Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order.

I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :(

There is ONE major fundamental FLAW with the capitalist system, and that is; not everyone can be rich, because no one will be left to do the manual work.

If you have cash money in any bank is would be very prudent to pull it out and either invest in Australian bonds or just hide it somewhere safe.

Germany is not going to safe Europe, and is talking about leaving the EU.

culldav wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:39am:

There is ONE major fundamental FLAW with the capitalist system, and that is; not everyone can be rich, because no one will be left to do the manual work. If you have cash money in any bank is would be very prudent to pull it out and either invest in Australian bonds or just hide it somewhere safe. Germany is not going to safe Europe, and is talking about leaving the EU.

as opposed to socialism where no one is rich and many are poor? or totalitarianism where one person is rich and everyone else is in poverty?

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:00am:

Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :(

So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists?

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists?

Organised Corporate greed and human inequality and its ultra right wing shareholder capitalist investor lobbies are openly calling for the scrapping of all benefits to hard workers, to make them work even harder and longer so they can kill them off faster, take the profits faster and up the replacement immigration intake.  they want the dole scrapped, the DSP and Aged Pension scrapped, public health scrapped ect.  They want compulsory credit cards issued to all workers and education on the benefits of gambling, suicide and compulsory sterilization to all working class slaves.  By doing this shareholder capitalists could channel even more wealth into their miserable lowlife greedy coffers.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:00am:

Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :(

That's so true nails. Get your house in order. Don't trust the banks or the government to guarantee your savings, when the crash comes there will be no guarantees.

Capitalism as we know it is all but dead and buried. Who knows what it will be replaced with? probably nothing while we all struggle to survive without killing each other. See some wars starting to slowly brew as we speak?

In 2008, some brave economists were saying what all the economists are saying now. It's actually the same GFC that never went away, it just simmered with more bail outs and more money thrown into the fire.

Mr Swan has made some drastic cuts in expenditure today, 2.2% cut in most government departments, baby bonus, aged pension partners allowance blah blah blah, I'll try and get it. Over 300 pages of financial reforms.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:00am:

Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :(

All right wingers have been talking about  a depression since 2008.   They parade their fears so obviously its embarrasing.

Here's a call.  The European "trouble" is mostly political.  Its a game played by Germany to get as much control of Europe as part of deal to get out of the problems.  Europe doesnt even have fiscal union yet.
This could drag on for ages, but if the poo really did hit the fan, the solution is poised to go straight away.   Germany may want to see a default to sharpen the minds of the other member states.  They hold all the cards at the moment.

Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 12:17pm:

culldav wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 11:39am: There is ONE major fundamental FLAW with the capitalist system, and that is; not everyone can be rich, because no one will be left to do the manual work. If you have cash money in any bank is would be very prudent to pull it out and either invest in Australian bonds or just hide it somewhere safe. Germany is not going to safe Europe, and is talking about leaving the EU. as opposed to socialism where no one is rich and many are poor? or totalitarianism where one person is rich and everyone else is in poverty?

as opposed to capitalism which sweeps the poor into the gutter where they can't be seen :(

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 12:19pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists?

you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:11pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !!

Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !! Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??

I like the resource based system outlined in this documentary. And they are not talking about resources based on setting fire to coal either or digging crap out of the ground that destroys the planet !!

http://vimeo.com/13726978

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !! Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??

Stop all economic aggression and shareholder capitalist terrorism immediately.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 12:42pm:

Organised Corporate greed and human inequality and its ultra right wing shareholder capitalist investor lobbies are openly calling for the scrapping of all benefits to hard workers, to make them work even harder and longer so they can kill them off faster, take the profits faster and up the replacement immigration intake.  they want the dole scrapped, the DSP and Aged Pension scrapped, public health scrapped ect.  They want compulsory credit cards issued to all workers and education on the benefits of gambling, suicide and compulsory sterilization to all working class slaves.  By doing this shareholder capitalists could channel even more wealth into their miserable lowlife greedy coffers.

These are all very good ideas. Win your groceries on the pokies - it is certainly more exciting than pushing your trolley at Woolies.

It's time that work, like a good deed, is be recognised as its own reward, rather somethingto haggle over, as we see with these ujnioist chappies. Disgraceful. Work ye bastards, that's why you are the champions of the working class. Leave the filthy lucre to the morally inferior red in claw capitalists.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:20pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:12pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !! Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do?? Stop all economic aggression and shareholder capitalist terrorism immediately.

get rid of the corrupt monetary institutions including the Reserve Banks and the fractional banking systems !!

Get rid of money because it's a curse !!

Ban all practices which destroy the environment !!

We are going to have to start up a social economy again so people have an opportunity to get properly educated and skilled free of the Market capitalists conniving and exploitation's.  People have a right to be trained and skilled in trades and the market capitalist system is not delivering anything but economic failure and corruption.

this is a prick of a system.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !! Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??

What do you want to do lisa? sell overpriced houses to people who are broke?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

Grey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:05pm:

Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us.

We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then.
That would suck.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:12pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !! Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do?? What do you want to do lisa? sell overpriced houses to people who are broke?  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D

That's right!!!! Say no to houses!!

EAT MORE GRASS!!!!!

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:36pm:

We are going to have to start up a social economy again so people have an opportunity to get properly educated and skilled free of the Market capitalists conniving and exploitation's.  People have a right to be trained and skilled in trades and the market capitalist system is not delivering anything but economic failure and corruption. this is a prick of a system.

It's a failed system from go to whoa. Education is an industry, an industry that has been growing by deception.

Be a life-long learner, there will be a course or 100 for every stage of your progression, simply to hide the fact that we don't have jobs.

They tell us we have a shortage of skilled workers, yet we have more people in education than ever before.

Don't believe the lie. People should be trained in trades, people want to be trained in trades, but for some reason the government does not want people to be trained in trades, otherwise they would have trade schools for those people who are not already in the industry.

They have created a catch 22 situation, where a person can only be trained in a trade if they are taken on as an apprentice. That's discrimination for the person who wants to get into a certain industry, but does not get an apprenticeship.

It's all a big ponci scheme to benefit the capitalist pigs who are sucking the blood from the 99%.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

It's a failed system from go to whoa. Education is an industry, an industry that has been growing by deception.

Just like ALL the others, so far.....

Communism failed (witness the USSR)
Facism failed (Nazi Germany)
Socialism is failing (France's economy is in the crapper)

Etc etc....

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 2:03pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:36pm: We are going to have to start up a social economy again so people have an opportunity to get properly educated and skilled free of the Market capitalists conniving and exploitation's.  People have a right to be trained and skilled in trades and the market capitalist system is not delivering anything but economic failure and corruption. this is a prick of a system. It's a failed system from go to whoa. Education is an industry, an industry that has been growing by deception. Be a life-long learner, there will be a course or 100 for every stage of your progression, simply to hide the fact that we don't have jobs. They tell us we have a shortage of skilled workers, yet we have more people in education than ever before. Don't believe the lie. People should be trained in trades, people want to be trained in trades, but for some reason the government does not want people to be trained in trades, otherwise they would have trade schools for those people who are not already in the industry. They have created a catch 22 situation, where a person can only be trained in a trade if they are taken on as an apprentice. That's discrimination for the person who wants to get into a certain industry, but does not get an apprenticeship. It's all a big ponci scheme to benefit the capitalist pigs who are sucking the blood from the 99%.

