China to levy carbon tax before 2015 - report


Jan 5 (Reuters) - China's biggest energy-consuming companies are likely to face a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions by 2015, the Xinhua-backed Economic Information Daily reported on Thursday, citing government sources.

It said proposals for a new environmental taxation system had already been submitted for review to the Ministry of Finance and were expected to be implemented before the end of the 2011-2015 five-year plan.

Drawn up by the ministry's Financial Science Research Institute, the proposals include setting up an independent tax on greenhouse gas emissions that would focus on big consumers of coal, crude oil and natural gas.

The proposals call for the tax to be levied by as early as this year, but the newspaper said economic uncertainties would likely delay the launch.

The tax would begin at a rate of 10 yuan ($1.59) per tonne of carbon dioxide, and gradually increase depending on a company's emission levels, the report said. It did not elaborate on when the higher tax bands would kick in.

The National Bureau of Statistics said late last year that it was working to set up a system to measure carbon emissions at major industrial companies, a move crucial to the country's plans to establish pilot carbon markets and a carbon tax.

The country emitted 8.33 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2010, a quarter of the global total, according to BP's annual Statistical Review of World Energy released last June.

Beijing has pledged to reduce carbon intensity -- the amount produced per unit of gross domestic product -- by 17 percent over 2011-2015, and big heavy industrial emitters will be compelled to cut CO2 produced per unit of output by more than 20 percent by the end of 2015.

China is planning to launch a series of pilot carbon markets and is also mulling a cap on overall energy and coal consumption over the 2011-2015 period. ($1 = 6.2946 yuan)       (Reporting by David Stanway; Editing by Chris Lewis)

http://tinyurl.com/82kncad


How can Abbott go to the next election wanting to repeal Australia's action on carbon when China is rolling theirs out.


Abbott is now dead politically.


Hello and Welcome Mr Turnbull.

Another Policy Greens have gotten correct. Greens' action convinced ALP and now China.

Come on Mr Turnbull, get your party to support the Greens too.

Lets all work together on the next stage, 100% real renewable energy for Australia ... ASAP



Also Australia will now be required to shift it's obsession to selling coal and coal seam gas to a sustainable economic future. Coal exports will be hit at sometime as real renewables kick in, so lets not wait until it's too late. lets start restructuring now.

Australia can now focus on our agriculture by protecting it from coal seam gas destruction and selling the land to overseas for a few shinny buttons.

Also we must halt the invasion and destruction via GM crops. For like coal seam gas, GM has not been tested. and once here, like the cane toad, it will wreck our agricultural sector.

Renewable energy targets must now be lifted and Coal Seam Gas must be removed from Labor and Liberals stupidity of changing it to a renewable to keep the coal lobby happy by marginalising the real renewables.

Happy Greens New Year :-)

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 3:13am:

Another Policy Greens have gotten correct. Greens' action convinced ALP and Now China. Come on Malcolm, back the Greens Too. Lets all work together on the next stage, 100% real renewable energy for Australia ... ASAP

No doubt you expect this to be a regressive tax so the pensioners subsidize the Government and the rich for their massive bonuses and share dividends. 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 3:34am:

____ wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 3:13am: Another Policy Greens have gotten correct. Greens' action convinced ALP and Now China. Come on Malcolm, back the Greens Too. Lets all work together on the next stage, 100% real renewable energy for Australia ... ASAP No doubt you expect this to be a regressive tax so the pensioners subsidize the Government and the rich for their massive bonuses and share dividends. 8-)

Pensioners like you will be better off in the short term and the long term.

The price increases are less than what you will receive in compensation. Also the carbon reduction will assist real renewables to kick in so reduce the pressure on continual electricity hikes. Then there is the roll on effect, more economies will start taking responsibility for their greenhouse gases so will sporn new industries that will kick start conscious geo-engineering of the world's climate. This will turn around the rush to  collapse world food production and so avoid spiralling food costs to you.

