Attention span required  :)

http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

This was awesome.

There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts.

Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs!

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What's with the panic?

Can any nation seriously challenge Israel anyway?

Israel's greatest threat, like those of its neighbours, is the threat from within... Jewish religious extremist fundamentalism.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 10:22am:

This was awesome. There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts. Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs!

Ill bugger mossad in its ass

lol @ Andrei's reaction to this thread, so clueless

I actually own and have read the book, including a lot of the critical responses to it including Abe Foxman's lame-o hysterical screeching reaction and Mearshimer and Walt's privately distributed followup. It's a very good book though the authors bend over backwards at times to demonstrate how non "anti-semitic" they are which becomes tiresome fast. The take home message is pretty profound and more or less unscathed by the mountainload of criticisms (from the usual suspects) the book has received, though would be completely over the heads of the moralising philosemite and to a lesser extent the philopalestinian crowd. 

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:22am: This was awesome. There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts. Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs! Ill bugger mossad in its ass

And you will come off worse.

MOSSAD's take no sh*t attitude earns my eternal respect.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 12:00pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:34am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:22am: This was awesome. There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts. Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs! Ill bugger mossad in its ass And you will come off worse. MOSSAD's take no sh*t attitude earns my eternal respect.

They will reap what they have sown

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:00pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:34am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:22am: This was awesome. There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts. Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs! Ill bugger mossad in its ass And you will come off worse. MOSSAD's take no sh*t attitude earns my eternal respect. They will reap what they have sown

"Whilst there is no comment on ongoing operations, the overriding view I hold is that you cannot be threatened by dead people."

MOSSAD Director, Meir Dagan.
Jerusalem, Israel.

Keep condoning the slaughter of innocent people Andre; I hope it helps you sleep at night.

barnaby joe wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

I actually own and have read the book,

can internet trolls read books now?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

barnaby joe wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:44am: I actually own and have read the book,   can internet trolls read books now?

thinking you are a retard and continuously calling you out on it is not trolling, andrei.

barnaby joe wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 11:44am:

lol @ Andrei's reaction to this thread, so clueless I actually own and have read the book, including a lot of the critical responses to it including Abe Foxman's lame-o hysterical screeching reaction and Mearshimer and Walt's privately distributed followup. It's a very good book though the authors bend over backwards at times to demonstrate how non "anti-semitic" they are which becomes tiresome fast. The take home message is pretty profound and more or less unscathed by the mountainload of criticisms (from the usual suspects) the book has received, though would be completely over the heads of the moralising philosemite and to a lesser extent the philopalestinian crowd.

Well it was worth the time just to elicit that response. Respect.

The way I see it it's just an interesting document for future historians. The rot may have started in the ME but the whole apples gone rotten now.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Keep condoning the slaughter of innocent people Andre; I hope it helps you sleep at night.

Mossad removes terror leaders.

Arab terrorists slaughter innocents by the scores.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:04pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Keep condoning the slaughter of innocent people Andre; I hope it helps you sleep at night. Mossad removes terror leaders. Arab terrorists slaughter innocents by the scores.

Now if they would just do the same to their ultra-conservative Orthodox Jewish leaders...

Israel has taken action on any number of occasions on Israeli citizens relating to activities of that nature.

Last year, Israeli soldiers intervened and arrested several Jewish settlers for firing into the Palestinian occupied territory.

Let's try and paint a reasonably fair picture of events please.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:16pm:

Israel has taken action on any number of occasions on Israeli citizens relating to activities of that nature. Last year, Israeli soldiers intervened and arrested several Jewish settlers for firing into the Palestinian occupied territory. Let's try and paint a reasonably fair picture of events please.

I think you'd better read up on the destructive effects on Israeli society afflicted on it by the ultra-conservative orthodox... Worse than any Israeli / Arab conflict on Israeli society.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 11:34am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:22am: This was awesome. There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts. Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs! Ill bugger mossad in its ass

No you won't.





It was easy [and not at all dangerous] for armed Germans [Nazis] to herd unarmed Jews onto cattle trucks, and unload them, into concentration camps.

But armed Jews ?

No one will mess with the Jewish people again, now that they have their own state, and now that they are  armed, and now that the Jewish people have the will to defend themselves.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 12:11pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:00pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 11:34am: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 10:22am: This was awesome. There was a pro-Palestine demo in LA the other month and a load of Jews rocked up in these Tee shirts. Gotta love the Israelis. Take no sh*t from the Arabs! Ill bugger mossad in its ass And you will come off worse. MOSSAD's take no sh*t attitude earns my eternal respect. They will reap what they have sown

While Mossad's enemies never will [reap what they have sown] ???

LOL




In your dreams.

I quote my good old university housemate.

A guy born in Detroit, parents from Germany who moved to Israel.

He even went and served 2 years in the Israeli Army to ensure he had his citizenship.

"What the holocaust did was create generations of people like me who will ensure, that by any means necessary, nobody will bugger with the Jews again"

An awesome quote that sums it up for millions, he is a great guy too.

Yes, my friend, we Pakistanis have a quote like that too.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:04pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Keep condoning the slaughter of innocent people Andre; I hope it helps you sleep at night. Mossad removes terror leaders. Arab terrorists slaughter innocents by the scores. Now if they would just do the same to their ultra-conservative Orthodox Jewish leaders...

LOL


And how likely is that ?          :P


Matthew 12:25
.....Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:35pm:

"What the holocaust did was create generations of people like me who will ensure, that by any means necessary, nobody will bugger with the Jews again"

Who's going to save the Israelis from the now politically and socially powerful ultra-orthodox rabbis?

