A little over a week ago , laws were passed,- somewhere - that allowed police to enter and remove all marijuana substitutes from businesses in Se QLD. I imagine it applies everywhere in the state .  The claimed reason was to prevent the 'schoolies' - you know them, !!  supposedly, from driving under the influence.  (WHAT Hypocritical garbage)

NOW LETS JUST BE CLEAR - the new law bans 'any substance (unspecified)  which can be said to mimic the effects of illegal substances'.  (MY WORDS)  The powers that be couldn't ban the actual herb/s - (for this post we'll stick to K2)  ... so they enact a law which is entirely illegitimate. If 'whatever' makes you feel stoned, its illegal.!!!!

WHAT??????The mind truly boggles. But you gotta remember , this is Queensland. Anybody know if it applies outside this bogan state? >:( I'm too angry to go there.!

Anyway, I had been curious.. and purely by chance, as recently as 2 mths ago, I  came across a business which sold K2. Legally. It wasn't illegal, - not  classed as a poison, as marijuana, erroneously, is classed, so up until Fri before last you could purchase it - no dramas. So - yep I tried a couple of grams.  NOT ALL AT ONCE!!! for you morons who don't understand but still condemn.!!
It worked pretty good actually.
So.. last Monday I go to get a bit more, only to find the business had been stripped of this product.  I was pretty disgusted, I have to say. The business owner,replied to my comments of disbelief.....     yeah - its really bad ....  they just want to give it all back to the Bikers.  Ridiculous, he said .. shaking his head.

THIS IS TRULY a bad sign ...  the jackboots and batons will be next. !!
I am just disgusted.!!!!!!!!!!!

Of course it is still available on-line, but now illegal to possess. >:( >:( >:( >:(

It didn't help that the New Zealand manufacturers refused to comply with Australian labelling laws by not identifying the contents of their product then producing and selling ever stronger variations of "legal marijuana"...

Then goading Australian state governments by making wild claims of being able to subvert any Australian law by "altering the chemical structure" of the active ingredients.

The arrogance of these pissant companies eventually led to its banning in New Zealand as well.

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 3:26am:

A little over a week ago , laws were passed,- somewhere - that allowed police to enter and remove all marijuana substitutes from businesses in Se QLD. I imagine it applies everywhere in the state .  The claimed reason was to prevent the 'schoolies' - you know them, !!  supposedly, from driving under the influence.  (WHAT Hypocritical garbage) NOW LETS JUST BE CLEAR - the new law bans 'any substance (unspecified)  which can be said to mimic the effects of illegal substances'.  (MY WORDS)  The powers that be couldn't ban the actual herb/s - (for this post we'll stick to K2)  ... so they enact a law which is entirely illegitimate. If 'whatever' makes you feel stoned, its illegal.!!!! WHAT??????The mind truly boggles. But you gotta remember , this is Queensland. Anybody know if it applies outside this bogan state? >:( I'm too angry to go there.! Anyway, I had been curious.. and purely by chance, as recently as 2 mths ago, I  came across a business which sold K2. Legally. It wasn't illegal, - not  classed as a poison, as marijuana, erroneously, is classed, so up until Fri before last you could purchase it - no dramas. So - yep I tried a couple of grams.  NOT ALL AT ONCE!!! for you morons who don't understand but still condemn.!! It worked pretty good actually. So.. last Monday I go to get a bit more, only to find the business had been stripped of this product.  I was pretty disgusted, I have to say. The business owner,replied to my comments of disbelief.....     yeah - its really bad ....  they just want to give it all back to the Bikers.  Ridiculous, he said .. shaking his head. THIS IS TRULY a bad sign ...  the jackboots and batons will be next. !! I am just disgusted.!!!!!!!!!!! Of course it is still available on-line, but now illegal to possess. >:( >:( >:( >:(

Well - they will have to ban avocados because they help
release endorphins in the brain just like pot.
Avocados make you feel good so that's what is next on the list -
& don't forget chocolate does the same thing.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 11:56am:

