eh.
Many arrive with their money belts stuffed full of cash, and you can't very well expect them to dip their hand in surely.
Many have already paid out loads of cash to be smuggled here in the first place.
Haven't they paid enough.
You don't honestly think for a moment that these peoples entitlements should be means tested.
After all, we have to be fair.
Be reasonable, see things my way. :)

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:32am:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:59am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:53am: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::) How should I read this then? Quote: A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy. Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention.

You've changed your position again.  

chookface, wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourselves look like total dills. Again.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

chookface, wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourselves look like total dills. Again.

Gist, please be more specific.  What have I posted that is untrue?

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

chookface, wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourselves look like total dills. Again.

And once again you've posted without actually saying anything. :)

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:32am: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:59am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:53am: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::) How should I read this then? Quote: A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy. Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention. You've changed your position again.

No he hasn't wesley, you're just to dull to understand it.


Quote:

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.


Quote:

'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

It's all right there in the statement you quoted. Next time you want The Truth, just ask. I'm happy to oblige.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:46am:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:32am: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:59am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:53am: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::) How should I read this then? Quote: A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy. Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention. You've changed your position again.   No he hasn't wesley, you're just to dull to understand it. [quote]'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents.

If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.


Quote:

'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents.

Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

It's all right there in the statement you quoted. Next time you want The Truth, just ask. I'm happy to oblige.
[/quote]


and you've just moved the goal posts too.

It's getting to the point where I may have to conduct a class on how to read and comprehend what is actually written, and not add your own little embellishments out of convenience.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:40am: chookface, wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourselves look like total dills. Again. And once again you've posted without actaully saying anything. :)

Learned it from you cap'n.  :)

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:48am:

and you've just moved the goal posts too. It's getting to the point where I may have to conduct a class on how to read and comprehend what is actually written, and not add your own little embellishments out of convenience.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:44am:

And once again you've posted without actually saying anything. :)

There. You can talk to each other.

Quote:

'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS.

I've never said anything about it being limited to people in detention.  Do people stop being refugees when they are released from detention?  I'll kindly ask you again to not add your own conditions to my statements.  


Quote:

'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article.

Wrong.


Quote:

About 1000 refugees currently in Australia on TPVs will now have their status resolved and will be afforded the same benefits and entitlements as holders of a Permanent Protection visa.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce05-buget-08.htm

Yes, my friends, we refugees are very cunning peoples.

Like Colonel Hogan and his heroes, we dress up in false mustache and monocle, sneak out of detention centre through false stove, and go to Centrelink office every two weeks to put in form.

We tell Centrelink lady to send money to:

Madame Karah
14480 Karl Marx Avenue
Kabul, Afghanistan, 23401.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:32am: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:59am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:53am: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::) How should I read this then? Quote: A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy. Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention. You've changed your position again.

Oh really,how so?
maybe when you read this thread for THE FIRST TIME you'll get it through your head mellie started it claiming refugees get paid as much as pensioners while being held in detention. Here's a little tip,Einstein,people granted RESIDENT STATUS are not held in detention.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:57am:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:39am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:32am: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:59am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:53am: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners As has been proven about six times on this thread alone, they are not. ::) How should I read this then? Quote: A September 2007 media release from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) notes: The Department of Immigration and Citizenship (DIAC) has refuted false claims circulating on the internet that refugees settling in Australia receive more in benefit payments than Australian pensioners. 'The figures quoted in the email bear no resemblance to income-support payments to pensioners, or to payments to refugees settling in Australia,' DIAC spokesman Sandi Logan said today. 'The text and figures in the email appear to have originated in Canadian emails, websites and internet chatrooms. We suspect that the email circulating here has been cut and pasted from these sources. 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. 'There is no separate rate of benefit payments for refugees.' Mr Logan said refugees received no cash payments under Australia’s Integrated Humanitarian Settlement Strategy. Well if they gain resident status why wouldn't they be entitled to the same payments?? they're bloody residents.That has nothing to do with them whilst held in detention. You've changed your position again.   Oh really,how so? maybe when you read this thread for THE FIRST TIME you'll get it through your head mellie started it claiming refugees get paid as much as pensioners while being held in detention. Here's a little tip,Einstein,people granted RESIDENT STATUS are not held in detention.