People need to understand how to do things for themselves and each other and those skills have to be taught.  We have to understand for ourselves how things work and how they are fixed.  Its the monopolizing and hoarding of knowledge that is excluding people.  Market capitalism does not train and skill people, it poaches skills by outsourcing.  I am not talking about filling skills shortages to suit business demands that I could give a flip about, I am talking about giving people trades again spreading the knowledge and skill out as wide as possible.  We need to abolish the shareholder capitalists monopolization and control of  knowledge and skill and teach each other again.  the power of corporatism and control of wealth can only be broken by opportunities for Australians to learn trade skills and to be educated - that is a fact and we have to be able to be educated without accruing a huge debt over our heads to evil, greedy, lowlife, scumbag, shareholder capitalists.  knowledge must be shared not controlled - if you have access to text books and trade manuals FFS rip them and upload them to the internet.

Soren wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:24pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:42pm: Organised Corporate greed and human inequality and its ultra right wing shareholder capitalist investor lobbies are openly calling for the scrapping of all benefits to hard workers, to make them work even harder and longer so they can kill them off faster, take the profits faster and up the replacement immigration intake.  they want the dole scrapped, the DSP and Aged Pension scrapped, public health scrapped ect.  They want compulsory credit cards issued to all workers and education on the benefits of gambling, suicide and compulsory sterilization to all working class slaves.  By doing this shareholder capitalists could channel even more wealth into their miserable lowlife greedy coffers. These are all very good ideas. Win your groceries on the pokies - it is certainly more exciting than pushing your trolley at Woolies. It's time that work, like a good deed, is be recognised as its own reward, rather somethingto haggle over, as we see with these ujnioist chappies. Disgraceful. Work ye bastards, that's why you are the champions of the working class. Leave the filthy lucre to the morally inferior red in claw capitalists.

Great Universe, Soren said something I agree with:-)

(enjoy RosenKavellier on Sunday? :) )

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:49pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:05pm: Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us. We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then. That would suck.

:-) not if you enjoy electronics. And really we have to stop being hole diggers at some point.

For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory

Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova.

That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic.

People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value.

therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be.

Grey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 2:48pm:

For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova. That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic. People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value. therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be.

In that situation, give me an island, a boat, a fishing rod, a net, a continuous supply of beer and water and a woman or two.

qikvtec wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 3:23pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm: For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova. That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic. People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value. therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be. In that situation, give me an island, a boat, a fishing rod, a net, a continuous supply of beer and water and a woman or two.

Sorry it doesn't work like that. Find your own unoccupied space on an island. acquire your own boat, rod, nets and water source, make your own beer. Entice your own women if you can. We undertake not to hastle you.  ;D

Grey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 4:00pm:

qikvtec wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 3:23pm: Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:48pm: For the most part I'm with Corporate Whitey, though I might not couch things in quite the same way. Not all systems fail. If you look at a rain forest you see a dynamic system. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamical_systems_theory Of course if humans set out with gay abandon to eradicate a dynamic system that's achievable. But in the natural way of things a rain forest will continue to self adjust until the sun goes nova. That's the sort of system we need to emulate, one that has enough inbuilt chaos to adjust. Control is the enemy, that makes fascism the worst kind of system. Fascism can be left, right or theocratic. People need to be free to do their own thing. The biggest single problem with liberal capitalism is the concept of ownership of land. Land in its natural state should not have a monetary value and land that has been damaged should have a negative value. therefore if people want to make a community on damaged land the capitalist state should pay them a grant of restitution. We should make a society where different types of people can find a place to be. In that situation, give me an island, a boat, a fishing rod, a net, a continuous supply of beer and water and a woman or two. Sorry it doesn't work like that. Find your own unoccupied space on an island. acquire your own boat, rod, nets and water source, make your own beer. Entice your own women if you can. We undertake not to hastle you.  ;D

Sea steading is the way to go.  

But of course theres the enduring question of how to make 'da man' tolerate you removing yourself from their sphere of influence.  That's the thing with power - you always want more.

not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years.

barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:03pm:

not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years.

The problem with mars is that the lower gravity ensures anyone living there will soon become physically feeble compared to the earth-based ubermensch, with their robust 1.0 gravity.  
So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings.  

Grey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 2:24pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:05pm: Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us. We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then. That would suck. :-) not if you enjoy electronics. And really we have to stop being hole diggers at some point.

the naievete of that statement is breathtaking... we have NO semiconductor industry whatseover.

isolationists are idiots.

thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots.

unbelievable trash.

... wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:13pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm: not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years. The problem with mars is that the lower gravity ensures anyone living there will soon become physically feeble compared to the earth-based ubermensch, with their robust 1.0 gravity.   So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings.

they worship weakness and weak people as well so it'd be precisely their thing.

problem is getting them to move.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:17pm:

thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots. unbelievable trash.

So you know better than the economists longy? In 2007 we could excuse your ignorance because very few economists picked up on the global financial crises that later hit.

This time we have history on our side and in our face on a daily basis if you care to watch some "global news".

You are ignoring the facts because you are heavily mortgaged and you stand to lose out big time. Bad luck! you should have listened instead of laughing in the face of good advice.

You better choose two tents and an en-suite because you'll be in them for a long time.

The doom and gloom brigade on here are pretty funny.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:17pm: thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots. unbelievable trash. So you know better than the economists longy? In 2007 we could excuse your ignorance because very few economists picked up on the global financial crises that later hit. This time we have history on our side and in our face on a daily basis if you care to watch some "global news". You are ignoring the facts because you are heavily mortgaged and you stand to lose out big time. Bad luck! you should have listened instead of laughing in the face of good advice. You better choose two tents and an en-suite because you'll be in them for a long time.

Actually Pansi, if Longy was heavily mortgaged, and the world turns to Sh!t and hyperinflation is the order of the day, Longy would actually stand to gain significantly if heavily indebted; the debt would be absolutely worthless and could likely be retired with a weeks wages.

Just as a side note: They say you could line all the worlds economists head to toe around the equator and they still won't reach a conclusion.

Even a stopped watch is right twice a day!

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:52pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:17pm: thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots. unbelievable trash. So you know better than the economists longy? In 2007 we could excuse your ignorance because very few economists picked up on the global financial crises that later hit. This time we have history on our side and in our face on a daily basis if you care to watch some "global news". You are ignoring the facts because you are heavily mortgaged and you stand to lose out big time. Bad luck! you should have listened instead of laughing in the face of good advice. You better choose two tents and an en-suite because you'll be in them for a long time.

IF HES Heavily motgaged he'll win out as he still owes the same amount, but inflation ensures that the outstanding amount is relatively worthless.

qikvtec beat me to it.  he must be qik.

It_is_the_truth<<So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings. >>
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The leftards will do very well on this beautiful planet called earth thankyou. We will clean it up and bring it back to health after you greedy capitalist pigs get off with your filthy CO2 pollution and your filthy mining industries.

Righties are dirty polluters poo!!!

Back to nature!!!! and pristine oceans mmmmmmmmmm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:02pm:

It_is_the_truth<<So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings. >> .......................................................... The leftards will do very well on this beautiful planet called earth thankyou. We will clean it up and bring it back to health after you greedy capitalist pigs get off with your filthy CO2 pollution and your filthy mining industries. Righties are dirty polluters poo!!! Back to nature!!!! and pristine oceans mmmmmmmmmm

Ahh of course.  It is only conservatives (notice the resemblance to conservation?  Just sayin....) who pollute.  Such a simplistic world view you have.

But it is intersting that we both want the same thing.  I reckon you might be a bit disappointed should you gte you wish.  nature can be a cruel mistress - the weak do not get rewarded with affirmative action - they die instead.  

A post from a while back... from Alastair Cooke's 'Letter from America' regarding Franklin Roosevelt's 'New Deal' response to the great depression...

Roosevelt’s ‘New Deal’ and his signing of a welter of new laws were designed as he put it ‘to punish the economic royalists and spread the resources of the national government to the lowest in the land’, not least the 13 million jobless who had been there when he went into the White House. These ‘economic royalists’ – the bankers and captains of industry felt Roosevelt had betrayed them – which he had.

