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Title: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:38am

Obama made a great speech to our nation from our parliament
& talked about how we are all on the side of freedom & democracy.
It was about how good we are.
At the same time the Yanks were selling chemical weapons to Egypt
to be used on peaceful people demonstrating for freedom & democracy!

I watched the chaos in Egypt last night.
The anti-riot gas canisters which have really powerful toxic contents are all made in the USA.
People were in agony from it - really bad stuff - what exactly was it?
I wonder who made this awful poison & what the health consequences of it will be?
Should we have sanctions against the USA for their export of chemical weapons?
I thought chemical weapons were the reason they invaded Iraq?
They only needed to look in the USA & they would have found plenty.
Iraq had none & they went to war over it.
Go figure that one???

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by thelastnail on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:49am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

I thought chemical weapons were outlawed by the Geneva Convention?
Doesn't it apply to Yanks?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 11:32am

The deadline of full destruction of the stockpile for the United States has not yet been reached.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 11:56am

At the same time the Yanks were selling chemical weapons to Egypt to be used on peaceful people demonstrating for freedom & democracy!

Nuke carrier leads US strike force into Syrian waters

Meanwhile, America and Turkey are urging their citizens to leave Syria. The US released a statement on Wednesday urging American citizens to “depart immediately while commercial transportation is available.”

http://rt.com/news/syria-intervention-us-warship-229/print/

It's not hard to see why Obama is ignoring the financial debt crisis of his country.

Go straight to plan B.....war and wars.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 1:32pm

Good post Pansi -
looks like yet another war in the making.
What is the world coming to?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 3:22pm

Here's some more hypocrisy. Disturbing.
.................................

The Politics Of Gas Pipelines In Asia
By Abdus Sattar Ghazali, 21 November, 2011

In 1997, representatives of the Taliban are invited to the Texas headquarters of Unocal to negotiate their support for the pipeline. Future President George W. Bush is Governor of Texas at the time. The Taliban appear to agree to a $2 billion pipeline deal, but will do the deal only if the US officially recognizes the Taliban regime. The Taliban meet with US officials. According to the Daily Telegraph, “the US government, which in the past has branded the Taliban’s policies against women and children ‘despicable,’ appears anxious to please the fundamentalists to clinch the lucrative pipeline contract.”

It was reported that the Taliban met with Enron officials while in Texas. Enron, headquartered in Texas, had a large financial interest in the pipeline at the time.

Interestingly, the 9/11 Commission later concludes that some State Department diplomats are willing to “give the Taliban a chance” because it might be able to bring stability to Afghanistan, which would allow a Unocal oil pipeline to be built through the country. [9/11 Commission, 3/24/2004]

The TAP project was revived less than one month after the 9/11 attacks when US Ambassador Wendy Chamberlin meets (Oct 9, 2001) with the Pakistani oil minister to brief on the gas pipeline project from Turkmenistan, across Afghanistan, to Pakistan, which appears to be revived “in view of recent geopolitical developments.” [Frontier Post – 10/10/2011]

On May 30, 2002, Afghanistan’s interim leader, Hamid Karzai (who formerly worked for Unocal), Turkmenistan’s President Niyazov, and Pakistani President General Musharraf meet in Islamabad to sign a memorandum of understanding on the trans-Afghanistan gas pipeline project.

https://www.wikileaks-forum.com/index.php/topic,6372.0.html#

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 3:40pm

Hi Pansi,
We aren't stupid in Australia - we know that the Yanks are hypocrites but
I suppose we don't have a choice - we have to deal with them.

Just like school kids -
We make friends with the bully in the playground so we don't get bashed by the others.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by freediver on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 4:50pm

Water is a chemical. Does that make a garden hose a chemical weapon?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 5:03pm

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 4:50pm:

Water is a chemical. Does that make a garden hose a chemical weapon?

No - but poisonous chemicals such as whatever is in those United States cannisters is.
Have some people died because of it?
I think they have - almost like the Nazis & their gas chambers for Jews.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by freediver on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 5:48pm

You 'think' someone might have died? Surely this is a new low in chemical warfare.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 5:50pm

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

You 'think' someone might have died? Surely this is a new low in chemical warfare.