This is a win win for everyone

You won't see this on the cover of the Daily Telegraph.

GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 5:07am:

You won't see this on the cover of the Daily Telegraph.

PROBABLY TOO BUSY KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS PHONEY GOVT... TO BE CONCERNED WHAT CHINA WILL BE DOING IN 3 years time.



HE government is suffering "paralysis by analysis" after ordering more than 250 reviews, discussion papers, inquiries and advisory boards in two years, the opposition claims.

Everything from the Fair Work Act to the Australian Independent Screen Production Sector has been subject to a review or an inquiry.

AusAID and cyber crime are subject to more than one review, there have been two media inquiries and a much touted review of school funding arrangements was handed to the government last month and is due for release soon.

Gillard rejects Hawke's calls on unions

Gillard faces leadership battle in 2012

New Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten tops the list of ministers who have announced the most reviews, inquiries, discussion papers and advisory boards, with 18 investigations in two years.

His matters for examination include the review of the Fair Work Act, advisory bodies for the retail sector and a national injury insurance scheme.

He has also looked at what other economies are doing on climate, disaster insurance policies, regulation of airport services and a consultation paper on reducing red tape.

"To paraphrase Steven Spielberg - when you listen you learn, you absorb ideas, and you become better at your job than when you are just trying to be listened to all the time," Mr Shorten said.

"That is why I have spent plenty of time listening to people with a disability and their families, listening to victims of scallywag financial planners, to baby boomers who want secure retirement savings and to families who have been confused by flood insurance policies."

The Coalition's waste watch committee spokesman Jamie Briggs said the government was spinning its wheels with reviews and inquiries.

"If we thought the number of reviews under Kevin Rudd was bad, we now know it's a lot worse under Julia Gillard and would be even worse under a prime minister Bill Shorten," he said.

"While there are at times valid reasons for inquiries and reviews, the fact the government have launched so many is proof of the government's dysfunction. This government, captive of the Greens, finds it easier to announce reviews than undertake action."

A spokesman for Prime Minister Julia Gillard defended the number of reviews and inquiries: "Reviewing government operations, legislation and the impact of emerging issues is part an important part of governing.

"The government makes no apologies for seeking stakeholder, expert and community input on these matters."



INTERESTING CONCIDERING THEY WERE NOT IN THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED IN OUR INPUT ON CARBON TAX....FUNNY THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deflecting cods?


Abbott has wedged himself into going to the next election wanting to reversing Greens's action on climate change.

Now China is following the Greens.



He can not win his sky is falling spin, so now must be replaced to give liberals any chance of winning the next federal election.


Why vote in a lame duck Abbott when he will not succeed in a DD election straight after.

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 5:55am:

Deflecting cods? Abbott has wedged himself into going to the next election wanting to reversing Greens's action on climate change. Now China is following the Greens. He can not win his sky is falling spin, so now must be replaced to give liberals any chance of winning the next federal election. Why vote in a lame duck Abbott when he will not succeed in a DD election straight after.

TOTAL RUBBISH WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY DO ARE USUALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS... IN ANY CASE.. 3 YEARS FROM NOW.. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING...

a couple of years ago when you pushed the  PANIC BUTTON

you were screaming its now we have got to do it NOW>>..by the year 2013 we will be dead and gone...

now if China does something in the year 2015 its whooppee from the greens...

sorry darling I laugh in your face..

for a country that is creating more CARBON than about 6 other countries.put together . its pitiful to say the least.

