So this is freedom of religion in the perfect muslim state
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(AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection.

According to eyewitnesses, the perpetrators were bearded men in white gowns. "They were Salafists, and some of were from the Muslim Brotherhood," according to one witness. It was reported that terrorized women and children who lost their homes were in the streets without any place to go.

According to Father Boktor Nashed from St. George's Church in el-Nahdah, a meeting between Muslim and Christian representatives was supposed to take place in the evening in Kobry-el-Sharbat. But, by 3 P.M. a Muslim mob looted and torched the home of Mourad Samy Guirgis, as well as the home of his family and three homes of Coptic neighbors. A number of Coptic-owned shops and businesses were also looted and torched. "We contacted security forces, but they arrived very, very late," Said Father Nashad. The fire brigade was prevented from going into the village by the Muslims and the fires were left to burn themselves out. "Those who lost their home, left the village," said Father Nashed.

Coptic activist Mariam Ragy, who was covering the violence in Kobry-el-Sharbat , said it took the army 1 hour to drive 2 kilometers to the village. "This happens every time. They wait outside the village until the Muslims have had enough violence, then they appear." She said that she spoke to many Copts from the village this evening who said that although their homes were not attacked, Muslims stood in the street asking them to come to their homes to hide. "They believed that this was a new trick to make them leave, so that Muslims would loot and torch their homes while they were away," said Ragy.

The Gov of Alexandria visited al-Nahda, near Kobry-el-Sharbat, this evening and told elYoum 7 newspaper that the two Copts and one Muslim who were injured were transported to hospital. He said that the family of the Muslim girl whose image was on the Copt's mobile phone wanted revenge from the Coptic man. They broke into his home and torched a furniture factory located in the same building.

Joseph Malak, a lawyer for the Coptic Church in Alexandria, said it is too early to count injuries to Copts or losses to their property.

Mr. Mina Girguis, of the Maspero Youth Union in Alexandria, said that "collective punishment of Copts for someone else's mistake, which is yet to be determined, is completely unacceptable." He believes that the reason for this violence is fabricated, and the military is behind it. "They are trying to divert the attention from the second revolution which is taking place now."

Father Nashed denied that Islamists were present, only ordinary village Muslims, and could not give an explanation as why people who have lived together amicably for years could commit such violence. "Maybe because of lack of security, they think that they can do as they please."

He said that the nearly 65 Coptic families were ordered to stay indoors and not to open their shops and businesses tomorrow. He added that security forces did not arrest any of the perpetrators, "on the contrary, they were begging the mob to go home."

By midnight the violence had subsided.

By Mary Abdelmassih


© 2012, Assyrian International News Agency.  All Rights Reserved. Terms of Use.


www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm

Would they be the Muslims that Abu claimed recently were 'protecting' the copts?

freediver wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 9:02am:

Would they be the Muslims that Abu claimed recently were 'protecting' the copts?

Your perception of Muslims is wrong. It's like an alien looking at humanity as one big homogenous group that agrees on everything.

So it was a different bunch of Muslims?

That's OK then.

There was a female candidate in the Egyptian election.

They cannot show her face because she is supposed to wear a veil you will figure out which one she is.

The men have the regulation beard a fist length from the chin, they trim the moustace so they could differentiate themselves from the Jews on the battlefield.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/4652/86032390.png

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 9:15am:

freediver wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 9:02am: Would they be the Muslims that Abu claimed recently were 'protecting' the copts? Your perception of Muslims is wrong. It's like an alien looking at humanity as one big homogenous group that agrees on everything.

Annie,

You accuse FD;

"Your perception of Muslims is wrong."



But Annie,

If your perception of moslems is correct, then why do we NEVER, EVER, see street protests in the West, by all of the 'good' moslems living in the West, protesting whenever we see a new outrage of violent behaviour in a moslem majority country?

These common outrages of violent behaviour, where non-moslem minorities [including Christian communities] are being persecuted and murdered by members of their local moslem community ???

The silence of the worldwide moslem community when these outrages occur is deafening.

But let a female primary school teacher, working in a moslem country foolishly dare to call a teddy bear, a childs toy, Mohammed.....
.....and many moslems, including moslems living in the West, are calling for her blood, for insulting ISLAM, and ISLAM's prophet.




Annie, what i am asking, is;

If the moslem community, is a worldwide community of 'good' moslems [i.e. the ummah], then why are the ummah, the worldwide community of 'good' moslems silent, whenever the 'bad' moslems supposedly 'misrepresent' ISLAM ???

Quote:

If the moslem community, is a worldwide community of 'good' moslems [i.e. the ummah], then why are the ummah, the worldwide community of 'good' moslems silent, whenever the 'bad' moslems supposedly 'misrepresent' ISLAM ???

You'd have to ask them, but I'll have a guess and say that they're probably too busy protesting foreign invasions and trying to overturn their own corrupt governments - in most cases right alongside their Christian counterparts.

I couldn't find anything at all about this in one single Egyptian news site, even those known to be fairly pro-Coptic.

Got any actual references for this from a proper news site? Or just the usual jihadwatch tripe?