How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?"

I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Quote: 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS. I've never said anything about it being limited to people in detention.  Do people stop being refugees when they are released from detention?  I'll kindly ask you again to not add your own conditions to my statements.

Skippy beat me to it. Read the thread. WE were discussing people being held in detention. If YOU want to go off on your own tangent then spell it out or start your own thread.

Now, where's your proof? Or shall I start calling you The_Lies?


... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:55am:

Quote: 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article. Wrong. [quote] About 1000 refugees currently in Australia on TPVs will now have their status resolved and will be afforded the same benefits and entitlements as holders of a Permanent Protection visa.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce05-buget-08.htm




[/quote]


No I'm not. The people on TPVs can apply to go on PPVs. If accepted (as those mentioned in the quote have been) then they go on to PPVs and get the same treatment as anyone else on a PPV. As your quotes explain.

Your point is...???

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:06pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:55am: Quote: 'In Australia, refugees granted permanent visas may gain access to benefits on the same basis and at the same rates as other Australian permanent residents. If they have a permanent visa then they have been accepted as refugees. They're not being held in detention centres, they are in the community and able to apply for the same benefits as anyone else. THEY ALSO HAVE TO PASS THE SAME RESTRICTIONS. I've never said anything about it being limited to people in detention.  Do people stop being refugees when they are released from detention?  I'll kindly ask you again to not add your own conditions to my statements.   Skippy beat me to it. Read the thread. WE were discussing people being held in detention. If YOU want to go off on your own tangent then spell it out or start your own thread. Now, where's your proof? Or shall I start calling you The_Lies? ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:55am: [Quote] 'Refugees with temporary visas do not have access to the full range of benefits - they are only eligible for Centrelink Special Benefits on the same basis and rates as other Australian residents. Refugees on TPVs have also been released from detention. The TPV system was scrapped and people still under them don't get full benefits - as stated in the article. Wrong. [quote] About 1000 refugees currently in Australia on TPVs will now have their status resolved and will be afforded the same benefits and entitlements as holders of a Permanent Protection visa.

http://www.minister.immi.gov.au/media/media-releases/2008/ce05-buget-08.htm




[/quote]


No I'm not. The people on TPVs can apply to go on PPVs. If accepted (as those mentioned in the quote have been) then they go on to PPVs and get the same treatment as anyone else on a PPV. As your quotes explain.

Your point is...???[/quote]


Well, I'm afraid you are wrong.

From the very same link provided:


Quote:

‘Provided they meet security and character requirements, they will be granted permanent residency in Australia and will not need to have their protection claims reassessed,’ Senator Evans said.

And my point?  There is no point - just truth.  

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:01pm:

How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me.

Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits.

That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof.

There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 11:40am:

wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourself look like a total dill. Again.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:20pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner. Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 11:40am: wesley_no_truth, it'd be great if you engaged your brain before posting. You're just making yourself look like a total dill. Again.

Nope, the truth cannot be suckered in that manner either.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:16pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof.

me too.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner.

So you admit you were lying/wrong,wes? good we can move on.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:25pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner. So you admit you were lying/wrong,wes? good we can move on.

show me an example of where I was wrong.

Show me, or shut up.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:27pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:25pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner. So you admit you were lying/wrong,wes? good we can move on. show me an example of where I was wrong. Show me, or shut up.

Your every post in this thread. Take your pick.

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:28pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:27pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:25pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner. So you admit you were lying/wrong,wes? good we can move on. show me an example of where I was wrong. Show me, or shut up. Your every post in this thread. Take your pick.

