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Title: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by olde.sault on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:35am

How is the solar panel production going?

Ofcourse, Tim Flannery's predictions went astray for it rained day after day. . .

BTW, where are Labor's professors of genius, Flannery and Garnaut?

So, for global warming!

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by olde.sault on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:47am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

PS : forgot the wind turbines. . .

Are they Singin' in the Rain?

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by Greens_Win on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:08am

When an economist gets a prediction incorrect, do the sceptics run around like cut chooks?

Tim Flannery Back Nuclear for Australia ... something Liberals and Nationals want ... do sceptics agree with Tim's nuclear position?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-C7OPUg9Lo

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:30am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:01am

I committ suicide if I lived out where you do Buzz.

It sounds like an episode of the Good Life.

Compare that to the home I have in La Jolla where you could easily say I am first world and you are third.

Every comfort you could imagine and the beauty of it is, the United States does not penalise people on energy usage so I don't need all that nonsense you mention.

I help the enviornment in other ways.

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by olde.sault on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:54am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

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Again playing the ass, perceptions?

"Global warming", a political hoax is NOT a political subject?

You write as a right wing but don't act it out--

Another Turnbull perhaps?

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by olde.sault on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:59am

____ wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:08am:

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People drowned in Q-land because of Flannery's predictions.

Money was spent on a desalination plant.

I don't mind the latter because drought will return when this plant will be put to use.

Only a fool would have made such a prediction certainly, not even a professor of "something else".

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by olde.sault on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 9:01am

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:30am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

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Aren't you lucky!

It doesn't worry you that we others, who haven't got solar panels, are subsidising your power?

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by olde.sault on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 9:52am

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:30am:

[quote author=393A3233782537233A22560 link=1330202135/0#0 date=1330202135]
How is the solar panel production going?

Ofcourse, Tim Flannery's predictions went astray for it rained day after day. . .

BTW, where are Labor's professors of genius, Flannery and Garnaut?

So, for global warming!

Very WELL - thank you
My eighteen panels produced almost DOUBLE my consumtion
This means NO ELECTRICITY BILLS - plus an annual profit on the sale of excess, to Origin Energy, of around $1000 per annum

But not all GOOD news

Another month of Jan/Feb rainfall, Victoria's Central Highlands will be OFFICIALLY returned to a state of declared DROUGHT

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As far as I know the middle of Australia seldom sees rain, and there were deserts long before coal mining.

We are at the mercy of nature, and if we are not getting rain, someone else is experiencing floods..

This has always been the case and nothing has changed except politicians have become more dishonest.

To beat droughts and flood damage, we have to water Australia, harvest the rain, build more and more dams and channel water to the deserts.

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:49pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:01am:

"I committ suicide if I lived out where you do Buzz"

PLEASE, PLEASE, give it a try

"It sounds like an episode of the Good Life"

Not at ALL
I bask in the luxury of EVERY "creature comfort" I desire - in this 5 star energy rated home
3 way insulation
Double glazing
( ... maintaining an inside temprature of 20-25 degrees, regardless of exterior forces)
State of the art, retro styled, Italian stove
Indian slate floors, throughout
48 plasma screen in open plan lounge-dining-kitchen
48 3D LED in the bedroom
36 LED in the guest room
Wireless media network storing 200 moves and sit-coms
3 wireless internet terminals

NO McCubbins, but the real thing - outside every window
( ... and we OWN every view)

I guess we ARE living ...

"Compare that to the home I have in La Jolla ...

... where you could easily say I am first world and you are third"

No "gated compounds" ...
No 4 metre high fences ...
( ... none at ALL - in fact)

I mean, CHRIST - sometimes I don't even lock the DOORS at night

" ... the United States does not penalise people on energy usage so I don't need all that nonsense you mention.

I help the enviornment in other ways"

NO, you DON'T
You are a self confessed, ENVIRONMENTAL VANDAL

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 12:57pm

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 8:59am:

Money was spent on a desalination plant.

I don't mind the latter because drought will return when this plant will be put to use.

A bit of "kudos" TO you
It's ENCOURAGING to see a "rightie" admit to this scenario being a REALITY

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by muso on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 3:16pm

Once more, what the bugger has in the weather in 2012 in Sydney got to do with the accuracy of IPCC predictions? The last time I checked, none of the Working Groups "do local Weather Forecasts".

I don't follow Flannery, but if he predicted hot dry weather for Sydney in February 2012 (which I very much doubt) then he doesn't deserve any defence. I'm pretty sure that Garnaud is an accountant who was given the job of outlining an economical plan for the future based on the input of climate science. I'm equally sure that he didn't make any predictions for February 2012 in Sydney, and again if he did, then he stands alone because I'm pretty sure that any such predictions were not based on the science that I know.

I've also had it up to here with people talking about my profession as if it was some kind of theoretical Earth Science version of phrenology. Well, I'm sorry but it's hard physical science.

They come around here talking about global hoaxes, parroting the words of imbeciles like Monckton, and they don't have the slightest clue about the science. Even if I even mention concepts that are taught in Year 9, they run away with their tail between their legs complaining that I'm trying to baffle them with technical jargon and ridiculing their standpoint.

Well I make no apologies for it. A position of proudly arrogant ignorance deserves to be ridiculed, or exposed for what it is. So be prepared to defend your position.

If I offend your sensibilities because you present ridiculous ideas here, especially ideas that you don't understand and can't defend in your own words, then expect those ideas to be ridiculed. (I'm not advocating personal attacks). I don't care if you're 96 years old and some Mother Theresa clone, if you are arguing on a subject that you don't understand, then you deserve everything that you get.

I sometimes wish that a real denialist (as opposed to a parrot-style "cut and paste" denialist) would post on here. I would love to be able to expose their hypocrisy for all to see.

This is not political. If anything I lean to the Right in the political sphere. Unfortunately some elements of the Right in Australia have been hijacked by those who spread disinformation.

On this subject I stand for truth and justice, and I stand for the sanctity of knowledge, and I believe that those are worthy ideals to defend.

If I take a few days to respond this week, it's because of work commitments. I'll do my best.

Title: Re: Not much sunshine this summer
Post by buzzanddidj on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 7:08am

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 7:30am:

olde.sault wrote on Feb 26^th, 2012 at 6:35am:

Very WELL - thank you
My eighteen panels produced almost DOUBLE my consumption
This means NO ELECTRICITY BILLS - plus an annual profit on the sale of excess, to Origin Energy, of around $1000 per annum

But not all GOOD news

Another month of Jan/Feb rainfall, Victoria's Central Highlands will be OFFICIALLY returned to a state of declared DROUGHT

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Aren't you lucky!

It doesn't worry you that we others, who haven't got solar panels, are subsidising your power?

Not in the SLIGHTEST !

I'm not a WEALTHY person
( ... most of the time, part time work earns me less than a pension)
But I CHOSE to go into short term debt to cover the the difference between the total cost - and the Federal and State rebates

This opportunity was offered to ALL and EVERYONE

Climate change deniers who CHOSE to "bite off their nose - to spite their face" in rejecting the offer - largely because it was a LABOR initiative - have only themselves to BLAME

I believe supporters of DIRTY ENERGY production - SHOULD be paying more for energy