It was probably a schoolyard scuffle kind of thing, which involved 3 or 4 people, but by the time jihadwatch and crew got their hands on it, it became a mob of 3000 angry salafists foaming at the mouth.

And even the article claims it's not Muslim groups behind this, but the military (ie. the U.S-backed thugs currently running the country), who Annie mentioned, Muslims & Christians are protesting side by side to remove.

The is a URL at the bottom of the post.

Yes from an Assyrian Christian site (which does not mention its source).

I said an actual news outlet, not an Assyrian Christian website.

Yet even more tolerance of Christians

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9045282/Syria-claims-of-racial-cleansing-as-14-family-members-are-killed.html

english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/32940/Egypt/Politics-/Killing-of-Copts-in-Upper-Egypt-turns-up-heat-on-p.aspx

In other words no actual news sources for this claim?

Come on, the vast majority of people being killed by the Western-friendly regimes in both Egypt and Syria are mainstream Muslims, not Christians, this is just ridiculous. Now you're seriously clutching at straws.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

Quote: If the moslem community, is a worldwide community of 'good' moslems [i.e. the ummah], then why are the ummah, the worldwide community of 'good' moslems silent, whenever the 'bad' moslems supposedly 'misrepresent' ISLAM ??? You'd have to ask them, but I'll have a guess and say that they're probably too busy protesting foreign invasions and trying to overturn their own corrupt governments - in most cases right alongside their Christian counterparts.

So now that all those busy 'good' muslims have elected Islamists to power in Egypt, we can expect unequivocal, loud and ongoing condemnation 'bad' muslims who misrepresent Islam by doing violent, bloodthirsty acts?

Who are you kiddin'?

Soren wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 8:24pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 12:13pm: Quote: If the moslem community, is a worldwide community of 'good' moslems [i.e. the ummah], then why are the ummah, the worldwide community of 'good' moslems silent, whenever the 'bad' moslems supposedly 'misrepresent' ISLAM ??? You'd have to ask them, but I'll have a guess and say that they're probably too busy protesting foreign invasions and trying to overturn their own corrupt governments - in most cases right alongside their Christian counterparts. So now that all those busy 'good' muslims have elected Islamists to power in Egypt, we can expect unequivocal, loud and ongoing condemnation 'bad' muslims who misrepresent Islam by doing violent, bloodthirsty acts? Who are you kiddin'?

The Muslim political parties are advocates for Christian rights.

When the secualr US-backed puppet regime was preventing Christians from building churches, it was the Muslim Brotherhood who came out and said theat Christians should be allowed to build churches in Egypt.

Christians and women join Muslim Brotherhood Party

The Coptic writer and professor, Rafiq Habib, has been nominated to serve the vice president of the Freedom and Justice’ party representing the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) says the local press, which notes that the founders of the party, which is the political expression of the MB – illegal under the Mubarak regime, include 93 Copts and 978 women.

The welcoming of Christians and women, by the MB, serve to contrast the accusations of exclusion addressed to the leaders of the Brotherhood by many groups.  The MB’s historic leader, Abdel Moneim Aboul Fotuh, has announced his intention to run as an independent in the next presidential elections.

According to the MB’s website, ‘Ikhwanweb’, the new party and the signed petitions in its support along with the offices to be conferred will be presented in the next few days. “The Party is totally distinct from the group – assures Mohammed Mursi, president of ‘Freedom and Justice’ – which as an NGO, shall deal with social activities and offering aid to the population.

Walid Shalabi, the MB’s spokesman, has reiterated, as noted by al-Ahram online, that “the group and the party are independent, both financially and managerially. The two parties, however, shall assist one another when necessary, such as during an election for example”...

http://au.christiantoday.com/article/muslim-brotherhood-appoints-christian-vice-president/11090.htm

Sorry, I missed the bit that is pertinent to the point that was made.
Do you have the MB policy on the sunni/shia killings? Any interviews by MB leaders unequivocally condemning attacks by Muslim terrorists around the world?

Adamant wrote on Jan 29^th, 2012 at 1:12am:

So this is freedom of religion in the perfect muslim state -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection. [...] www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm

So what's wrong with picking on the Copts? Me and my muslim brothers love nothing more than to kick a bit of Xtian butt. I won't hide behind the usual 'Islam is a religion of peace' banner. I'm a violent muslim and my actions are inspired by the holy k'ran.

salad in wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 1:12am: So this is freedom of religion in the perfect muslim state -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection. [...] www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm

This must be a news item from a Zionist Murdoch misinformation organ.
This was a peaceful Muslim demonstration for Christian rights, jointly sponsord by the Ayatollahs and the Muslim Brotherhood.

salad in wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 9:00pm:

Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 1:12am: So this is freedom of religion in the perfect muslim state -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection. [...] www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm So what's wrong with picking on the Copts? Me and my muslim brothers love nothing more than to kick a bit of Xtian butt. I won't hide behind the usual 'Islam is a religion of peace' banner. I'm a violent muslim and my actions are inspired by the holy k'ran.