I'm not sure FD.
From memory some people went to hospital because of breathing difficulties & died.
I'll try & research it if you want?
How would you like a good dose of it while asking for freedom & democracy?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by freediver on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 6:07pm

Sounds better than a bullet in the head. But maybe I'm just being picky.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 6:17pm

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 6:07pm:

Sounds better than a bullet in the head. But maybe I'm just being picky.

OK - so you think that peaceful protestors should receive a bullet in the head -
yeah right - great idea.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by freediver on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 6:24pm

No bobby you got it backwards. A bullet in the head would be worse, not better.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 7:43pm

freediver wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 6:24pm:

No bobby you got it backwards. A bullet in the head would be worse, not better.

Hi FD,
That's good - at least you don't support the Yanks selling dangerous chemical canisters
to be used on people who are asking for freedom & democracy.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 8:08pm

What's going on here? Accident or intentional?
.............................

Pakistan says NATO strike kills 20 soldiers

PESHAWAR, Pakistan — A NATO air strike killed at least 20 Pakistan soldiers near the Afghan border on Saturday, prompting Islamabad to immediately stop NATO supplies from crossing into Afghanistan, officials said.

It was the deadliest NATO strike reported by Pakistan during the 10-year war in Afghanistan and was likely to destabilise already extremely tense US-Pakistani relations, just days after Pakistan forced its US envoy to resign.

The US-led International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) said it was aware of an incident and seeking further information about what happened in Mohmand, part of Pakistan's lawless tribal belt branded an Al-Qaeda hub by Washington.

The Pakistan military condemned the pre-dawn attack on the border post in Baizai district as "unprovoked" and "indiscriminate".

"At least 20 troops have been killed, two of them were officers," a Pakistani security official told AFP on condition of anonymity because he was not authorised to release the casualty figures to the media.

Among the dead was a major. Officials in Mohmand warned that the toll could rise further.

Within hours of the strike, Pakistan stopped NATO supplies crossing the border into Afghanistan and state television reported that Pakistan's acting ambassador in Washington had lodged a formal protest with the State Department.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jAIDLCfutjM5ltT7NG4Y2sp0FtuA?docId=CNG.f952484328f2727bb94e96195c6264e1.281

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 9:06pm

Gee wizz - the Yanks are bad shots too.

Sounds like the wild west.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by falah on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 9:32am

Seems those "Made in USA" canisters had something pretty toxic in them:

Banned neuro-toxic nerve gas 'poisons' Tahrir

A banned chemical agent has reportedly been used by the Egyptian military as the brutal crackdown against tens of thousands of protesters has clouded prospects of a democratic transfer in the country.

Rashes, epileptic-type convulsions, temporary blindness and coughing up blood are among the symptoms being reported by Egyptian protesters who have fallen victim to a potentially lethal form of neuro-toxic nerve gas reportedly being deployed by security forces.

After almost a week of protests against the ruling military junta left some 41 people dead, several sources claim scores have died from gas asphyxiation, while thousands more have received medical treatment after possibly being exposed to an agent known as CR gas.

''It is some kind of neuro-toxic nerve gas,” doctor Mohamed Aden told , who usually works at the Cairo University hospitals, told the Australian daily, The Age. ''We are seeing people whose upper respiratory tract is in convulsion – we have to give them diazepam to relax the muscles to allow them to begin to breathe again.''
CR gas, which is up to 10 times more powerful than tear gas which is commonly used today, is no longer used by the United States due to its carcinogenic properties. The US military has categorized it as a combat-class chemical agent.

CR gas was used in the townships during anti-apartheid protests in South Africa in the 1980s, and Irish Republicans also claimed British security forces had used it against Republican detainees...

http://rt.com/news/nerve-gas-egypt-protest-199/

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 9:38am

Thanks,
So I was right.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:03am

The Arab Spring.

Does this look like democracy?
.......................

Revolution reality-check: West to reap fruit of Arab Spring

The epic fight for democracy which unfolded in Egypt in February has turned to major disillusionment. As the aspiring revolutionaries take a reality check, it seems a pattern is emerging among countries caught up in the Arab Spring.

Almost a year after Mubarak’s fall, Tahrir Square is again stained with blood as ordinary Egyptians struggle to oust the military junta which has been in power since February’s uprising.

“It’s about the dignity of the Egyptian people. We don’t want any more humiliation," says Helmi Hassan, a protester at Tahrir Square.

The situation carries echoes of Libya, whose ousted leader, Muammar Gaddafi, was killed last month. People there have been left with a country in ruins and a government they did not choose.