Emma wrote on Nov 27th, 2011 at 3:26am: A little over a week ago , laws were passed,- somewhere - that allowed police to enter and remove all marijuana substitutes from businesses in Se QLD. I imagine it applies everywhere in the state .  The claimed reason was to prevent the 'schoolies' - you know them, !!  supposedly, from driving under the influence.  (WHAT Hypocritical garbage) NOW LETS JUST BE CLEAR - the new law bans 'any substance (unspecified)  which can be said to mimic the effects of illegal substances'.  (MY WORDS)  The powers that be couldn't ban the actual herb/s - (for this post we'll stick to K2)  ... so they enact a law which is entirely illegitimate. If 'whatever' makes you feel stoned, its illegal.!!!! WHAT??????The mind truly boggles. But you gotta remember , this is Queensland. Anybody know if it applies outside this bogan state? >:( I'm too angry to go there.! Anyway, I had been curious.. and purely by chance, as recently as 2 mths ago, I  came across a business which sold K2. Legally. It wasn't illegal, - not  classed as a poison, as marijuana, erroneously, is classed, so up until Fri before last you could purchase it - no dramas. So - yep I tried a couple of grams.  NOT ALL AT ONCE!!! for you morons who don't understand but still condemn.!! It worked pretty good actually. So.. last Monday I go to get a bit more, only to find the business had been stripped of this product.  I was pretty disgusted, I have to say. The business owner,replied to my comments of disbelief.....     yeah - its really bad ....  they just want to give it all back to the Bikers.  Ridiculous, he said .. shaking his head. THIS IS TRULY a bad sign ...  the jackboots and batons will be next. !! I am just disgusted.!!!!!!!!!!! Of course it is still available on-line, but now illegal to possess. >:( >:( >:( >:( Well - they will have to ban avocados because they help release endorphins in the brain just like pot. Avocados make you feel good so that's what is next on the list - & don't forget chocolate does the same thing.

Tomatoes contain THC; have to ban them too.

Quote:

Tomatoes contain THC; have to ban them too.

Yes - add that to the list of banned substances.

see my thread:
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1322267896/15

but it's ok to make neuro-toxic nerve gas & sell it to kill people - go figure?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 7:05am:

It didn't help that the New Zealand manufacturers refused to comply with Australian labelling laws by not identifying the contents of their product then producing and selling ever stronger variations of "legal marijuana"... Then goading Australian state governments by making wild claims of being able to subvert any Australian law by "altering the chemical structure" of the active ingredients. The arrogance of these pissant companies eventually led to its banning in New Zealand as well.

That's some fairly detailed information there. Except that K2 is not banned in NZ. They are still shipping cannabinoid substances. They've just varied the carbon link, and will keep doing that as each new molecule is banned. This means however that some strains of K2 will not be as potent as other strains.

Queensland's new law is interesting... I would like to see it tested.

That's some fairly detailed information there. Except that K2 is not banned in NZ. They are still shipping cannabinoid substances. They've just varied the carbon link, and will keep doing that as each new molecule is banned. This means however that some strains of K2 will not be as potent as other strains.

Queensland's new law is interesting... I would like to see it tested.  Sappho  


Me too. Actually Helian ...
K2 is a product of the USA.
I don't know about the other stuff the cops took, but news footage shows little baggies of weird looking powders.  -  K2 is actually a plant product, packaged and +18 Restricted.
Obviously crooks jumped on the band wagon.   >:(
I think the original K2 was actually quite acceptable, and should not be included with the 'copies'.  
FYI the name of the herbal plant is - Turnera diffusa - and comes with added fragrance oil. Various varieties formerly available, from what I can tell, differed slightly in flavour, and anecdotally, some were stronger than others.

Never got the opportunity to really check it out.!! :( :( :o

Sappho wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 3:22pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 27th, 2011 at 7:05am: It didn't help that the New Zealand manufacturers refused to comply with Australian labelling laws by not identifying the contents of their product then producing and selling ever stronger variations of "legal marijuana"... Then goading Australian state governments by making wild claims of being able to subvert any Australian law by "altering the chemical structure" of the active ingredients. The arrogance of these pissant companies eventually led to its banning in New Zealand as well. That's some fairly detailed information there. Except that K2 is not banned in NZ. They are still shipping cannabinoid substances. They've just varied the carbon link, and will keep doing that as each new molecule is banned. This means however that some strains of K2 will not be as potent as other strains. Queensland's new law is interesting... I would like to see it tested.