I request that the moderators reveal all your usernames on this forum, and aan explanation as to why people are allowed multiple usernames on this forum.

falah wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 9:40am:

salad in wrote on Feb 1st, 2012 at 9:00pm: Adamant wrote on Jan 29th, 2012 at 1:12am: So this is freedom of religion in the perfect muslim state -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection. [...] www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm So what's wrong with picking on the Copts? Me and my muslim brothers love nothing more than to kick a bit of Xtian butt. I won't hide behind the usual 'Islam is a religion of peace' banner. I'm a violent muslim and my actions are inspired by the holy k'ran. I request that the moderators reveal all your usernames on this forum, and aan explanation as to why people are allowed multiple usernames on this forum.

LOL be ready for an embarrassing revelation Falah....and better start writing the apology now...

Soren wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 8:47pm:

Sorry, Do you have the MB policy on the sunni/shia killings?

Egypt does not have a substantial Shi-ite population, why would the MB in Egypt be concerned with Shi-ites?

Green represents Muslim. Blue represents Shi-ites.
http://webspace.ship.edu/cgboer/Islam-by-country-smooth.png


Soren wrote on Feb 1^st, 2012 at 8:47pm:

Any interviews by MB leaders unequivocally condemning attacks by Muslim terrorists around the world?

Does Australia condemn Israeli atrocities in palestine?

Has the Labor or Liberal parties condemned the illegal invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan?

Has the Labor or Liberal parties condemned the terrorist drone stikes by the Obama Administraion - most of the victims of which are civilians?

In answer to your question:


The Muslim Brotherhood Condemns Terrorist Attacks in India
http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?id=18773


Muslim Brotherhood Condemns Attacks against Coptic Christians in Egypt
http://islamopediaonline.org/news/muslim-brotherhood-condemns-attacks-against-coptic-christians-egypt


Immediately after 9/11 attacks...the Muslim Brotherhood (MB) group condemned them, seeing them as totally divorced from any religion or creed, actions which are totally rejected by Islam.

http://www.ikhwanweb.com/article.php?ID=14069&LevelID=1&SectionID=71

falah wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 12:05pm:

Does Australia condemn Israeli atrocities in palestine?

Killing 'unbelievers' [who resist ISLAM] = = good works.

And 'unbelievers' defending themselves, from homicidal attacks by moslems ???

Those actions, are atrocities against 'peace-loving' moslem 'freedom fighters'.






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That [previously stated] is the 'mentality' and the 'reason', of those persons who support ISLAM and moslems, in their 'struggle' for 'justice' and 'peace'.



"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.


Knowingly, or unknowingly [i.e. being willingly ignorant], support for moslems, is support for moslem violence and murder [i.e. 'rightly guided' Jihad].





"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."   
Koran 9.123

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111






'Unbelievers' who resist Allah's will, by defending themselves from Jihadist attacks by moslems, are criminals.

That is what moslems really, really, believe.

That is what moslems openly declare.

.....to anyone who will listen to their lies and misrepresentation, of their 'struggle' against those 'murderous' Jews who resist them.

Hey dipshit.

Have the muslims condemned 9/11, Bali bombings, Spain bombings, the London bombings, USS Cole attack, the Russian theatre bombings, PAN AM flight 103 etc.?

blackadder wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:

Hey dipshit. Have the muslims condemned 9/11, Bali bombings, Spain bombings, the London bombings, USS Cole attack, the Russian theatre bombings, PAN AM flight 103 etc.?

Well of course moslems have condemned 9/11, Bali bombings, etc, etc, etc........etc, etc, etc.

That is why ISLAM is known as the religion of peace.
/sarc off




THE RELIGION OF PEACE
http://thereligionofpeace.com/







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DECEIT EXAMPLE #1,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
A UK moslem *community leader*, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;
"We condemn the killing of all innocent civilians."

#1,
THE VERY SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
"...Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: "Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar." "
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article552594.ece




DECEIT EXAMPLE #2,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
"The Undercover Mosque: The return"
"A group of Christians visiting the mosque and the preacher and the Women's Circle treat [the Christians] kindly and talk about,
'We're all people of the book and we all come from the same history'."

#2,
SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
"Just as soon as that group of visitors [the Christians] leaves, the language changes completely. 'CHRISTIANITY IS VILE', the preacher says....."

Source;
ABC Radio National Religion interview transcript  - "The Undercover Mosque: The return"
".....Stephen Crittenden: .....your program highlights a certain kind of duplicity. When they're caught out, individuals don't miss a [beat], they just say they've been taken out of context....
David Henshaw: ......Regent's Park Mosque is officially committed to inter-faith dialogue....."
http://www.abc.net.au/rn/religionreport/stories/2008/2360820.htm#transcript

IMO, what 'religious' non-moslems need to realise, is that the intentional, blatant deceit, coming from the lips of moslems, lies about a 'tolerant', 'peaceful' ISLAM, is often delivered as part of a moslem 'inter-faith dialogue', with people of other faiths.