Roosevelt had campaigned to dismantle the bureaucracies of the central government and return its powers to the sovereign states. But once he was President, (as Cooke eloquently put it), ‘he suddenly looked beyond Washington and the east coast and the social landscape he’d inhabited and adorned. He lifted his eyes to the bankrupt farmers and the small businessmen of the mid-west and the bread lines outside the smokeless steel mills and the locked automobile factories and to the scurvy-ridden farmers of the deep south and the forlorn stevedores of the pacific coast and the one family in three or four that had nothing coming in… and he changed his mind’.

He decided that the states had neither the will, nor the power nor the money to rescue their own people and asked congress to give him powers ‘as great as would be given me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe’ and Congress, fearful of the disaster that had befallen the country, gave it to him. He ruled virtually by decree. Some of his ideas were fanciful and half baked and came to nothing, but his first vision, 'is the one he made real and the one for which he will always be remembered and the one that established the national consensus of the duties of the national government that is not going to be changed'.

Cooke goes on to describe his shock and ‘alarmed admiration’ on first seeing the President in the flesh. Virtually paralysed from the waist down, his upper body, heart and will had doubly strengthened to meet the challenges of his disability.

Finally Cooke recites the words of a sworn enemy of Roosevelt (Westbrook Peggler) who’d finally broken down and offered this eulogy to the great President. “As a social and political liver shaker he’s had no equal in our time in this country. Ornery, tricky, wayward and strong as a bull, he looked nice and dressy back there in 1932. There was nothing in his past record to indicate what a cantankerous hide he would turn out to be. Yet never in our time have people been so conscious of the meanness which a complacent upper class will practise on the [lower classes] and the government’s duty to do something real and personal for the assistance of those who are so far down that they can’t help themselves. If the country doesn’t go absolutely broke in his time, it will be a more intelligent and better country after him”.

Will the US and Europe soon need to elect their own respective 'Roosevelt'?

I want to see the future of my own class secured - I dont want hard working people have everything they work for stolen off them by organised shareholder capitalists. I want to see the social security, housing,  education, retirement, health  and employment training secured and protected from free market capitalist corruption, greed and aggression.  The only way I see that happening is a separation of powers and economic autonomy for people who want to live and work under a social system.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 6:16pm:

I want to see the future of my own class secured - I dont want hard working people have everything they work for stolen off them by organised shareholder capitalists. I want to see the social security, housing,  education, retirement, health  and employment training secured and protected from free market capitalist corruption, greed and aggression.  The only way I see that happening is a separation of powers and economic autonomy for people who want to live and work under a social system.

Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt.

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:24pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:05pm: Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us. We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then. That would suck. :-) not if you enjoy electronics. And really we have to stop being hole diggers at some point. the naievete of that statement is breathtaking... we have NO semiconductor industry whatseover. isolationists are idiots.

If we didn't it would be a good idea to start up wouldn't it? In fact you are wrong.

http://www.silanna.com/index.php?page=about-us

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:58pm:

The doom and gloom brigade on here are pretty funny.

I'm not full of doom and gloom. If the  Market tanks tomorrow I'm prepared. I do seem to be better informed than you are though.


http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/business/items/201111/s3374648.htm

Grey wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 7:15pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:58pm: The doom and gloom brigade on here are pretty funny. I'm not full of doom and gloom. If the  Market tanks tomorrow I'm prepared. I do seem to be better informed than you are though. http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/business/items/201111/s3374648.htm

I wasn't including you in the regular "doom and gloom" brigade on here.

But look on the brightside.... even during the Great Depression most people still had full time employment - 3 out of 4 of them in fact.

Just don't be the fourth if it does happen....

barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

... wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:13pm: barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm: not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years. The problem with mars is that the lower gravity ensures anyone living there will soon become physically feeble compared to the earth-based ubermensch, with their robust 1.0 gravity.   So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings.   they worship weakness and weak people as well so it'd be precisely their thing. problem is getting them to move.

Smoking crack makes metrosexuals metrosexuals!!  ;D :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:16pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 2:24pm: Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:49pm: Grey wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:05pm: Australia could easily avoid the catastrophe by going isolationist. Only the ideological nonsense of 'free trade stops us. We'd have to make all our own electronics ourselves then. That would suck. :-) not if you enjoy electronics. And really we have to stop being hole diggers at some point. the naievete of that statement is breathtaking... we have NO semiconductor industry whatseover. isolationists are idiots.

who's fault is that Luddite ?? Didn't Intel want to come here and set up shop but the libbos didn't want to offer them a good deal so they split and setup in another country which meant they offered decent career paths and jobs to other countries and Australians carried on shearing sheep and digging poo out of the ground or working for tin pot electronics companies with no long term vision :( Nothing has changed :(

Nail,
you're asking the wrong questions.

Good  questions would be :

Is your superannuation safe?
Is your money in the bank safe?

qikvtec wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:59pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:52pm: longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:17pm: thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots. unbelievable trash. So you know better than the economists longy? In 2007 we could excuse your ignorance because very few economists picked up on the global financial crises that later hit. This time we have history on our side and in our face on a daily basis if you care to watch some "global news". You are ignoring the facts because you are heavily mortgaged and you stand to lose out big time. Bad luck! you should have listened instead of laughing in the face of good advice. You better choose two tents and an en-suite because you'll be in them for a long time. Actually Pansi, if Longy was heavily mortgaged, and the world turns to Sh!t and hyperinflation is the order of the day, Longy would actually stand to gain significantly if heavily indebted; the debt would be absolutely worthless and could likely be retired with a weeks wages. Just as a side note: They say you could line all the worlds economists head to toe around the equator and they still won't reach a conclusion. Even a stopped watch is right twice a day!

The Germans know how well hyperinflation works, and I can't see them going at it again.

Equally, the US knows the other side of the coin (Deflation), see the Great Depression and there's not much joy there either!

The Truth is, there is no joy in either a hyperinflation or Deflation, both will kick the guts out of the system!

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:17pm:

thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots. unbelievable trash.

Good solid comments there LW?

That was a great demonstration of your knowledge of Global , which came shinning thru?

perceptions_now wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 10:41pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:17pm: thi s a thread full of scared little whiny idiots. unbelievable trash. Good solid comments there LW? That was a great demonstration of your knowledge of Global , which came shinning thru?

Longweekend 's latest ruse is to pretend to be an expert on business.
Don't listen to a word - he knows nothing.
He probably has never done: a ledger , a journal or a trial balance.

Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 1:12pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 1:11pm: Lisa Jones wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 12:19pm: Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 10:00am: Some economists are talking about the possibility of a world depression if Europe can't get its house in order. I suppose we have to experience at least one depression every century followed by a massive war in order to kick start the economy again. Such is the capitalist system of greed  :( So what do you suggest we all do .. become communists? you'll find all of those systems including capitalism will eventually fail. Capitalism requires exponential growth which the planet cannot possibly support so is doomed to failure !! Again I ask .. what do YOU suggest we all do??

Lisa,
Can I ask, what you think is likely to happen, IF we continue with the status quo & why?

In respect of going to Communism or Socilaism etc, I think that's unlikely!

If I were to take a stab in the dark and that's all any of us can do, here & now, I would think Capitalism Mk2 is the most likely outcome.

However, Capitalism Mk2 would most likely turn out to be a re-of the left overs between Capitalism Mk1 & Socialism and it would also be destined to failure.

