PUBLIC and private schools face the biggest funding overhaul in decades as the Gillard government prepares to scrap the current system.   :-?

Warning Australia risks a "two-tiered school system" that fails the nation's struggling students, Education Minister Peter Garrett has slammed the current system as "all over the place".   :(

And for the first time, he's confirmed the government's intention to legislate any changes next year -- before voters cast their ballot at the 2013 election.

Mr Garrett told The Sunday Telegraph that "a new model" will emerge from the first major review of schools funding n decades.

"Too many hard-working families feel they have to scrimp and save to get their kids a good education, when a good education should be the birthright of every Australian," Mr Garrett said.


"The school funding system is all over the place."   :(

Mr Garrett said the Gonski review will offer a "fundamental break from the systems of the past, and that supports the rights of every child to have a great education at a great school."

Mr Garrett pledged that "no school would lose a dollar" under the changes but failed to offer any pledge to index private school funding or guarantee any changes would not increase private school fees.

He said it was "not fair" that many similar schools secured different funding under special deals and "no loser" guarantees entered into by the Howard government.   :(

About 40 per cent of private schools secure more money than they should.   :(

Yes Mr Garrett, you are right, something must be done about this.  Thank you for looking into it.   :)

Ha ha, another policy disaster on the way from Batt-man ;D ;D

wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 6:08am:

[...] "Too many hard-working families feel they have to scrimp and save to get their kids a good education, when a good education should be the birthright of every Australian," Mr Garrett said. [...] (

The question is Battman: is the money following the kids or are the kids following the money? The perception is that private schools can deliver a much better education than public schools so the private schools should receive equal funding. When the public schools have the ability to dump those union-protected hopeless teachers things might change.

Lesson #1: a teacher at a public primary school near Seven Hills marked a student as wrong for the spelling of ANZAC. According to the teacher the correct spelling was ANZACK.

Lesson #2: a teacher at Blacktown Girls High School demonstated a maths problem on the blackboard. When our friend's daughter asked the teacher: how did you get your answer? the teacher shot back: are you questioning my method? The girls in the class didn't bother with questions to the teacher for the rest of the year.

Lesson #3: a teacher at the above school stood in front of the class and handed out work sheets and not much more. Her opinion was that all the girls should pass the final exam.

ETC.

Up in the Hunter region the school system is well represented by lesbians. If you aren't in the club your future is limited.

What's wrong with public schools? PLENTY.

Quote:

Up in the Hunter region the school system is well represented by lesbians. If you aren't in the club your future is limited.

That's disgusting. How can a woman teach children the fundamentals of maths or grammar if she spends her weekends loving another woman?

Do you want to be in the lesbian club?

VICTORIA'S 310,000 students at non-government schools would lose up to $45 million in funding under two Greens policies, according to independent schools.   :-?

Independent Schools Victoria says up to 67 Victorian schools would lose all their government cash under the Greens' proposal to crack down on "wealthier" schools.

The group has revealed what it says would be the cost of Greens policies to re-direct subsidies away from some schools and to force independent schools back to 2003-04 funding levels.

The federal Government is due to receive a report on school funding from review panel chairman David Gonski later this year - after the Greens take the balance of power in the Senate.   :)

School Education Minister Peter Garrett has said no school would lose "a dollar" per student, but future funding arrangements are uncertain.


Independent schools are concerned they will lose funding and parents will be forced to foot the bill.

Independent Schools Victoria analysed figures from the Government's My School website to model Green policies, using the example of "wealthy" schools provided by NSW Greens as a benchmark.

It ran three models of the policies' impact, depending on different definitions of school wealth.

It found that, nationally, schools would lose up to $1.61 billion.

In Victoria, the loss would be $377455.9 million. About a third of that loss would stem from the removal of public subsidies, affecting 54-67 Victorian schools.

Independent Schools Victoria chief executive Michelle Green said cuts would hurt families and close schools.

"It is likely that members of Parliament will be asked by parents how their children's non-government schools will survive," Ms Green said.

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion.   ;)

Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

johnstonm@heraldsun.com.au

Comments on this story

   Jeditutor of Brisbane Posted at 12:26 AM Today

       Private schools are for the rich. They create elitists so why should I have to pay for the rich kids with my tax. You send your kids to private schools, then you pay for it 100%. Its a joke, that we have to pay and its exactly what is wrong with this greedy country. We are the only country in the world where private schools are paid with public money. Private schools, with millions in profits for their own needs. Stop this greed. If schools go bust, then turn them public.   :(

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   Alan of Aspley Posted at 6:37 AM Today

       if you want to send your kid to a private school, pay for it. If not send them to a public/state school, it still costs an arm and a leg these days.   :(

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   Retrokev of Rockvegas Posted at 7:11 AM Today

       Oh no here we go again, Labor passion fingers at work. I already took my kids out of public school because it has become so disfunctional and now if Garrett and his cronies start playing with the system we will have to send our kids overseas to get a good education.  

 

What have you got against private schools??

Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either"

At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't.

Get used to it and stop moaning about how unfair life is.

Life is only as hard as you make it for yourself.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

What have you got against private schools?? Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either" At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't. Get used to it and stop moaning about how unfair life is. Life is only as hard as you make it for yourself.

If they want to run a business and make a profit out of education then don't expect corporate welfare to prop it up and to build swimming pools etc !!

Elitist scams is what they are :(

This is about the 50th thread on the same topic. it can be basically summed up as losers complaining about winners.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 3:28pm:

This is about the 50th thread on the same topic. it can be basically summed up as losers complaining about winners.