Kind of ironic that Israel's greatest challenge to the state is the same as it's neighbouring Islamic enemies.

Yadda wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:37pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:14pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:04pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Keep condoning the slaughter of innocent people Andre; I hope it helps you sleep at night. Mossad removes terror leaders. Arab terrorists slaughter innocents by the scores. Now if they would just do the same to their ultra-conservative Orthodox Jewish leaders... LOL And how likely is that ?          :P

Highly unlikely. Israel risks becoming as much a psychopathic theocratic state as Iran... Yahweh doth has a sense of humour.

Karnal wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:36pm:

Yes, my friend, we Pakistanis have a quote like that too.

K,

You mean this one....

"bugger India."    ????




Google;
'pakistan' means, land of the pure


A land full of [cricket] cheats, more like it.

The land of 97% moslems.

Israel is a modern democracy surrounded by neighbours who have attacked it without provocation on several occasions in the last 50 years.

It is perfectly within its rights to act as it has done to remove threats to its existence.

A blinding reason why it remains so strongly supported by the United States.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:38pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:35pm: "What the holocaust did was create generations of people like me who will ensure, that by any means necessary, nobody will bugger with the Jews again" Q. Who's going to save the Israelis from the now politically and socially powerful ultra-orthodox rabbis?

A.
The Holy One of Israel.

Karnal, one minute you are a gun-toting 'Nam Veteran, the next a Pakistani eh?

I didn't think Pakistan were in Vietnam?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

Israel is a modern democracy surrounded by neighbours who have attacked it without provocation on several occasions in the last 50 years. It is perfectly within its rights to act as it has done to remove threats to its existence.

And soon the threat to its current incarnation will come from within.

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:50pm: Israel is a modern democracy surrounded by neighbours who have attacked it without provocation on several occasions in the last 50 years. It is perfectly within its rights to act as it has done to remove threats to its existence. And soon the threat to its current incarnation will come from within.

Nonsense.
The current Government works well with the Orthodox Jewish lobbies.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

NorthOfNorth wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:53pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 1:50pm: Israel is a modern democracy surrounded by neighbours who have attacked it without provocation on several occasions in the last 50 years. It is perfectly within its rights to act as it has done to remove threats to its existence. And soon the threat to its current incarnation will come from within. Nonsense. The current Government works well with the Orthodox Jewish lobbies.

I think you'd better do some reading on this one.

If you are talking about the occasional nutter then yes, they are causing trouble.

80/20 rule though applies and Netanyahu has placated them on any number of domestic issues, including an increase in settlements in the next 5 years.

If being jewish means you support Israel and its slaughter of innocent people then bugger the jews I hope they get the hollocaust again and they deserved it lasttime

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 2:26pm:

If being jewish means you support Israel and its slaughter of innocent people then bugger the jews I hope they get the hollocaust again and they deserved it lasttime

Anti-Semitism alive and well.

It is against this prejudice that Israel continues to fight its corner.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 2:26pm: If being jewish means you support Israel and its slaughter of innocent people then bugger the jews I hope they get the hollocaust again and they deserved it lasttime Anti-Semitism alive and well. It is against this prejudice that Israel continues to fight its corner.

Once again if not supporting the slaughter of innocent people by the terrorist state Israel is anti semitic then I am anti semitic

Israel will get what it deserves soon enough.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 2:09pm:

If you are talking about the occasional nutter then yes, they are causing trouble.

No, I'm talking about the current 10% who make up over 20% of primary school age children in Israel. Whose population is expected to increase to nearly 25% within 20 years

Who :

Demand segregation of men and women in public places (including buses - women must sit at the back... remind you of anything?)

Demand strict dress codes for men and women

Shun learning past primary school age of sciences, maths etc.

Do not have the basic skills to manage a modern nation

Refuse to serve in the military

Demand all of Israel be returned to them, recognising no rights at all to non-Jews anywhere within the ancient borders of Israel

Hold significant political power

....

And on it goes...

Remember that picture of the situation room during the assassination of Osama bin Laden... Where Hillary Clinton had been photoshopped out in the Israeli press? Why was that, do you think?

As I said... Read.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 2:27pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 2:26pm: If being jewish means you support Israel and its slaughter of innocent people then bugger the jews I hope they get the hollocaust again and they deserved it lasttime Anti-Semitism alive and well. It is against this prejudice that Israel continues to fight its corner. Once again if not supporting the slaughter of innocent people by the terrorist state Israel is anti semitic then I am anti semitic Israel will get what it deserves soon enough.

You are anti-semitic.

Israel is not a terrorist.

Israel is a democracy. In fact Arabs have greater rights in Israel than they do in their own neighbouring countries.
Countries like Jordan, which deliberately keeps over 1m Palestinians in refugee camps for political pressure reasons.
Countries like Syria, which oppresses its own people under dictatorship.

Israel is a stable democracy, which has been attacked UNPROVOKED on many separate occasions by all of its neighbours.

And then, in the classic logic only an Arab could believe, when Israel beats them back behind their borders - they then cry for the return of their borders that existed BEFORE they launched their cowardly assaults.

Israel is a friend of the United States and Australia and long may they receive our support.

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Well I am happy to be anti Semitic if that’s what you think it is. For the record I have nothing against Jewish people in general, I just do not support their terrorism and human rights atrocities.

Please check the dictionary, Israel fits the definition of a terrorist exactly.

Israel is a false democracy with an illusion of public influence on government just like in the US or Australia.

It is a nation built on death and destruction; they cry foul when someone defends themselves but reserve the right to kill thousands of innocent people for no reason.