I don't know that the following is likely to gain much traction, but unless there are some basic changes to the human Psyche (see the following) and quickly, then WE MAY find that the last century, was our best?
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1322470066

barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 5:48pm:

... wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:13pm: barnaby joe wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 5:03pm: not if you just go to mars. they wont be able to get us on mars for at least 50 years. The problem with mars is that the lower gravity ensures anyone living there will soon become physically feeble compared to the earth-based ubermensch, with their robust 1.0 gravity.   So, I propose that leftards be sent to Mars instead - after all, they are used to being weaklings.   they worship weakness and weak people as well so it'd be precisely their thing. problem is getting them to move.

Sure. Like Finkelstein?

Quote:

Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt.

Does anyone come to mind?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind?

No. No need for one... yet.

But as they say... Cometh the hour (hopefully) cometh the man (/woman).

But I think Europe's (and America's) hour is coming.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind?

Yes, it did!

But, he didn't measure up to the mark!!

That man was Obama and in all probability, he may well have been our last chance, for quite some time!!!

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29^th, 2011 at 11:04pm:

Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind?

Roosevelt never had to deal with problems of the magnitude facing us, that's the ugly truth. If there was a way it would've been dealt with between the GFC and now. What is called for is a new system and not a messiah. That's part of the old system.  

Grey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 12:56am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 11:04pm: Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind? Roosevelt never had to deal with problems of the magnitude facing us, that's the ugly truth. If there was a way it would've been dealt with between the GFC and now. What is called for is a new system and not a messiah. That's part of the old system.

I am not interested in doing deals with share market capitalism, or those who support that economy - I am all for a new system and for skilling up Aussies again in trade skills and letting them do what they do best.  Shareholder capitalists are not of much use and will be suited for only the most menial of tasks since their house of cards is doomed, if you can get them to work.  The important thing is Australians need proper trade skills and qualifications pathways readily available and we need to get that happening - if a depression happens organised corporate greed and human inequality has left us totally screwed.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 1:16am:

Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 12:56am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 11:04pm: Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind? Roosevelt never had to deal with problems of the magnitude facing us, that's the ugly truth. If there was a way it would've been dealt with between the GFC and now. What is called for is a new system and not a messiah. That's part of the old system.   I am not interested in doing deals with share market capitalism, or those who support that economy - I am all for a new system and for skilling up Aussies again in trade skills and letting them do what they do best.  Shareholder capitalists are not of much use and will be suited for only the most menial of tasks since their house of cards is doomed, if you can get them to work.  The important thing is Australians need proper trade skills and qualifications pathways readily available and we need to get that happening - if a depression happens organised corporate greed and human inequality has left us totally screwed.

Dead right, and probably one of the most sensible things I've seen you post for some time.

This country will go no-where but further down-hill if this is not done, preferably immediately.

It should be compulsory for companies to take on untrained staff and TRAIN them.

It should ALSO be compulsory for the Govt to make RELEVANT training available to ALL
those on welfare who wish to undertake it, INCLUDING those on WfD.

This is currently NOT happening, to Australia's detriment and SHAME.

And it WON'T happen as long as politicians and business leaders are addicted to greed and the 'quick-fix'.

Grey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 12:56am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 11:04pm: Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind? Roosevelt never had to deal with problems of the magnitude facing us, that's the ugly truth. If there was a way it would've been dealt with between the GFC and now. What is called for is a new system and not a messiah. That's part of the old system.

You can bet that in times of great austerity, the national psyche is saved from collapse by a 'Messiah' installed in its high office more than a trembling greyface.

Ironically, when Churchill was contemplating Britain's likely fate (being a successful German invasion), he wrote that he hoped a British 'Hitler' would rise up and rally the British people... (Presumably he imagined himself to be drunk in exile, imprisoned or dead).

Thank god, in wartime, Australia had MacArthur ;D

Kat wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 5:40am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:16am: Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 12:56am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 29th, 2011 at 11:04pm: Quote: Maybe Australia will one day need a Roosevelt. Does anyone come to mind? Roosevelt never had to deal with problems of the magnitude facing us, that's the ugly truth. If there was a way it would've been dealt with between the GFC and now. What is called for is a new system and not a messiah. That's part of the old system.   I am not interested in doing deals with share market capitalism, or those who support that economy - I am all for a new system and for skilling up Aussies again in trade skills and letting them do what they do best.  Shareholder capitalists are not of much use and will be suited for only the most menial of tasks since their house of cards is doomed, if you can get them to work.  The important thing is Australians need proper trade skills and qualifications pathways readily available and we need to get that happening - if a depression happens organised corporate greed and human inequality has left us totally screwed. Dead right, and probably one of the most sensible things I've seen you post for some time. This country will go no-where but further down-hill if this is not done, preferably immediately. It should be compulsory for companies to take on untrained staff and TRAIN them. It should ALSO be compulsory for the Govt to make RELEVANT training available to ALL those on welfare who wish to undertake it, INCLUDING those on WfD. This is currently NOT happening, to Australia's detriment and SHAME. And it WON'T happen as long as politicians and business leaders are addicted to greed and the 'quick-fix'.

The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 8:46am:

The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable.

Hey corporate, you may not realise this but i'm a mining tycoon.  ;D Actually we don't like the way things are going either and between you and me, there's a few of us like the cut of your jib. We think you have some good ideas and are prepared to back them with a couple of million.

My point is CW, that we are all corruptible. You can be corrupted without even realising it. If you were rich, you'd sing a different tune. You'd mix with different people and get a different sense of how too be a really useful guy.

There is no 'enemy', there are just patterns of behaviour. Classism isn't any different from racism. They're just red herrings set up by control freaks. People like our Andrei are just as much a victim of the 'system' (pattern) as poor people. It's just as easy to set up an unjust system that overpays tradesmen and underpays stockbrokers as the other way around. (Actually between you and me I think you have to have more intelligence to be a carpenter than a finance sector 'trader')

I think you need to understand this, before you can effect REAL change.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 8:46am:

The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable.

Step 1 - Train everyone and provide them with the skills needed for a socialist utopia.

Step 2 - Destroy ALL privately own businesses and corporations.

Step 3 - ?


This has been done before and very successfully in places like USSR, china, north korea and pol pot's cambodia.

You're about 100 years too late to set up a socialist distopia, people just aren't that stupid anymore.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:46am: The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable. Step 1 - Train everyone and provide them with the skills needed for a socialist utopia. Step 2 - Destroy ALL privately own businesses and corporations. Step 3 - ? This has been done before and very successfully in places like USSR, china, north korea and pol pot's cambodia. You're about 100 years too late to set up a socialist distopia, people just aren't that stupid anymore.  ;D

Disagree in the strongest possible terms.  With the rise of mass bubblegum media and google, people are stupider than ever.  Not me though, I'm speshul.

Quote:

Not me though, I'm speshul.

ME too  ;D ;D ;D

grey<< get a different sense of how too  to be a really useful guy. >>
..........................................................

:-[ Tsk* Tsk* Standards   :-[



Speaking of Roosevelt, he wasn't everyone's favourite. He made the people sell their gold for $20 an ounce and immediately readjusted the price of gold to $35 an ounce to keep up with inflation.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 1:58pm:

grey<< get a different sense of how too  to be a really useful guy. >> .......................................................... :-[ Tsk* Tsk* Standards   :-[ Speaking of Roosevelt, he wasn't everyone's favourite. He made the people sell their gold for $20 an ounce and immediately readjusted the price of gold to $35 an ounce to keep up with inflation.