Well if all of them are wrong, it shouldn't be hard for you to pick one.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:30pm:

Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:28pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:27pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:25pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner. So you admit you were lying/wrong,wes? good we can move on. show me an example of where I was wrong. Show me, or shut up. Your every post in this thread. Take your pick. Well if all of them are wrong, it shouldn't be hard for you to pick one.

Any one of my posts in this thread. They all show where you are wrong. Why would I waste my time showing it to you AGAIN?

Gist wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:32pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:30pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:28pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:27pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:25pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Gist wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:16pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:01pm: How so?  Well first it was "no they don't get more" but now it's become "ok so they do get more - so what?" I don't care what "mellie" said.  Are you not arguing with MY statements?  Go and read what I have said, and then come back to me. Let's be very specific. YOUR burden of proof is to show that refugees on PPVs once released into the community are provided free food, shelter and medical treatment by the government IN ADDITION TO centrelink benefits. That's your claim seeing as you weren't talking about people in detention. I want to see your proof. There you go again - trying to sneak extra conditions in there.  The truth cannot be suckered in this manner. So you admit you were lying/wrong,wes? good we can move on. show me an example of where I was wrong. Show me, or shut up. Your every post in this thread. Take your pick. Well if all of them are wrong, it shouldn't be hard for you to pick one. Any one of my posts in this thread. They all show where you are wrong. Why would I waste my time showing it to you AGAIN?

Becasue if you don't I'll just keep going on and on and on and on and on and on...............

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 9:59am:

Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Well no, it hasn't been discredited, nor is it possibe to do so. Because you see, while their monetary 'allowance' might'nt be any different, pensioners don't receive free food, housing, dental, cigarettes etc etc.  In case you didn't know how it works, pensioners have to exchange currency for these goods and services.

Refugees also don't receive free food, housing, dental and cigarettes.

wes wrote-
Quote:

No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket

This claim is wrong/an intentional lie.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 10:32am:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: matty wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:23am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc... God you  are even more stupid than I first thought, what do you expect we do with refugees? hey? should we just not feed them or house them? come on what should we do ? short of letting them out into the community, which you also object to what is your solution? Maybe we do have to feed them, clothe them and house them - The fact remains that we DO, while we DON'T do the same for pensioners.  Therefore, refugees DO get more than pensioners, and saying they don't is dishonest.

We don't feed, clothe or house refugees.

These lousy pirates, prostitutes and small time drug dealers receiving thousands a week AND cigarettes AND dental!!! I'm so sick of them!!!  ;D

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

wes wrote- Quote: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket This claim is wrong/an intentional lie.

Skip, just have fun with this guy.  The deluded ones are heaps of fun!  ;)  

He fails to recognise the difference between people in mandatory detention and those who have been granted refugee status.  A bit of a loon - it's totally hilarious.

You know 100% that when matty agrees with you it means you are 100% wrong.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 9:59am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Well no, it hasn't been discredited, nor is it possibe to do so. Because you see, while their monetary 'allowance' might'nt be any different, pensioners don't receive free food, housing, dental, cigarettes etc etc.  In case you didn't know how it works, pensioners have to exchange currency for these goods and services. Refugees also don't receive free food, housing, dental and cigarettes.

They don't?  How much rent do they pay at the detention centre?  

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

wes wrote- Quote: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket This claim is wrong/an intentional lie.

Is it?  Please explain why it is wrong.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:46pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:32am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: matty wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:23am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc... God you  are even more stupid than I first thought, what do you expect we do with refugees? hey? should we just not feed them or house them? come on what should we do ? short of letting them out into the community, which you also object to what is your solution? Maybe we do have to feed them, clothe them and house them - The fact remains that we DO, while we DON'T do the same for pensioners.  Therefore, refugees DO get more than pensioners, and saying they don't is dishonest. We don't feed, clothe or house refugees.