Israel will get what it deserves, and you are a brainwashed psychopath.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgo44lBFE71qf0iqpo1_500.gif
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesD/Montreal.jpg
http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6506/jrl121hh.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_B2S0U2DzCi4/S83zS-tWi3I/AAAAAAAAA4E/SpIXvYYQSbM/s1600/jewsburnisraeliflag2.jpg
http://www.ukfpi.org/images/latuffantisemitismantisemitismsheep.png

You call Israel democratic? charter 99 is for democracy
and from section 7, 9, 11 ,12 and 13 quoting from the charter.

Uphold fundamental human rights:
7. Strengthen world citizenship based on compliance with and respect for the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and all international instruments on Human Rights, including the six core treaties on economic, social and cultural rights; civil and political rights; racial discrimination; discrimination against women, children's rights, torture, and the Conventions on genocide, refugees and labor standards.

Promote social progress and better standards of life:
9. Establish a strong UN institution for Economic and Environmental security to promote international prosperity, protect the global commons and secure reasonable development.

10. Establish an International Environmental Court to enforce international treaties on the environment and protect the global commons.

11. Declare climate change to be an essential global security interest and establish a high-level international urgent action team to assist the UN Conference of the Parties on Climate Change to set a scientifically based glob ceiling on greenhouse gas emissions, to allocate national shares of permissible emissions based on convergence to equal per capita rights, and to work with governments, companies, international agencies and NGOs to cut emissions of greenhouse gases to a sustainable level.

12. Make poverty reduction a global priority: secure universal access to safe drinking water, health care, housing, education, family planning, gender equality, sustainable development and economic opportunities, and strengthen the capacity of development agencies to eliminate malnutrition, preventable diseases and absolute poverty through conservation and equitable sharing of global resources. Cancel the unpayable debts of the poorest nations and institute measures to prevent severe debt burdens from ever building up again.

These are just some of the most important issues crying out for urgent action by the world community. To make them happen, we need a determined effort to hold all agencies of global governance to account and democratize international decision-making.

Tell me where is Israel following charter 99?

Have you seen What their children watch on TV?
their children watch educational shows that promote to become a suicide warrior an honorary suicide warrior and actually practice it in this show i stormed into the building as a honorary suicide warrior and killed the heretics.
Young children a thought in the military how to shoot and  kill non followers of the Islam: The Koran inside this book
it actually says to kill the non followers. and they follow this faith.

Woman are inferior beings to men in this country.
they are not a democratic nation.

Have you seen what happened in France with the muslims?
they has isolated them selves in small communities where outsiders are frowned upon when they visit or go through these suburbs of Muslims only.

Did you know that the Muslims are planning to get enough Muslims and, Muslims followers into Australia to change some of our laws to sharia if you come to Australia to attempt to change it to follow the ways of ur faith and the ways in your country go back to your country
for if you try to change our law and our system and you follow a faith which tells you to kill non believers you are my enemy.

I don't blame the world that they hate Muslims for if you looked upon history and the plans that they have had and may still have.

The Muslims wish to rebuild Jerusalem. but no christian will be able to see it for non would be alive or a christian. to destroy Christianity and to overthrow civil government.

They are already trying to implement sharia law into Australian law. there have been secret law decisions within Muslim communities as with assault and etc..they do not use astrlian courts for these matters as you know
in their law man is above woman the judge always is for man the woman needs so much more to win a case let alone get heard the discrimination in their faith is outrageous.

Israel is Not democratic in any way.

They will get what they deserve im with political puppet.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 6:01pm:

Well I am happy to be anti Semitic if that’s what you think it is. For the record I have nothing against Jewish people in general, I just do not support their terrorism and human rights atrocities. Please check the dictionary, Israel fits the definition of a terrorist exactly. Israel is a false democracy with an illusion of public influence on government just like in the US or Australia. It is a nation built on death and destruction; .....they cry foul when someone defends themselves but reserve the right to kill thousands of innocent people for no reason. Israel will get what it deserves, and you are a brainwashed psychopath.

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgo44lBFE71qf0iqpo1_500.gif
That image, above, represents just more moslem PROJECTION, against Allah's enemies





THE MOTIVE.....
Moslems will wantonly murder non-moslems.  [In the case of Israel, moslems murder Jews].

Because killing non-moslems, is not a crime, per se, within ISLAM.

Because ISLAM's 'holy' texts 'sanctifies', and encourages, moslem aggression against, and the murder of, non-moslems, .......whenever non-moslems resist moslem authority.

AS PER.....

Allah's enemies.....
"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,..."
Koran 9.29



THE INTENDED CONSEQUENCE....IS THIS MOSLEM DUPLICITY AND HYPOCRISY [it is an evil intent, which moslems 'justify' to themselves].....

And when those non-moslems defend themselves, and whenever they kill their moslem attackers.....
.....then moslems always portray themselves as the victims of aggression, again moslems.

This political propaganda 'device' [use by moslems] is called 'PROJECTION'.

i.e.
'Projecting' blame onto others, for the things, the evil which we ourselves commit.







Every day, 'Palestinians' declare that they want the blood of their own children spilled, murdering the children of Jews.


Quote:

"Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html





"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.



IMAGE
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg


IMAGE
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/child_suicide_bomber.jpg


IMAGE
http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/hamas2.jpg


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http://images.tdaxp.com/tdaxp_upload/female_suicide_bomber_2.jpg


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http://www.science.co.il/arab-israeli-conflict/images/girl-suicide-bomber.jpg



Moslem hypocrites.


You promote the 'martyrdom', the wanton death, of your own children, as being a high moslem ideal......

And then expect sympathy [when you shed moslem crocodile tears] for the 'martyrdom', THE ORCHESTRATED DEATH OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN???


MOSLEM INTENT, AND ACTIONS = = PURE EVIL.