Ouch  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 1:34pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:46am: The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable. Step 1 - Train everyone and provide them with the skills needed for a socialist utopia. Step 2 - Destroy ALL privately own businesses and corporations. Step 3 - ? This has been done before and very successfully in places like USSR, china, north korea and pol pot's cambodia. You're about 100 years too late to set up a socialist distopia, people just aren't that stupid anymore.  ;D

Wow you lie and regurgitate nonsense so effortlessly to yourself and to uas.  All you are telling me is that the people who stole the enterprises that my class and my forefathers built with their skill - that organised share-market capitalism (the mafia) can steal for themselves.  That you can screw the rest of the country by not training Australians but by importing skills to run the businesses for you while you carve up the lot for yourselves.  Why do you try to complicate simple organised crime with flowery nonsense? You are so entitled that you believe that not only should you not have to p[ay for skills but that all of the tax revenue is for bailing out the share market capitalist class and their gravy train existence.  And you dont actually need any skills your self or to pay for the training - you just need to keep on importing them like the useless corrupt parasites you are so that they can do all of the work for you till they too have had enough of you.  But you know what, your house of cards is collapsing and we are not bailing you out.  you useless bludgers can rot in hell.  Because when it all collapses, when you cant pay anyone any more you're screwed.  We can re-learn the skills that built this country, but you will always remain useless narcissistic criminal parasites.  thats the truth, your version is your imagination.

<<But you know what, your house of cards is collapsing and we are not bailing you out.>>
............................................................

I think that TPTB will find it in themselves to go for a couple of big bailouts and another round of money printing before the deck of cards collapses.

They have to make sure they did a very, very good job before they throw the towel in.

Who knows how high our deficit will go before they concede defeat?

$1 trillion.....maybe

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:12pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:46am: The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable. Step 1 - Train everyone and provide them with the skills needed for a socialist utopia. Step 2 - Destroy ALL privately own businesses and corporations. Step 3 - ? This has been done before and very successfully in places like USSR, china, north korea and pol pot's cambodia. You're about 100 years too late to set up a socialist distopia, people just aren't that stupid anymore.  ;D Wow you lie and regurgitate nonsense so effortlessly to yourself and to uas.  All you are telling me is that the people who stole the enterprises that my class and my forefathers built with their skill - that organised share-market capitalism (the mafia) can steal for themselves.  That you can screw the rest of the country by not training Australians but by importing skills to run the businesses for you while you carve up the lot for yourselves.  Why do you try to complicate simple organised crime with flowery nonsense? You are so entitled that you believe that not only should you not have to p[ay for skills but that all of the tax revenue is for bailing out the share market capitalist class and their gravy train existence.  And you dont actually need any skills your self or to pay for the training - you just need to keep on importing them like the useless corrupt parasites you are so that they can do all of the work for you till they too have had enough of you.  But you know what, your house of cards is collapsing and we are not bailing you out.  you useless bludgers can rot in hell.  Because when it all collapses, when you cant pay anyone any more you're screwed.  We can re-learn the skills that built this country, but you will always remain useless narcissistic criminal parasites.  thats the truth, your version is your imagination.

So, still no Step 3 then?

BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 1:44pm:

Disagree in the strongest possible terms.  With the rise of mass bubblegum media and google, people are stupider than ever.  Not me though, I'm speshul.

I think corporate whitey is more speshul than you, he regurgitates the same marxist drivel over and over without taking time to reflect if it is in fact relevant to the post he is making.  ;D

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:26pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:12pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 1:34pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:46am: The ideas I have for skilling up Australia again and rebuilding do not include working with shareholder capitalism.  when their economy goes belly up and they have ruined all of the privatized businesses that my class built and made into the enterprises they were - they are history.  That relationship is broken, unworkable and unsustainable. Step 1 - Train everyone and provide them with the skills needed for a socialist utopia. Step 2 - Destroy ALL privately own businesses and corporations. Step 3 - ? This has been done before and very successfully in places like USSR, china, north korea and pol pot's cambodia. You're about 100 years too late to set up a socialist distopia, people just aren't that stupid anymore.  ;D Wow you lie and regurgitate nonsense so effortlessly to yourself and to uas.  All you are telling me is that the people who stole the enterprises that my class and my forefathers built with their skill - that organised share-market capitalism (the mafia) can steal for themselves.  That you can screw the rest of the country by not training Australians but by importing skills to run the businesses for you while you carve up the lot for yourselves.  Why do you try to complicate simple organised crime with flowery nonsense? You are so entitled that you believe that not only should you not have to p[ay for skills but that all of the tax revenue is for bailing out the share market capitalist class and their gravy train existence.  And you dont actually need any skills your self or to pay for the training - you just need to keep on importing them like the useless corrupt parasites you are so that they can do all of the work for you till they too have had enough of you.  But you know what, your house of cards is collapsing and we are not bailing you out.  you useless bludgers can rot in hell.  Because when it all collapses, when you cant pay anyone any more you're screwed.  We can re-learn the skills that built this country, but you will always remain useless narcissistic criminal parasites.  thats the truth, your version is your imagination. So, still no Step 3 then? BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D

Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./...

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:26pm:

So, still no Step 3 then? BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D

Yes Step 3) All Luddites rounded up and exterminated !!

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:26pm: So, still no Step 3 then? BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D Yes Step 3) All Luddites rounded up and exterminated !!

Their economy still fails, they still lose because they have no skill, they are corrupt and will not work.  You cant fix useless.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:26pm: So, still no Step 3 then? BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D Yes Step 3) All Luddites rounded up and exterminated !!

We could keep a few of them in a zoo-like environment to show
the tackers what the ones who nearly screwed the human race
actually looked like.....:-):-):-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:37pm:

Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./...

Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded.

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:39pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:26pm: So, still no Step 3 then? BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D Yes Step 3) All Luddites rounded up and exterminated !!

For someone who is entirely focused in a single piece of sub-standard technology to the exclusion of everything else, you might find your self in that queue.  ;D

Kat wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:51pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:39pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:26pm: So, still no Step 3 then? BTW, I'm not a corporation so your accusations and threats are pointless, even if I was, they're kinda inane and stupid too.  ;D Yes Step 3) All Luddites rounded up and exterminated !! We could keep a few of them in a zoo-like environment to show the tackers what the ones who nearly screwed the human race actually looked like.....:-):-):-)

A bit of a stretch considering luddites were those who opposed industralisation.  As you know, industralisation is the root cause of the AGW that is going to kill us all.  Or should I say WAS going to kil us all until we were saved by the carbon tax?

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 3:56pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./... Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded.

Wow, you just keep the idiocy and meaningless drivel going even while share-market capitalism dies in its bottomless ditch of corruption, debt and laziness.  definition of share-market capitalism - "work someone to death and not pay them, Print Money -  keep doing this."

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:02pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:56pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./... Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded. Wow, you just keep the idiocy and meaningless drivel going even while share-market capitalism dies in its bottomless ditch of corruption, debt and laziness.  definition of share-market capitalism - "work someone to death and not pay them, Print Money -  keep doing this."

Even if capitalism collapsed tomorrow, you'd still be the same useless obese loafer you've always been, only then you'd have to rely on your own merit to sruvive, rather than the welfare those capitalist pigs throw at you to preserve your miserable existence.  I'd give you 48 hours, max.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:02pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:56pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./... Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded. Wow, you just keep the idiocy and meaningless drivel going even while share-market capitalism dies in its bottomless ditch of corruption, debt and laziness.  definition of share-market capitalism - "work someone to death and not pay them, Print Money -  keep doing this."

blah blah blah blah

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:08pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 4:02pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:56pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./... Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded. Wow, you just keep the idiocy and meaningless drivel going even while share-market capitalism dies in its bottomless ditch of corruption, debt and laziness.  definition of share-market capitalism - "work someone to death and not pay them, Print Money -  keep doing this." Even if capitalism collapsed tomorrow, you'd still be the same useless obese loafer you've always been, only then you'd have to rely on your own merit to sruvive, rather than the welfare those capitalist pigs throw at you to preserve your miserable existence.  I'd give you 48 hours, max.

