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Title: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Frances on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 10:53pm Quote:
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Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by PoliticalPuppet on Feb 24th, 2012 at 9:29am
I can tell you that Hillary certianly doesnt help the women's cause in the world.
She makes me sick to my stomach. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:52pm
The people abusing women were the same secular scumbags that the US was happy to fund to the tune of 1 billion dollars per year for three decades.
Clinton is a hypocrite. Reminds me of George Bush sending his wife out to talk about women's rights in Afghanistan while at the same time he was funding and arming warlords who were known rapists and human rights violators. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by adamant on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:09pm falah wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:52pm:
Would these people be known as the taliban mujaheddin and haqqanis |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by muso on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:20pm
I really fear for a friend of mine in Egypt. I've known her since 1996 and she has always been a bit of a jetsetter coming from a fairly affluent family. She's a Copt, and she's certainly not backward about supporting people who have been beaten up by the military, especially on her Facebook page. It's not a religious issue. Copts and Muslims joined together in the uprising. I hope that the presidential elections brings some stability to the country, but I'm not optimistic.
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Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by adamant on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:53pm muso wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:20pm:
Yes they all fought together to rid themselves from a dictator, but now he has been toppled the wahhabi's and salafist's hold sway they will not tolerate Coptic Christians tell your friend to leave Egypt whilst she is still allowed to. I wish her a safe journey. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Bolshevik Destroyer on Feb 25th, 2012 at 11:11pm
Perhaps we can send over all the feminist academics from the Humanities department to sort out the problem?
Oh wait, they can only lambaste 'evil' power elites while being protecting by those very power elites. Better they stick to the protection granted in the West. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 26th, 2012 at 12:07pm Adamant wrote on Feb 25th, 2012 at 10:09pm:
No they are called Northern Alliance and "Afghanistan Government". The Taliban came to power by rescuing kidnapped women. The Taliban are not funded by the USA war criminals. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by red baron on Feb 26th, 2012 at 2:56pm
falah, dry up those crocodile tears you shed for the Taliban and read the following.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Afghan women wearing the burqa While in power in Afghanistan, the Taliban became notorious internationally for their treatment of women. Their stated aim was to create "secure environments where the chasteness and dignity of women may once again be sacrosanct,"[1] reportedly based on Pashtunwali beliefs about living in purdah.[2] Women were forced to wear the burqa in public, because, according to a Taliban spokesman, "the face of a woman is a source of corruption" for men not related to them.[3] In a systematic segregation sometimes referred to as gender apartheid, women were not allowed to work, they were not allowed to be educated after the age of eight, and until then were permitted only to study the Qur'an. Women seeking an education were forced to attend underground schools, where they and their teachers risked execution if caught.[4][5] They were not allowed to be treated by male doctors unless accompanied by a male chaperone, which led to illnesses remaining untreated. They faced public flogging and execution for violations of the Taliban's laws.[6][7] The Taliban allowed and in some cases encouraged marriage for girls under the age of 16. Amnesty International reported that 80 percent of Afghan marriages were considered to be by force. Sounds to me falah like the Taliban were about as friendly as a dose of Arsenic to Muslim women. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 26th, 2012 at 3:36pm falah wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 12:07pm:
Did they? Things went south pretty quickly then. Surely you don't support the Taliban taking away the rights given to women by God in the Quran? The NA and the Taliban are both evil organisations - just for different reasons. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 26th, 2012 at 4:43pm
The Taliban stated that the reason for making face covering compulsory in urban areas was due to the high number of rapes and abductions of women during the civil war period.
Their intention was not to oppress women, but to protect them. If Afghanistan had not become such a dangerous place after the Soviet invasion, and US funding and arming of warlords, then the Taliban would not have felt in necessary to make such a rule. There is a lot of propaganda about the Taliban treatment of women which is not simply not true. An example is that the Taliban supposedly did not allow women to work. Not true actually. The Taliban themselves actually employed women to work as police, immigration officials, doctors, etc. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:00pm
If some of the men in a society are out of control, they should be punished. Women should not be forced to lose their identity and become faceless because men can't control their sexual urges. There's nothing in the Quran to support the forcible use of hijab let alone niqab. What right have these men to force women to cover from head to toe? What right to deny their daughters an education - and worse, to deny other people's daughters that God-given right? Who were they to ban television and music and art and the innocent pleasure those things bring?
You are kidding yourself if you believe the Taliban treated women as anything more than dogs. Where does it say in the Quran that a woman may not venture from her house without a maharam? Or that religious police can beat a woman for doing so? You do Muslims no favours by not condemning what the Taliban stood for in regards to women. They had better policies toward drugs and child abuse than the current corrupt pigs, but they certainly were not a better choice for women and for men who cared about women. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:34pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:00pm:
It is the duty of a government to protect the civilian population. The Taliban felt that this would protect women during a period of insatbility and insecurity. The Taliban were very harch towards rapists and came to power by answering calls for help from the families of female abducted by US-backed warlords. Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:00pm:
The Taliban did not deny girls education. They simply did not have any money to educate them. How could they educate girls when they could not even afford to educate all the boys (and remember this is a society where males are primarily the breadwinners)? Quote:
Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:00pm:
Every country censors television. The Taliban were preocuppied by civil war and poverty and did not have the resources to censor television, so banned it in what would probably have been a temporary action. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:49pm
Falah, you should be ashamed of yourself. You go against your own God by defending that organisation against their Muslim women accusers - your sisters in Islam.