DECEIT EXAMPLE #3,
GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO A *MOSLEM* AUDIENCE
Use children as troops, says cleric [Sheik Feiz Mohammed]
January 18, 2007
..."We want to have children and offer them as soldiers...Teach them this: There is nothing more beloved to me than wanting to die as a mujahid (holy warrior). Put in their soft, tender hearts the zeal of jihad and a love of martyrdom."
......"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad," he declares in the film, before denouncing "kaffirs" (non-Muslims).
"Kaffir is the worst word ever written, a sign of infidelity, disbelief, filth, a sign of dirt."
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=94224
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/014863.php

#3,
SAME GOOD MOSLEM SPEAKS TO NON-MOSLEM AUDIENCE - blatant deceit
Fiery Australian cleric claims jihad remarks were misunderstood
"The jihad I speak of is not one of violence,"...
"I don't believe in suicide bombing. I don't believe in violence against others," he said. "We denounce that. This is not Islamic law and it is not moral."
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2007/01/fiery-australian-cleric-claims-jihad-remarks-were-misunderstood.html

Sheik Feiz declares;
"....violence against others,..This is not Islamic law and it is not moral.";




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Dictionary,
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.


SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #1

Peace

Good moslems will tell non-moslems, that moslems want to see 'peace' cover the whole earth.

But a moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that all good moslems define 'peace', as submission to Allah's will.
Dar al-Islam = = "house of peace" [is those places where Sharia has authority].
Dar al-Harb = = "house of war".

Google,
Dar al-Harb deception
i.e.
A moslem 'peace' = = mankind's SLAVERY, under ISLAMIST political rule.






SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #2

'Terrorism'

Good moslems have declared to non-moslems, that they condemn 'terrorism'.

But moslems do not reveal that ISLAMISTS define non-moslems as the terrorists! - Truly!

Because ISLAMISTS have defined 'terrorism' as; Resisting Allah's will!! - Truly!

When non-moslems try to resist the ISLAMISATION of their society, or try to prevent ISLAMIST violence, good moslems [truly!] regard such actions as 'oppression' and 'violence' against moslems! - Truly!

e.g.
"Five Sydney men jailed over terrorism plot"
"The sister for one of the convicted men said...that the sentence is not fair to her community or religion."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/15/2819965.htm
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/02/australia-5-jihadists-motivated-by-intolerant-inflexible-religious-conviction-sentenced-to-prison-te.html







SOPHISTRY EXAMPLE #3

Innocent people

Good moslems have declared to non-moslems, that they condemn the killing of innocent people.

But the good moslem, does not openly reveal [at the same time] that in ISLAM, only moslems qualify as 'innocent people'.
EXAMPLES next post....


Google to find...

e.g.
"....when we say innocent people, we mean muslims...If you are a non-muslim, then you are guilty...."
Anjem Choudary, UK muslim community leader, speaking publicly, of the London 7/7 bombing victims.


e.g.
"......In public interviews Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians. Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent: Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any [unbeliever]."
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking publicly, and then privately, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.


e.g.
"We don't make a distinction between civilians and non-civilians, innocents and non-innocents. Only between Muslims and unbelievers. And the life of an unbeliever has no value. It has no sanctity."
Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, speaking to a moslem audience, regarding the London 7/7 bombing victims.

ISLAM = deceit.


a good read, outlining and exposing ISLAMIST sophistry...

Islamic Dictionary for Infidels
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2006/07/islamic-dictionary-for-infidels.html

Quote:

Egypt does not have a substantial Shi-ite population, why would the MB in Egypt be concerned with Shi-ites? Green represents Muslim. Blue represents Shi-ites.

Falah what is the appropriate Islamic punishment for being a Shite?


blackadder wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 1:57pm:

Hey dipshit. Have the muslims condemned 9/11, Bali bombings, Spain bombings, the London bombings, USS Cole attack, the Russian theatre bombings, PAN AM flight 103 etc.?

I believe Abu once brought himself to say it was wrong and was not a war sanctioned by an appropriate Islamic authority. I think it is a sin in Islam to start a war you cannot win.

Quote:

Islamic Statements Against Terrorism Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians: “The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).”

http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Quote:

Muslim Brotherhood, an opposition Islamist group in Egypt, said it was “horrified” by the attack and expressed “condolences and sadness”: “[We] strongly condemn such activities that are against all humanist and Islamic morals. … [We] condemn and oppose all aggression on human life, freedom and dignity anywhere in the world.” Al-Ahram Weekly Online, 13 – 19 September 2001,

That whole webpage is full of Muslim condemnation of the 9/11 attacks.

Quote:

Falah what is the appropriate Islamic punishment for being a Shite?

Self-flaggelation - every year at Ashura.

Does it include the quote by that British Muslim leader who told the press that it is wrong to kill innocents, then later told his following that westerners cannot be considered innocent?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

Quote: Falah what is the appropriate Islamic punishment for being a Shite? Self-flaggelation - every year at Ashura.

They have to masturbate once a year?

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:36pm:

Does it include the quote by that British Muslim leader who told the press that it is wrong to kill innocents, then later told his following that westerners cannot be considered innocent?

It says the MB were horrified by the attack. That's pretty clear, isn't it?

About as clear as saying that it is wrong to kill innocents. There are plenty of wrong reasons to be horrified.

There is nothing they could have done that would have satisfied you and people like you.

There are more important things than satisfying me. Preventing it from happening again is at the top of the list.

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:59pm:

About as clear as saying that it is wrong to kill innocents. There are plenty of wrong reasons to be horrified.