“I think there is a reign of terror going on against those who disagree with the Libyan government,” says anti-war activist Brian Becker.“It is not presented that way in the Western media, but it is a reign of terror. If you speak up right now against the new authorities in Libya, you are likely to go to jail or be executed, or disappear.”

In the meantime, Libya’s interim government – brought to power by NATO – is strengthening its grip on the country.

And it now looks as if Syria might be joining the club as the demands of NATO and some Arab states for regime change grow more vocal. Some say the louder they call, the more violent the opposition becomes.

Russia's FM, Sergey Lavrov, says that some Western countries and are openly recommending that the opposition to hold no talks with the Assad regime.

“It looks like political provocation on an international scale,” he said.

Civil war is brewing in Syria. The whole region seems to be plunging deeper into crisis. While people on the ground bear the brunt of the continuing wave of violence in the Middle East and North Africa, some observers say certain powers might be interested in keeping the trouble boiling.

Political analyst William Endgdahl believes that powerful interest outside the Middle East want to bring discontent and chaos to bear to pave the way for a NATO militarisation of the region so that“the oil resources of those oil-rich countries can be put directly into private hands,” he says.

It is clear to anyone with eyes to see that the so-called “transition to democracy” in the wake of the Arab Spring is faltering.

More blood is being shed. We are looking at an Arab Winter, and maybe another Arab Spring around the corner. As tensions rise and as certain global powers push for regime change in more Arab countries, it looks as if the wave of revolutions is set to turn into an ocean of chaos.

http://rt.com/news/arab-spring-revolution-falure-275/print/

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 11:48am

Falah,

Quote:

Rashes, epileptic-type convulsions, temporary blindness and coughing up blood are among the symptoms being reported by Egyptian protesters who have fallen victim to a potentially lethal form of neuro-toxic nerve gas reportedly being deployed by security forces.

After almost a week of protests against the ruling military junta left some 41 people dead, several sources claim scores have died from gas asphyxiation, while thousands more have received medical treatment after possibly being exposed to an agent known as CR gas.

Gas supplied by the USA to use against people who want freedom & democracy -
can anyone see the hypocrisy?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by life_goes_on on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 11:58am

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

Considering that the USA remains the worlds largest manufacturer by quite a margin, that statement would appear to be rather incorrect.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:05pm

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 11:58am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

Considering that the USA remains the worlds largest manufacturer by quite a margin, that statement would appear to be rather incorrect.

Well they seem to be rather good at manufacturing neuro-toxic nerve gas.
I am astonished that any company in 2011 is allowed to make stuff like that
& sell it to foreign countries for use on innocent human beings.
I bet it wouldn't be allowed in Australia?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by adamant on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 3:22pm

falah wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 9:32am:

Seems those "Made in USA" canisters had something pretty toxic in them[]

YOU SUFFER FROM PURE PARANOIA YOU PIMPLE

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
CR gas or dibenzoxazepine, chemically dibenz[b,f][1,4]oxazepine, is an incapacitating agent and a lachrymatory agent. CR was developed by the British Ministry of Defence as a riot control agent in the late 1950s and early 1960s
Physical properties
CR is a pale yellow crystalline solid with a pepper-like odor. It is slightly soluble in water and does not degrade in it. CR is usually presented as a microparticulate solid, in the form of suspension in a propylene glycol based liquid. Contrary to its common name, it is not actually a gas but is solid at room temperature.
The dibenz[b,f][1,4]oxazepine moiety is present in the typical antipsychotic drug loxapine, but unlike CR, loxapine is not reactive and is not an irritant. CR was first synthesised in 1962.[1]
These gases are usually fired in canisters (LACR) that heat up, producing an aerosol cloud at a steady rate.
Effects
CR gas is a lachrymatory agent (LA) exerting its effects through activation of the TRPA1 channel.[2] Its effects are approximately 6 to 10 times more powerful than those of CS gas. CR causes intense skin irritation, particularly around moist areas, blepharospasm causing temporary blindness, coughing and gasping for breath, and panic. It is capable of causing immediate incapacitation. It is a suspected carcinogen. It is toxic, but less so than CS gas, by ingestion and exposure. However, it can be lethal in large quantities. In a poorly ventilated space, an individual may inhale a lethal dose within minutes. Death is caused by asphyxiation and pulmonary edema.
The effect of CR is long-term and persistent. CR can persist on surfaces, especially porous ones, for up to 60 days.
Treatment
While CS can be decontaminated with a large amount of water, use of water may exacerbate the effects of CR. Skin contaminated with CR gas may become extremely painful in contact with water for up to 48 hours after contamination.[1]
Medical treatment is mostly palliative. The contaminated clothing has to be removed. The eyes and skin can be washed, the eye pain can be alleviated with medications.[3]
In the late 1980s, CR was used in the townships in South Africa. It caused some fatalities, particularly among children.[4][5]Republican groups in northern Ireland have alleged that British Army and Royal Ulster Constabulary units used CR gas against Republican prisoners.[6]
Because of its alleged carcinogenic properties, the United States does not utilize CR for riot control.[7] The U.S. military classification for this chemical agent is combat class chemical weapon causing serious side effects for humans.