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 6:02am:

____ wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:55am: Deflecting cods? Abbott has wedged himself into going to the next election wanting to reversing Greens's action on climate change. Now China is following the Greens. He can not win his sky is falling spin, so now must be replaced to give liberals any chance of winning the next federal election. Why vote in a lame duck Abbott when he will not succeed in a DD election straight after. TOTAL RUBBISH WHAT THEY SAY AND WHAT THEY DO ARE USUALLY TWO DIFFERENT THINGS... IN ANY CASE.. 3 YEARS FROM NOW.. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING... a couple of years ago when you pushed the  PANIC BUTTON you were screaming its now we have got to do it NOW>>..by the year 2013 we will be dead and gone... now if China does something in the year 2015 its whooppee from the greens... sorry darling I laugh in your face.. for a country that is creating more CARBON than about 6 other countries.put together . its pitiful to say the least.

China and India's main rivers are fed by the Himalayas  . The ice melting and retreating means that these rivers will flood and then dry up as the world warms. Agriculture in both countries will be crippled, millions of people will be refugees.

China is putting in so much effort into renewables and reducing greenhouse gasses because like Australia, China will be hit hard early.

China, if suffering the full effects of climate change would undergo major civil unrest that would probably overthrow the communist party government.

It is in China's own interest to group with the Greens and lead. India will not be far behind since their security is in keeping the Himalayas from reducing water flow from climate warming.


Abbott has read the situation wrong and now his political career is dead, buried and cremated.

Ding Dong The Abbott Is Dead.

didnt your lot get it wrong with the 2013 predictions...LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

<<Lets all work together on the next stage, 100% real renewable energy for Australia ... ASAP >>
................................................................

Renewable energy is the next BIG industry. The world will take it on in a frenzy of competition for new and improved ways to get energy with minimum pollution.

The race is on.

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 6:20am:

didnt your lot get it wrong with the 2013 predictions...LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

No, Abbott will lose ground because he wedged himself.


It just happened a year earlier.

sorry, should of posted in euthanasia thread

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 3:04am:

China to levy carbon tax before 2015 - report Jan 5 (Reuters) - China's biggest energy-consuming companies are likely to face a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions by 2015, the Xinhua-backed Economic Information Daily reported on Thursday, citing government sources. It said proposals for a new environmental taxation system had already been submitted for review to the Ministry of Finance and were expected to be implemented before the end of the 2011-2015 five-year plan. Drawn up by the ministry's Financial Science Research Institute, the proposals include setting up an independent tax on greenhouse gas emissions that would focus on big consumers of coal, crude oil and natural gas. The proposals call for the tax to be levied by as early as this year, but the newspaper said economic uncertainties would likely delay the launch. The tax would begin at a rate of 10 yuan ($1.59) per tonne of carbon dioxide, and gradually increase depending on a company's emission levels, the report said. It did not elaborate on when the higher tax bands would kick in. The National Bureau of Statistics said late last year that it was working to set up a system to measure carbon emissions at major industrial companies, a move crucial to the country's plans to establish pilot carbon markets and a carbon tax. The country emitted 8.33 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2010, a quarter of the global total, according to BP's annual Statistical Review of World Energy released last June. Beijing has pledged to reduce carbon intensity -- the amount produced per unit of gross domestic product -- by 17 percent over 2011-2015, and big heavy industrial emitters will be compelled to cut CO2 produced per unit of output by more than 20 percent by the end of 2015. China is planning to launch a series of pilot carbon markets and is also mulling a cap on overall energy and coal consumption over the 2011-2015 period. ($1 = 6.2946 yuan)       (Reporting by David Stanway; Editing by Chris Lewis) http://tinyurl.com/82kncad How can Abbott go to the next election wanting to repeal Australia's action on carbon when China is rolling theirs out. Abbott is now dead politically. Hello and Welcome Mr Turnbull.

This is a China 'is gunna' post green.
They haven't actually done anything yet and could very well decide to do nothing.
And Abbotts future does not rest on the air tax, is rests on Labors ability to make good policy and implement them well.
Something Labor is yet to do.
And whilst Labors border protection policy is being managed by foreign criminal people smugglers, and boats are sinking at sea, Abbott will still have much to malign the government over.
Labor cannot help but stuff something up.
They are the Keystone Kops of politics in the 21st century. :)

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 6:24am:

cods wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 6:20am: didnt your lot get it wrong with the 2013 predictions...LOL. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No, Abbott will lose ground because he wedged himself. It just happened a year earlier.

its stupid booby thats wedged himself...

lets have a poll who do you want for PM>. Brown or Abbott... ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D.. dare you.

Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote
Another Policy Greens have gotten correct. Greens' action convinced ALP and now China.


The greens convinced China???

PLEASE!!!!

No, Abbott will lose ground because he wedged himself.


The only thing wedged is between Bob Browns cheeks and I don't mean face cheeks..............maybe I do.

You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads.

BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right.

China $1.59/tonne
Australia $23/tonne

sounds a lot like a carbon tax that tells the world 'we have a carbon tax' while doing absolutely noting at all.

and as usual, the Greens fell for it.

The tax would begin at a rate of 10 yuan ($1.59) per tonne of carbon dioxide, and gradually increase depending on a company's emission levels

China is planning to launch a series of pilot carbon markets and is also mulling a cap on overall energy and coal consumption over the 2011-2015 period.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-01-06/china-eu-airline-emissions-tax/3761122?section=business

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

China $1.59/tonne Australia $23/tonne sounds a lot like a carbon tax that tells the world 'we have a carbon tax' while doing absolutely noting at all. and as usual, the Greens fell for it.

Or China is setting up the mechanism ... meanwhile Abbott has signed his death warrant. Now will the Libs die with him, or will they cut him lose.

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 11:46am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 8:18am: China $1.59/tonne Australia $23/tonne sounds a lot like a carbon tax that tells the world 'we have a carbon tax' while doing absolutely noting at all. and as usual, the Greens fell for it. Or China is setting up the mechanism ... meanwhile Abbott has signed his death warrant. Now will the Libs die with him, or will they cut him lose.

It is funny to see that a 10%er like the greens voters, thinks that Abbott and the  liberals, that are popular all the while stating their kill the bill policy against the carbon tax, can come on here like a fool and state that liberals are gone because of the kill the bill against the carbon tax.

The real world is outside of your mum's basement kiddo.

China's gunna.......honest! ;)

PMSL

FriYAY wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 12:23pm:

China's gunna.......honest! ;) PMSL

Yup.
China's gunna do this and there gunna do that.
The world is chockas full of gunnas. ;D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 1:13pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 12:23pm: China's gunna.......honest! ;) PMSL Yup. China's gunna do this and there gunna do that. The world is chockas full of gunnas. ;D

Conservatives see the world through their party's eyes and think the rest of the world are the liars their ayatolla abbott is.

Greens have revealed what a fool Abbott is by giving him enough rope and then sitting back while Mr Negative tied the noose.

Ding Dong Abbott is Dead.

---

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 1:13pm: FriYAY wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 12:23pm: China's gunna.......honest! ;) PMSL Yup. China's gunna do this and there gunna do that. The world is chockas full of gunnas. ;D Conservatives see the world through their party's eyes and think the rest of the world are the liars their ayatolla abbott is. Greens have revealed what a fool Abbott is by giving him enough rope and then sitting back while Mr Negative tied the noose. Ding Dong Abbott is Dead.

So Abbott is dead on his POPULAR policy. Go figure. I thought I had heard all the stupid remarks possible, but you take the cake for illogical political analysis.

Cream Green Dreamers, yous dunno much does yous.

Surely yous endangered worm worshippers can komphrehend what China's incentive is or reason to strive is ?

China's motivation to move is to CONTROL POLLUTION as they have a massive pollution problem. Now before yous rush up and dive into the endangered frog pond, POLLUTION is NOT caused by CO2, it is caused largely by motor vehicle unburnt fuel plus SO2 + CO + some other bits and pieces. The pollution SMOG is so bad that in the busy cities that one can barely see across the street - now that is bad. Also a lot of their rivers are pretty crook. As a lot of China is very cold they would not mind a bit of warming.

