COME January, thousands of teenage mothers will have to do finish Year 12, go to TAFE or lose their welfare payments.

Young mums in NSW suburbs Bankstown, Wyong and Shellharbour will be among the first in Australia forced to take part in a federal government trial of 10 disadvantaged areas that will strip them of their benefits if they don't finish Year 12.

About 11,000 teenage parents receive a parenting payment worth up to $641 a fortnight and 90 per cent of them have not completed Year 12.

Under the government's welfare crackdown, teenage parents will be required to attend six-monthly interviews with Centrelink once their baby is six months old and, on the child's first birthday, will have to have a plan for completion of school.

Tessa Cave was in Year 11 when she learned she was pregnant to a fellow student.

He wanted nothing to do with the pregnancy and when the ridicule became too much, Ms Cave quit school.

Now she receives a parenting payment but because she lives in another suburb, Lane Cove, with her mother, will escape the government's trial, passed in parliament last week.

Son Zavier is almost two, but although the 19-year-old never went back to school, she is studying nursing at TAFE.

"Abortion and adoption were never options for me," Ms Cave said.

"My mum had a hereditary condition where she wasn't actually able to have children, but I was a miracle child. And I don't think I would have been able to cope with knowing that someone else had my baby."

After giving birth, Tessa Cave suffered from post-natal depression and her younger brother copped flak from his mates, which only added to her distress. "He burst into tears one night, saying it wasn't his decision to have a baby but he was being punished for it," she said.

While Ms Cave loves being a mum, she said her life has changed in "a million ways" she never expected and urged young girls to wait to start a family.

"I wish sometimes I could just be a young girl and not a young mum,'' she said.

Last week, Ms Cave graduated from Raise Foundation's Bump, a not-for-profit mentoring program for young  often teenage mothers.

"I wish I could go out and party with my friends and not have to worry about waking up at 6am with my baby,'' she said. "I lost friends because I was pregnant. I lost friends after I gave birth, I can't just spend the time... Don't have a baby. Go out and live your life, get a job, have a career, find someone you really love, spend your life having fun and settle down with someone you really want to be with and then, only then, start a family.''

Raise Foundation founder and director Vicki Condon said the government's trial will only succeed if funding is granted to not-for-profit organisations like hers to help young parents find work or enrol in study.

The program will begin next year in 10 locations across Australia including Bankstown, Wyong and Shellharbour for 4000 teen parents aged under 19 with a youngest child less than six years old.

"We totally agree with the need for young mums to get back to work, but the girls need a lot of help to do that,'' Ms Condon said.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/top-stories/teen-mothers-told-take-your-hsc-go-to-tafe-or-lose-your-welfare-payment/story-e6frfkp9-1226207358219#ixzz1ewFaOiWv

Can they do year 12 externally? It would be much easier than having to find baby sitters and the extra problems associated with having to attend school.  Most teenagers would have a computer at home.

It's a good idea as long as they don't expect to get a job out of it. I know uni graduates who work in Macca's. The areas mentioned are very high unemployment areas.

EENAGE mums who refuse to return to school or enter job training will lose their parenting payments.   :-?

The "tough love" scheme, to be included in Tuesday's Budget, is aimed at ending welfare dependency that leaves many without work skills when their children grow older. Under the trial program, teen parents with a child aged six months or older will be required to go back to school to finish Year 12 or undertake a TAFE course or have their payments suspended.

A "participation plan" would be drawn up with Centrelink for mandatory activities such as work experience, study or part-time work.

The mothers would be given access to existing childcare assistance but, if they failed to attend classses or meet the requirements without a reasonable excuse, their payments would be suspended.


A trial program will be rolled out in 10 regions across the country, including three in NSW and western Sydney, from January next year.

The Government, aware that John Howard lost seats on the back of welfare reforms aimed at putting single parents back to work, will be at pains to point out that its scheme is targeting only teenage parents - single or partnered - and is pitched at lifting them out of the poverty trap.

Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition leader Tony Abbott have been locked in a welfare war since Mr Abbott announced he would force all long-term unemployed and under-50s to work for the dole.  :(

There are 11,000 teen mothers nationally - 3269 in NSW - who receive parenting payments. But at present they are not required to engage in welfare-to-work programs until the child is six years old.

But with more than 80 per cent of teenage parents receiving parenting payments not having finished Year 12, they are less likely to be able to find work at all when they reach their early 20s and the parenting payment cuts out.

Ms Gillard recently flagged welfare reform at a Sydney Institute Speech in which she said greater incentives to work would underpin the Government's policy reforms.

"I want young people to have a fair go," she said.

I think it's time all kids at school learned about condoms -
it would make life easier for everyone.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:40am:

I think it's time all kids at school learned about condoms - it would make life easier for everyone.

I thought they already did??

We started getting 'Personal Development' classes in 1975....

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:42am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:40am: I think it's time all kids at school learned about condoms - it would make life easier for everyone. I thought they already did?? We started getting 'Personal Development' classes in 1975....

Well obviously the message didn't get through.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:44am:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:42am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:40am: I think it's time all kids at school learned about condoms - it would make life easier for everyone. I thought they already did?? We started getting 'Personal Development' classes in 1975.... Well obviously the message didn't get through.

Yes, that's true...

Of course teenagers do tend to think they invented sex.....and are also usually fairly stubborn about being told (advised) not to do something....

Witness the smoking, drinking and speeding stats....Teens tend to think 'it'll never happen to me'.....

