Lestat wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 10:34am:

freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 10:07pm: Quote: Zionism is similar to any sort of colonialism - except that it is one of the more evil and oppressive types like Apartheid in South Africa. Is it true that Israeli arabs and Muslims have more freedom than those in all of Israel's neighbouring states? No it isn't...unless of course you believe having your home bulldozed is a sign of 'freedom'. Then again, being the dipsh(t you are...who knows what you believe.

Israel gives a good illusion of freedom.
The treatment of non Jews over there is shocking..
You might be free to do something in some cases, but you will probably get rocks thrown at you or worse.

We all know that the Israeli treatment of Palestinians is disgusting and should be condemned.

Condemn one form of oppression and support another. I have to wonder why people who support Israel condemn other forms of violence by other nations? Is it just to make yourself feel/look good?

Even the treatment of non-Askhenazi Jews isn't that crash hot.

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Even the treatment of non-Askhenazi Jews isn't that crash hot.

But nothing like the sunni/shia mutual bombing, surely.

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Even the treatment of non-Askhenazi Jews isn't that crash hot. But nothing like the sunni/shia mutual bombing, surely.

The Palestinians locked behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon wouldn't be feeling the love from their Muslim brothers right about now. :)

freediver wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

Lestat wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 10:34am: freediver wrote on Feb 19th, 2012 at 10:07pm: Quote: Zionism is similar to any sort of colonialism - except that it is one of the more evil and oppressive types like Apartheid in South Africa. Is it true that Israeli arabs and Muslims have more freedom than those in all of Israel's neighbouring states? No it isn't...unless of course you believe having your home bulldozed is a sign of 'freedom'. Then again, being the dipsh(t you are...who knows what you believe.

Arabs serve in the Israeli Parliament and well as there being a serving Arab General in the IDF.
The standard of living for Arabs in Israel is the highest in the Middle East.
This fact has been no accident.
Jewish residents have also had their homes bulldozed in the name of peace.
Some like to forget these facts.

Soren wrote on Feb 27^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Even the treatment of non-Askhenazi Jews isn't that crash hot. But nothing like the sunni/shia mutual bombing, surely.

What about the Sufi they enjoy a good old sectarian bombing as well.

The Ahmadi muslims are persecuted by all sects,that will teach them for trying to reform Islam.

So it's true? Israel is actually liberating these people?

freediver wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 6:23pm:

So it's true? Israel is actually liberating these people?

Peace through superior firepower, right...

Israel is the aggressor in all these situations, they have not liberated anyone

Being aggressive and a liberator are not mutually exclusive. Ask Abu. He justifies a lot of Islam's warmongering by saying that taxes were lowered after the Muslims invaded.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:23pm: So it's true? Israel is actually liberating these people? Peace through superior firepower, right... Israel is the aggressor in all these situations, they have not liberated anyone

I don't think that even you believe that Israel is responsible for the shia/sunni sectarian violence within Islam.


In any case, the Muslim Abarb citizens of Israel are the luckiest Muslim Arabs of the Middle East, by a very, very long margin. To them and their children,  Israel is a godsent. or insh'allah, as they say. Their lives are better, freer, more secure and brimming with opportunity, compared to the hopelss lives of hundreds of millions of Middle Eastern Arabs living in their 'Muslim lands' (and whose lives would not change one little bit if Israel disappeared overnight).

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:23pm: So it's true? Israel is actually liberating these people? Peace through superior firepower, right... Israel is the aggressor in all these situations, they have not liberated anyone

Yes, they should just lie down and take the missile fire without responding.
The UN will save them. :)

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 7:52am:

Soren wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:47pm: abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Even the treatment of non-Askhenazi Jews isn't that crash hot. But nothing like the sunni/shia mutual bombing, surely. The Palestinians locked behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon wouldn't be feeling the love from their Muslim brothers right about now. :)

Lebanon is not a Muslim country; its president is Christian.

60% of Jordan's population is Palestinian, and when I visited, I did not see them living behind razor wire.t census was held it was a Christian- majority country. The president of Lebanon is Christian.

Jordan's population is 60% Palestinian. None of the many Palestinians I met in Jordan lived behind razor wire. Many of the palestinians worked in the university I attended.


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More than 2 million registered refugees live in Jordan. All Palestine refugees in Jordan have full Jordanian citizenship with the exception of almost 140,000 refugees originally from the Gaza Strip, which up to 1967 was administered by Egypt. They are eligible for temporary Jordanian passports, which do not entitle them to full citizenship rights such as the right to vote and employment with the government. http://www.unrwa.org/etemplate.php?id=66

So the Jordanian government has given full citizenship to almost 2 million Palestinian refugees.

Australians are up in arms when a few thousand refugees turn up. The Jordanians have looked up their Muslim brothers.

How would you guys react if China invaded Australia??

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 9:18pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:26pm: freediver wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 6:23pm: So it's true? Israel is actually liberating these people? Peace through superior firepower, right... Israel is the aggressor in all these situations, they have not liberated anyone I don't think that even you believe that Israel is responsible for the shia/sunni sectarian violence within Islam. In any case, the Muslim Abarb citizens of Israel are the luckiest Muslim Arabs of the Middle East, by a very, very long margin. To them and their children,  Israel is a godsent. or insh'allah, as they say. Their lives are better, freer, more secure and brimming with opportunity, compared to the hopelss lives of hundreds of millions of Middle Eastern Arabs living in their 'Muslim lands'

This is the opportunity that Arabs face under Israel:



http://www.deiryassin.org/




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Fear of peace will be the death of Israel ...Things have reached such a devastating point, that for the first time in recent memory, even Ehud Barak is beginning to get it: [b]"The simple truth is, if there is one state" including Israel, the West Bank and Gaza, "it will have to be either binational or undemocratic," Barak told the Herzliya Conference Tuesday. [/b]. "If this bloc of millions of Palestinians cannot vote, that will be an apartheid state."... http://www.haaretz.com/news/fear-of-peace-will-be-the-death-of-israel-1.262696

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 9:32am:

How would you guys react if China invaded Australia??

We would put the Greens and left wingers on the front line. :)

falah wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 8:34am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 7:52am: Soren wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 7:47pm: abu_rashid wrote on Feb 27th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Even the treatment of non-Askhenazi Jews isn't that crash hot. But nothing like the sunni/shia mutual bombing, surely. The Palestinians locked behind razor wire in Jordan and Lebanon wouldn't be feeling the love from their Muslim brothers right about now. :) Lebanon is not a Muslim country; its president is Christian. 60% of Jordan's population is Palestinian, and when I visited, I did not see them living behind razor wire.t census was held it was a Christian- majority country. The president of Lebanon is Christian. Jordan's population is 60% Palestinian. None of the many Palestinians I met in Jordan lived behind razor wire. Many of the palestinians worked in the university I attended. Quote: More than 2 million registered refugees live in Jordan. All Palestine refugees in Jordan have full Jordanian citizenship with the exception of almost 140,000 refugees originally from the Gaza Strip, which up to 1967 was administered by Egypt. They are eligible for temporary Jordanian passports, which do not entitle them to full citizenship rights such as the right to vote and employment with the government. http://www.unrwa.org/etemplate.php?id=66 So the Jordanian government has given full citizenship to almost 2 million Palestinian refugees. Australians are up in arms when a few thousand refugees turn up. The Jordanians have looked up their Muslim brothers.

Except for those Palestinians with dual passports.
Jordan no longer recognises those remember.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 9:32am: How would you guys react if China invaded Australia?? We would put the Greens and left wingers on the front line. :)

Yes. Give them guns.