We don't?  So they run around naked and starving at the detention centre that doesn't house them?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:53pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:46pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 9:59am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Well no, it hasn't been discredited, nor is it possibe to do so. Because you see, while their monetary 'allowance' might'nt be any different, pensioners don't receive free food, housing, dental, cigarettes etc etc.  In case you didn't know how it works, pensioners have to exchange currency for these goods and services. Refugees also don't receive free food, housing, dental and cigarettes. They don't?  How much rent do they pay at the detention centre?

Refugees don't stay in detention centres - asylum seekers do.  Try to recognise the difference prior to making your ridiculous comments.

Asylum seekers can go through mandatory detention - during which time they do not typically receive welfare, but may receive allowances that are significantly lower than the standard rate of welfare.

Refugees have had their claim processed and have been granted refugee status - they can receive centrelink payments but don't get housed for free.

Looks like The Truth is once again being taught because The Truth is a complete moron. :(

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:46pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:32am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: matty wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:23am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc... God you  are even more stupid than I first thought, what do you expect we do with refugees? hey? should we just not feed them or house them? come on what should we do ? short of letting them out into the community, which you also object to what is your solution? Maybe we do have to feed them, clothe them and house them - The fact remains that we DO, while we DON'T do the same for pensioners.  Therefore, refugees DO get more than pensioners, and saying they don't is dishonest. We don't feed, clothe or house refugees. We don't?  So they run around naked and starving at the detention centre that doesn't house them?

See above drongo head :)

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:54pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:46pm: wes wrote- Quote: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket This claim is wrong/an intentional lie. Is it?  Please explain why it is wrong.

People in detention centres are not payed the same as a pension, full stop, if you dont understand that you're either a liar or a moron,or both.

3 of you despreately running around trying to find something wrong.

And failed.  

not surprising when the combined IQ of all 3 of you still only adds up to half of mine.

wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:55pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:46pm: wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:32am: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:28am: matty wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 10:23am: Kat wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 6:22am: This utter BS about asylum-seekers getting more than our pensioners has been thoroughly discredited so many times it isn't funny. And STILL idiot conservatives believe it. Thick, or what? Kat, as The Truth said, we "idiot conservatives" realise the truth. Pensioners (and no other Australians for that matter) are getting free housing, dental care, cigarettes, tvs, etc... God you  are even more stupid than I first thought, what do you expect we do with refugees? hey? should we just not feed them or house them? come on what should we do ? short of letting them out into the community, which you also object to what is your solution? Maybe we do have to feed them, clothe them and house them - The fact remains that we DO, while we DON'T do the same for pensioners.  Therefore, refugees DO get more than pensioners, and saying they don't is dishonest. We don't feed, clothe or house refugees. We don't?  So they run around naked and starving at the detention centre that doesn't house them?

Wesley, you've outdone yourself. Even the board thinks you're making a complete fool of yourself.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:59pm:

3 of you despreately running around trying to find something wrong. And failed.   not surprising when the combined IQ of all 3 of you still only adds up to half of mine.

Ah, you know a fool has been caught out when they have nothing more to say.  ;D  

Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 12:50pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:46pm: wes wrote- Quote: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket This claim is wrong/an intentional lie. Skip, just have fun with this guy.  The deluded ones are heaps of fun!  ;)   He fails to recognise the difference between people in mandatory detention and those who have been granted refugee status.  A bit of a loon - it's totally hilarious.

Not to mention delusional.

Quote:

Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you?

I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should.

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:03pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:50pm: skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 12:46pm: wes wrote- Quote: No, because if refugees are paid at the same rate as pensioners, but have essential goods and services provided free of charge, while pensioners have to pay for them out of their own pocket This claim is wrong/an intentional lie. Skip, just have fun with this guy.  The deluded ones are heaps of fun!  ;)   He fails to recognise the difference between people in mandatory detention and those who have been granted refugee status.  A bit of a loon - it's totally hilarious. Not to mention delusional.