QUOTE: - "Prime Minister Julia Gillard and Opposition leader Tony Abbott have been locked in a welfare war since Mr Abbott announced he would force all long-term unemployed and under-50s to work for the dole."


How utterly deplorable that these maggots continue to use the unemployed
as political footballs.

You can't get jobs that don't exist.

And good luck finding enough MEANINGFUL work to put everyone on WfD.

IT'S not there, either.

And how about putting a TRAINING component into WfD? No point forcing
people to do it if there's no point to it but to punish them.

Talk about a 'Race to the Bottom'.

That's EXACTLY what these policies are all about....PUNISHMENT!


**BTW, I have NO issue with ENCOURAGING the young to stay at school/ go
to TAFE, but to make it a condition of getting welfare is truly reprehensible.**


**Cue the usual "get a job' rants...**

wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:28am:

EENAGE mums who refuse to return to school or enter job training will lose their parenting payments.   :-?

I have no problem with this but like I always say to young mums who don't want to work: buy and wear a burqa to every job interview. There is a 99.9% chance that they won't get the job. Upon returning home after the interview take off the burqa and renounce your religion until the next interview of course  ;) ;) ;).

salad in wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:41am:

wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:28am: EENAGE mums who refuse to return to school or enter job training will lose their parenting payments.   :-? I have no problem with this but like I always say to young mums who don't want to work: buy and wear a burqa to every job interview. There is a 99.9% chance that they won't get the job. Upon returning home after the interview take off the burqa and renounce your religion until the next interview of course  ;) ;) ;).

Or alternatively they could put some dark tanning solution on, or get a wrinkle mask.

Dark skinned people and people over 45 don't get jobs.....or even interviews for that matter.

I always blame the racially and aged challenged employees/job agents/media/government manipulation for that.

It is NEVER the fault of the jobless.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 8:34am:

salad in wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 7:41am: wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:28am: EENAGE mums who refuse to return to school or enter job training will lose their parenting payments.   :-? I have no problem with this but like I always say to young mums who don't want to work: buy and wear a burqa to every job interview. There is a 99.9% chance that they won't get the job. Upon returning home after the interview take off the burqa and renounce your religion until the next interview of course  ;) ;) ;). Or alternatively they could put some dark tanning solution on, or get a wrinkle mask. Dark skinned people and people over 45 don't get jobs.....or even interviews for that matter. I always blame the racially and aged challenged employees/job agents/media/government manipulation for that. It is NEVER the fault of the jobless.

I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  :(

And what if they don't pass year 12 what are these evil sons of Hitler and Stalin going to do then?  Start around of compulsory child theft And sterilization?  The funny thing is  the people coming up with this crap never worked a day in their lives.

I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  

Viable point grey, maybe study part-time (voluntary - never forced) over two years because they need to be with their kids. Being a mum is a full time job as you say and we don't want to put stress on families, especially the young mums who don't have family support.

Another generation of latch-key kids is not the answer.

Kat wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:18am:

**BTW, I have NO issue with ENCOURAGING the young to stay at school/ go to TAFE, but to make it a condition of getting welfare is truly reprehensible.** **Cue the usual "get a job' rants...**

Why is it reprehensible?

I'm very interested in this topic, not only because I work in welfare, but also because I was a 16 year old mum with an 8th grade education once upon a time, only to become an 18 year old mum of two with an 8th grade education and finally to become a 20 year old single mum with an 8th grade education escaping violence.

Grey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 9:24am:

I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  :(

What job would a sixteen year old mother with an 8th grade education have... and then need further training within?

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 1:39pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 9:24am: I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  :( What job would a sixteen year old mother with an 8th grade education have... and then need further training within?

He meant that looking after a baby/child is a full time job. Some young mums could do with some extra tuition in bringing up baby.

No reflection on the single mums, they do their best which is usually damn good considering their predicament.

While the principle is sound, the reality is that many of these girls will be incapable and/or uninterested in completing year 12. Some sort of vocational training would be a better idea for those that have no interest in continuing formal schooling.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 2:46pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 1:39pm: Grey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 9:24am: I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  :( What job would a sixteen year old mother with an 8th grade education have... and then need further training within? He meant that looking after a baby/child is a full time job. Some young mums could do with some extra tuition in bringing up baby. No reflection on the single mums, they do their best which is usually damn good considering their predicament.

Oh ok... so society should maintain the generational habit of uneducated poverty.

Belgarion wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 2:56pm:

While the principle is sound, the reality is that many of these girls will be incapable and/or uninterested in completing year 12. Some sort of vocational training would be a better idea for those that have no interest in continuing formal schooling.

I do believe that it is year 12 or the equivalent (i.e. Certificate III)

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 3:37pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 2:46pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 1:39pm: Grey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 9:24am: I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  :( What job would a sixteen year old mother with an 8th grade education have... and then need further training within? He meant that looking after a baby/child is a full time job. Some young mums could do with some extra tuition in bringing up baby. No reflection on the single mums, they do their best which is usually damn good considering their predicament. Oh ok... so society should maintain the generational habit of uneducated poverty.

Poverty isn't just caused by lack of education or motivation.

That's where the Govt (and oppn) and many of the public get it so bloody WRONG!

Not that they actually care.....jut so long as they get THEIR
slice of the welfare pie, who cares about those in genuine NEED?