China will, of course, encourage delusional loonies like Prime Minister Bob Brown and the Communist Greens to proceed at full speed towards economic destruction and they will happily produce as much "green" stuff as Bob etc can eat and they will be more than happy to accept money from the ETS racket to absorb CO2 into some forest or other which may not even actually exist.

Make the most of what's left of your time because, after the next election, your heroes will be looking for a new job after hordes of them lose their seats. The Communist Greens will soon follow at the double dissolution and, finally, the sunshine of intelligent and competent government will again shine through bathing Australia in glorious prosperity. The solar panels should work pretty good too.

____ wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 3:04am:

China to levy carbon tax before 2015 - report Jan 5 (Reuters) - China's biggest energy-consuming companies are likely to face a direct tax on carbon dioxide emissions by 2015, the Xinhua-backed Economic Information Daily reported on Thursday, citing government sources. It said proposals for a new environmental taxation system had already been submitted for review to the Ministry of Finance and were expected to be implemented before the end of the 2011-2015 five-year plan. Drawn up by the ministry's Financial Science Research Institute, the proposals include setting up an independent tax on greenhouse gas emissions that would focus on big consumers of coal, crude oil and natural gas. The proposals call for the tax to be levied by as early as this year, but the newspaper said economic uncertainties would likely delay the launch. The tax would begin at a rate of 10 yuan ($1.59) per tonne of carbon dioxide, and gradually increase depending on a company's emission levels, the report said. It did not elaborate on when the higher tax bands would kick in. The National Bureau of Statistics said late last year that it was working to set up a system to measure carbon emissions at major industrial companies, a move crucial to the country's plans to establish pilot carbon markets and a carbon tax. The country emitted 8.33 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide in 2010, a quarter of the global total, according to BP's annual Statistical Review of World Energy released last June. Beijing has pledged to reduce carbon intensity -- the amount produced per unit of gross domestic product -- by 17 percent over 2011-2015, and big heavy industrial emitters will be compelled to cut CO2 produced per unit of output by more than 20 percent by the end of 2015. China is planning to launch a series of pilot carbon markets and is also mulling a cap on overall energy and coal consumption over the 2011-2015 period. ($1 = 6.2946 yuan)       (Reporting by David Stanway; Editing by Chris Lewis) http://tinyurl.com/82kncad How can Abbott go to the next election wanting to repeal Australia's action on carbon when China is rolling theirs out. Abbott is now dead politically. Hello and Welcome Mr Turnbull.

How can Abbott go to the next election wanting to repeal Australia's action on carbon when China is rolling theirs out.


Abbott is now dead politically.


Hello and Welcome Mr Turnbull.

I agree with most vehement force: HE IS CACTII!!

  ;) ;)

KNOCK KNOCK!!

blackadder wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 8:00am:

Alert Board Moderator about this Post! Quote Another Policy Greens have gotten correct. Greens' action convinced ALP and now China. The greens convinced China??? PLEASE!!!!

It did: it started when Kevin Rudd felt the political need to poach The Greens 60% aspirational target for 2050 prompting The Greens to then up the ante to 80%: this exemplifies the feedback mechanism of complex systems in action!

Liftoff: We have democracy!



The Greens and all their supporters should be very very proud: I KNOW I AM!!

  ;) ;) ;) ;) :o

I love you Christine Milne,.. oh, did I say that out loud!

  :D :D :D :D :D :D

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 8:04am:

You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads. BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right.

Oh, I SPOT DISINTEGRATION AMONGST THE RANKS ALREADY!