Unlike you,I am ethical a hard working working person and in a sane system, I would be doing jest fine, you of course would never work.  If and when i die, I will always know that and that share market capitalists are useless thieving parasites who failed.  i am watching you fail and I am loving it./

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 4:08pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 4:02pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:56pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./... Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded. Wow, you just keep the idiocy and meaningless drivel going even while share-market capitalism dies in its bottomless ditch of corruption, debt and laziness.  definition of share-market capitalism - "work someone to death and not pay them, Print Money -  keep doing this." Even if capitalism collapsed tomorrow, you'd still be the same useless obese loafer you've always been, only then you'd have to rely on your own merit to sruvive, rather than the welfare those capitalist pigs throw at you to preserve your miserable existence.  I'd give you 48 hours, max. Unlike you,I am ethical a hard working working person and in a sane system, I would be doing jest fine, you of course would never work.  If and when i die, I will always know that and that share market capitalists are useless thieving parasites who failed.  i am watching you fail and I am loving it./

Yes, under a sane system, jobless moochers wouldn't grow to 300kg.

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:13pm:

Unlike you,I am ethical a hard working working person and in a sane system, I would be doing jest fine, you of course would never work.  If and when i die, I will always know that and that share market capitalists are useless thieving parasites who failed.  i am watching you fail and I am loving it./

You must be the only person in Australia that has a job and therefore a super fund that has never had any exposure to the share market. The rest of Austrlia's workers are the filthy share market capitalist that you so dispise.

Unless of course you are full of sh1t, i'm think the later.  ;D

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 4:26pm:

corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 4:13pm: ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 4:08pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 4:02pm: BigOl64 wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:56pm: corporate_whitey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 3:37pm: Ok, let me put it this way, you are a dumb 'rse crook with no skill yes you support share market capitalism (organised crime) so everything I said to you is relevant.  You can stay in denial all you like, but share market capitalism is screwed and we are not helping, we are ROFLMAO./... Blah, blah, blah; socialism is done as a failed experiment, you need to get over it and realise you are a political has-been. Stop acting like you're part of the majority; you are a lonely little man striking out at an indifferent world. Maybe if you had a life you might be less angry and definitely less deluded. Wow, you just keep the idiocy and meaningless drivel going even while share-market capitalism dies in its bottomless ditch of corruption, debt and laziness.  definition of share-market capitalism - "work someone to death and not pay them, Print Money -  keep doing this." Even if capitalism collapsed tomorrow, you'd still be the same useless obese loafer you've always been, only then you'd have to rely on your own merit to sruvive, rather than the welfare those capitalist pigs throw at you to preserve your miserable existence.  I'd give you 48 hours, max. Unlike you,I am ethical a hard working working person and in a sane system, I would be doing jest fine, you of course would never work.  If and when i die, I will always know that and that share market capitalists are useless thieving parasites who failed.  i am watching you fail and I am loving it./ Yes, under a sane system, jobless moochers wouldn't grow to 300kg.

Share-market capitalists only have themselves to blame, workers and skilled people don't owe you anything and don't need you, the only thing you are good at is stealing and running good businesses into the ground.

He's just an aspirational tool who thinks that by identifying with the uber riche he will one day pupate and emerge to fly and live like they do in the movies  ;D :'(

WHO ME?

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 5:49pm:

WHO ME?

Who the cap fits. Look, why go CW? He's not ripping you off? And a lot of what he's said makes sense. I wonder if you realise how close the financial system is to completely tanking?

Grey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:01pm:

... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:49pm: WHO ME? Who the cap fits. Look, why go CW? He's not ripping you off? And a lot of what he's said makes sense. I wonder if you realise how close the financial system is to completely tanking?

Weeeeeell I'm not a sharemarket-manipulating capitalist pig ripping anyone off either.

And as I've said before, I don't care if the financial system did tank, but work-dodging flaneurs such as corporate whitey would when their dole check didn't arrive and they had to fend for themselves.

See, capitalism is far from perfect, but the thing is that no other system will reward people who don't put in any effort whatsoever.  People who openly boast that they will NEVER work, as CW has done on numerous occasions, will be in for a big shock when there is no safety net.  I don't think they recognise that.

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:09pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:01pm: ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:49pm: WHO ME? Who the cap fits. Look, why go CW? He's not ripping you off? And a lot of what he's said makes sense. I wonder if you realise how close the financial system is to completely tanking? Weeeeeell I'm not a sharemarket-manipulating capitalist pig ripping anyone off either. And as I've said before, I don't care if the financial system did tank, but work-dodging flaneurs such as corporate whitey would when their dole check didn't arrive and they had to fend for themselves.

Well he's said that he's a hard working ethical guy. Even if he's a dole bludger he's not the cause of the strife we face. All the welfare checks ever written wouldn't fill a cavity in the tooth of the body of debt and dodgy securities we're all carrying.

Grey wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:19pm:

... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:09pm: Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:01pm: ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:49pm: WHO ME? Who the cap fits. Look, why go CW? He's not ripping you off? And a lot of what he's said makes sense. I wonder if you realise how close the financial system is to completely tanking? Weeeeeell I'm not a sharemarket-manipulating capitalist pig ripping anyone off either. And as I've said before, I don't care if the financial system did tank, but work-dodging flaneurs such as corporate whitey would when their dole check didn't arrive and they had to fend for themselves. Well he's said that he's a hard working ethical guy. Even if he's a dole bludger he's not the cause of the strife we face. All the welfare checks ever written wouldn't fill a cavity in the tooth of the body of debt and dodgy securities we're all carrying.

LOL.  he has openly stated several times that he refuses to work a single day ever again, and then has the nerve to claim he is hard working and ethical.  

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:23pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:19pm: ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:09pm: Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:01pm: ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:49pm: WHO ME? Who the cap fits. Look, why go CW? He's not ripping you off? And a lot of what he's said makes sense. I wonder if you realise how close the financial system is to completely tanking? Weeeeeell I'm not a sharemarket-manipulating capitalist pig ripping anyone off either. And as I've said before, I don't care if the financial system did tank, but work-dodging flaneurs such as corporate whitey would when their dole check didn't arrive and they had to fend for themselves. Well he's said that he's a hard working ethical guy. Even if he's a dole bludger he's not the cause of the strife we face. All the welfare checks ever written wouldn't fill a cavity in the tooth of the body of debt and dodgy securities we're all carrying. LOL.  he has openly stated several times that he refuses to work a single day ever again, and then has the nerve to claim he is hard working and ethical.

Oh well, he'll have to explain that :-) You're stocking up the basement with guns and ammo I take it?  ;D

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:09pm:

Grey wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:01pm: ... wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:49pm: WHO ME? Who the cap fits. Look, why go CW? He's not ripping you off? And a lot of what he's said makes sense. I wonder if you realise how close the financial system is to completely tanking? Weeeeeell I'm not a sharemarket-manipulating capitalist pig ripping anyone off either. And as I've said before, I don't care if the financial system did tank, but work-dodging flaneurs such as corporate whitey would when their dole check didn't arrive and they had to fend for themselves. See, capitalism is far from perfect, but the thing is that no other system will reward people who don't put in any effort whatsoever.  People who openly boast that they will NEVER work, as CW has done on numerous occasions, will be in for a big shock when there is no safety net.  I don't think they recognise that.

Work dodgers - this is what useless Shareholder Capitalists (Convict Overseers) call people they have flogged, downsized, bashed and driven to an early grave with their organised economic aggression, greed and sense of entitlement to productivity and profits.  Remember - shareholder capitalists wouldn't work if their life depended on it and they certainly do not believe in paying people for labor and skills, they are thieves and pirates - they are going they way of the do do - bye bye numb nutz,

How could someone not care if the financial system did tank?

Do you not have family?

Isn't there someone you care about?