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:56am:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:44am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:42am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:40am: I think it's time all kids at school learned about condoms - it would make life easier for everyone. I thought they already did?? We started getting 'Personal Development' classes in 1975.... Well obviously the message didn't get through. Yes, that's true... Of course teenagers do tend to think they invented sex.....and are also usually fairly stubborn about being told (advised) not to do something.... Witness the smoking, drinking and speeding stats....Teens tend to think 'it'll never happen to me'.....

Girls need to be told that if a boy puts it in they will get pregnant.

Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor.

There's nothing wrong with having teenage mums work or study part time in a setting that's baby friendly so that they have skills when they're finally ready to join the workforce.

There is something wrong with forcing people who don't belong in Capitalism to be exploited by capitalism. These single mums should have the opportunity to work for a cause and in industry that benefits them and there own kind.  History tells us that capitalism needs hard workers to work to death so the corporate welfare class can have an easy life.  This is not honorable labor - it is an abomination.  Most decent civilized people are not capitalists at heart and they should not be forced to slave for those cut throat evil parasites.  A single mother probably has a lot to offer but she will never be rewarded in a capitalist enterprise - they are only interested in exploiting her and working her to death.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor.

Maybe the socialist paradises of china, north korea or cuba would be more to your liking. Im sure we capitalists could muster a few sheckles to assit you in your quest to live in an anti-capitalist utopia.

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:35pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. Maybe the socialist paradises of china, north korea or cuba would be more to your liking. Im sure we capitalists could muster a few sheckles to assit you in your quest to live in an anti-capitalist utopia.

Just hand us back the social enterprises the thieving capitalist class stole and still expect the tax payer to support.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

There is something wrong with forcing people who don't belong in Capitalism to be exploited by capitalism. These single mums should have the opportunity to work for a cause and in industry that benefits them and there own kind.  History tells us that capitalism needs hard workers to work to death so the corporate welfare class can have an easy life.  This is not honorable labor - it is an abomination.  Most decent civilized people are not capitalists at heart and they should not be forced to slave for those cut throat evil parasites.  A single mother probably has a lot to offer but she will never be rewarded in a capitalist enterprise - they are only interested in exploiting her and working her to death.

Are you a woman?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:43pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 4:34pm: There is something wrong with forcing people who don't belong in Capitalism to be exploited by capitalism. These single mums should have the opportunity to work for a cause and in industry that benefits them and there own kind.  History tells us that capitalism needs hard workers to work to death so the corporate welfare class can have an easy life.  This is not honorable labor - it is an abomination.  Most decent civilized people are not capitalists at heart and they should not be forced to slave for those cut throat evil parasites.  A single mother probably has a lot to offer but she will never be rewarded in a capitalist enterprise - they are only interested in exploiting her and working her to death. Are you a woman?

Shut up - just shut up unless you have something intelligent to ask - are you a woman?  Jeesus.

I'll take that as a no.

By suggesting single mothers shouldn't work in a society like ours, you are disempowering them. Women should be encouraged to become independent, and whether you like it or not, for most women that means financial security through working.

And just a tip. Your rude little displays of arrogance do absolutely nothing for your cause.  You won't be taken seriously until you grow up a bit - it's very obvious that you're quite young.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:56pm:

I'll take that as a no. By suggesting single mothers shouldn't work in a society like ours, you are disempowering them. Women should be encouraged to become independent, and whether you like it or not, for most women that means financial security through working. And just a tip. Your rude little displays of arrogance do absolutely nothing for your cause.  You won't be taken seriously until you grow up a bit - it's very obvious that you're quite young.

You are also a freaking liar as well as stupid - stop putting words in my mouth and p!ss off

Is that a tantrum?

Do you need a nap?

Kat wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 3:56pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 2:46pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 1:39pm: Grey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 9:24am: I'd rather they got good training in the full time job they already have.  :( What job would a sixteen year old mother with an 8th grade education have... and then need further training within? He meant that looking after a baby/child is a full time job. Some young mums could do with some extra tuition in bringing up baby. No reflection on the single mums, they do their best which is usually damn good considering their predicament. Oh ok... so society should maintain the generational habit of uneducated poverty. Poverty isn't just caused by lack of education or motivation.

Nobody said it was. Then again, nobody was talking about poverty in general were they?

Nonetheless, generational welfare is a reality that is born of a limited education and a sense of helplessness which the governments since the time of Whitlam have allowed.... indeed, it could be said, they have forced onto unsuspecting families and young people.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:

Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor.

If someone feels so strongly about capitalism that they want to opt out, they don't need to use tax receipts born of capitalism to do that do they? Surely they could find another means of income support that is socialist friendly. The Barter Community is strong in this country.

As I've stated previously, I have some reservations about this - but only if it is implemented badly, without appropriate levels of childcare, counseling and other practical support...

Me too, Eq. It could work out very well, but could anything be implemented without young girls falling through the cracks and ending up with no money for food? It's a dilemma.

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corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:34pm:

There is something wrong with forcing people who don't belong in Capitalism to be exploited by capitalism. These single mums should have the opportunity to work for a cause and in industry that benefits them and there own kind.

Who says that they don't belong to Capitalism aside from you that is. I hear no cries against Capitalism from single mothers. I do hear cries against the government for making it so damned difficult for single mum's to engage Capitalism.


Quote:

History tells us that capitalism needs hard workers to work to death so the corporate welfare class can have an easy life.

Oh yea of little knowledge. Working to death is a social condition that existed before the constructs of Capitalism.