HUMPTY DUMPTY.....  :D :D :D  ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-* :-X :D ;D ;) :) :( :-? 8-)

cods wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 5:45am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:07am: You won't see this on the cover of the Daily Telegraph. PROBABLY TOO BUSY KEEPING AN EYE ON THIS PHONEY GOVT... TO BE CONCERNED WHAT CHINA WILL BE DOING IN 3 years time. HE government is suffering "paralysis by analysis" after ordering more than 250 reviews, discussion papers, inquiries and advisory boards in two years, the opposition claims. Everything from the Fair Work Act to the Australian Independent Screen Production Sector has been subject to a review or an inquiry. AusAID and cyber crime are subject to more than one review, there have been two media inquiries and a much touted review of school funding arrangements was handed to the government last month and is due for release soon. Gillard rejects Hawke's calls on unions Gillard faces leadership battle in 2012 New Workplace Relations Minister Bill Shorten tops the list of ministers who have announced the most reviews, inquiries, discussion papers and advisory boards, with 18 investigations in two years. His matters for examination include the review of the Fair Work Act, advisory bodies for the retail sector and a national injury insurance scheme. He has also looked at what other economies are doing on climate, disaster insurance policies, regulation of airport services and a consultation paper on reducing red tape. "To paraphrase Steven Spielberg - when you listen you learn, you absorb ideas, and you become better at your job than when you are just trying to be listened to all the time," Mr Shorten said. "That is why I have spent plenty of time listening to people with a disability and their families, listening to victims of scallywag financial planners, to baby boomers who want secure retirement savings and to families who have been confused by flood insurance policies." The Coalition's waste watch committee spokesman Jamie Briggs said the government was spinning its wheels with reviews and inquiries. "If we thought the number of reviews under Kevin Rudd was bad, we now know it's a lot worse under Julia Gillard and would be even worse under a prime minister Bill Shorten," he said. "While there are at times valid reasons for inquiries and reviews, the fact the government have launched so many is proof of the government's dysfunction. This government, captive of the Greens, finds it easier to announce reviews than undertake action." A spokesman for Prime Minister Julia Gillard defended the number of reviews and inquiries: "Reviewing government operations, legislation and the impact of emerging issues is part an important part of governing. "The government makes no apologies for seeking stakeholder, expert and community input on these matters." INTERESTING CONCIDERING THEY WERE NOT IN THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED IN OUR INPUT ON CARBON TAX....FUNNY THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH!,

the silver spooners are beside themselves with this turn of events!

They have some serious explaining to do and no one likes explaining themselves!!

  :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :-[ :-X ;D ;D

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 5:10pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 8:04am: You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads. BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right. Oh, I SPOT DISINTEGRATION AMONGST THE RANKS ALREADY! HUMPTY DUMPTY.....  :D :D :D  ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-* :-X :D ;D ;) :) :( :-? 8-)

Well it must be true seeing as you said it lol.

You are yet another green drongo with no political analysis ability.

At the end of the day its a regressive rightwing flat tax to subsidize the rich and screw the working class and the pensioners.  I hope Abbott repeals this because it will hit pensioners like me the hardest, at the end of the day their is no concessions at all nor exemptions. :-?

perceptions_now knows the writing is on the wall for abbott that's for dang sure!!

:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o ;D ;D ;)

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:10pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 8:04am: You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads. BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right. Oh, I SPOT DISINTEGRATION AMONGST THE RANKS ALREADY! HUMPTY DUMPTY.....  :D :D :D  ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-* :-X :D ;D ;) :) :( :-? 8-) Well it must be true seeing as you said it lol. You are yet another green drongo with no political analysis ability.

Speaking of comrads comrad



HOUSSAM ABIAD: Official Communist newspaper favourably quotes Liberal wannabe demanding the “disarming” of the US and Israel

Adelaide Liberal preselection nominee Houssam Abiad is probably the only candidate for Liberal party preselection ever favourably quoted in the “The Guardian,� the official weekly newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist).