Yadda wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 1:28pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 5th, 2012 at 6:01pm: Well I am happy to be anti Semitic if that’s what you think it is. For the record I have nothing against Jewish people in general, I just do not support their terrorism and human rights atrocities. Please check the dictionary, Israel fits the definition of a terrorist exactly. Israel is a false democracy with an illusion of public influence on government just like in the US or Australia. It is a nation built on death and destruction; .....they cry foul when someone defends themselves but reserve the right to kill thousands of innocent people for no reason. Israel will get what it deserves, and you are a brainwashed psychopath. http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgo44lBFE71qf0iqpo1_500.gif That image, above, represents just more moslem PROJECTION, against Allah's enemies THE MOTIVE..... Moslems will wantonly murder non-moslems.  [In the case of Israel, moslems murder Jews]. Because killing non-moslems, is not a crime, per se, within ISLAM. Because ISLAM's 'holy' texts 'sanctifies', and encourages, moslem aggression against, and the murder of, non-moslems, .......whenever non-moslems resist moslem authority. AS PER..... Allah's enemies..... "....those who reject Allah have no protector." Koran 47.008 v. 8-11 Fight against, Allah's enemies..... "O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)." Koran 9.123 Fight against, Allah's enemies..... "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth,..." Koran 9.29 THE INTENDED CONSEQUENCE....IS THIS MOSLEM DUPLICITY AND HYPOCRISY [it is an evil intent, which moslems 'justify' to themselves]..... And when those non-moslems defend themselves, and whenever they kill their moslem attackers..... .....then moslems always portray themselves as the victims of aggression, again moslems. This political propaganda 'device' [use by moslems] is called 'PROJECTION'. i.e. 'Projecting' blame onto others, for the things, the evil which we ourselves commit. Every day, 'Palestinians' declare that they want the blood of their own children spilled, murdering the children of Jews. Quote: "Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood." "Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/02/moderate-palestinian-authority-tv-palestinian-children-created-to-fertilize-the-land-with-their-bloo.html "....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb. IMAGE http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/suicide_bomber_1_.jpg IMAGE http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/child_suicide_bomber.jpg IMAGE http://ivarfjeld.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/hamas2.jpg IMAGE http://images.tdaxp.com/tdaxp_upload/female_suicide_bomber_2.jpg IMAGE http://www.science.co.il/arab-israeli-conflict/images/girl-suicide-bomber.jpg Moslem hypocrites. You promote the 'martyrdom', the wanton death, of your own children, as being a high moslem ideal...... And then expect sympathy [when you shed moslem crocodile tears] for the 'martyrdom', THE ORCHESTRATED DEATH OF YOUR OWN CHILDREN??? MOSLEM INTENT, AND ACTIONS = = PURE EVIL.

A picture says a thousand words Yadda.
Well done.

Exactly.

Palestinians are b*stards.

I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Exactly. Palestinians are b*stards. I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face.

All over the world, every day, moslems murder moslems.

And moslems murder non-moslems.

And moslems then justify their ruthless, murderous actions, because moslems in their demented minds, see those murderous acts, as 'good works' for Allah's cause.





Andrei.Hicks,

All of those images of 'Palestinian' children, in my post # 38.


IMO, moslem children, such are those depicted, must be considered to be lawful combatants.


That is what ISLAM [itself] brings to the battlefield, TOTAL WAR.

There are no contemporary 'rules of war', for moslems.

Moslems do not recognise such 'rules'.

ISLAM itself, brings every moslem, every moslem man, woman, and child, as a combatant, to 'the battlefield'.





"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb.






and more moslem justification for the slaughter of children, during "Jihad operations"....

"....if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation."

.....those are the words of a moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems.

Google;
"There Can Be No End to Jihad"

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 2:07pm:

Exactly. Palestinians are b*stards. I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face.

Haha exactly how would you respond if someone stole your country and land from you and killed your family/blew up everything in site?

You're ALL pharkin religious nutters with the same superstitious , ridiculous , I'm better -than-you beliefs.


Get over it.

Join the 21st century.


PLEASE!!!!


For ALL our sakes.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:07pm: Exactly. Palestinians are b*stards. I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face. Haha exactly how would you respond if someone stole your country and land from you and killed your family/blew up everything in site?

If it was the Jews, I'd say 'insh'allah, at last our backwardness and misery under these bugger*ing imams are over! Allah is great!! Everybody ululate!!"

darkhall67 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 7:52pm:

You're ALL pharkin religious nutters with the same superstitious , ridiculous , I'm better -than-you beliefs.

Listen dark!!!

My God is bigger than his god.

So he should just get over it.








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;)

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:07pm: Exactly. Palestinians are b*stards. I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face. Haha exactly how would you respond if someone stole your country and land from you and killed your family/blew up everything in site?

The plain fact is, that moslems just refuse to accept the consequences of Turkey being on the losing side of WWI.

And moslems refuse to accept that property rights often change, after the social upheavals caused by wars.
......EXCEPT WHEN MOSLEMS ARE THE VICTORS IN WARS.

Then, moslems are always willing to accept that war changes property rights [.....whenever the changes to property rights are in their favour].




e.g.
At teh conclusion WWII, several millions of people were displaced by that war, in Europe.

How many of those displaced peoples are still displaced today ???



Why haven't the 'Palestinian' people been resettled in the ME ?

Is it because there is no place, no space, for the 'Palestinian' people, to live among their moslem brethren, in the ME ?

Or is there another reason why the 'Palestinian' problem, is such an intractable/unsolvable problem ?




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According to ISLAM/moslems, there is no place [i.e. there can be no tolerance] for a Jewish state anywhere in the Middle East.