Well, unfortunately due to the New Zealand company beating it's midget chest over Kronic, they inadvertently riled Australian state governments over who runs this country... Kiwi dickheads or Australians?

And BTW, Cannibanoids like K2 can be added to the poisons list without legislation.

Obviously  Oz dickheads.!!

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 8:53pm:

Obviously  Oz dickheads.!!

But at least their our dickheads.

:PThis should make me happy??

Emma wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 9:09pm:

:PThis should make me happy??

Well, look on the bright side... At least you can blame those bloody Kiwis for screwing up your drug habit  :P

Helian, do you think Kronic should be illegal? What about cannabis?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:19am:

Helian, do you think Kronic should be illegal? What about cannabis?

I did see the effects of the ever stronger breeds of Kronic being sold here and I have no doubt that its effects are much worse than cannabis. I noted addictive behaviour among users of Kronic (who were cannabis smokers) that I didn't see when they were just smoking pot. One breed was so strong, its effects for about 20 minutes were more like heroin than dope.

The manufacturers refused to name the active ingredients nor their concentration in any of their products. They vocally made unsubstantiated claims of safety and goaded Australian governments (as I said above) with claims of ability to subvert our laws. If I were a legislator or law enforcer, I too would be offended by foreigners goading me to respond. I wonder how New Zealand legislators would have responded had it been the other way around. As it turned out, the NZ Minister of Health finally woke up and realised the NZ government was risking being accused of a lack of duty of care with regard to "legal marijuana", particularly in the face of uncontrolled products being sold to just about anyone containing unknown chemicals in those products.

As for cannabis... I think decriminalisation is a rational approach.

Yes. I have read about the negative effects of Kronic and I have no problem banning it. I support the legalisation of cannabis though, rather than just decriminalising it.

If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug.

It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:42pm:

If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug. It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade.

Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:42pm: If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug. It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade. Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

Users are not abusers....

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:49pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:42pm: If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug. It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade. Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition.

Portugal provides a decent reference here Helian, you should look into their drug policy and the effect it has had on use and problems associated with abuse.  

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 8:54pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 7:49pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:42pm: If society legalized all drugs, then society would control the amount and price of said drugs in the same way that society controls the amount and price of alcohol the legal drug. It would also spell the end of drug wars and almost all criminality born of the drug trade. Wait till you saw what it would do to the many thousands who would become regular users if not for their prohibition. Users are not abusers....

When is a pile a heap?

Drug use is usually insidious...  

When will it become illegal to combine Johnson's shampoo with Loreal conditioner?
Is it only if there is an undesirable reaction which takes place?

Will laws enventuate where it is illegal to consume GM peas with Walmart GM carrots?

Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion.
What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix?

Amadd wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:24am:

Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion. What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix?

If you're asking when will it be required to legislate that certain freely available chemicals are no loner freely available... My guess would be when enough people ingest freely available brake fluid and chlorine and/or blow bits of their bodies off with it (including other people's), then turn up at freely available hospitals and rehab centres to be saved from their own stupidity, would be a good time to start legislating.

OK, I was talking stark contrast there to get the point across.

The more chemicals which are allowed into the system, then all the more reactions that are possible and probable.

How on earth can it be illegal to mix two legal substances?

Do two rights make a wrong?   ..Appealing to your mathematical mind there Helian  ;D

Do you see it?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:31am:

Amadd wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 7:24am: Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion. What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix? If you're asking when will it be required to legislate that certain freely available chemicals are no loner freely available... My guess would be when enough people ingest freely available brake fluid and chlorine and/or blow bits of their bodies off with it (including other people's), then turn up at freely available hospitals and rehab centres to be saved from their own stupidity, would be a good time to start legislating.

Is it safe to assume you are in favour of alcohol & tobacco prohibition.  What's your position on consensual human procreation; plenty of kids turn up to freely available hospitals daily to be saved from their own stupidity.

Kronic is stoopid.

One of the best things about dope is that you know (or should know) that it's not going to harm you.  Sure the buzz is nice, but it's very mild compared to some highs that you could get, albeit at higher risk to yourself.  