A Liberal MP spoke to VEXNEWS, on condition of anonymity, and condemned Houssam Abiad saying “This has got to be the final straw, how did this clown ever imagine he’d get away with this? Are Downer and Pyne on drugs? None of this was disclosed, none of it, Abiad will have plenty of explaining to do on the weekend. If he gets up, he will do untold damage to the Liberal brand not just in Adelaide but across the country. An endorsement by communists is beyond a joke. Sir Robert (Menzies) would be turning in his grave.� (The Liberal party’s founder Sir Robert Menzies championed the outlawing of the Communist Party in the 1950s)

And it’s not like Houssam Abiad didn’t earn the endorsement of his Communist friends, according to its newspaper Abiad at an Adelaide rally, he described Israel as engaging in terror, attempting to “destroy� Lebanon and went on to demand the “disarming� of the United States and Israel. Few of the assembled comrades could probably have imagined less than four years after his spectacular oration that this firebrand would emerge as a candidate for preselection for a winnable seat in federal Parliament representing the Liberal party.

http://www.vexnews.com/2010/06/houssam-abiad-official-communist-newspaper-favour...

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 10:49pm:

At the end of the day its a regressive rightwing flat tax to subsidize the rich and screw the working class and the pensioners.  I hope Abbott repeals this because it will hit pensioners like me the hardest, at the end of the day their is no concessions at all nor exemptions. :-?

Yes replace climate action so reducing pressure on your rising food and electricity bills with a communist Liberal scheme to tax you and spend the money in building nuke reactors in your back yard. All to keep the uranium/nuke donations rolling in to the Liberals.

$5 and Libs will bark like a dog

____ wrote on Jan 7^th, 2012 at 12:49am:

corporate_whitey wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 10:49pm: At the end of the day its a regressive rightwing flat tax to subsidize the rich and screw the working class and the pensioners.  I hope Abbott repeals this because it will hit pensioners like me the hardest, at the end of the day their is no concessions at all nor exemptions. :-? Yes replace climate action so reducing pressure on your rising food and electricity bills with a communist Liberal scheme to tax you and spend the money in building nuke reactors in your back yard. All to keep the uranium/nuke donations rolling in to the Liberals. $5 and Libs will bark like a dog

Its better than your flat tax at any level, at least we get concessions and exemptions if we are on a Pension.  In your scam, we subsidize all of your corporate welfare club, organized greed - the 1%. 8-)

____ wrote on Jan 7^th, 2012 at 12:45am:

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 6:08pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:10pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 8:04am: You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads. BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right. Oh, I SPOT DISINTEGRATION AMONGST THE RANKS ALREADY! HUMPTY DUMPTY.....  :D :D :D  ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-* :-X :D ;D ;) :) :( :-? 8-) Well it must be true seeing as you said it lol. You are yet another green drongo with no political analysis ability. Speaking of comrads comrad HOUSSAM ABIAD: Official Communist newspaper favourably quotes Liberal wannabe demanding the “disarming” of the US and Israel Adelaide Liberal preselection nominee Houssam Abiad is probably the only candidate for Liberal party preselection ever favourably quoted in the “The Guardian,â€� the official weekly newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist). A Liberal MP spoke to VEXNEWS, on condition of anonymity, and condemned Houssam Abiad saying “This has got to be the final straw, how did this clown ever imagine he’d get away with this? Are Downer and Pyne on drugs? None of this was disclosed, none of it, Abiad will have plenty of explaining to do on the weekend. If he gets up, he will do untold damage to the Liberal brand not just in Adelaide but across the country. An endorsement by communists is beyond a joke. Sir Robert (Menzies) would be turning in his grave.â€� (The Liberal party’s founder Sir Robert Menzies championed the outlawing of the Communist Party in the 1950s) And it’s not like Houssam Abiad didn’t earn the endorsement of his Communist friends, according to its newspaper Abiad at an Adelaide rally, he described Israel as engaging in terror, attempting to “destroyâ€� Lebanon and went on to demand the “disarmingâ€� of the United States and Israel. Few of the assembled comrades could probably have imagined less than four years after his spectacular oration that this firebrand would emerge as a candidate for preselection for a winnable seat in federal Parliament representing the Liberal party. http://www.vexnews.com/2010/06/houssam-abiad-official-communist-newspaper-favour...