Quote:

This is not honorable labor - it is an abomination.  Most decent civilized people are not capitalists at heart and they should not be forced to slave for those cut throat evil parasites.

Iff decent civilized people are not capitalists at heart, then there can't be that many of them, because Capitalism thrives.


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A single mother probably has a lot to offer but she will never be rewarded in a capitalist enterprise - they are only interested in exploiting her and working her to death.

Nay saying in broad terms serves no purpose... particularly given that many single parents are being rewarded in a capitalist work place that supports work/life balance.

the only difference it makes is that its harder to get even a crap low skilled job without a high school degree when you get older. finishing year 12 other than that gives you no advantages at all if you dont intend to go to university (and theres a billion non-high school pathways to get into any uni you want anyway).

bachelors degrees will be the next high school certificates, jsut you watch. year 12 if it hasnt already will be upgraded to equivalent of year 10 as universities try to herd more retards in their gates.

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:07pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. If someone feels so strongly about capitalism that they want to opt out, they don't need to use tax receipts born of capitalism to do that do they? Surely they could find another means of income support that is socialist friendly. The Barter Community is strong in this country.

Our economy is the tax economy which comes from our labor which the capitalist class feels so entitled to exploit.  All we are saying is tax paying workers should not have to work for shareholder capitalism.  we should have the right not to have our labour benefit capitalism, we should have the right not to have our bills collected by capitalists and the right not to have our taxes used to bail out and benefit the capitalist class.  Our labor and taxes should go towards job and wealth creation for our social class.  A lot of people are not evil lowlife capitalist scumbags who pack hunt the weakest link for personal profit and should not be forced against our will into slavery.

The thing is Capitalist parasites cant do without hard workers to work to death and cant do without their taxes and debt.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:15pm:

Me too, Eq. It could work out very well, but could anything be implemented without young girls falling through the cracks and ending up with no money for food? It's a dilemma.

Most single parents on welfare are entitled to a 100% rebate, or near to that, for child care. That means they do not pay, or pay very little child care up front.

Places for child care should not be a problem within the TAFE system that has, in most cases, Child Care on site. The Policy would have to make additional spaces available to cater for the increased demand.

The real problem then is... where are these additional child care spaces to come from? Child Care as a career is woefully paid and results in revolving door employment (high youth employment which is often short term) which is not good for societies children.

For this Policy to really work, Child Carers need to be paid more for the role they play in raising the next generation of citizens.

bobbigege wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:27pm:

the only difference it makes is that its harder to get even a crap low skilled job without a high school degree when you get older. finishing year 12 other than that gives you no advantages at all if you dont intend to go to university (and theres a billion non-high school pathways to get into any uni you want anyway). bachelors degrees will be the next high school certificates, jsut you watch. year 12 if it hasnt already will be upgraded to equivalent of year 10 as universities try to herd more retards in their gates.

The credentialization of society is definitely a problem and worthy of it's own thread.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:28pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:07pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. If someone feels so strongly about capitalism that they want to opt out, they don't need to use tax receipts born of capitalism to do that do they? Surely they could find another means of income support that is socialist friendly. The Barter Community is strong in this country. Our economy is the tax economy which comes from our labor which the capitalist class feels so entitled to exploit.  All we are saying is tax paying workers should not have to work for shareholder capitalism.  we should have the right not to have our labour benefit capitalism, we should have the right not to have our bills collected by capitalists and the right not to have our taxes used to bail out and benefit the capitalist class.  Our labor and taxes should go towards job and wealth creation for our social class.  A lot of people are not evil lowlife capitalist scumbags who pack hunt the weakest link for personal profit and should not be forced against our will into slavery. The thing is Capitalist parasites cant do without hard workers to work to death and cant do without their taxes and debt.

What does this rant have to do with the topic at hand?

Belgarion wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:39pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:28pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:07pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. If someone feels so strongly about capitalism that they want to opt out, they don't need to use tax receipts born of capitalism to do that do they? Surely they could find another means of income support that is socialist friendly. The Barter Community is strong in this country. Our economy is the tax economy which comes from our labor which the capitalist class feels so entitled to exploit.  All we are saying is tax paying workers should not have to work for shareholder capitalism.  we should have the right not to have our labour benefit capitalism, we should have the right not to have our bills collected by capitalists and the right not to have our taxes used to bail out and benefit the capitalist class.  Our labor and taxes should go towards job and wealth creation for our social class.  A lot of people are not evil lowlife capitalist scumbags who pack hunt the weakest link for personal profit and should not be forced against our will into slavery. The thing is Capitalist parasites cant do without hard workers to work to death and cant do without their taxes and debt. What does this rant have to do with the topic at hand?

P!ss off it has everything to do with it - single mothers should not be economically persecuted and exploited by shareholder capitalism.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:53pm:

Belgarion wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:39pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:28pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:07pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. If someone feels so strongly about capitalism that they want to opt out, they don't need to use tax receipts born of capitalism to do that do they? Surely they could find another means of income support that is socialist friendly. The Barter Community is strong in this country. Our economy is the tax economy which comes from our labor which the capitalist class feels so entitled to exploit.  All we are saying is tax paying workers should not have to work for shareholder capitalism.  we should have the right not to have our labour benefit capitalism, we should have the right not to have our bills collected by capitalists and the right not to have our taxes used to bail out and benefit the capitalist class.  Our labor and taxes should go towards job and wealth creation for our social class.  A lot of people are not evil lowlife capitalist scumbags who pack hunt the weakest link for personal profit and should not be forced against our will into slavery. The thing is Capitalist parasites cant do without hard workers to work to death and cant do without their taxes and debt. What does this rant have to do with the topic at hand? P!ss off it has everything to do with it - single mothers should not be economically persecuted and exploited by shareholder capitalism.