There aren't only two sides to that war. You don't automatically stand against Islam if you stand against and condemn the Muslims who commit these atrocities. You can stand with the victims against all oppressors. Do read this list. From RAWA (they'd know, right?) : Quote:
http://www.rawa.org/rules.htm |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 26th, 2012 at 6:42pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 5:49pm:
RAWA is a socialist atheist organistaion which invents a lot of anti-Taliban propaganda. The letter R stands for "revolutionary" and should be a big clue to the nature of the organisation. The founder of the oranisation attended Socialist meetings: Quote:
Anyway, you have to ask yourself which is worse Taliban ordering women to wear a burqa in urban areas or the US-backed Karzai government legalising rape. ‘Worse than the Taliban’ - new law rolls back rights for Afghan women http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/03/31/and-8216-worse-than-the-talibanand-8217-new-law-rolls-back-rights-for-afghan-women.html Strange how we don't see George Bush's wife carted out to condemn the Karzai government treatment of women. 'Worse than the Taliban' - new law rolls back rights for Afghan women http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/31/hamid-karzai-afghanistan-law Quote:
Current Government Worse than Taliban": Report on Afghanistan http://tv.globalresearch.ca/2010/07/current-government-worse-taliban-report-afghanistan Quote:
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Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 26th, 2012 at 6:56pm
Seriously?
Just cos the Karzai government is worse, doesn't make the Taliban good. It's like a choice between cancer and AIDS. Quote:
Are revolutions bad? The Arab Spring must have been a nightmare for you. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by red baron on Feb 26th, 2012 at 7:19pm
falah - The people of Afghanistan prefer the Taliban the same as selected Jews were kept from the gas chamber because the Nazis needed someone to clean up and dispose of the bodies.
Some choice...some choice for the people of Afghanistan. I don't know what weed you are smoking falah but you seriously need to change brands. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 26th, 2012 at 8:00pm Annie Anthrax wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 6:56pm:
The Taliban were not perfect, but they brought security and and stability to areas under their control. They eliminated corruption too. Importantly, they ruled by the laws of God Almighty. The burka rule, as well as limiting women's travel, and the education of girls were temporary solutions to big problems that Afghanistan, and the Taliban planned to ease these restrictions once they had established security across the country. For example, By 1999, the Taliban had relaxed the dress code for women as security had increased. The solutions that the Taliban came up with may or may not be oppressive, but should be viewed in the context of political instability, civil war, and huge problem with women and children being abducted and raped by warlords. Also, issues are not a simple as propagandists would like us to believe. The propgandists say that women were not allowed to work in Afghanistan, whereas the Taliban say that they could not afford to employ women in the public sector, and therefore limited female workers to the most essential sectors. Women were employed by the Taliban in the private and public health sector,as well as to guard female prisoners and to search female passengers at airports. They also had plans to employ female teachers to work at girls schools. In the year prior to the US invasion, there were some high-ranking Taliban who indicated that they were in favor of allowing women to work for NGOs as well. However, the US invaded before any relaxation on the ban on working for NGOs could take place. Quote:
Are revolutions bad? The Arab Spring must have been a nightmare for you.[/quote] The West has conspired to prevent an Arab Spring. The CIA has been funneling money into pro-US political groups, and the media in Arab countries remains in the hands of pro-US businessman. The real revolution has not yet begun. The R does not stand for "revolution" it stands for "revolutionary". In communist/socialist propaganda "revolutionary" has a special meaning. Google Mao's Cultural Revolution for some understanding. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by PoliticalPuppet on Feb 26th, 2012 at 8:03pm falah wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 8:00pm:
Wow, you really dont have a clue |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by Annie Anthrax on Feb 26th, 2012 at 8:14pm
Of course. It's much easier to beat a woman with a cane because she showed a bit of ankle than provide security. ::)
And please don't tell me they didn't have the manpower - they had enough to terrorise an entire country of women into domestic imprisonment and men into compliance. As a Muslim man, it should be your duty to help protect those women from abuse. You can't possibly believe that the brutalisation of Afghani women is not as bad as it's made out to be? It's worse. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 26th, 2012 at 8:17pm bobbythefap1 wrote on Feb 26th, 2012 at 8:03pm:
Is President Obama sending 12,000 U.S. troops to Libya? http://digitaljournal.com/article/317943 US deploys 12,000 troops in Libya http://www.infowars.com/us-deploys-12000-troops-in-libya/ 19 Americans among 43 foreigners facing prosecution in Egypt Feb. 6, 2012 Nineteen Americans are among 43 foreigners working for groups that promote democratic activities that will be prosecuted for operating illegally in the country, Egyptian officials said Monday. Among the Americans is Sam LaHood, son of U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. Sam LaHood and five other Americans are in Egypt while the others have left, according to a statement from the Egyptian prosecutor's office. Altogether, 43 people face trials over illegally operating in Egypt and receiving funds from abroad... http://www.delmarvanow.com/article/20120206/NEWS01/120206035/WORLD-19-Americans-among-43-foreigners-facing-prosecution-Egypt |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by red baron on Feb 27th, 2012 at 12:03pm
falah - Annie has gone to great trouble to precisely outline the disgraceful way the Taliban treat Muslim women.
I don;t know if you can;t read but after all that has been printed on this post; for you to say that the Taliban uphold GOD'S LAWS is an aberration and an insult to the whole female race. The Koran has nothing to do with the way the Taliban treat women and men. You have corrupted the whole meaning of the Koran and your point of view is totally without value. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by falah on Feb 27th, 2012 at 9:59pm red baron wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 12:03pm:
What was posted was anti-Muslim propaganda. |
Title: Re: Egypt: Treatment of Women a 'Disgrace' - Clinton Post by red baron on Feb 28th, 2012 at 3:38pm
No.....it wasn't anti Muslim propaganda falah, it was upholding the right of Muslim women to be treated with dignity and respect as should every woman be treated thus on this planet.
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