wikipedia.org/wiki/CR_gas

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 4:25pm

What poison is this Obama? The 1% at it again!
..................................

Investigation opening up over Obama's drug deal

A lawmaker from the same party as the president is asking for an investigation of Obama’s suspicious $433-million contract with a democratic donor’s pharmaceutical company for an unapproved, experimental smallpox drug.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, a democratic representative from the state of Missouri, has asked the Department of Health and Human Services to look into the White House’s recent deal inked between the Obama administration and Siga Technologies Inc, the manufacturer of a smallpox pill that is coincidently owned by a major campaign donor and crony of the commander-in-chief.

A report from earlier this month revealed that Siga had secured a $433-million deal with the White House to manufacturer an unapproved drug to be kept in America’s surplus stockpile of smallpox medication. The president’s relationship with controlling shareholder Ronald O Perelman has raised eyebrows, but it has also been divulged that Siga was offered the sole contract for the drug without the government seeking out any competition from fellow pharmaceutical companies.

The United States currently has $1 billion worth of smallpox vaccines on the ready, which is more than enough to aid the entire country in case of an epidemic. While the experimental drug, ST-246, has yet to be proved effective, it has also yet to be evaluated or approved by the FDA and is being purchased at a whopping $255 per pill.

As the Siga scandal develops, Sen. McCaskill has asked the DHHS to investigate, citing “serious questions” over their contract. McCaskill also serves on the Senate Subcommittee on Contracting and Oversight; she was also one of the first senators to back Barack Obama during his campaign for the presidency in 2008 and was rumored to be a potential candidate for running mate.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 4:27pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:05pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 11:58am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

Considering that the USA remains the worlds largest manufacturer by quite a margin, that statement would appear to be rather incorrect.

It wouldn't surprise me if they loaded the canisters with agent orange.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:18pm

Quote:

It wouldn't surprise me if they loaded the canisters with agent orange.

No it's only nerve gas. :(

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by life_goes_on on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:21pm

Quote:

It wouldn't surprise me if they loaded the canisters with agent orange.

These "cannisters" are being used for crowd control - not plant control.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:18pm:

Quote:

It wouldn't surprise me if they loaded the canisters with agent orange.

No it's only nerve gas. :(

No Bobby..it's not nerve gas, it's tear gas...

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:27pm

It isn't tear gas. That's the point.

Quote:

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by life_goes_on on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:29pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

It isn't tear gas. That's the point.

Quote:

Tear gas - but past its use by date.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:34pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

It isn't tear gas. That's the point.

Quote:

Actually, if it's CR gas, then it IS a form of tear gas...

CR gas is a lachrymatory agent...it affects the eyes and breathing by direct contact with the tear ducts of the eyes and the mucous membranes of the throat, nose and lungs..
Nerve gas works on the central nervous system rather than the tissues themselves...

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:14pm

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:34pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

It isn't tear gas. That's the point.

Quote:

Whatever it is - it shouldn't be made in the USA & sold to
Arab countries to spray innocent people who want freedom & democracy.
That is in direct contradiction of everything America is supposed to stand for.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:16pm

You're talking about the same country that blew innocent people who wanted freedom and democracy to bits in Iraq, Bobby.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:20pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:16pm:

You're talking about the same country that blew innocent people who wanted freedom and democracy to bits in Iraq, Bobby.