"Who says that they don't belong to Capitalism aside from you that is. I hear no cries against Capitalism from single mothers. I do hear cries against the government for making it so damned difficult for single mum's to engage Capitalism."

Just repeating myself since CW chose to ignore it and rattle on again as though single mothers want nothing to do with Capitalism.  

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:59pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:53pm: Belgarion wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:39pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:28pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:07pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. If someone feels so strongly about capitalism that they want to opt out, they don't need to use tax receipts born of capitalism to do that do they? Surely they could find another means of income support that is socialist friendly. The Barter Community is strong in this country. Our economy is the tax economy which comes from our labor which the capitalist class feels so entitled to exploit.  All we are saying is tax paying workers should not have to work for shareholder capitalism.  we should have the right not to have our labour benefit capitalism, we should have the right not to have our bills collected by capitalists and the right not to have our taxes used to bail out and benefit the capitalist class.  Our labor and taxes should go towards job and wealth creation for our social class.  A lot of people are not evil lowlife capitalist scumbags who pack hunt the weakest link for personal profit and should not be forced against our will into slavery. The thing is Capitalist parasites cant do without hard workers to work to death and cant do without their taxes and debt. What does this rant have to do with the topic at hand? P!ss off it has everything to do with it - single mothers should not be economically persecuted and exploited by shareholder capitalism. "Who says that they don't belong to Capitalism aside from you that is. I hear no cries against Capitalism from single mothers. I do hear cries against the government for making it so damned difficult for single mum's to engage Capitalism." Just repeating myself since CW chose to ignore it and rattle on again as though single mothers want nothing to do with Capitalism.

Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:27pm:

Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL.

What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism?

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:30pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:27pm: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL. What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism?

Not being worked and flogged to an early penniless death by evil bloodsucking lowlife capitalists.

bobbigege wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 5:27pm:

the only difference it makes is that its harder to get even a crap low skilled job without a high school degree when you get older. finishing year 12 other than that gives you no advantages at all if you dont intend to go to university (and theres a billion non-high school pathways to get into any uni you want anyway). bachelors degrees will be the next high school certificates, jsut you watch. year 12 if it hasnt already will be upgraded to equivalent of year 10 as universities try to herd more retards in their gates.

Absolutely correcto! it's already happening in the US and as we are the 51st state, we will follow.

They are already filtering the uni system into high school, doing first year uni and year 12 combined.

Education is good, but I think by forcing everyone to go to higher levels than they would want to if left to their own devices, the standard gets pushed lower.

Some people are just not studious, so there is no reason to force them to go on at school or uni. It's like forcing someone to do sport, unless they want to it's not going to work.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:32pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:30pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:27pm: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL. What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism? Not being worked and flogged to an early penniless death by evil bloodsucking lowlife capitalists.

Much better to be worked and flogged to an early penniless death by the evil bloodsucking lowlifes in a feudal system yes?

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:42pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:32pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:30pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:27pm: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL. What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism? Not being worked and flogged to an early penniless death by evil bloodsucking lowlife capitalists. Much better to be worked and flogged to an early penniless death by the evil bloodsucking lowlifes in a feudal system yes?

There's a difference?  Are you attempting humor?

Whitey,

Quote:

Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.

Pure capitalism wouldn't support solo mothers.
We have more of a communist system.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:52pm:

Whitey, Quote: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all. Pure capitalism wouldn't support solo mothers. We have more of a communist system.

Purity and capitalism is a strange combination.  Society can do without shareholder capitalists, but shareholder capitalists cannot do without hard workers to flog to an early penniless death so that the `1% can be rich.  A civil society shares.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:52pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:42pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:32pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:30pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:27pm: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL. What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism? Not being worked and flogged to an early penniless death by evil bloodsucking lowlife capitalists. Much better to be worked and flogged to an early penniless death by the evil bloodsucking lowlifes in a feudal system yes? There's a difference?  Are you attempting humor?

No... no humour... but you are right... there is a difference. Which would you rather work under?

Or are you suggesting that there is some other system of the non capitalist past under which our common or garden jane doe could work to death more peacefully than she would under capitalism? If so, speak up...

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:52pm: Whitey, Quote: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all. Pure capitalism wouldn't support solo mothers. We have more of a communist system. Purity and capitalism is a strange combination.  Society can do without shareholder capitalists, but shareholder capitalists cannot do without hard workers to flog to an early penniless death so that the `1% can be rich.  A civil society shares.

Whitey - you have replied to me but said nothing about solo mothers -
instead it's a lunatic sounding rave about shares -
are you on drugs or maybe you're drunk?

Sappho wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:13pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:52pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:42pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:32pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:30pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:27pm: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL. What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism? Not being worked and flogged to an early penniless death by evil bloodsucking lowlife capitalists. Much better to be worked and flogged to an early penniless death by the evil bloodsucking lowlifes in a feudal system yes? There's a difference?  Are you attempting humor? No... no humour... but you are right... there is a difference. Which would you rather work under? Or are you suggesting that there is some other system of the non capitalist past under which our common or garden jane doe could work to death more peacefully than she would under capitalism? If so, speak up...

