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Message started by imcrookonit on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:47am

Title: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by imcrookonit on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:47am
MOTHERS who give birth before September 1 will beat a $437 cut to the baby bonus being imposed by the Government to help deliver its promised Budget surplus.   :)

Treasurer Wayne Swan yesterday said the bonus for stay-at-home parents would be cut from $5437 to $5000 and then be frozen for three years to save the Budget $358 million.

There is no change to the paid parental leave scheme for working parents, worth about $590 a week before tax for up to 18 weeks.

Was Swan right to reduce the baby bonus? Have your say below

The surprise cut to the baby bonus came as Mr Swan also said foreigners would pay more for visas and $2.1 billion worth of promised tax breaks, including incentives for savings, would be delayed.   :)

The Government will take a $1.5 billion axe to the public service, which Finance Minister Penny Wong said would mean slashing travel, consultants, hospitality and advertising, but unions said could mean 3000 job losses.



Thanks for voting!
Do you agree with the decision to slash the baby bonus?

   Yes 63.64% (84 votes)
   No 36.36% (48 votes)

Total votes: 132


Mr Swan unveiled net cuts to spending of $6.8 billion as he revealed a $15 billion blow-out in the deficit for this financial year to $37 billion due to Europe's financial turmoil causing "storm clouds on the global horizon" and weaker economic growth.

Mr Swan insisted the cuts were "fair and equitable" as he revealed the $3.5 billion surplus he announced six months ago for 2012-13 would be now just a wafer-thin $1.5 billion. Economists warned it could easily be wiped out.

The Treasurer rejected suggestions he had inflicted pain and brought forward some spending and delayed other outlays just to meet a political promise to deliver a surplus.

He said it was important to send a message to the world that Australia had a strong economy

But, despite the pressure on the Budget, the Government made no change to the Gold Pass free travel scheme for retired politicians, although Special Minister of State Gary Gray said he wanted to scrap it because it was"an unjustifiable perk".

The Budget update revealed economic growth is tipped to be 3.25 per cent, down from the 4 per cent expected six months ago. The jobless rate is tipped to rise from 5.2 to 5.5 per cent.

Mr Swan said while unemployment would "tick up a little", it was much lower than the 9-10 per cent jobless rates in the US and Europe, and in Spain, where 50 per cent of young people were out of work.

Mr Swan was buoyed by ratings agency Fitch upgrading Australia to AAA, the same level as Moodys and Standard & Poor's.

He defended cutting the baby bonus, saying it had risen from $3000 just a few years ago and it was time to "reset" it to make the payment sustainable over time.   :)

He said the change would not happen until September "so people clearly know what it is going to be in nine months' time".

The Government defended its record for families saying this year it had introduced paid parental leave, increased family benefits for parents with kids aged 16-19 and delivered more childcare assistance.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott attacked the change to the baby bonus.

"This is a rip-off of the forgotten families of Australia. Let's not forget that the baby bonus is there to help stay-at-home mums and I think this is a Government which has never had much respect for the stay-at-home mums," he said.

Opposition finance spokesman Andrew Robb accused the Government of creating an "illusory surplus".

But the Opposition refused to say if it would oppose any of the cuts or announce what savings it would make to deliver its promises.   :(

hudsonp@heraldsun.com.au

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by imcrookonit on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:50am
Do you agree with the decision to slash the baby bonus?

  Yes 63.64% (84 votes)
  No 36.36% (48 votes)

Yes I certainly do agree.   [smiley=thumbsup.gif]    

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by BigOl64 on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:34am




Anything that halts or at least slows the feral breeding program is a good thing.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:44am
The government should cut the baby bonus down to zero let alone to $5000.
People should not be paid to have children.
It's a couples choice to have children, no-one elses, they should fund the baby and not the taxpayer.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by perceptions_now on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:55am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:44am:
The government should cut the baby bonus down to zero let alone to $5000.
People should not be paid to have children.
It's a couples choice to have children, no-one elses, they should fund the baby and not the taxpayer.


As I have said previously, the Baby Bonus is not appropriate and should be scrapped.

However, this is only the opening shot, in what will be a long process and a great deal more will follow, in many areas, not just the Baby Bounus!

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by pansi1951 on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:11am
Hopefully, as time goes by they will cut out ALL wealthfare. Parental leave is a waste of money. Whenever do people get paid not to work.