Unless they're innocent Palestinians. Right FD? Your all for the murder of innocent Palestinians...you've said so many times....

freediver wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 10:16pm:

There are more important things than satisfying me. Preventing it from happening again is at the top of the list.

Stop attacking muslims and invading muslim lands, and they won't need to defend themselves.

Do you think you can manage that?

quote me

Why should I? We all know its true.....

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 2^nd, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Quote: Islamic Statements Against Terrorism Mustafa Mashhur, General Guide, Muslim Brotherhood, Egypt; Qazi Hussain Ahmed, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan, Pakistan; Muti Rahman Nizami, Ameer, Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh, Bangladesh; Shaykh Ahmad Yassin, Founder, Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas), Palestine; Rashid Ghannoushi, President, Nahda Renaissance Movement, Tunisia; Fazil Nour, President, PAS – Parti Islam SeMalaysia, Malaysia; and 40 other Muslim scholars and politicians: “The undersigned, leaders of Islamic movements, are horrified by the events of Tuesday 11 September 2001 in the United States which resulted in massive killing, destruction and attack on innocent lives. We express our deepest sympathies and sorrow. We condemn, in the strongest terms, the incidents, which are against all human and Islamic norms. This is grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents. God Almighty says in the Holy Qur’an: ‘No bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another’ (Surah al-Isra 17:15).” http://kurzman.unc.edu/islamic-statements-against-terrorism/

Dictionary;
sophistry = = the use of fallacious arguments, especially to deceive.




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'Islamic Statements Against Terrorism' are....
".....grounded in the Noble Laws of Islam which forbid all forms of attacks on innocents."


Yes, moslems concede, that some moslems [i.e. 'innocent' persons] were killed in the 9/11 attacks.

And that 'consequence' is very, very, wrong.
/sarc off

.......as per 'the Noble Laws of Islam'.


"......If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him."
Koran 4.92-93


But then again, good moslems have the doctrinal 'let out', if they 'accidentally' kill fellow moslems in 'Jihad operations' against the 'guilty' people, infidels;

"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.i
Google;
muslims, can infidels be innocents?

A.
No.

Because an infidel is always a 'guilty' person, for not believing in Allah,
i.e. for the 'crime' of not being a moslem.

FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 9:38am:

FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general?

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025






Let me.....


All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies.

MUST.

Jihad, religious fighting, against 'unbelievers', is a 'religious' obligation upon all moslems.

Allah [Koran and Hadith] states that moslems who refuse, or who do not fulfil, their 'religious' obligations, ARE NOT moslems.

They are regarded by Allah, as infidels.





+++


"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter.
Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power over all things."
Koran 9.38, 39

"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44

"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."   
Koran 9.123

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods;....they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:..."
Koran 9.111


+++

Fighting and dying for Allah's cause, is glorious, and is encouraged.

A small sample...

The Hadith;

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who dies and finds good from Allah (in the Hereafter) would wish to come back to this world even if he were given the whole world and whatever is in it, except the martyr who, on seeing the superiority of martyrdom, would like to come back to the world and get killed again (in Allah's Cause)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.053

"The Prophet said, "By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Were it not for some men amongst the believers who dislike to be left behind me and whom I cannot provide with means of conveyance, I would certainly never remain behind any Sariya' (army-unit) setting out in Allah's Cause. By Him in Whose Hands my life is! I would love to be martyred in Allah's Cause and then get resurrected and then get martyred, and then get resurrected again and then get martyred and then get resurrected again and then get martyred."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.054

"The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.072

"I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid [religious fighter] in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.046

i.e. Muhammad is reported as saying that for a moslem, religious fighting, is the same as a religious devotion.
Jihad [religious fighting], is as if a muslim 'fasts and prays continuously'.
And that Allah guarantees that a Mujahid [religious fighter] will enter Paradise, if he is killed.


"A man came to the Prophet and asked, "A man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah's Cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights that Allah's Word (i.e. Islam) should be superior, fights in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.065
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.080i

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

Quote:

"Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

Yadda, as an expert on Islam you should know that jihad doesn't translate to 'religious fighting', especially not in the way you mean it.


I don't mind debating with you, Yadda, but your font changing and quoting requires too much energy to sort through. Just type normally.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 10:06am:

Quote: "Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." " hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025 Yadda, as an expert on Islam ......you should know that jihad doesn't translate to 'religious fighting', especially not in the way you mean it. I don't mind debating with you, Yadda, but your font changing and quoting requires too much energy to sort through. Just type normally.

Oh really ?






Excuse me Annie,

But i did NOT insert those words ['religious fighting'] into teh Hadith text.





The moslem authorised Hadith text reads;


Quote:

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle was asked, "What is the best deed?" He replied, "To believe in Allah and His Apostle (Muhammad). The questioner then asked, "What is the next (in goodness)? He replied, "To participate in Jihad (religious fighting) in Allah's Cause." The questioner again asked, "What is the next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To perform Hajj (Pilgrim age to Mecca) 'Mubrur, (which is accepted by Allah and is performed with the intention of seeking Allah's pleasure only and not to show off and without committing a sin and in accordance with the traditions of the Prophet)."

here is a valid link, to that moslem authorised Hadith text.....
http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/002-sbt.php#001.002.026



Those words, and that Hadith text, are on a moslem authorised site.