There is NO DOUBLE STANDARD!!

Any civilian death is regrettable and unfortunate.

However if you can't see this difference then you are retarded -

1) Palestinian suicide bombers TARGET civilians. They get onto buses in Jerusalem and blow it up. They blow up cafes and market places. There are many innocent Israeli civilian deaths because that is their aim!

2) Palestinian civilian casualties occur as a result of operations aimed at targetting terrorists. The aim of the Israeli Army is to remove the threat posed and to MINIMIZE civilian casualties.

3) Palestinian terrorists will often deliberately operate from densely populated civilian areas with the aim of hiding behind innocents.

4) Israeli operations (and I know this from several friends who have served in the Israeli Army) cannot respond or engage in fire unless specifically authorization comes from Tel Aviv. They then must adhere to Israeli rules of engagement.

5) MOSSAD removes the threat from terrorists. It will only carry out an operation to eliminate a suspect after it has been removed and approved at the highest level in Jerusalem. No civilians are ever targetted.


That is the reality.

Yadda wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 3:00pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:07pm: Exactly. Palestinians are b*stards. I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face. All over the world, every day, moslems murder moslems. And moslems murder non-moslems. And moslems then justify their ruthless, murderous actions, because moslems in their demented minds, see those murderous acts, as 'good works' for Allah's cause. Andrei.Hicks, All of those images of 'Palestinian' children, in my post # 38. IMO, moslem children, such are those depicted, must be considered to be lawful combatants. That is what ISLAM [itself] brings to the battlefield, TOTAL WAR. There are no contemporary 'rules of war', for moslems. Moslems do not recognise such 'rules'. ISLAM itself, brings every moslem, every moslem man, woman, and child, as a combatant, to 'the battlefield'. "....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood." ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb. and more moslem justification for the slaughter of children, during "Jihad operations".... "....if children are killed, the fault lies with the adult occupiers who brought them into a battlefield situation." .....those are the words of a moslem cleric, explaining that it is the non-moslems who are always to blame, when non-moslem children [i.e. Jewish children in occupied 'Palestinian'] are killed in "Jihad operations" with moslems. Google; "There Can Be No End to Jihad"

I think the news story from the West Bank last year also helps to give truth via evidence to your words Yadda.
An Israeli roadblock was approached by an obviously mentally handicapped child who was quite distraught and crying as he approached the checkpoint.
The soldiers told him to stop and he kept walking towards them.
His jacket fell open only to reveal explosives were strapped to his chest.
One lone Israeli soldier bravely approached the child and disarmed the bomb.
I suspect a thousand other people would have shot the boy.
This mentally handicapped child was kidnapped by extremists in the childs village and other mentally handicapped children were taken from other villages.
This child was taken off the street out the front of his home as he was playing.
This is how extremists treat children.
Incidently, extremists have solved this little problem by hooking up mentally handicapped children with remote detonating explosives.
Children were also used by Hamas during Cast Lead as forward spotters on the front lines to report back on the movement and location of IDF personnel and tanks.
And left wing NGO's were too busy railing against Israel for using white phosphorous in their smoke shells to report this dreadful crime.
Keep up the good work Yadda.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 5:27pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 6th, 2012 at 2:07pm: Exactly. Palestinians are b*stards. I know a lot who have served in the IDF and they can tell you some stories about what they have to face. Haha exactly how would you respond if someone stole your country and land from you and killed your family/blew up everything in site?

Good question, except for the fact there never was a country called Palestine.
Israel took that regions land off the Egyptians and the Jordanians, who failed once again in that surprise attack of 1967 to wipe Israel off the map.
Israel took the Egyptian and the Jordanians land as the spoils of war, and to secure their borders.
And after four wars in total started by and lost by the Arab League resulting in the deaths of thousands and which Egypt and Jordan are members, means this land never belonged to 'Palestinians'.
It also demonstrated the necessity for the Israeli's to secure their borders.
People living in Judea, Samaria and Sahara aren't clamouring for their own 'country' either by the way.
And those three regions are just as old and as historical as the Palestine one.
This issue isn't about land, it's about killing Jews.
And it's no use pretending otherwise.
The 'Palestinians' weren't carrying on when they lived under the banners of Egypt, Jordan, Great Britain, Turkey, Roman, Greek, Phoenician etc.
But they squeal like all hell about the Jews.
And Hamas & Co refuse to recognise Israel.
There is no bargaining with such people.

Soren wrote on Mar 6^th, 2012 at 8:18pm:

Everybody ululate!!"

Ahhmmm Ladies present.

:)

@ PoliticalPuppet -

http://www.nkusa.org/AboutUs/Zionism/judaism_isnot_zionism.cfm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 8:25am:

There is NO DOUBLE STANDARD!! Any civilian death is regrettable and unfortunate. However if you can't see this difference then you are retarded - 1) Palestinian suicide bombers TARGET civilians. They get onto buses in Jerusalem and blow it up. They blow up cafes and market places. There are many innocent Israeli civilian deaths because that is their aim! 2) Palestinian civilian casualties occur as a result of operations aimed at targetting terrorists. The aim of the Israeli Army is to remove the threat posed and to MINIMIZE civilian casualties. 3) Palestinian terrorists will often deliberately operate from densely populated civilian areas with the aim of hiding behind innocents. 4) Israeli operations (and I know this from several friends who have served in the Israeli Army) cannot respond or engage in fire unless specifically authorization comes from Tel Aviv. They then must adhere to Israeli rules of engagement. 5) MOSSAD removes the threat from terrorists. It will only carry out an operation to eliminate a suspect after it has been removed and approved at the highest level in Jerusalem. No civilians are ever targetted. That is the reality.