But you don't have that peace of mind with Kronic. As they are constantly changing the structure without testing, you never know what that next 'blend' is going to do to you.  If you're going to take the greater risks, you might as well get a greater high for your troubles.

qikvtec wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:03pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 7:31am: Amadd wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 7:24am: Obviously, it's already undesirable to mix freely available brake fluid with freely available clourine, because that may/will cause a chemical reaction....or explosion. What other freely available chemicals aren't we allowed to mix? If you're asking when will it be required to legislate that certain freely available chemicals are no loner freely available... My guess would be when enough people ingest freely available brake fluid and chlorine and/or blow bits of their bodies off with it (including other people's), then turn up at freely available hospitals and rehab centres to be saved from their own stupidity, would be a good time to start legislating. Is it safe to assume you are in favour of alcohol & tobacco prohibition.  What's your position on consensual human procreation; plenty of kids turn up to freely available hospitals daily to be saved from their own stupidity.

No point legislating against the unlegislatable.

Alcohol has been part of European culture for too long. Prohibition was tried in the US (not long after women gained suffrage). It failed. Alcohol has been part of the European Australian story since its outset. I'd like to see how much is left of the politician or party that tries to take that debate to the electorate.

Tobacco is being slowly throttled out of the culture by ever increasing taxation and prohibition on places to legally smoke... The aim is obviously full prohibition.

Prohibition on human procreation? Well the Chinese have taken a partial swipe at that...

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:06pm:

Alcohol has been part of European culture for too long. Prohibition was tried in the US (not long after women gained suffrage). It failed. Alcohol has been part of the European Australian story since its outset. I'd like to see how much is left of the politician or party that tries to take that debate to the electorate.

Drugs have been a part of Human culture since the times of pre history... since before the advent of of alcohol. Prohibition is being tried and it is failing.

No point legislating against the unlegislatable. - Helian

Yeah so think about that. You say that - mentioning 'alcohol' tobacco' and 'sex' as being unlegislatable.

Why the restriction???? Not logical to me,
but yeah - legalise it.!!

Least that way taxes are paid, money can come in to help mitigate harm, and criminals won't get any richer, and kids won't slip over to the 'dark side' ! ::)

Sappho wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:27pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 6:06pm: Alcohol has been part of European culture for too long. Prohibition was tried in the US (not long after women gained suffrage). It failed. Alcohol has been part of the European Australian story since its outset. I'd like to see how much is left of the politician or party that tries to take that debate to the electorate. Drugs have been a part of Human culture since the times of pre history... since before the advent of of alcohol. Prohibition is being tried and it is failing.

They have (been part of Human culture since the times of pre history)... Not much trouble passing legislation in Euro-centric countries against the recreational use of most psychoactive drugs, but.

How could you legalise something life destroying like meth?

'How could you legalise something life destroying like meth?'  - AAnthrax

Off topic AA- a much more problematical issue, as of now.  

But like they say -- you gotta crawl before you walk....  and..another analogy  ::)

'if you take care of the pennies the pounds take care of themselves.

:) ;D :) :)

:)

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 9:04pm:

How could you legalise something life destroying like meth?

Did you know that illegal alcohol during the Prohibition period was life destroying due to the high volume of alcohol. When they made it legal, equally they had the power to control the volumes of alcohol... although still, for many, Alcohol is life destroying.

Likewise, if meth was made legal, then they could control the amount of active ingredient contained within the substance.

That's the powerful part of legalizing drugs... all of a sudden it is the Government that controls the price and quantity of active ingredient.  

It's all about choice... Choose your poison m'dear.

yeah and I think its also about who should derive a benefit  - criminals,........ or govt , and therefore the people.

I vote for people etc over crims anyday. But all these strange straights 'd rather enrich criminals and terrorists!!!
Don't ask me why - makes no sense to me that they'd rather have their children paying crims, rather than 'tax'.

8-)

Emma wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 12:55am:

I vote for people etc over crims anyday. But all these strange straights 'd rather enrich criminals and terrorists!!!

"Strange straights" ;D

Yeah, alcohol's bad, but wait till you've seen enough shambling psychopathic wrecks from using the white goods...