Authorised by who ???

Authorised by the US Muslim Students' Association.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_Students%27_Association



p.s.

I incorrectly quoted hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.025

It should have been, hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #001.002.026

http://www.cmje.org/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/002-sbt.php#001.002.026

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 9:38am:

FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general?

No. I think that even out of those Muslims who might support the return to militant expansionism, most would recognise 9/11 and terrorism in general as a strategic blunder.

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 9:53am:

All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies. MUST.

Yadda you like to make extrem statments without providing any evidence.

The Quran says: "...if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in God. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."
[al-Anfal, v.61]


Prophet Muhammed forbid Muslims to kill women children, the elderly. He became angry when he learned that one pagan woman had accidentally been killed on the battlefield in the heat of battle.

The Prophet even forbid cuttting down the enemy's fruit trees or poisononig wells.

Prophet Muhammed is considered to be the best, Muslim, who others Muslims should look upon as example.

With this example, how can one possibly say with any sense of honesty "All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies"?

freediver wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 12:27pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:38am: FD, do you think that all Muslims support the 9/11 attacks or terrorism in general? No. I think that even out of those Muslims who might support the return to militant expansionism, most would recognise 9/11 and terrorism in general as a strategic blunder.

I mean support on a personal level as compatible with their religious beliefs, rather than support as a strategic move.

I think the compatibility with the religion bit is a grey area. While Islam claims to be a complete code in the general sense, Muhammed was never in the situation of being a perpetual loser in the geopolitical sense and this has left Muslims with a bit of a vacuum. This is why you get such disturbing contradictions, like the UK Muslim leader saying that westerners are not innocent, or Abu declaring that we have been at war for 100 years, while also claiming that Islam obligues him to obey our laws. The difficulty in getting a straight answer from Muslims here does not bode well.

Despite this, I think most self-identifying Muslims oppose terrorism, justifying it either with religious dictate or humanism. However, this is still not entirely reassuring to me. I think it is necessary and important to confront the problems in an open and honest manner. The death of militant Islam will be a slow and painful process and may involve the death of Islam as we know it.

falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Yadda wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 9:53am: All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies. MUST. Yadda you like to make extrem statments without providing any evidence.

Sorry falah,

And when i provide evidence, people complain.

"Yadda, just a one line reply pleeeeeeease! That is sufficient."

But for you falah,
......i am happy to provide evidence/arguments supporting my claims.         :)







falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:29pm:

The Quran says: "...if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in God. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower." [al-Anfal, v.61]

Peace.

Google;
sophistry, peace with unbelievers, submission to Allah's will



falah,
A very important consideration when talking with moslems, about seeking 'peace', is to know, how do moslems define the word >>> PEACE <<< ?

And moslems define, peace = = submission to Allah's will.


"But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in Allah: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)."
Koran 8.61


So.....
.....if the unbelievers sue for a cessation of hostilities, AND, incline towards submission to Allah's will [i.e. accepting ISLAM], then don't fight them.

Therefore, to moslems, 'peace' = = surrender to ISLAM.

OTHERWISE !.....[see below]







falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Prophet Muhammed forbid Muslims to kill women children, the elderly. He became angry when he learned that one pagan woman had accidentally been killed on the battlefield in the heat of battle.

But Why did he ???

Why did Mohammed forbid moslems to destroy war booty ?????????????

Duh ?

Let think......

Duh, duh, duh.

Coz war booty, is war booty ['treasure', knob toys, etc].

There is no sense in destroying war booty, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MOSLEMS ARE FIGHTING FOR.



Hence, Mohammed forbade moslems from killing women and children.



already explored and covered,  here on OzPol,
"Islam specifically forbids killing of non-combats"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251160915/0#0ifalah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:29pm:

The Prophet even forbid cuttting down the enemy's fruit trees or poisononig wells.

Err, war booty.







falah wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Prophet Muhammed is considered to be the best, Muslim, who others Muslims should look upon as example. With this example, how can one possibly say with any sense of honesty "All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies"?

falah,
Define moslem 'peace', as it relates to non-moslems.

That concept [i.e. peace with non-moslems], for a moslem, is a contradiction in terms.



+++

THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE WITH UNBELIEVERS [i.e. 'the friends of Satan']   <-----The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah



"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98
[i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah...Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.."
Koran 4.74-76
[i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.]

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29

"Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them."
Koran 3.28

"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1

"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123

"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111

The Hadith,
"...If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

falah wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:29pm: The Quran says: "...if they incline to peace, you also incline to it, and (put your) trust in God. Verily, He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower." [al-Anfal, v.61] falah, A very important consideration when talking with moslems, about seeking 'peace', is to know, how do moslems define the word >>> PEACE <<< ? And moslems define, peace = = submission to Allah's will. So..... .....if the unbelievers sue for a cessation of hostilities, AND, incline towards submission to Allah's will [i.e. accepting ISLAM], then don't fight them. Therefore, to moslems, 'peace' = = surrender to ISLAM. OTHERWISE !.....[see below]

This is incorrect. What you have stated is the meaning of being at peace with God; submitting to God's will.

