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Weather forecasting is obviously not Professor Tim Flannery's forte METEOROLOGISTS suggested Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery leave weather forecasting to them as the big wet defies his prediction rain would become scarce. In 2007 Professor Flannery said Sydney, Adelaide and Brisbane were in urgent need of desalination plants. Four years on, Warragamba Dam is on the verge of overflowing and Brisbane last year endured the worst flooding in almost four decades. After yesterday discovering Professor Flannery is not a meteorologist, the Weather Channel's meteorologists said it was probably best he left the forecasting to them. [...] http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/weather-forecasting-is-obviously-not-professor-tim-flannerys-forte/story-e6freuzi-1226285558977

Public acts of masturbation should be discouraged.

The de-sal plant is a long term investment designed to safeguard sydney against drought.

In case anyone hadnt noticed, sydney is still growing, and its catchment area is not.

Complaining about a drought strategy in times of flood is foolish beyond compare.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:33pm:

The de-sal plant is a long term investment designed to safeguard sydney against drought. In case anyone hadnt noticed, sydney is still growing, and its catchment area is not. Complaining about a drought strategy in times of flood is foolish beyond compare.

the thread is about flannery's predictions which were about as wrong as it is possible to get.

another ACC hysteric takes a very public drubbing.

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 3:33pm: The de-sal plant is a long term investment designed to safeguard sydney against drought. In case anyone hadnt noticed, sydney is still growing, and its catchment area is not. Complaining about a drought strategy in times of flood is foolish beyond compare. the thread is about flannery's predictions which were about as wrong as it is possible to get. another ACC hysteric takes a very public drubbing.

as usual, you fail to provide flannery's quote in full, which clearly states, your honour, that Mr Flannery was talking about the future in many decades where drought will be more severe than it has ever been, and your honour, de-sal plant kicking in at 70% or below, as its is brief, will safeguard sydney water for much longer than it is now.  The defence rests its case.


You spin bs, and then you spin some more.  Such is the way of the deniers.

Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o

http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html

No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::)

Ice bergs have been breaking off the Arctic and Antartic for millions f year Gist, there's nothing new in that old acorn. Like all the other crap the scientists are dredging about climate change, YES there is climate change and evolution, as Elvis would say, That's the way it is."

Flannery is a bloody idiot and those climate change wankers had to change it from Global Warming to Climate Change because the dickheads keep getting it wrong.

Bu they do know all...f...k all!

We knew the Telegraph would post a climate change article after the latest floods. It was just a matter of when.

Climate scientists do know f..ck all. About the only thing they've predicted is an increase in extreme climate events - like droughts, floods, tsunamis, cyclones, etc, etc, etc.

Gist wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 6:07pm:

Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::)

You hear about this alot.

I've always wondered what effect all the ice breaking has.

Seems to be more and bigger ice breakers calving up the ice everywhere these days.

:-/

Gist wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 6:07pm:

Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::)

Oooooowwwww.
We've never had icebergs before.
The climate must be changing.
Lets have an air tax and change the climate. ;D ;D ;D

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 7:02am:

Gist wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 6:07pm: Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::) Oooooowwwww. We've never had icebergs before. The climate must be changing. Lets have an air tax and change the climate. ;D ;D ;D

There's an excellent book by Jared Diamond called "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive" which investigates the collapse of several societies in the past and present. It's worth reading. Anyway, in there Diamond asks the question as to what may have been going through the mind of the polynesians on Easter Island as they cut down their last tree to move their stone statues.

Posts like yours and the others may help answer that question chook.

By the way, there's a fairly large chapter on Australia. Like I say, worth reading.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 7:02am:

Oooooowwwww. We've never had icebergs before. The climate must be changing. Lets have an air tax and change the climate. ;D ;D ;D

Good example of this:

Reductionism 101:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Example:
Statement:
60 million people died as a result of World War II

Reductionist stock answer:
Oooooowwwww.
We've never had people die before.

or:

People have been dying for millions of year, There's nothing new in that old acorn.