Sappho wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 12:25am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 9:04pm: How could you legalise something life destroying like meth? Likewise, if meth was made legal, then they could control the amount of active ingredient contained within the substance. That's the powerful part of legalizing drugs... all of a sudden it is the Government that controls the price and quantity of active ingredient.   It's all about choice... Choose your poison m'dear.

You'd have to drastically alter meth to make it safe. If controlling the active ingredient has an effect on the high, then there'd still be a market for home-made meth lab products. What will have changed?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:22am:

Emma wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 12:55am: I vote for people etc over crims anyday. But all these strange straights 'd rather enrich criminals and terrorists!!! "Strange straights" ;D Yeah, alcohol's bad, but wait till you've seen enough shambling psychopathic wrecks from using the white goods...

Been there done that !! :) and I'm sure you'll make of that what you can.

Honestly?????
....... After  ..   near - on  ..   55 yrs on this planet, ( :-?)  ( i don' believe'it :o)   ................

DRUNKS are the worst.! :(

Overall.

Emma wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 8:01pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:22am: Emma wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 12:55am: I vote for people etc over crims anyday. But all these strange straights 'd rather enrich criminals and terrorists!!! "Strange straights" ;D Yeah, alcohol's bad, but wait till you've seen enough shambling psychopathic wrecks from using the white goods... DRUNKS are the worst.! :( Overall.

Well, there's more of them, that's for sure... And there's nothing good to say about being a drunk.

But anyone who's had to bar up their house like Fort Knox to stop their heroin addicted grown kids from breaking in and stealing a TV, entertainment equipment, a fridge, jewellery etc... to feed their habit... Or leave town and not leave a forwarding address to be rid of them... May have a different story.

Or anyone who has been sexually abused by a parent with meth induced hypersexuality. Or beaten up by their super aggressive tweaking out spouse.

Helian..AA...i don't deny what you are saying..

I just cannot see how maintaining the current policies will change anything.. it'll just be more of the same, evidence your comments..

Imagine if your heroin-addicted adult child didn't have to chase hishit down on the street.

Can you imagine that?  

That's what methadone clinics are for.

Emma wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:15pm:

Helian..AA...i don't deny what you are saying.. I just cannot see how maintaining the current policies will change anything.. it'll just be more of the same, evidence your comments.. Imagine if your heroin-addicted adult child didn't have to chase hishit down on the street. Can you imagine that?

Any legislator whose worth his/her salt would not, in good conscience, allow drug addiction to be the fate of the citizens they're charged with protecting...

Can you imagine a legislator, in good conscience, allowing this to be the fate of those in their charge? Or the death of them as a consequence of their doing nothing?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 8:54pm:

Emma wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 8:15pm: Helian..AA...i don't deny what you are saying.. I just cannot see how maintaining the current policies will change anything.. it'll just be more of the same, evidence your comments.. Imagine if your heroin-addicted adult child didn't have to chase hishit down on the street. Can you imagine that?   Any legislator whose worth his/her salt would not, in good conscience, allow drug addiction to be the fate of the citizens they're charged with protecting... Can you imagine a legislator, in good conscience, allowing this to be the fate of those in their charge? Or the death of them as a consequence of their doing nothing?

They do it daily.

Helian you are missing the point entirely. !!

Deliberate? i don't know ::) .. if you could just think.....

Any legislator whose worth his/her salt would not, in good conscience, allow drug addiction to be the fate of the citizens they're charged with protecting...
Can you imagine a legislator, in good conscience, allowing this to be the fate of those in their charge? Or the death of them as a consequence of their doing nothing?

This  is nonsensical Helian. Where has a LAW EVER stopped addictions??? OR deaths.??? Legislators couldn't know or care less..Hasn't worked for the last 50 yrs, and they know it, they must see it,,  but here we still are.

The mystery is -WHY?????

Or  - perhaps not so mysterious after all. Yeah??   Why??