I know & yet at the same time I am in awe of NASA & their space projects.
I even started a new thread about one of them:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1322318692/7#7

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by adamant on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:14pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:34pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

It isn't tear gas. That's the point.

Quote:

Hate to disagree with you Bobbie but arab countries do NOT want freedom and democracy they want ALLAH to rule them.

Much deferance bobbie, but should I get the missis to flog me for telling the truth now, or can it wait till morning?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 12:06am

Adamant,

Quote:

Adamant,
Apparently the Muslim Brotherhood party did not attend the rallys in Tahrir square so
I'm afraid you are misinformed.

As for that flogging -
please keep your bondage confessions for your priest on Sundays.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 1:18pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

I thought chemical weapons were outlawed by the Geneva Convention?
Doesn't it apply to Yanks?

No, just the other side that wants to carry on gassing Jews.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:01pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

I thought chemical weapons were outlawed by the Geneva Convention?
Doesn't it apply to Yanks?

No, just the other side that wants to carry on gassing Jews.

I wonder if this deadly chemical weapon is also sold to Israel to be used on Pallys?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Annie Anthrax on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:14pm

Israel prefers to use white phosphorus.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:37pm

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Israel prefers to use white phosphorus.

True but I've seen the Jews using plenty of tear gas -
I wonder where they get it from & what it is?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Israel prefers to use white phosphorus.

True but I've seen the Jews using plenty of tear gas -
I wonder where they get it from & what it is?

Israel doesn't have many friends, so it's an easy guess, presuming Germany doesn't give them dangerous chemicals.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:06pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Israel prefers to use white phosphorus.

True but I've seen the Jews using plenty of tear gas -
I wonder where they get it from & what it is?

Israel doesn't have many friends, so it's an easy guess, presuming Germany doesn't give them dangerous chemicals.

It would be the USA or themselves.
After the gas chambers in WW2 perhaps it's Zyklon B.

That would be an ultimate revenge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zyklon_B

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 8:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Israel prefers to use white phosphorus.

True but I've seen the Jews using plenty of tear gas -
I wonder where they get it from & what it is?

Depends on which version it is...
As far as I know, only CR gas is considered dangerous, CN gas (famously know as 'Mace') is still used in mass riot control, as is CS gas...(CS is the 'softest' of them)...

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:41am

The people rebel to save their own.

How much of this sh1t do they have?

No wonder they are so eager to use it against their own.
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US ships 21-tonne tear gas cargo to Tahrir, Egypt says no

Port workers in Egypt have refused to receive a shipment of tear gas ordered by the country’s Interior Ministry from the United States. They fear it will be used against protesters in Tahrir Square.

Employees at the Adabiya Seaport in coastal city Suez published shipping documents for delivery of a total of 21 tonnes of the crowd-dispersal agent, local mediareport.

The revelation comes as the first 7.5-tonne shipment from the American port of Wilmington arrived to Egypt. Some of the port workers refused to accept the cargo and made the deal public, provoking an official investigation into their actions.

The tear gas was produced by the Combined Systems company. The initial shipment consists of 479 barrels.

http://rt.com/news/tear-gas-egypt-us-555/

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:55am

This is the worst of the worst. Where is democratic America?

They are legalising the arrest of peaceful protesters as 'acts of terror"

They can now drone bomb within America

They will legalise torture.

Come on the 99% !!!! fight to the death for your freedom!

Come on Asia....you couldn't be any worse.

..................................................................................

Congress on the move to legalize torture

Yearning for the George W Bush administration of yesteryear and the inhuman torture and interrogations that was commonplace in American-run prisons? Needn’t you worry! Congress hears your cries.

Kelly Ayotte, a freshman Republican senator from New Hampshire, has proposed legislation that would repeal current laws that make harsh torture techniques illegal, a move that the American Civil Liberties Union says would "dangerously roll back" restrictions that Congress approved in 2005’s McCain Anti-Torture Amendment.

Ayotte’s amendment, snuck into the Defense Authorization bill that will soon go up for vote, would cancel in-part both the 2005 legislation and the 2009 Executive Order issued by President Obama that allowed only “lawful” interrogations.

Additionally, officials would draft a list of top-secret techniques that would be used to interrogate suspected terrorists and war criminals.

"Terrorists shouldn't be able to view all of our interrogation practices online, and the measure I introduced fixes that glaring flaw," says the senator.