Did you know however, that according to The Truth, who is always right (wrong), all refugees are actually just prostitutes, pirates and small time drug traffickers?  In fact, even all the skilled migrants from the middle east and north africa are also prostitutes, pirates and small time drug traffickers.  Can you believe our government pays these bottom of the barrel people thousands of dollars, that they simply send back home to bring over their relative pirates, prostitutes and small time drug traffickers?  Not only that, but they also get free cigarettes!! Grrrrrrrrr

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:04pm:

Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should.

You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence.

Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand?

They're putting refugees that are in detention centres together with those on permanent protection visa's that are living in the community.

One question for the loonies (you know who you are).

Do prisoners get the same benefits as the unemployed?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:06pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand?

there seems to be a pattern on this forum with rightards not producing evidence to support their lies, I wonder why? ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:06pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand?

hard evidence of what?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? hard evidence of what?

Are you going through some memory lose are you? Poor fella.  Your claims, of course!

skippy. wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:09pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? there seems to be a pattern on this forum with rightards not producing evidence to support their lies, I wonder why? ;D

Perhaps becasue they are only 'lies' when you introuce your own conditions to the statements, and I have no obligation to defend points that I have not made?

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:10pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? hard evidence of what? Are you going through some memory lose are you? Poor fella.  Your claims, of course!

Which claim(s) would that be?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:11pm:

skippy. wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? there seems to be a pattern on this forum with rightards not producing evidence to support their lies, I wonder why? ;D Perhaps becasue they are only 'lies' when you introuce your own conditions to the statements, and I have no obligation to defend points that I have not made?

conditions to what statements? That refugees in the community and asylum seekers in detention centres are not the same and as such you can't try to assert they each receive the same benefits?  

;D  WOW. Loopy.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:10pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? hard evidence of what? Are you going through some memory lose are you? Poor fella.  Your claims, of course! Which claim(s) would that be?

you know the claims you have made. Back em up with some hard evidence and stop acting a fool - although I will note it must be very difficult for you.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:14pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:12pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:10pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? hard evidence of what? Are you going through some memory lose are you? Poor fella.  Your claims, of course! Which claim(s) would that be? you know the claims you have made. Back em up with some hard evidence and stop acting a fool - although I will note it must be very difficult for you.

Tell me what the significance of 2001 is, and why you think it relates to a claim that I have made.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:16pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:14pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:12pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:10pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? hard evidence of what? Are you going through some memory lose are you? Poor fella.  Your claims, of course! Which claim(s) would that be? you know the claims you have made. Back em up with some hard evidence and stop acting a fool - although I will note it must be very difficult for you. Tell me what the significance of 2001 is, and why you think it relates to a claim that I have made.

Are you now reverting to a matty line of discussion? Really? Pretty saaaaaaddddd.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:17pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:16pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:14pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:12pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:10pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:09pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:06pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:04pm: Quote: Well done idiot. BTW, I'm still waiting to see the trend for the opium trade in Afghanistan since 2001 from you. Failed on that one too have you? I'd be happy to oblige with such figures - if you can tell me why I should. You're the one who claims to speak the Truth.  So speak it - show us the truth with some hard evidence. Too bad you've retreated. Did you need a shovel to help with the sand? hard evidence of what? Are you going through some memory lose are you? Poor fella.  Your claims, of course! Which claim(s) would that be? you know the claims you have made. Back em up with some hard evidence and stop acting a fool - although I will note it must be very difficult for you. Tell me what the significance of 2001 is, and why you think it relates to a claim that I have made. Are you now reverting to a matty line of discussion? Really? Pretty saaaaaaddddd.

Dunno.  Am I?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:11pm:

Perhaps becasue they are only 'lies' when you introuce your own conditions to the statements, and I have no obligation to defend points that I have not made?

Surely, what matters are the facts - some of which may be nuanced due to different circumstances and eligibility criteria!?

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

Dunno.  Am I?

Ssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd.  I'm calling you matty from now on and treating you like him.  Allen.

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:21pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:18pm: Dunno.  Am I? Ssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd.  I'm calling you matty from now on and treating you like him.  Allen.

OK, you do that.  