(The devil is in the detail.)

FriYAY wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2012 at 2:08pm:

Gist wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 6:07pm: Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::) You hear about this alot. I've always wondered what effect all the ice breaking has. Seems to be more and bigger ice breakers calving up the ice everywhere these days. :-/

That's relatively thin sea ice. If they meddle with Icebergs, they end up with a chamber orchestra on the deck playing "Nearer my God to thee"   

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 3:33pm:

The de-sal plant is a long term investment designed to safeguard sydney against drought. In case anyone hadnt noticed, sydney is still growing, and its catchment area is not. Complaining about a drought strategy in times of flood is foolish beyond compare.

especially as the 30 day SOI just dipped below zero near the end of February. The current flooding rains could change in a matter of years.

muso wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 11:13am:

FriYAY wrote on Mar 2nd, 2012 at 2:08pm: Gist wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 6:07pm: Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::) You hear about this alot. I've always wondered what effect all the ice breaking has. Seems to be more and bigger ice breakers calving up the ice everywhere these days. :-/ That's relatively thin sea ice. If they meddle with Icebergs, they end up with a chamber orchestra on the deck playing "Nearer my God to thee"

Yep, i know, but i'm talking about the region, the entire pack, surely that entire ice pack suffers from the gaps created by ice breaking. Like chipping away at the edge and never letting the pack freeze totally?

Anyway i was watching a doco and the size of the ice breakers and the amount of ice breakng that happens these days, just made me wonder.

(wouldn't be helping)

salad in wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:59pm:

Quote: Weather forecasting is obviously not Professor Tim Flannery's forte METEOROLOGISTS suggested Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery leave weather forecasting to them as the big wet defies his prediction rain would become scarce. In 2007 Professor Flannery said Sydney, Adelaide and Brisbane were in urgent need of desalination plants. Four years on, Warragamba Dam is on the verge of overflowing and Brisbane last year endured the worst flooding in almost four decades. After yesterday discovering Professor Flannery is not a meteorologist, the Weather Channel's meteorologists said it was probably best he left the forecasting to them. [...] http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/weather-forecasting-is-obviously-not-professor-tim-flannerys-forte/story-e6freuzi-1226285558977 Public acts of masturbation should be discouraged.

Well I think he got it very wrong.

Windsor/Richmond low lying areas will be under by tomorrow morning and I should have the water views back.

Just keep these tourists away... they are causing a very big problem!!

muso wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 11:07am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 7:02am: Oooooowwwww. We've never had icebergs before. The climate must be changing. Lets have an air tax and change the climate. ;D ;D ;D Good example of this: Reductionism 101: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Example: Statement: 60 million people died as a result of World War II Reductionist stock answer: Oooooowwwww. We've never had people die before. or: People have been dying for millions of year, There's nothing new in that old acorn. (The devil is in the detail.)

A good example? ;D
It's chalk and cheese.

Gist wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2012 at 10:50am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 3rd, 2012 at 7:02am: Gist wrote on Mar 1st, 2012 at 6:07pm: Meanwhile the Antarctic is breaking up. A 900 square kilometre iceberg is in the process of being calved  :o http://www.smh.com.au/environment/climate-change/gigantic-antarctic-crack-mapped-for-the-first-time-20120301-1u4bt.html No ... climate change isn't happening. You deniers were right all along!  ::) Oooooowwwww. We've never had icebergs before. The climate must be changing. Lets have an air tax and change the climate. ;D ;D ;D There's an excellent book by Jared Diamond called "Collapse: How Societies Choose to Fail or Survive" which investigates the collapse of several societies in the past and present. It's worth reading. Anyway, in there Diamond asks the question as to what may have been going through the mind of the polynesians on Easter Island as they cut down their last tree to move their stone statues.Posts like yours and the others may help answer that question chook. By the way, there's a fairly large chapter on Australia. Like I say, worth reading.