Yes, abolish the shareholder capitalist class.

TONY Abbott has declared only the "right kids" should stay at school beyond year 10, saying the rest could be wasting their time.   :-?

The Opposition Leader said he had doubts about a federal government incentive scheme to get more teenagers to stay in school.

“The other point I want to make is that it's all very well keeping kids at school past year 10 but they've got to be the right kids being kept at school past year 10,” he told radio 2UE.   :-?

“A lot of kids would probably be better off in the long run leaving school at year 10 and getting an apprenticeship.”

Under the new incentive scheme, parents can qualify for extra family payments - worth an average of $4000 - if their children stay on to finish year 12.

Mr Abbott said many young people would do better outside the mainstream education in specialist technical schools - a point argued by the former Howard government.


He said he was “far from confident” about the federal government's ability to ensure the widespread availability of school-based apprenticeships.

“I mean, one of the great initiatives of the Howard government was to try to foster these school-based apprenticeships to try to get back to a considerable extent towards, if you like, technical high schools,” he said.

“And I guess I'd want to carefully study this and make sure that the right kids are getting the money and that we really were keeping the right kids at school, because if you've got the wrong kids at school it can end up like a glorified occupational therapy, basically.”

Families Minister Jenny Macklin said Mr Abbott, who had previously supported the education tax bonus, wanted to take money from the pockets of families.   :(

“He is saying that only certain children, only the `right' sort of children, should stay on in secondary school and other children should go out to work.

“Mr Abbott really needs to explain ... which of these teenagers don't deserve support.”

The incentive plan, promised at the 2010 election, will reward parents of 16 to 19-year-olds if their children stay at school until year 12.

Payments, to start on January 1, will be delivered through an income-tested boost to Family Tax Benefit A.

Students would have to stay in full-time secondary school study or a vocational equivalent such as a TAFE course.


Comments on this story

   J of Perth Posted at 4:08 PM Today

       What is this guy thinking? Perhaps he is good example of access to education being wasted on some people. He only needs to mostly keep his ideas to himself for a couple of years, keep attacking the other mob, and he is a sure thing to lead the next government. Tony, this is dumb on so many levels. If people want to finsh school you definately should if they don't, then don't (but be prepared to compete for the better jobs with people who have higher education levels). Simple.   :(

   Graham of Fremantle Posted at 4:02 PM Today

       By the end of primary school children should be able to read, write and do arithmetic (add, subtract, multiply, divide, fractions). Very few jobs actually require more than this, and I say this as someone who has undertaken a mechanical apprenticeship, run a retail store, completed an engineering degree and contemplated a PhD. When I started my apprenticeship in 1980 competition meant that companies were starting to look at students who had completed year 11 (which I had) rather than just year 10 yet I don't recall needing any of the knowledge I had gained in year 11 during my apprenticeship.   :(

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:17pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:52pm: Whitey, Quote: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all. Pure capitalism wouldn't support solo mothers. We have more of a communist system. Purity and capitalism is a strange combination.  Society can do without shareholder capitalists, but shareholder capitalists cannot do without hard workers to flog to an early penniless death so that the `1% can be rich.  A civil society shares. Whitey - you have replied to me but said nothing about solo mothers - instead it's a lunatic sounding rave about shares - are you on drugs or maybe you're drunk?

Your rudeness, misrepresentations, classism and threats do not impress me bobbythebat1.  When you have something substantive to add as to why shareholder capitalists are more worthy of the support of hard working people than single mothers with a child come and let me know - till then, shareholder capitalists are just evil unnecessary parasites trying to minimize the share of the pie for the majority and flog people to death for their own benefit.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:19pm:

Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 7:13pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:52pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:42pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:32pm: Sappho wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:30pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:27pm: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all.  Shareholder capitalism thinks it owns us, it works hard working people to death for no reward.  Single mothers have a Child to care for, they can't be carrying bloodsucking lowlife evil greedy shareholder capitalists AS WELL. What rewards were there for the average jane doe prior to capitalism? Not being worked and flogged to an early penniless death by evil bloodsucking lowlife capitalists. Much better to be worked and flogged to an early penniless death by the evil bloodsucking lowlifes in a feudal system yes? There's a difference?  Are you attempting humor? No... no humour... but you are right... there is a difference. Which would you rather work under? Or are you suggesting that there is some other system of the non capitalist past under which our common or garden jane doe could work to death more peacefully than she would under capitalism? If so, speak up... Yes, abolish the shareholder capitalist class.

So there is no past era in all the human history that gives to the ordinary folk a better quality of living than shareholder capitalism does eh?

Thought as much.

Now... on to the next point. Are you suggesting that by removing the share holder component of capitalism, you make the working world of our common or garden variety of jane doe a better working place in which to live?

Yes you are... but you don't say how that would be possible. Surely you must have reasons to support your claims.  

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 7:25pm:

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 7:17pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:58pm: Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:52pm: Whitey, Quote: Nobody wants to be a slave of shareholder capitalists - single mothers and hard workers most of all. Pure capitalism wouldn't support solo mothers. We have more of a communist system. Purity and capitalism is a strange combination.  Society can do without shareholder capitalists, but shareholder capitalists cannot do without hard workers to flog to an early penniless death so that the `1% can be rich.  A civil society shares. Whitey - you have replied to me but said nothing about solo mothers - instead it's a lunatic sounding rave about shares - are you on drugs or maybe you're drunk? Your rudeness, misrepresentations, classism and threats do not impress me bobbythebat1.  When you have something substantive to add as to why shareholder capitalists are more worthy of the support of hard working people than single mothers with a child come and let me know - till then, shareholder capitalists are just evil unnecessary parasites trying to minimize the share of the pie for the majority and flog people to death for their own benefit.