That is not the meaning of peace used in the verse I mentioned. The verse uses the word "salm" which means "peace" in the general sense of the word. This is how Islamic scholars have understood the word. The definition you have given is for the word "Islam" which mean "sumbission".

For example I have before me the translation of the Quran produced by the Saudi Government. In the footnot to this verse it says: "While we must always be ready for the good fight lest it be forced on us, even in the midst of the fight we must always be ready for peace if there is any inclination towards peace on the other side. There is no merit merely in a fight by itself."








Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

falah wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:29pm: Prophet Muhammed forbid Muslims to kill women children, the elderly. He became angry when he learned that one pagan woman had accidentally been killed on the battlefield in the heat of battle. But Why did he ??? Why did Mohammed forbid moslems to destroy war booty ????????????? Duh ? Let think...... Duh, duh, duh. Coz war booty, is war booty ['treasure', knob toys, etc]. There is no sense in destroying war booty, BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT MOSLEMS ARE FIGHTING FOR. Hence, Mohammed forbade moslems from killing women and children.

Not just women and children, but also the elderly and monks in monastries. Do you suppose the eldery are worth much as war booty?




Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

falah wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:29pm: The Prophet even forbid cuttting down the enemy's fruit trees or poisononig wells. Err, war booty.

Yadda, you said that Muslims must support any attack that weakens their enemy. If that were true, Muslims would destroy the food sources and water supplies of their enemies. Afterall, what would weaken an enemy more than denying them food? Yet it is forbidden in Islam to do so.






Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

falah wrote on Feb 3rd, 2012 at 6:29pm: Prophet Muhammed is considered to be the best, Muslim, who others Muslims should look upon as example. With this example, how can one possibly say with any sense of honesty "All good moslems MUST support attacks which weaken Allah's enemies"? falah, Define moslem 'peace', as it relates to non-moslems. That concept [i.e. peace with non-moslems], for a moslem, is a contradiction in terms. +++ THERE CAN NEVER BE PEACE WITH UNBELIEVERS [i.e. 'the friends of Satan']   <-----The 'prime directive', to all moslems, from Allah "......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith." Koran 2.089 "....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith." Koran 2.98 [i.e. 'Unbelief' is a crime.]

What is your point here? Even if someone is cursed by God or at war with God it does not mean that muslims cannot have a treaty with them. Throughout history Muslim Governments have had treaties with people who were not Muslim.


Yadda wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2012 at 7:47pm:

"...And why should ye not fight in the cause of God...Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan:.." Koran 4.74-76 [i.e. Fighting against 'unbelievers' is sanctified, fighting against 'unbelievers' is 'good works'. Because 'unbelievers' [of Allah] are in league with SATAN. So those who are indeed, good moslems will fight against the 'unbelievers'.] "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11

Your translation is incorrect and you omit parts


74. Let those (believers) who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter fight in the Cause of God, and whoso fights in the Cause of God, and is killed or gets victory, We shall bestow on him a great reward.

75. And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of God, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help."

76. Those who believe, fight in the Cause of God, and those who disbelieve, fight in the cause of Satanic oppression . So fight you against the friends of Satan; Ever feeble indeed is the plot of Satan.

The "fight in the Cause of God" phrase is understood to mean fighting with the Islamic government in its wars against the enemies of the state.

It is not understood to mean killing an unbeliever who has a peace treaty with the Muslims.


Prophet Muhammed gave a grave warning to any Muslim who kills an unbeliever who is protected by treaty:


“Whoever unlawfully kills a person protected by treaty will not smell the fragrance of Paradise (eg. will not go to Heaven)...”
[Bukhari]

It appears even more Coptic Christians are being loved to death by muslims.
Over 3000 Muslims Attack Christian Homes and Shops in Egypt, 3 Injured
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Posted GMT 1-28-2012 1:39:42
      
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(AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection.

According to eyewitnesses, the perpetrators were bearded men in white gowns. "They were Salafists, and some of were from the Muslim Brotherhood," according to one witness. It was reported that terrorized women and children who lost their homes were in the streets without any place to go.

According to Father Boktor Nashed from St. George's Church in el-Nahdah, a meeting between Muslim and Christian representatives was supposed to take place in the evening in Kobry-el-Sharbat. But, by 3 P.M. a Muslim mob looted and torched the home of Mourad Samy Guirgis, as well as the home of his family and three homes of Coptic neighbors. A number of Coptic-owned shops and businesses were also looted and torched. "We contacted security forces, but they arrived very, very late," Said Father Nashad. The fire brigade was prevented from going into the village by the Muslims and the fires were left to burn themselves out. "Those who lost their home, left the village," said Father Nashed.

Coptic activist Mariam Ragy, who was covering the violence in Kobry-el-Sharbat , said it took the army 1 hour to drive 2 kilometers to the village. "This happens every time. They wait outside the village until the Muslims have had enough violence, then they appear." She said that she spoke to many Copts from the village this evening who said that although their homes were not attacked, Muslims stood in the street asking them to come to their homes to hide. "They believed that this was a new trick to make them leave, so that Muslims would loot and torch their homes while they were away," said Ragy.