How many Israeli children has the Hamas government killed since it took control of Gaza? None.


UNICEF: 300 Children Killed in Gaza

The head of the United Nations children's agency says 300 children have been killed during Israel's campaign in the Gaza Strip.

UNICEF director, Ann Venemen, says more than 1,500 other children have been wounded, casualties she calls "tragic" and "unacceptable."

Separately, Palestinian medics say more than 1,000 people have been killed during the 19-day offensive...

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/a-13-2009-01-14-voa28-68626237.html


Israeli soldiers used child as human shield

ANNE BARKER: At the height of the war in January last year two Israeli soldiers helped take control of an apartment block in the Gaza City suburb of Tel al-Hawa. As they did so - according to the court testimony - they came under gun and rocket fire from Palestinian militants.

As they rounded up the residents inside, the soldiers stumbled on bags in a bathroom and ordered a nine-year-old Palestinian boy to check them to see if they'd been rigged with explosives. The boy opened a bag belonging to his own family - but when he failed to open another one the soldiers pulled him away and shot at the bag - endangering everyone in the room, according to the court verdict.

The boy involved gave evidence to his own lawyers that he thought one of the soldiers would kill him, and had wet his pants in fear.

"I opened the bag as he pointed his weapon directly at me," the child said. "I emptied the bag on the floor. It contained money and papers. I looked at him and he was laughing."

It's the first conviction of its kind for a practice that is now strictly banned by Israel - and known as "neighbouring" - where Palestinian civilians are used for example, to doorknock the homes of suspected militants to protect Israeli forces from coming under attack.

The court verdict makes no mention of any munitions being found in the bags but the soldiers' lawyer Ilan Katz says they've both been used as scapegoats.

(Ilan Katz speaking)

"These two soldiers are the ones that pay the price for the mistakes of senior people," he said. "The system thinks that if they are convicted the world will get off Israel's case. Whoever thinks this is severely mistaken."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/21/israeli-soldiers-human-shield-avoid-jail



Israel's Human Shields and Live Bait

"Sharmoota!" hisses the Jewish settler as she presses up against the bars of a Hebron home where she has forced a Palestinian woman to take cover. "Whore" in Arabic, the shameful word hangs in the air like verbal dynamite - and shocks again and again as rapid-fire "Sharmootas" are spat out at their victim. An Israeli soldier stands by and watches this provocation. He does nothing. Video 1, Video 2

Young teenage settlers hang around outside a Palestinian schoolhouse, waiting for the stream of Arab mothers and their children to make their way home. The settler youths - all girls - shriek abuses at the frightened Palestinian kids, kick the elders and pull headscarves off the heads of pious women - "terror games" to pass time on a Jewish holiday, all under the watch of armed Israeli soldiers who do not intervene. Video

There are 500,000 illegal Jewish settlers in occupied Palestinian territories today - a number that has increased five-fold since the US-sponsored "peace process" began 19 years ago.

    Article 49 of the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, August 12, 1949, 6 UST 3516, provides, in paragraph 6: "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies."

Peace advocates contend that this Israeli push to "settle" Jews in the occupied territories reflects the determination of an increasingly right-wing government to prevent the establishment of a Palestinian state in the West Bank and East Jerusalem. Logic dictates that the physical presence of half a million Jews in illegal settlements and outposts - connected through a maze of Jewish-only roads - has stealthily destroyed the possibility of a land-for-peace compromise. And Israel's government has spent $17 billion on settlements since occupation began.

But here's something we don't talk about readily. Why would consecutive Israeli governments heavily subsidize and incentivize the relocation of young families - women and children - into hostile environments? Why would Israel - which claims security dangers wherever there are Palestinian populations - deliberately and systematically place its Jewish civilian population in "harm's way?"

The settlers are Israel's human shields and live bait.

"Naatzi! Naaaatzi!" This word, amazingly enough, is a settler favorite. "Nazis!" they screech at foreign TV crews, while waving their infants around. "Nazi, Nazi, Nazi," they chant as they provocatively try to stop Palestinians from harvesting their olive crops. And the IDF soldiers wait and watch - occasionally intervening to push a frustrated and humiliated Palestinian objector away from a taunting, threatening Jewish settler.

Eventually, a half-crazed Palestinian will fight back, even kill some settlers. Israeli authorities immediately step in and claim the "Security Risk" has increased and more Palestinian land has to be confiscated to ensure Israel's security. More Palestinians are detained, harassed, punished. More Palestinian homes are occupied or demolished. See how that works? Unleash your craziest Jews onto a Palestinian civilian population until someone blows a fuse and hits back. Then use that as the pretext to encroach further into the lives and onto the land of Palestinians.

Jewish settlers. Half a million of them in 121 illegal settlements and 102 illegal outposts. Human shields and live bait for Israel. The Jewish state's frontline army for depopulating Palestinian land.

International law recognizes the right of a person living under occupation to resist or retaliate against occupying forces - nobody would question a Palestinian lashing out at an Israeli soldier. But kill a Jewish settler, and the lines get blurred fast. Under the Fourth Geneva Convention, the "occupier" (Israel) may not settle its populations (Jewish settlers) in occupied areas (West Bank, Gaza, East Jerusalem), but these laws also do not permit the harming of civilians except in the case of self-defence during an act of violence. In other words, although Israel flagrantly violates the former law by incentivizing Israeli citizens to move into occupied Palestinian territory, these same international conventions do not allow Palestinians to willy-nilly defend their lives and property from Jewish settlers - except during actual hostilities, when they are usually at a considerable disadvantage.