Do you actually understand the ramifications of the whole system tanking?

I'm as prepared as anyone can possibly be, but I still care. I don't want to see people suffer like they did in the Great Depression, and it could be a whole lot worse this time around.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 6:50pm:

How could someone not care if the financial system did tank? Do you not have family? Isn't there someone you care about? Do you actually understand the ramifications of the whole system tanking? I'm as prepared as anyone can possibly be, but I still care. I don't want to see people suffer like they did in the Great Depression, and it could be a whole lot worse this time around.

Why?  Because whatever system we live under there is one thing that will see you through - ability.  And as long as I've got food, water and a home for my family and I, we will be just fine.  
Im just a working pleb like you, but rather than bitch and moan that someone I'll never meet has more money than I do, I just focus on what I DO have, which is everything I need and more.  

You are naive, Wesley.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 7:09pm:

You are naive, Wesley.

I have confidence in my ability to adapt.

But say I am naive - please do help and enlighten me.  

Ok so saying "I dont care" is a bit strong.  Lets temper that by saying "I don't care as much as the masses (including you) will." ironically, and perhaps tragically, the ones wishing it on will probably fare the worst.

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1322524851/0#2 date=1322533032][quote author=culldav link=1322524851/0#1 date=1322530772]There is ONE major fundamental FLAW with the capitalist system, and that is; not everyone can be rich, because no one will be left to do the manual work.

If you have cash money in any bank is would be very prudent to pull it out and either invest in Australian bonds or just hide it somewhere safe.
Neither Communism, Socialism or Capitalism are any good for society if run by people without common decency.
The Rotten Systems, and is there an Alterative?

The so called Civilizations since mankind came out of the cave, or maybe came down from the trees have hardly changed over thousands of years, because we are now as brutal to each other as they were in the stone ages; the only difference is, that thousands of years ago, men fought each other with sticks and stones, and now destructive weapons are used to the point that the planet on which we live could be completely destroyed in matters of minutes, if the potent weapons, designed by very clever people, put into the hands of not so clever, so called leaders, be they Kings, Dictators or just Politicians, and none of the latter display any scruples or courage to speak up against what should be spoken up against.

But in the so called Democracy, are the Politicians only to be blamed?

If a Politician speaks honestly, if that is possible, will he/she be re-elected at the next election; most likely not, and that is the weakness of a Democracy, the citizens in a Democracy cannot accept the truth, which may go against the voters interests, be it economically or otherwise.

How could Democracy be improved so that it becomes a better system of Government than all the other systems that preceded it?

Considering the previous systems, Be they Oligarchies, Royalties, Plutocracies  or Communism.

The first three are only for the benefit of the few, based on either birth or other means, while the last would be the best, yet it completely collapsed after less than a hundred years, but why did Communism collapse so quickly?

The Capitalist always harp on the idea of being the human nature, and greed will always come out on top, when it comes to benefit humanity.

For Communism to work, the human mind has to broaden enormously, because if people think that Communism is a system made in heaven, they are very wrong, because it is obvious that if nobody is prepared to put the effort he/she is capable of, and everybody has no desire to limit their consumption, the system cannot function.

But in any system, the main problem is, that there are always people trying to usurp the leading positions, and there is nothing wrong with that as long as they are capable of being the leaders and are not just in the leading positions for their own benefit or boost their big ego.

As most of the aspiring leaders have the ability to fool the common people, by first crawling to them, and when they are in positions of power they will quickly turn around and often misuse the power vested in them.

The people in power also have the great ability of surrounding themselves with underlings who will lick the boots of their leaders, and empower the leader to overcome any attempt to challenge their leadership

Many male leaders are often also controlled by their wives or female partners and are rather weak in reality, but very cunning to outwit their opponents, but in the long run, the society with weak or unfair leaders always suffers.

In a Marriage, where a partner with less ability gains control through having a thicker skin, in the end both partners will not achieve their full potential, and this will also apply in every other Organization up to the leadership in Governments.

That does not mean that the more skillful partner in a marriage should debase his/her partner, but for the benefit of both and the community at large, fools should not be leaders, but use their skills and talents for the benefit of a family, a group or Government, and the so called Indians are just as valuable to society as are the Chiefs.

Never, never should the leaders in society be left in total position of power, but should  always be challenged  to explain and justify their actions.

Unfortunately many individuals which are prepared to challenge the leaders or the system are conveniently accused of “Rocking the Boat” or called “Whistleblowers” and many times they pay a high price for their actions.

Also the leaders of any society should not be put on a pedestal and idolized like super heroes, and when the people in power talk about serving the Community, they should really show their true colours and admit that they are not in those positions for their own ego and like to have the nose in the trough.

How many families become career politicians; now if to be a politician is such a hard and demanding task, a parent would hardly encourage their offspring to follow in their

footsteps.

One way how Democratic performance could be greatly improved would be is , instead of having the Senate and Legislative Councils, abolish them and set up Committees of interested citizens to perform the task of keeping a watch over the Governments, and they should not be paid, except being remunerated for any expenses in performing their tasks.

There could also be some risk that this committees set up to keep the “bastards honest” do not bec

When the market crashes, there is a reason shareholder investors jump out the windows - its because they are useless bludgers who believe they can own on a piece of paper capital that really represents the skill of another man.  They are nothing and when the market crumbles you will all see that.

... wrote on Nov 30^th, 2011 at 7:12pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:09pm: You are naive, Wesley. I have confidence in my ability to adapt. But say I am naive - please do help and enlighten me.

mmmmyeah didn't think I'd get a response to that.

It would take more than one sentence.

i cant stand when people try to defend corporate whitey on here. i'm not saying that capitalism is a system totally off limits to criticism (that would be absurd) but come the f*ck on. the guy is a nut and a total loser. just because what he says aligns or accords with your own beliefs to a moderate degree doesn't make it not silly to fly air cover for his corpulent arse.

because there is so much debt, taxes and they are just printing money - people will no longer be willing to accept cash as payment for their services.  Basically you are working for free for useless share market capitalist parasites and organised corporate greed and the money is worthless, its just a token of the exchange marked payment to corporate welfare.  people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders.

barnaby joe wrote on Dec 1^st, 2011 at 6:06pm:

i cant stand when people try to defend corporate whitey on here. i'm not saying that capitalism is a system totally off limits to criticism (that would be absurd) but come the f*ck on. the guy is a nut and a total loser. just because what he says aligns or accords with your own beliefs to a moderate degree doesn't make it not silly to fly air cover for his corpulent arse.

Quote:

Corporate Whitey - When the market crashes, there is a reason shareholder investors jump out the windows - its because they are useless bludgers who believe they can own on a piece of paper capital that really represents the skill of another man.  They are nothing and when the market crumbles you will all see that.

You have a problem with that? <shrugs>  Actually that pretty well emulates a Rastafarian belief, "Don't take from what another person does." I don't have a problem with that, I think it's a sound principle.

I object when CW is coping more flack than the unscrupulous arseholes who've created the worlds financial instability. Which brings another Rastafarian tenet to mind :-)

"Teach the youth so that they know where to put their blame."

With the whole financial system about to tank why waste time criticising CW? Crazy or not he seems to have more of a handle on what's going on than most others here.

Anyway I don't fly cover for him. I've criticised him in the past and probably will do again. Like everybody here it's a post by post response from me.

But for you I'll make an exception  ;D

<< people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders. >>
....................................................................

I agree with this. As we go deeper into the recession/depression people will trend toward cottage industry and small community groups where they can exchange/barter for their daily needs.

It's a good system that worked well in the past. I'm not saying it will be a system that the western world would take on long term, but at least until paper money loses its appeal, or loses its position in the scheme of things.