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:22pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:21pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:18pm: Dunno.  Am I? Ssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd.  I'm calling you matty from now on and treating you like him.  Allen. OK, you do that.

Allen would be proud :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:25pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:21pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:18pm: Dunno.  Am I? Ssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd.  I'm calling you matty from now on and treating you like him.  Allen. OK, you do that.   Allen would be proud :)

I don't know any 'Allen' so I'll have to take your word for it.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:28pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:25pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:21pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:18pm: Dunno.  Am I? Ssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd.  I'm calling you matty from now on and treating you like him.  Allen. OK, you do that.   Allen would be proud :) I don't know any 'Allen' so I'll have to take your word for it.

You definitely know Allen considering all your opinions come from him :)

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:29pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:28pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:25pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:22pm: sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:21pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:18pm: Dunno.  Am I? Ssssssssssssssssssssssssaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaadddddddddddddd.  I'm calling you matty from now on and treating you like him.  Allen. OK, you do that.   Allen would be proud :) I don't know any 'Allen' so I'll have to take your word for it. You definitely know Allen considering all your opinions come from him :)

I have no opinion - only truth.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:32pm:

I have no opinion - only truth.

I totally understand you would think everything Allen says is truth. ;D

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:33pm:

... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:32pm: I have no opinion - only truth. I totally understand you would think everything Allen says is truth. ;D

A key difference between myself and the one you call "matty" is that I won't be drawn into these tedious exchanges.

So unless there's anything else, I will bid good day to you sir.

... wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 1:35pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:33pm: ... wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 1:32pm: I have no opinion - only truth. I totally understand you would think everything Allen says is truth. ;D A key difference between myself and the one you call "matty" is that I won't be drawn into these tedious exchanges. So unless there's anything else, I will bid good day to you sir.

;D  Bye matty!  Enjoy listening to Allen. Until next time when you come back to dribble some more :)

My frien, when we escape from the detention centre, we must always wear the disguise. Lady must wear skin-toned burqa; men try to look like the Aussie man. Some wear a wig over their turban.

Our commandant is always worry about Russian front. We say, don't worry, Colonel. No one escapes from your camp. You are number one commandant in all of Australia!

We always take cigar when he isn't looking.

Karnal wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 3:31pm:

My frien, when we escape from the detention centre, we must always wear the disguise. Lady must wear skin-toned burqa; men try to look like the Aussie man. Some wear a wig over their turban. Our commandant is always worry about Russian front. We say, don't worry, Colonel. No one escapes from your camp. You are number one commandant in all of Australia! We always take cigar when he isn't looking.

I saw this one with big blondie hair stand up high and the billabong shorts.

He was run into pub and hiding behind fat awzie man.

I know he was escape refugee.

Tomorrow he go to centrelink for big payday.

He have the shoes on so I know he not awzie man.

I ask him 'you want beer' he say no beer.

I ask him 'you beat wife this week' he say no

I know he not awzie man he must be refugee.

Is like playing spot the Awzie round here.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 17^th, 2011 at 3:49pm:

Karnal wrote on Nov 17th, 2011 at 3:31pm: My frien, when we escape from the detention centre, we must always wear the disguise. Lady must wear skin-toned burqa; men try to look like the Aussie man. Some wear a wig over their turban. Our commandant is always worry about Russian front. We say, don't worry, Colonel. No one escapes from your camp. You are number one commandant in all of Australia! We always take cigar when he isn't looking. I saw this one with big blondie hair stand up high and the billabong shorts. He was run into pub and hiding behind fat awzie man. I know he was escape refugee. Tomorrow he go to centrelink for big payday. He have the shoes on so I know he not awzie man. I ask him 'you want beer' he say no beer. I ask him 'you beat wife this week' he say no I know he not awzie man he must be refugee.

Having blonde hair would suggest he is statistically unlikely to beat his wife.


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New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/news/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-home/

I am sorry if the truthtm makes it difficult for you to criticise your people, but the truthtm doesn't take sides.