Read another book and it could well tell you aliens put the statues there.
In fact, if you get half a dozen books on the subject, you will have six different explanations.
It's up to the individual which one they choose to beleive.
And they can't all be right. :)

It's called critical reading, chicken_lipsforme. You're a walking manifestation of the Gonski report. Talk back is no substitute for a good education.

salad in wrote on Mar 1^st, 2012 at 2:59pm:

Quote: Weather forecasting is obviously not Professor Tim Flannery's forte METEOROLOGISTS suggested Climate Commissioner Tim Flannery leave weather forecasting to them as the big wet defies his prediction rain would become scarce. In 2007 Professor Flannery said Sydney, Adelaide and Brisbane were in urgent need of desalination plants. Four years on, Warragamba Dam is on the verge of overflowing and Brisbane last year endured the worst flooding in almost four decades. After yesterday discovering Professor Flannery is not a meteorologist, the Weather Channel's meteorologists said it was probably best he left the forecasting to them. [...] http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/sydney-nsw/weather-forecasting-is-obviously-not-professor-tim-flannerys-forte/story-e6freuzi-1226285558977 Public acts of masturbation should be discouraged.

I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response.

MOTR wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 11:15pm:

I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response.

And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private.

MOTR wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 11:02pm:

It's called critical reading, chicken_lipsforme. You're a walking manifestation of the Gonski report. Talk back is no substitute for a good education.

No it's not is it.
You can call it critical reading.
A million others would call it selective reading.

salad in wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 6:58am:

MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:15pm: I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response. And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private.

Can you find the direct quote where he said that.

MOTR wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 1:45pm:

salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 6:58am: MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:15pm: I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response. And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private. Can you find the direct quote where he said that.

Yes I can. Can you?

salad in wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 1:45pm: salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 6:58am: MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:15pm: I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response. And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private. Can you find the direct quote where he said that. Yes I can. Can you?

So you know that he didnt say never again from this point foward.  he said that, and I'm paraphrasing, that if global warming is left unchecked there will come a time where the dams will run dry..

A bit of hyperbole no doubt, but certainly not dis-proven yet.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 4:32pm:

salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:23pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 1:45pm: salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 6:58am: MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:15pm: I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response. And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private. Can you find the direct quote where he said that. Yes I can. Can you? So you know that he didnt say never again from this point foward.  he said that, and I'm paraphrasing, that if global warming is left unchecked there will come a time where the dams will run dry.. A bit of hyperbole no doubt, but certainly not dis-proven yet.

He, Professor (cough cough) Flannery used words such as "permanent nature" "I would love to be wrong" "the science is pointing in other directions". Sounds like the words of someone convinced that the change to a drier and warmer climate is here to stay.

salad in wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 4:23pm:

MOTR wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 1:45pm: salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 6:58am: MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:15pm: I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response. And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private. Can you find the direct quote where he said that. Yes I can. Can you?

No. Could you give me the link.

salad in wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:32pm: salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 4:23pm: MOTR wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 1:45pm: salad in wrote on Mar 8th, 2012 at 6:58am: MOTR wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:15pm: I don't recall a single meteorologist predicting an intensification of the La Nina/El Nino cycle. It is simply beyond their ken. Flannery was picking up on an unprecedented decades long trend, which at the time demanded a policy response. And so it is very dangerous to make statements like....the east coast of Australia will never again have dam filling rains. That's the reason why I suggested that masturbation should be done in private. Can you find the direct quote where he said that. Yes I can. Can you? So you know that he didnt say never again from this point foward.  he said that, and I'm paraphrasing, that if global warming is left unchecked there will come a time where the dams will run dry.. A bit of hyperbole no doubt, but certainly not dis-proven yet. He, Professor (cough cough) Flannery used words such as "permanent nature" "I would love to be wrong" "the science is pointing in other directions". Sounds like the words of someone convinced that the change to a drier and warmer climate is here to stay.

So you are now back pedalling from your original claim about Flannery ?