It might be fanciful, but I can see us going back to small communities where we pull together more, where we help and support each other.

The planet can no longer support the wastefulness that we have got used to over the last 50 years. The throw away world of today will be replaced by a recycle/reuse world. We might even start making things that can be fixed when they break down instead of being dumped into third world countries.

One thing for sure, we can't keep going/growing as we have been.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:23am:

<< people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders. >> .................................................................... I agree with this. As we go deeper into the recession/depression people will trend toward cottage industry and small community groups where they can exchange/barter for their daily needs. It's a good system that worked well in the past. I'm not saying it will be a system that the western world would take on long term, but at least until paper money loses its appeal, or loses its position in the scheme of things. It might be fanciful, but I can see us going back to small communities where we pull together more, where we help and support each other. The planet can no longer support the wastefulness that we have got used to over the last 50 years. The throw away world of today will be replaced by a recycle/reuse world. We might even start making things that can be fixed when they break down instead of being dumped into third world countries. One thing for sure, we can't keep going/growing as we have been.

pansi they probably said that 100 years ago.. we are most definately in the fastlane and I doubt theres any turning back however we do need to teach basic fundamentals.. like value..treat everything especially money with value...when we talk about a throw away world.. we also throw away money.. its incredible to see the trash we buy in the name of musthaves..it is soon discarded for the next model..I know someone who has 4 mobil phones... WHY??.. we are now paranoid if we leave a room withought a phone..yet for the most part we dont even use it to speak to each other..

we are spending billion on a communication system NBN that will make it even less of a bother to leave ones house... it will even monitor the chronically sick I am led to believe..well thats a lot to look forward too.

I think!

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:23am: << people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders. >> .................................................................... I agree with this. As we go deeper into the recession/depression people will trend toward cottage industry and small community groups where they can exchange/barter for their daily needs. It's a good system that worked well in the past. I'm not saying it will be a system that the western world would take on long term, but at least until paper money loses its appeal, or loses its position in the scheme of things. It might be fanciful, but I can see us going back to small communities where we pull together more, where we help and support each other. The planet can no longer support the wastefulness that we have got used to over the last 50 years. The throw away world of today will be replaced by a recycle/reuse world. We might even start making things that can be fixed when they break down instead of being dumped into third world countries. One thing for sure, we can't keep going/growing as we have been. pansi they probably said that 100 years ago.. we are most definately in the fastlane and I doubt theres any turning back however we do need to teach basic fundamentals.. like value..treat everything especially money with value...when we talk about a throw away world.. we also throw away money.. its incredible to see the trash we buy in the name of musthaves..it is soon discarded for the next model..I know someone who has 4 mobil phones... WHY??.. we are now paranoid if we leave a room withought a phone..yet for the most part we dont even use it to speak to each other.. we are spending billion on a communication system NBN that will make it even less of a bother to leave ones house... it will even monitor the chronically sick I am led to believe..well thats a lot to look forward too. I think!

I don't think we will turn back to pre electronic age. I think we will go through a phase of slowing down and taking a look at what's more important in life.

People are working harder and longer and are much unhappier.

Why?

I think it's the exponential dollar chasing that is causing so much stress. The never ending competition for better, bigger, more expensive stuff.



Anyway, I also have another completely opposing scenario that could come out of the Great Disruption.

Governments are getting more controlling as people are protesting.

It could get to the point where people only interact with each other via the computer. People might become more isolated and live in a fantasy land of facebook etc. where they are safe from the harm of undemocratic government intervention/strict regime.

I do expect that peaceful assembly will be a crime of terrorism in the future. They are trying to get it passed in America, and we will surely copy.

Anyway all ideas are good, even 'out there' ones.

their economic strategy is importing skills and flogging dirt how can they possible delude themselves that they are sound economic managers?

corporate_whitey wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 10:11am:

their economic strategy is importing skills and flogging dirt how can they possible delude themselves that they are sound economic managers?

yes, and your economic strategy is stuffing your face with bacon grease so you can get on the DSP for obesity.  How can you possibly delude yourself that is a sound strategy?

... wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 10:16am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 10:11am: their economic strategy is importing skills and flogging dirt how can they possible delude themselves that they are sound economic managers? yes, and your economic strategy is stuffing your face with bacon grease so you can get on the DSP for obesity.  How can you possibly delude yourself that is a sound strategy?

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

cods wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 6:47am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Dec 2nd, 2011 at 6:23am: << people will increasingly be exchanging services in barter as confidence in the global financial system collapses and with it the unnecessary element in the market exchange - shareholders. >> .................................................................... I agree with this. As we go deeper into the recession/depression people will trend toward cottage industry and small community groups where they can exchange/barter for their daily needs. It's a good system that worked well in the past. I'm not saying it will be a system that the western world would take on long term, but at least until paper money loses its appeal, or loses its position in the scheme of things. It might be fanciful, but I can see us going back to small communities where we pull together more, where we help and support each other. The planet can no longer support the wastefulness that we have got used to over the last 50 years. The throw away world of today will be replaced by a recycle/reuse world. We might even start making things that can be fixed when they break down instead of being dumped into third world countries. One thing for sure, we can't keep going/growing as we have been. pansi they probably said that 100 years ago.. we are most definately in the fastlane and I doubt theres any turning back however we do need to teach basic fundamentals.. like value..treat everything especially money with value...when we talk about a throw away world.. we also throw away money.. its incredible to see the trash we buy in the name of musthaves..it is soon discarded for the next model..I know someone who has 4 mobil phones... WHY??.. we are now paranoid if we leave a room withought a phone..yet for the most part we dont even use it to speak to each other.. we are spending billion on a communication system NBN that will make it even less of a bother to leave ones house... it will even monitor the chronically sick I am led to believe..well thats a lot to look forward too. I think!

Therefore, I am!

However, there are few other certainties in life!

Whilst many things may seem apparent and even guaranteed truths, at a particular point in time, we should not assume that they are, because it may or may not, happen the way we, they or it, is envisaged!  

That said, at this point in time, the odds are growing (quickly), that WE can't keep growing exponentially OR even for the next decade or two?

I would suggest that the "throw away world", may soon be thrown away, as WE ARE NOW QUICKLY APPROACHING LIMITS OF NATURE, WHICH CAN NOT BE IGNORED!

And, along with that, will come many changes, including Economic & Political.

I threw out my nice brushed steel blue light electric kettle yesterday, it'd just stopped working. That's the second for the year, at work we're on the sixth. the last one tripped out all the 'puters.

I remenber when electric jugs were china and lasted forever, unless you burnt them dry and even then you could just buy a new element. Cooking water, it's not rocket science.  :(

Grey wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2011 at 12:07pm:

I threw out my nice brushed steel blue light electric kettle yesterday, it'd just stopped working. That's the second for the year, at work we're on the sixth. the last one tripped out all the 'puters. I remenber when electric jugs were china and lasted forever, unless you burnt them dry and even then you could just buy a new element. Cooking water, it's not rocket science.  :(

You still see those old crockery jugs in op shops and at garage sales, but I don't think you'd find an element anywhere now.


I haven't had an electric kettle last for the 12 months yet. I was sick of getting a new one every six months, so now I photocopy the receipt, keep the box and get a new one every time it 'blows'.

Remember the tv and video machine repair shop?......gone, chuck it and buy a new one, and the junk piles up.

We can't make things that last, that won't keep the wheels of production turning.

they are having fail after fail to save the euro, we need to be looking towards a post globalized economy when - not if the share market collapses.  Shareholders should be excluded from the reconstruction of the economy and made to get a useful skill or find work.  I don't want to see any form of organised corporate greed and economic aggression parasitism tolerated when their system goes pair shaped.  engaging in shareholder trading or gambling rackets should be criminalized.