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:08pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 8:54pm: Emma wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 8:15pm: Helian..AA...i don't deny what you are saying.. I just cannot see how maintaining the current policies will change anything.. it'll just be more of the same, evidence your comments.. Imagine if your heroin-addicted adult child didn't have to chase hishit down on the street. Can you imagine that?   Any legislator whose worth his/her salt would not, in good conscience, allow drug addiction to be the fate of the citizens they're charged with protecting... Can you imagine a legislator, in good conscience, allowing this to be the fate of those in their charge? Or the death of them as a consequence of their doing nothing? They do it daily.

Obviously you've never actually met a legislator.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:16pm:

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:08pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 8:54pm: Emma wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 8:15pm: Helian..AA...i don't deny what you are saying.. I just cannot see how maintaining the current policies will change anything.. it'll just be more of the same, evidence your comments.. Imagine if your heroin-addicted adult child didn't have to chase hishit down on the street. Can you imagine that?   Any legislator whose worth his/her salt would not, in good conscience, allow drug addiction to be the fate of the citizens they're charged with protecting... Can you imagine a legislator, in good conscience, allowing this to be the fate of those in their charge? Or the death of them as a consequence of their doing nothing? They do it daily. Obviously you've never actually met a legislator.

Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco?

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:18pm:

Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco?

I don't know, did you?

How do you criminalise tobacco?

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:20pm:

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco?

You say, "You're nicked, sunshine!"

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:25pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:20pm: qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco? You say, "You're nicked, sunshine!"

Yeah, of course... That'll work  ::)

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:20pm:

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco?

Sorry, the use, growth or manufacture thereof.

Soren wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:25pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:20pm: qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco? You say, "You're nicked, sunshine!"

Boom Boom

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:29pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:20pm: qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco? Sorry, the use, growth or manufacture thereof.

well, by all means qikvtec, try and get yourself elected on that platform.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:30pm:

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:29pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:20pm: qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco? Sorry, the use, growth or manufacture thereof. well, by all means qikvtec, try and get yourself elected on that platform.

I'm not saying it's ever likely; just pointing out the obvious error in your argument, since you were talking about in good conscience and all.  How could any legislator in all good conscience allow the continued preventable deaths of 50 Australians per day due tobacco?

HMMMMMM??????
Helian?????????

qikvtec wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 9:36pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:30pm: qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:29pm: NorthOfNorth wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:20pm: qikvtec wrote on Dec 1st, 2011 at 9:18pm: Did I miss that criminalisation of tobacco? I don't know, did you? How do you criminalise tobacco? Sorry, the use, growth or manufacture thereof. well, by all means qikvtec, try and get yourself elected on that platform. I'm not saying it's ever likely; just pointing out the obvious error in your argument, since you were talking about in good conscience and all.  How could any legislator in all good conscience allow the continued preventable deaths of 50 Australians per day due tobacco?

Not an obvious error at all. Legislators of good conscience are working hard to eradicate this blight on a peoples' health. But how do you manage the prohibition of a 500 year old habit in the west which, (a) until barely 25 years ago was generally considered safe (b) was strongly associated with sport and sophistication and (c) had millions addicted?

Nearly every year legislators launch attacks on tobacco producers by (a) banning them from sponsoring public events, (b) banning them from advertising their product (c) banning even the branding of their product and (d) imposing massive tariffs on their product.

The cost of cigarette purchase is extraordinarily high for good reasons. Health and safety campaigns are regularly launched against the use of tobacco products. I can't imagine how much more legislators of good conscience could do to discharge their duty of care (being mindful of the suffering that would be imposed on millions of citizens, simultaneously struck with managing withdrawal from a highly addictive substance, which a complete ban would cause).

well yeah you're talking about tobacco.............a product which has raked in many $ for the companies involved, and their share-holders, ....and  caused unknowable numbers of deaths.

But - , this is hard but you can't legislate against people's tendencies, successfully.

We have the juggernauts of death  grinding away .  ..alcohol and tobacco.. known and proved to cause harm. Still they are legally available, although restricted by law to those 18 and over. And they generate massive revenue to govt.  If people want to drink themselves to death .. that is their right. Sad but true.

The absolutely best thing we could do is legalise Pot, and its copies, on the same basis .. and use those huge  freed up resources to police serious crime.
Because people will always do what they will, and some things, like the criminalisation of Pot, are unproductive and only serve to bolster crime.  never could understand the rationale.! >:(

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