Still sounds like raving.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 6:37pm:

bobbigege wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 5:27pm: the only difference it makes is that its harder to get even a crap low skilled job without a high school degree when you get older. finishing year 12 other than that gives you no advantages at all if you dont intend to go to university (and theres a billion non-high school pathways to get into any uni you want anyway). bachelors degrees will be the next high school certificates, jsut you watch. year 12 if it hasnt already will be upgraded to equivalent of year 10 as universities try to herd more retards in their gates. Absolutely correcto! it's already happening in the US and as we are the 51st state, we will follow. They are already filtering the uni system into high school, doing first year uni and year 12 combined. Education is good, but I think by forcing everyone to go to higher levels than they would want to if left to their own devices, the standard gets pushed lower. Some people are just not studious, so there is no reason to force them to go on at school or uni. It's like forcing someone to do sport, unless they want to it's not going to work.

Yes, this is correct. I'm old enough  to remember when a School Certificate was the main qualification to get a person into almost any field they wanted. HSC was for those intending to study at university. Unfortunately successive governments have pushed the idea the an HSC is the basic requirement for all students. This fallacy, AFIK introduced to solve a perceived problem in youth unemployment by keeping them at school for two more years, has created more problems than it has solved.

Not only that - all Uni. degrees have been dumbed down.

Bobby. wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 3:58pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:56am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:44am: gizmo_2655 wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:42am: Bobby. wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 6:40am: I think it's time all kids at school learned about condoms - it would make life easier for everyone. I thought they already did?? We started getting 'Personal Development' classes in 1975.... Well obviously the message didn't get through. Yes, that's true... Of course teenagers do tend to think they invented sex.....and are also usually fairly stubborn about being told (advised) not to do something.... Witness the smoking, drinking and speeding stats....Teens tend to think 'it'll never happen to me'..... Girls need to be told that if a boy puts it in they will get pregnant.

Telling them is one thing, getting them to believe it is another...

And it's more 'will eventually get pregnant'...

The whole proposition is demeaning and sexist to women - the value of the work these women do raising their children is immeasurable and they have enough on their plate without carrying capitalist shareholder parasites as well.  A civilized society would not entertain supporting that organised gang of thugs and pirates.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28^th, 2011 at 4:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 4:35pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. Maybe the socialist paradises of china, north korea or cuba would be more to your liking. Im sure we capitalists could muster a few sheckles to assit you in your quest to live in an anti-capitalist utopia. Just hand us back the social enterprises the thieving capitalist class stole and still expect the tax payer to support.

And what would these 'socialist enterprises' be exactly?

You seem to be heavy on platitudes and dogma, but a bit light on actual facts. Name one semi autonomous collective industry born of the socialist ideology, develped by the down trodden worker and then usurped by the greedy capitalists.

Like I said, we would be more than happy to give you a one way trip to a socialist utopia you so desperately crave; so which will it be?

I might suggest north korea and the pinnacle of socialist endevour.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 4:54am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 4:39pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 4:35pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 28th, 2011 at 3:59pm: Single parents should not have to work in the private market - those of us who hate capitalism should have the right to socialism and social industry. it burns me every dollar i have to spend on a bill that enriches a capitalist investor. Maybe the socialist paradises of china, north korea or cuba would be more to your liking. Im sure we capitalists could muster a few sheckles to assit you in your quest to live in an anti-capitalist utopia. Just hand us back the social enterprises the thieving capitalist class stole and still expect the tax payer to support. And what would these 'socialist enterprises' be exactly? You seem to be heavy on platitudes and dogma, but a bit light on actual facts. Name one semi autonomous collective industry born of the socialist ideology, develped by the down trodden worker and then usurped by the greedy capitalists. Like I said, we would be more than happy to give you a one way trip to a socialist utopia you so desperately crave; so which will it be? I might suggest north korea and the pinnacle of socialist endevour.  ;D

Organised corporate greed and corruption - aka organised shareholder capitalist thugs, aka the Mafia stole our assets, our freedom and our lives.  We should abolish them.

you keep ranting on about North Korea, but the Organised Investor class are North Korea, they flog hard working australians to death and don't pay them.

<<Organised corporate greed and corruption - aka organised shareholder capitalist thugs, aka the Mafia stole our assets, our freedom and our lives.  We should abolish them>>
...................................................................

Have you seen what's happening in Europe, America and the UK?  Capitalism aka corporate greed and corruption is on the cliffs edge, just about to topple over, never to be seen again for a long long time.

The powers to be are at their wits end trying to hang onto the system that is broken beyond repair. They are going at each others throats in the panic that is taking over from common sense (if ever they had any in the first place).

They continue to blame each other when they were all in on it together. They know they are finished, but they won't give up, the captains of capitalism will go down with the ship, after much blood shed because the king boar will fight to the death because he wants to take the little pigs with him.

They won't be remembered as heroes, their names will be dirt in the eyes of future generations. They will be the ones who took us too close to total destruction. They are the enemy.

It will be a long, dark tunnel that we must travel through after the sinking of the capitalist Titanic, but we will emerge as a strong and caring people, without the constant strain of having to lug the capitalist pig on our backs.