In opposition to the proposal, the ACLU and 30 other organizations have sent a letter to the Senate urging them to strike Ayotte’s amendment.

We “cannot afford to return to practices that degraded our country in the eyes of the general public,” reads the letter, dated November 22, 2011. “Amendment 1068 offered by Senator Kelly Ayotte (R-NH) threatens to revive the use of torture and other cruelty in US interrogations, flying in the face of American values and US legal obligations as well as obstructing US military missions and endangering troops deployed abroad.”

The ACLU reminds lawmakers of the photos from the Abu Gharib that caused international outrage over America’s torture and interrogation abuses, which it says cost the United States “hearts and minds that are critical to US counterterrorism and counterinsurgency efforts.” That scandal led in part to the Detainee Treatment Act and struck controversial interrogation techniques from the books. Reinstating those practices would not only challenge the overwhelming decision that lawmakers made in the legislation, but bring back outrageous torture techniques that have caused not just outrage, but death. From an international standpoint, writes the ACLU, the installation of Ayotte’s amendment could once against tarnish “the international standing of the United States,” as did the revelations out of Abu Gharib. (I didn't know they had any standing on an international level)

While the amendment has a worthy opponent in the ACLU, contenders for the Republican Party’s nomination for the presidency have also gone on the record as of late to say that current torture policies are too lax. Michele Bachmann stated recently that the “CIA has no ability to have any form of interrogation for terrorists,” and declared that President Obama had forfeited its ability to torture alleged criminals by siding with the ACLU. Texas Governor Rick Perry has added that the Obama administration has been an “absolute failure” at expanding intelligence gathering amongst the military and CIA.

In addition to the ACLU, signees of the plea include Human Rights USA, Amnesty International USA and the International justice Network. On their website, the Union calls Congress’ consideration of the amendment “unthinkable” and has offered a petition for citizens to sign in objection to the legislation. (Will the fine citizens of the US sign, or have they been dumbed down sufficiently to agree with their own torture)

http://rt.com/usa/news/congress-torture-aclu-ayotte-593/print/

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:33am

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:01pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 1:18pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:49am:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 26^th, 2011 at 10:40am:

the yanks need to sell weapons because that's the only manufacturing industry they have left. Soon they will probably outsource that stuff to china :D LOL

I thought chemical weapons were outlawed by the Geneva Convention?
Doesn't it apply to Yanks?

No, just the other side that wants to carry on gassing Jews.

I wonder if this deadly chemical weapon is also sold to Israel to be used on Pallys?

Well if it is, the NGO's in Gaza are silent on the issue so I would suggest this hasn't happened yet.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:37am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:14pm:

Israel prefers to use white phosphorus.

True but I've seen the Jews using plenty of tear gas -
I wonder where they get it from & what it is?

Israel doesn't have many friends, so it's an easy guess, presuming Germany doesn't give them dangerous chemicals.

Doesn't have many friends?
You might want to research Israel's growing list of trade partners in the world, and how that counties economy is the fastest growing in the entire Middle East.
You might be very surprised.
And countries from the Arab League that have previously tried to destroy Israel quite frankly don't count.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 7:28pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:41am:

Thanks Pansi - you've done well to expose this US company Combined Systems
that makes money out of killing peaceful protestors.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Soren on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 7:54pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 7:28pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:41am:

Thanks Pansi - you've done well to expose this US company Combined Systems
that makes money out of killing peaceful protestors.

Big deal.

What I am surprised about is that the Gypos thought 479 barels would be anywhere near enough.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:45pm

Soren,

Quote:

Big deal.

What I am surprised about that the Gypos thought 479 barrels would be anywhere near enough.

You horrible person.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Soren on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:30pm

What? You didn't really believed that sanity has finally arrived in Arab countries, did you?

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:23pm

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:30pm:

What? You didn't really believed that sanity has finally arrived in Arab countries, did you?

Soren,
I think people are basically the same everywhere.
They all want to at least think they have a voice or a say in their societies -
not to be exterminated with poison gas like blow flies -
which is what you want.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Soren on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:37pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:23pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:30pm:

What? You didn't really believed that sanity has finally arrived in Arab countries, did you?

Soren,
I think people are basically the same everywhere.

I used to think that up until 10 September 2001.