Government assistance should be only for those who need it to survive.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by Doctor Jolly on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:14am
Its going to take some time to unwind the howard middle class welfare.

This must be the waste that Abbott keeps banging on about.

Howard sure left a poor legacy.
He not only starved infrastructure investment because of his obsession with suprluses (over taxation), but stripped infrastructure spending to fund middle class welfare.

A very poor government.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by Verge on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:14am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:44am:
The government should cut the baby bonus down to zero let alone to $5000.
People should not be paid to have children.
It's a couples choice to have children, no-one elses, they should fund the baby and not the taxpayer.


Who do you think is paying for the paid maternity leave scheme?

And $580 x 20 weeks is $11,600, yep, by the tax payer.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by Belgarion on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:20am

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:44am:
The government should cut the baby bonus down to zero let alone to $5000.
People should not be paid to have children.
It's a couples choice to have children, no-one elses, they should fund the baby and not the taxpayer.


Agreed.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Nov 30th, 2011 at 11:00am

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:14am:
Its going to take some time to unwind the howard middle class welfare.

This must be the waste that Abbott keeps banging on about.

Howard sure left a poor legacy.
He not only starved infrastructure investment because of his obsession with suprluses (over taxation), but stripped infrastructure spending to fund middle class welfare.

A very poor government.


And that's why the Coalition was voted back in so many times.
Because they were a 'very poor government'?
Methinks your out of step with history.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by chicken_lipsforme on Nov 30th, 2011 at 11:03am

Verge wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:14am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:44am:
The government should cut the baby bonus down to zero let alone to $5000.
People should not be paid to have children.
It's a couples choice to have children, no-one elses, they should fund the baby and not the taxpayer.


Who do you think is paying for the paid maternity leave scheme?

And $580 x 20 weeks is $11,600, yep, by the tax payer.


Well that too is another great way for the government to fritter away tax payers money, that should be stopped as well.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by it_is_the_truth on Nov 30th, 2011 at 11:07am
If, as we are constantly told, we need more people in this country, it makes sense to 'grow our own'  so I have no problem offering a small incentive.  That said, a cut of ~$400 each, for a total projected saving of ~$350 million is a drop in the ocean.  

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by Gist on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:13pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 11:00am:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:14am:
Its going to take some time to unwind the howard middle class welfare.

This must be the waste that Abbott keeps banging on about.

Howard sure left a poor legacy.
He not only starved infrastructure investment because of his obsession with suprluses (over taxation), but stripped infrastructure spending to fund middle class welfare.

A very poor government.


And that's why the Coalition was voted back in so many times.
Because they were a 'very poor government'?
Methinks your out of step with history.


I think at least one of those times it was really because Labor was such a poor opposition. Libs are facing the same problem today.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by salad in on Nov 30th, 2011 at 6:39pm

wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 5:47am:
MOTHERS who give birth before September 1 will beat a $437 cut to the baby bonus being imposed by the Government to help deliver its promised Budget surplus.   :)


Here we go again, the ALP kicking the shyte out of 'working families'. How heartless.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by bobbythebat1 on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:14pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 11:03am:

Verge wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:14am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Nov 30th, 2011 at 7:44am:
The government should cut the baby bonus down to zero let alone to $5000.
People should not be paid to have children.
It's a couples choice to have children, no-one elses, they should fund the baby and not the taxpayer.


Who do you think is paying for the paid maternity leave scheme?

And $580 x 20 weeks is $11,600, yep, by the tax payer.


Well that too is another great way for the government to fritter away tax payers money, that should be stopped as well.



It's the kind of nonsense that encourages teenage girls to have kids -
if we are silly enough to pay for them.
We now have multi-generations of feral people that will be welfare dependant forever.
It's another stupid Govt. policy which we have to pay for against our will.

Title: Re: The Government Will Cut The Baby Bonus.
Post by blackadder on Nov 30th, 2011 at 8:15pm
It's the kind of nonsense that encourages teenage girls to have kids -
if we are silly enough to pay for them.
We now have multi-generations of feral people that will be welfare dependant forever.
It's another stupid Govt. policy which we have to pay for against our will.

I don't like a number of places my taxes  go. Ex GG's and pollies for one or is that two.

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