Just what the liberals need. A greens freak pretending to be a liberal.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 7^th, 2012 at 1:37am:

____ wrote on Jan 7th, 2012 at 12:45am: progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 6:08pm: BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:10pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 8:04am: You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads. BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right. Oh, I SPOT DISINTEGRATION AMONGST THE RANKS ALREADY! HUMPTY DUMPTY.....  :D :D :D  ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-* :-X :D ;D ;) :) :( :-? 8-) Well it must be true seeing as you said it lol. You are yet another green drongo with no political analysis ability. Speaking of comrads comrad HOUSSAM ABIAD: Official Communist newspaper favourably quotes Liberal wannabe demanding the “disarming” of the US and Israel Adelaide Liberal preselection nominee Houssam Abiad is probably the only candidate for Liberal party preselection ever favourably quoted in the “The Guardian,â€� the official weekly newspaper of the Communist Party of Australia (Marxist-Leninist). A Liberal MP spoke to VEXNEWS, on condition of anonymity, and condemned Houssam Abiad saying “This has got to be the final straw, how did this clown ever imagine he’d get away with this? Are Downer and Pyne on drugs? None of this was disclosed, none of it, Abiad will have plenty of explaining to do on the weekend. If he gets up, he will do untold damage to the Liberal brand not just in Adelaide but across the country. An endorsement by communists is beyond a joke. Sir Robert (Menzies) would be turning in his grave.â€� (The Liberal party’s founder Sir Robert Menzies championed the outlawing of the Communist Party in the 1950s) And it’s not like Houssam Abiad didn’t earn the endorsement of his Communist friends, according to its newspaper Abiad at an Adelaide rally, he described Israel as engaging in terror, attempting to “destroyâ€� Lebanon and went on to demand the “disarmingâ€� of the United States and Israel. Few of the assembled comrades could probably have imagined less than four years after his spectacular oration that this firebrand would emerge as a candidate for preselection for a winnable seat in federal Parliament representing the Liberal party. http://www.vexnews.com/2010/06/houssam-abiad-official-communist-newspaper-favour... Just what the liberals need. A greens freak pretending to be a liberal.

Perfect Deputy to Comrad Turnbull ... Give this guy Politically Deceased Abbott's Electorate. That part of Sydney loves commies.

Got back in the country yesterday and I was surprised to see how fit and healthy Turnbull looked on the telly last night.
He certainly looks like he is changing his image so he can have a go at rolling Abbott before the next election..if he does the Libs will get my vote.
Only an idiot would vote for Abbott or Gillard if they had another choice.

progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 5:10pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jan 6th, 2012 at 8:04am: You would have thought that a communist country would tax their people first using the environment as an excuse. Guess Australia and the labor party are well ahead of their comrads. BTW, just because China does something, does not make it right and as we know about the failed climate change freaks, following a fraud is never right. Oh, I SPOT DISINTEGRATION AMONGST THE RANKS ALREADY! HUMPTY DUMPTY.....  :D :D :D  ::) :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-[ :-* :-X :D ;D ;) :) :( :-? 8-) Well it must be true seeing as you said it lol. You are yet another green drongo with no political analysis ability.

Okeley dokeley, well that was cutting!  :o :o

adelcrow wrote on Jan 7^th, 2012 at 7:21am:

Got back in the country yesterday and I was surprised to see how fit and healthy Turnbull looked on the telly last night. He certainly looks like he is changing his image so he can have a go at rolling Abbott before the next election..if he does the Libs will get my vote. Only an idiot would vote for Abbott or Gillard if they had another choice.

Um, what did Turnbull have to say!??!  :o :o :o ;)