Anyway, tear gas is not poison gas. Dispersing mobs is not the same as exterminating them. Get over yourself.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Imperium IV on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:42pm

Quote:

I used to think that up until 10 September 2001.

you mustnt be very perceptive if it took that to make you think that

i knew that the moment the first time i saw an abo

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Soren on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:54pm

I know. It is a 'scales falling from one's eyes' kind of experience.

I still believe that some individuals have the power to overcome the handicap of their cultures. Most don't, however.

As for race, it is too much of a collective identity and leaves no opportunity for the individual to overcome the handicap of culture (that is often mapped more or less onto races). I do think that stereoptypes are valid but I want to be able to make exceptions for particular individuals, as individuals. I think grown-ups are personally responsible for what culture they absorb and make their own (in western liberal democracies, at any rate). I do realise that most people would rather comform to their own race and culture, so liberty and opportunity is very often just pearls before swine. But I want to be able to exempt exceptional individuals.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Imperium IV on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 11:06pm

nah couldnt be stuufed going into a debate about this with everybody else

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Imperium IV on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 11:11pm

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Imperium IV on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 11:21pm

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 7:33am

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:23pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:30pm:

What? You didn't really believed that sanity has finally arrived in Arab countries, did you?

Soren,
I think people are basically the same everywhere.

I used to think that up until 10 September 2001.

Anyway, tear gas is not poison gas. Dispersing mobs is not the same as exterminating them. Get over yourself.

Soren - at least read the thread mate.
Over 40 people were gassed to death already in Egypt.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 3:24pm

I changed the video bobby. Am I pardoned?

Still not about America's chemical stockpile, but it will give you an insight into the atrocities of the war on terror.

Watch the Fallujah hospital video.

http://www.chris-floyd.com/fallujah/

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 4:15pm

Hi Pansi,
Good video there but it's not really about people being sprayed with deadly chemicals.
It is worthy of a new thread if you want to start one.

We are all being watched by Big Brother.

I bet this site is monitored very closely by governments all around the world.
Oh well - expect a knock at the door one day from some spook if you post here.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 4:57pm

Seattle activist Dorli Rainey, 84, reacts after being hit with pepper spray during an Occupy Seattle protest.

A woman who gave her name as Jennifer and said she was two months pregnant is rushed to an ambulance after being hit with pepper spray at an Occupy Seattle protest

Seattle Police officers deploy pepper spray into a crowd during an Occupy Seattle protest

http://rt.com/usa/news/police-occupy-seattle-francisco-503/

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 5:41pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 3:24pm:

You are pardoned.
Terrible videos & pics.
Yuck.
Peoples taxes pay for this.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by Deathridesahorse on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:04pm

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Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:50pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:04pm:

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 7:13pm

What has this last post got to do with my thread?

Please people - try to stay on topic.
When I start a thread I do my best to be polite & reply to people
but it gets a bit tough sometimes.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by pansi1951 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 7:52pm

oops! sorry bobby

short attention span

I must be turning rightard err

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by helian on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 8:54pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:50pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:04pm:

L'iar and De Shonko

(Although we all secretly admire Turnbull).

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by gizmo_2655 on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 9:16pm

Bobby. wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 7:33am:

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:37pm:

Bobby. wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 10:23pm:

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:30pm:

What? You didn't really believed that sanity has finally arrived in Arab countries, did you?

Soren,
I think people are basically the same everywhere.

I used to think that up until 10 September 2001.

Anyway, tear gas is not poison gas. Dispersing mobs is not the same as exterminating them. Get over yourself.

Soren - at least read the thread mate.
Over 40 people were gassed to death already in Egypt.

No bobby....It doesn't say 'over 40 people' died from tear gas..

"After almost a week of protests against the ruling military junta left some 41 people dead, several sources claim scores have died from gas asphyxiation, while thousands more have received medical treatment after possibly being exposed to an agent known as CR gas."

41 have died during the protests.......and an unconfirmed report 'scores more' have been gassed....
Unfortuately, the numbers don't add up...So the 'gassed to death' claims are probably bull droppings.

Title: Re: The Yanks are hypocrites.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Dec 3^rd, 2011 at 9:47pm

Gizmo,
of course people were gassed to death.
Even the company who makes the poison admits that it can be lethal.
Combined Systems is an evil company & they should not be allowed
to export such chemical weapons.

Seems that we haven't learnt from the horrors of Auschwitz.
People gassed to death in 2011 - who would have believed it -
& that the Americans were responsible?