The Gov of Alexandria visited al-Nahda, near Kobry-el-Sharbat, this evening and told elYoum 7 newspaper that the two Copts and one Muslim who were injured were transported to hospital. He said that the family of the Muslim girl whose image was on the Copt's mobile phone wanted revenge from the Coptic man. They broke into his home and torched a furniture factory located in the same building.

Joseph Malak, a lawyer for the Coptic Church in Alexandria, said it is too early to count injuries to Copts or losses to their property.

Mr. Mina Girguis, of the Maspero Youth Union in Alexandria, said that "collective punishment of Copts for someone else's mistake, which is yet to be determined, is completely unacceptable." He believes that the reason for this violence is fabricated, and the military is behind it. "They are trying to divert the attention from the second revolution which is taking place now."

Father Nashed denied that Islamists were present, only ordinary village Muslims, and could not give an explanation as why people who have lived together amicably for years could commit such violence. "Maybe because of lack of security, they think that they can do as they please."

He said that the nearly 65 Coptic families were ordered to stay indoors and not to open their shops and businesses tomorrow. He added that security forces did not arrest any of the perpetrators, "on the contrary, they were begging the mob to go home."

By midnight the violence had subsided.

By Mary Abdelmassih


© 2012, Assyrian International News Agency.  All Rights Reserved.

http://www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm

Adamant wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 1:23am:

It appears even more Coptic Christians are being loved to death by muslims. Over 3000 Muslims Attack Christian Homes and Shops in Egypt, 3 Injured -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted GMT 1-28-2012 1:39:42        -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- (AINA) -- A mob of over 3000 Muslims attacked Copts in the village of Kobry-el-Sharbat (el-Ameriya), Alexandria this afternoon. Coptic homes and shops were looted before being set ablaze. Two Copts and a Muslim were injured. The violence started after a rumor was spread that a Coptic man had an allegedly intimate photo of a Muslim woman on his mobile phone. The Coptic man, Mourad Samy Guirgis, surrendered to the police this morning morning for his protection. According to eyewitnesses, the perpetrators were bearded men in white gowns. "They were Salafists, and some of were from the Muslim Brotherhood," according to one witness. It was reported that terrorized women and children who lost their homes were in the streets without any place to go. According to Father Boktor Nashed from St. George's Church in el-Nahdah, a meeting between Muslim and Christian representatives was supposed to take place in the evening in Kobry-el-Sharbat. But, by 3 P.M. a Muslim mob looted and torched the home of Mourad Samy Guirgis, as well as the home of his family and three homes of Coptic neighbors. A number of Coptic-owned shops and businesses were also looted and torched. "We contacted security forces, but they arrived very, very late," Said Father Nashad. The fire brigade was prevented from going into the village by the Muslims and the fires were left to burn themselves out. "Those who lost their home, left the village," said Father Nashed. Coptic activist Mariam Ragy, who was covering the violence in Kobry-el-Sharbat , said it took the army 1 hour to drive 2 kilometers to the village. "This happens every time. They wait outside the village until the Muslims have had enough violence, then they appear." She said that she spoke to many Copts from the village this evening who said that although their homes were not attacked, Muslims stood in the street asking them to come to their homes to hide. "They believed that this was a new trick to make them leave, so that Muslims would loot and torch their homes while they were away," said Ragy. The Gov of Alexandria visited al-Nahda, near Kobry-el-Sharbat, this evening and told elYoum 7 newspaper that the two Copts and one Muslim who were injured were transported to hospital. He said that the family of the Muslim girl whose image was on the Copt's mobile phone wanted revenge from the Coptic man. They broke into his home and torched a furniture factory located in the same building. Joseph Malak, a lawyer for the Coptic Church in Alexandria, said it is too early to count injuries to Copts or losses to their property. Mr. Mina Girguis, of the Maspero Youth Union in Alexandria, said that "collective punishment of Copts for someone else's mistake, which is yet to be determined, is completely unacceptable." He believes that the reason for this violence is fabricated, and the military is behind it. "They are trying to divert the attention from the second revolution which is taking place now." Father Nashed denied that Islamists were present, only ordinary village Muslims, and could not give an explanation as why people who have lived together amicably for years could commit such violence. "Maybe because of lack of security, they think that they can do as they please." He said that the nearly 65 Coptic families were ordered to stay indoors and not to open their shops and businesses tomorrow. He added that security forces did not arrest any of the perpetrators, "on the contrary, they were begging the mob to go home." By midnight the violence had subsided. By Mary Abdelmassih © 2012, Assyrian International News Agency.  All Rights Reserved. http://www.aina.org/news/20120127193942.htm

Once again you bring the fake news from the extremist Christian AINA site.

You DID say this falah?

Once again you bring the fake news from the extremist Christian AIMA site.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Adamant wrote on Feb 4^th, 2012 at 2:18am:

You DID say this falah? Once again you bring the fake news from the extremist Christian AIMA site. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL

Only moslem sources, give accurate, unbiased news reports.
/sarc off

In their [lying] dreams.

Islam's pretensions to purity, honesty, honour are thoroughly discredited. Take it from there.