THIS CAPITALIST PIG IS ON THE ROASTING RACK!

http://impeachthem.com/files/images/capitalist_pig1_1.jpg

As the Gillard Government starts a campaign to encourage kids to complete a high standard of education, Tony Abbott is telling the "dumb" ones they're wasting their time ...



Tony Abbott says only the 'right' kids should stay at school after year 10
Ben Packham
November 28, 2011

TONY Abbott has declared only the "right kids" should stay at school beyond year 10, saying the rest could be wasting their time.
The Opposition Leader said he had doubts about a federal government incentive scheme to get more teenagers to stay in school.

“The other point I want to make is that it's all very well keeping kids at school past year 10 but they've got to be the right kids being kept at school past year 10,” he told radio 2UE.

Under the new incentive scheme, parents can qualify for extra family payments - worth an average of $4000 - if their children stay on to finish year 12.

Mr Abbott said many young people would do better outside the mainstream education in specialist technical schools - a point argued by the former Howard government.

"I guess I'd want to carefully study this and make sure that the right kids are getting the money and that we really were keeping the right kids at school, because if you've got the wrong kids at school it can end up like a glorified occupational therapy, basically”

Families Minister Jenny Macklin said Mr Abbott, who had previously supported the education tax bonus, wanted to take money from the pockets of families.

“He is saying that only certain children, only the `right' sort of children, should stay on in secondary school and other children should go out to work.

“Mr Abbott really needs to explain ... which of these teenagers don't deserve support.”

The incentive plan, promised at the 2010 election, will reward parents of 16 to 19-year-olds if their children stay at school until year 12.

Payments, to start on January 1, will be delivered through an income-tested boost to Family Tax Benefit A.

Students would have to stay in full-time secondary school study or a vocational equivalent such as a TAFE course.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/tony-abbott-says-only-the-right-kids-should-stay-at-school-after-year-10/story-fn59nlz9-1226207999721

Perhaps Rhodes scholar Tony Abbott didn't get enough of the 'right' education to fully understand this bit: -


buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 8:19am:

Students would have to stay in full-time secondary school study or a vocational equivalent such as a TAFE course. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/tony-abbott-says-only-the-right-kids-should-stay-at-school-after-year-10/story-fn59nlz9-1226207999721

!?

What a wanker!

buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 8:19am:

As the Gillard Government starts a campaign to encourage kids to complete a high standard of education, Tony Abbott is telling the "dumb" ones they're wasting their time ...

... and Ted goes one BETTER




Northern suburbs schools hit hard by Reading Recovery cuts
Jewel Topsfield
November 26, 2011.


A school in Melbourne's north-eastern suburbs has told parents it will no longer be able to offer a program that offers struggling children a second chance to learn to read and write, because of government cuts.

Reading Recovery, which has been offered at Mill Park Heights Primary for 20 years, provides children who are having difficulty after their first year of school with individual tutoring from specially trained teachers.

The program, which operates in all states of Australia, the US, Canada, Britain and New Zealand, has a ''strong tradition of success with the lowest-achieving children'', according to the Victorian Education Department's own website.

However, the Education Department's northern metropolitan region, which comprises 195 schools in some of Melbourne's most disadvantaged suburbs, will no longer provide Reading Recovery tutors from next year.

''Unfortunately, the northern metropolitan region has chosen to discontinue this service for schools in the region from 2012, due to budget cuts,'' Mill Park Heights acting principal Val Brittain said in the school newsletter. ''Unfortunately, this means that the one program that has many years of evidence to support its success can no longer be offered in its entirety to students at Mill Park Heights - your children.''

Ms Brittain suggested parents who were concerned contact Education Department regional director Wayne Craig.

In an email to Mill Park Heights Primary school counsellor Leeann Ferris, seen by The Saturday Age, Mr Craig said the Department was required to find savings of more than $100 million this year and his office was required to cut $1 million. ''As a result, any staff member who resigns or whose contract expires is not being replaced and this included our two Reading Recovery tutors,'' he wrote.

Reading Recovery tutors are responsible for training teachers in the use of specific teaching techniques. According to the department's website, this professional training and support is ''essential to the implementation of Reading Recovery''.

Mr Craig wrote that while it was ''unfortunate'' his office was unable to continue to fund Reading Recovery tutors, many schools had ''large bank accounts'' and could pool funds with other schools to employ a tutor. But opposition education spokesman Rob Hulls said it was an absolute nonsense to suggest northern suburbs schools had ''squirrelled away thousands of dollars for a rainy day … The government's callous cuts are now clearly having an adverse impact on educational outcomes and will result in thousands of kids ending up on the educational scrap heap''


http://www.theage.com.au/national/education/northern-suburbs-schools-hit-hard-by-reading-recovery-cuts-20111125-1nzas.html#ixzz1f2kdLAtX

Equitist wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 8:30am:

Perhaps Rhodes scholar Tony Abbott didn't get enough of the 'right' education to fully understand this bit: - buzzanddidj wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 8:19am: Students would have to stay in full-time secondary school study or a vocational equivalent such as a TAFE course. http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/education/tony-abbott-says-only-the-right-kids-should-stay-at-school-after-year-10/story-fn59nlz9-1226207999721 !? What a wanker!

So, he's a 'wanker' for basically agreeing with the governments plan???

Great plan, everyone wins.
While there at it, they might want to tell the little scrubbers to keep their legs together from now on until they can support themselves.