But are settlers really "civilians" as intended by the protective language of the Fourth Geneva Convention? This is debatable on at least one score, as the language dealing with "protected persons" is often prefaced with "civilian persons who take no part in hostilities..."

"The Hilltop Youth consist of hundreds of young settler boys and girls who have become protectors of the illegal outposts pitched on Palestinian-owned land throughout the West Bank...heeding only the "law of God" and the religious-nationalist action calls from the likes of Judeo-fascist high-priestesses Daniella Weiss and Nadia Mattar, these kids have unleashed the newest waves of settler vigilantism: "Price-Tagging."

Every time authorities act against the perceived interests of the settlers, the latter will exact a "price tag" by carrying out reprisals against nearby Palestinians and their property.

Fourth Geneva Convention, PART III - STATUS AND TREATMENT OF PROTECTED PERSONS; SECTION I - Provisions Common to the Territories of the Parties to the Conflict and to Occupied Territories: Article 33: "No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed. Collective penalties and likewise all measures of intimidation or of terrorism are prohibited. Pillage is prohibited. Reprisals against protected persons and their property are prohibited."

According to Israeli human rights group B'Tselem, these acts of vengeance include: "blocking roadways, so as to impede Palestinian life and commerce. The settlers also shoot solar panels on roofs of buildings, torch automobiles, shatter windowpanes and windshields, destroy crops, uproot trees...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sharmine-narwani/israels-human-shields-and_b_755439.html

falah wrote on Mar 7^th, 2012 at 11:23pm:

How many Israeli children has the Hamas government killed since it took control of Gaza? None.

Lie.
Hamas is responsible for deaths of 3 civilians in Beersheba and Ashdod from the fires of rockets into Israel.

This comes from after they has been given warnings from Israel that retaliations comes strong if they do so.

Hamas is terrorist. There is no conversation to say on this. Terrorism comes from them and they wishes to destroy Israel.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 12:04am:

falah wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:23pm: How many Israeli children has the Hamas government killed since it took control of Gaza? None. Lie. Hamas is responsible for deaths of 3 civilians in Beersheba and Ashdod from the fires of rockets into Israel. This comes from after they has been given warnings from Israel that retaliations comes strong if they do so. Hamas is terrorist. There is no conversation to say on this. Terrorism comes from them and they wishes to destroy Israel.

The hell it does. Zionists destroyed THEIR land. The Zionist objective was to drive Palestinians off of their land. It is written in the Zionist writings of Jabotinsky and Ben Gurion. Zionism is racist AND antisemetic actually as the Language of Syria, Lebanon and Palestine belongs in the Semitic language group.

No.
Re-read your history please, before creation of Israel there is no Palestine.

Is from Egypt, Jordan, Syria.

The holy land of Israel is existant for centuries and is the holy land of the Jews.
Ben Gurion has the writings that land must be won and created to make Israel by the means necessary -which is hopefully by peace but arabs dont want this from us- shown by the attacks that come so many times.

i can live aside by the arabs if they wish this, but you can see they do not. So if it is the force that make them see this- then that is which the Israel Army can also bring,,,,

so before i come for study here in australia,,, i have spend the 2.5 years in the army and have seen terrorism.

so you tell me grey, when i was the ID checkpoint at Beit 'Anan -and there has been rocks and stones thrown to us -who is the terrorist?
Was the Jews throwing these things to me or the palestinians??

The only viable resolution of the Israel-Palestine question is the twin-state solution...

Hopelessly utopian?

The Holocaust (having carved an indelible mark on Jewish cultural memory), the spectre of resurgent European anti-Semitism, 6 decades of hot and cold war, resentment and mistrust... the rise of Islamic fundamentalism, the rise of Ultra-Orthodox Jewish fundamentalism...

Cultural memory is forever and any answer to the Israel-Palestine question, less than centuries in the making, is only for the hopelessly hopeful. 

No state can seriously threaten Israel... It's destruction is impossible... and diplomacy, threats of deprivation or war will neither distract nor deter the fundamentalist zealot... An immovable object meets an irresistible force.

No one living today will ever see the twin-state solution.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 12:04am:

falah wrote on Mar 7th, 2012 at 11:23pm: How many Israeli children has the Hamas government killed since it took control of Gaza? None. Lie. Hamas is responsible for deaths of 3 civilians in Beersheba and Ashdod from the fires of rockets into Israel. This comes from after they has been given warnings from Israel that retaliations comes strong if they do so. Hamas is terrorist. There is no conversation to say on this. Terrorism comes from them and they wishes to destroy Israel.

Do not concern yourself with falah.
He is off the planet as usual.
It is easier for him to waffle than do the research.

Former judge Jim Spigelman to be appointed ABC chairman

March 8, 2012

The former chief justice of the Supreme Court of NSW, Jim Spigelman, is to be appointed chairman of the ABC.

An announcement is expected to be made by the Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, and the Communications Minister, Stephen Conroy, today or tomorrow, sources say.

Cabinet approval was given on Monday for Mr Spigelman to take up the part-time $151,000-a-year post.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/former-judge-jim-spigelman-to-be-appointed-abc-chairman-20120307-1ukns.html

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 12:30am:

so before i come for study here in australia,,, i have spend the 2.5 years in the army and have seen terrorism. so you tell me grey, when i was the ID checkpoint at Beit 'Anan -and there has been rocks and stones thrown to us -who is the terrorist? Was the Jews throwing these things to me or the palestinians??

You mean to tell me Palestinians don't LIKE idf checkpoints? I wonder why?

The return of at least some of the Jewish diaspora to the ME should have been a win/win for all semites. But force was always the Zionist way, which is tragic.