Lets see how much of a winner they would be without the corporate welfare doled out each year !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 1:30pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 27th, 2011 at 12:04pm: What have you got against private schools?? Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either" At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't. Get used to it and stop moaning about how unfair life is. Life is only as hard as you make it for yourself. If they want to run a business and make a profit out of education then don't expect corporate welfare to prop it up and to build swimming pools etc !! Elitist scams is what they are :(

The majority of students in private education have parents who pay significant sums of tax annually, to fund, amongst other things EDUCATION; why should they not be entitled to receive tax payer funding for their kids?  

Who in their right mind would subject their children to the public system if they had a choice?

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion.   ;)  

Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:01am:

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion.   ;)   Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

what would be the point in that? that only has value if the labor party's election policies can be trusted. and they cant.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 10:22am:

Quote: Up in the Hunter region the school system is well represented by lesbians. If you aren't in the club your future is limited. That's disgusting. How can a woman teach children the fundamentals of maths or grammar if she spends her weekends loving another woman? Do you want to be in the lesbian club?

Sorry, I should have padded that out a little more. If you are applying for a deputy's job or perhaps a head's job and you are up against one of the members of 'the club' you don't stand much chance. Hiding the fact that you are married (to a man for G*d's sake) is impossible at the interview stage.

wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:01am:

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion.   ;)

You forget that Hanson-Young has other people wording her questions for her. I'd say someone worded her statement for her also.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 27^th, 2011 at 12:04pm:

What have you got against private schools?? Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either" At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't.

If they can "AFFORD" it - good FOR them
But don't expect subsidies from ALL tax-payers - if they CAN'T

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 9:38am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Nov 27th, 2011 at 12:04pm: What have you got against private schools?? Could it be the age-old envy of "Why can't I go there too?" or "I can't afford to send my kids to private school so nobody else should either" At the end of the day mate, society is made up of those who can afford something and those who can't. If they can "AFFORD" it - good FOR them But don't expect subsidies from ALL tax-payers - if they CAN'T

Every student has the right to a government subsidised education, and correct me if Im wrong, but arent private schools per child funded to about 50% of that of public students?

Unless you want australia to sink further and furthr into 'dumb country' status, you should be happy for private schools to receive funding.  Parents are eligible to send their kids to public schools, which they pay for out of their taxes - they do not get an exemption from tax because they choose to pay extra to send their kids to private school.  

As public schools fill up with ESL students and general bad eggs, they harm the chances of everyone going there to get a good education.  No chance my kids'll be going to public school, but if public schools didn't receive any funding, parents would be up for 10's of thousands of $$$ a year, on top of the taxation they already pay.  Education would only be for the rich, and anyone else has little to no chance of rising above their station.  

As public schools fill up with ESL students...


You got that right.

wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:01am:

Greens education spokeswoman Sarah Hanson-Young said there was a clear inequity in funding, and if the Government wasn't going to take money from schools then it had to find another way to boost the public system by $12 billion.   ;)   Senator Hanson-Young said plans for the new funding formula must be revealed before the next election.

Who gives a sh!t what that god awful commie mole has to say?

I wonder how supportive ëlitist"private school supporters would be willing to pay more taxes to help underprivilged public - and private schools to offer their students the same oppurtunity through excellence in facilities an staff that most private schools offer for profit.......

NOT BLOODY LIKELY  -  is the scream you'll hear from this side of Double Bay to the outer boundaries of Subiaco over to Ascot in Brisbane. AND the rational to counter the argument will be why should I be taxed to support some [single mother/pensioner/low-paid labourer/immigrant/working class]'s son/daughter?????????   And the answer is  - there is no more logical reason to pay more taxes for either A. The poor to subsidise the elitist (usually religious) private schools. or B. The rich to pay more taxes to make the schools sytem more equitable.

I personally believe that the Fede Gov. should resort to the same coupon/token system now in force in England. Rather than some schools being able to simply rely on who might attend their shool - for whatever reason they have in the past the ability and freedom of being able to take your sons/daughter EQUAL AMOUNT token and remit it to your school of choice will accomplish a number of prime objectives that politicians, and educators will all agree on. It will motivate all teachers in both public and private schools to develop the curriculum and talents perhaps even by offering specialist areas of excellence to attract students that might benefit by the empassioned ideals that education is primarily about the fostering of our future society rather than a second choice for a honors uni grad who didn't get the funding for their pet history/geology/art/social science/physics/chemistry  research proposal. If the fcus is about motivating the teacher, providing quality education for children, defining the a method for the equal and transparent distribution of Fed. Gov. funding to all schools - no matter whether they are religious or public, then it behoves the Gov. to  announce the TOTAL annual Fed. Gov. funding allocation for pre/pri/sec/teriary schooling and then distribute this amount equally amongst the total number of students.

It will also remove the pork-barreling by the Fed Gov when it comes to schools as if this is the ONLY means by which the gov. of the day can provide Fed. Gov. funding then it will be transparent if any move is made to go outside this formulae.

 There is no other fairer method, and if there is - then aside from party politcal rhetoric -  I'd be extremely interested in hearing about the benefits of other known funding models that will deliver equity and transparency in government funding.

Aside from the above benefits - one thing you can be sure of - no principle will be happy about sitting in the top post with dwindling numbers at their school if it relates to sexist or religious persecution mysoginism or other primitive attitudes of elitist behaviour.

Happy to have my ideas criticised.


Apologies for dropped spelling  - this keyboard is sheit. I need to get a new one.