My belief Avram, is that the vast majority of people anywhere, just want to live their lives in peace and security. Raise their kids in decency and have some fun making them.

It is your leaders and gods,  both Palestinian and Jew,  who you ought to fight. People like Moshe and Munir you ought to listen to.

http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/News/1221258968/ID=1305442364

Grey wrote on Mar 5^th, 2012 at 1:51am:

Attention span required  :) http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n06/john-mearsheimer/the-israel-lobby

I have read this article and came away with thinking, "the Jews are smart, think ahead and are well-resourced."


I also though, what would an Arab lobby actually lobby for? If you think that through, you realise that an Arab lobby would be completely unpalatable, because it woul be agitating for the annihilation of a UN member state, and that is still beyond the pale.

SO the effectiveness of the Israel lobby is due, to a very great extent, to the stark, simple and unavoidable truth that the Muslim Arab side's goals are unacceptable. No-one would want to be seen being lobbied by interests that want to destroy a sovereign country. The Muslims are buggered again, as always, because they want the nothing short of the unacceptable.

There are very few international disputes where one side of the lobbying contest (in this case the Arabs) give the field over completely to their opponents (here, the Jews). This is the case here because only one side (the Jews) has an acceptable goal (the defence of a UN member state).

No wonder the Jewish lobby is effective.

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 9:07pm:

I also though, what would an Arab lobby actually lobby for? If you think that through, you realise that an Arab lobby would be completely unpalatable, because it woul be agitating for the annihilation of a UN member state, and that is still beyond the pale.

Israel rejects Arab peace initiative

Israel has rejected an initiative drawn up by Arab leaders to revive a blueprint for peace in the Middle East.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1547036/Israel-rejects-Arab-peace-initiative.html




Hamas would accept Saudi peace plan, spokesman says
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/04/28/MN222422.DTL

falah wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 9:40pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 9:07pm: I also though, what would an Arab lobby actually lobby for? If you think that through, you realise that an Arab lobby would be completely unpalatable, because it woul be agitating for the annihilation of a UN member state, and that is still beyond the pale. Israel rejects Arab peace initiative Israel has rejected an initiative drawn up by Arab leaders to revive a blueprint for peace in the Middle East. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1547036/Israel-rejects-Arab-peace-initiative.html

What was that peace plan again?
"The proposal offers Israel peace and normal ties if it withdraws from all land seized in the 1967 war, allows the creation of a Palestinian state and the return of Palestinian refugees.
...


According to the United Nations, there are now more than four million Palestinian refugees, living mostly in the Palestinian territories, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Libya.

(Falah's article)


Israel' population is about 8 million, of which 25% is not jewish. With a right of return (effectively political voice even if they do not physically return), Israel's political system would be given over to the Palestinians and whoever manipulates them.

This was a peace offer no Israeli government could ever accept.

That is why the ARabs made it - to be able to parade the headline, as Falah has one just now, but knowing that it is a 'peace' offer that nobody could ever accept - ie no 'peace' offer at all.

Soren wrote on Mar 12^th, 2012 at 10:27pm:

falah wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 9:40pm: Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 9:07pm: I also though, what would an Arab lobby actually lobby for? If you think that through, you realise that an Arab lobby would be completely unpalatable, because it woul be agitating for the annihilation of a UN member state, and that is still beyond the pale. Israel rejects Arab peace initiative Israel has rejected an initiative drawn up by Arab leaders to revive a blueprint for peace in the Middle East. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1547036/Israel-rejects-Arab-peace-initiative.html What was that peace plan again? "The proposal offers Israel peace and normal ties if it withdraws from all land seized in the 1967 war, allows the creation of a Palestinian state and the return of Palestinian refugees. ... According to the United Nations, there are now more than four million Palestinian refugees, living mostly in the Palestinian territories, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Libya. (Falah's article) Israel' population is about 8 million, of which 25% is not jewish. With a right of return (effectively political voice even if they do not physically return), Israel's political system would be given over to the Palestinians and whoever manipulates them. This was a peace offer no Israeli government could ever accept. That is why the ARabs made it - to be able to parade the headline, as Falah has one just now, but knowing that it is a 'peace' offer that nobody could ever accept - ie no 'peace' offer at all.

The Palestinians already have land.
It's called Jordan.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

The Palestinians already have land. It's called Jordan.

Indeed.

And I can't say I am looking forward to the Arab Spring finally arriving in Jordan.

You will see Arabs taking refuge in Israel.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 13^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 10:27pm: falah wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 9:40pm: Soren wrote on Mar 12th, 2012 at 9:07pm: I also though, what would an Arab lobby actually lobby for? If you think that through, you realise that an Arab lobby would be completely unpalatable, because it woul be agitating for the annihilation of a UN member state, and that is still beyond the pale. Israel rejects Arab peace initiative Israel has rejected an initiative drawn up by Arab leaders to revive a blueprint for peace in the Middle East. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1547036/Israel-rejects-Arab-peace-initiative.html What was that peace plan again? "The proposal offers Israel peace and normal ties if it withdraws from all land seized in the 1967 war, allows the creation of a Palestinian state and the return of Palestinian refugees. ... According to the United Nations, there are now more than four million Palestinian refugees, living mostly in the Palestinian territories, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria and Libya. (Falah's article) Israel' population is about 8 million, of which 25% is not jewish. With a right of return (effectively political voice even if they do not physically return), Israel's political system would be given over to the Palestinians and whoever manipulates them. This was a peace offer no Israeli government could ever accept. That is why the ARabs made it - to be able to parade the headline, as Falah has one just now, but knowing that it is a 'peace' offer that nobody could ever accept - ie no 'peace' offer at all. The Palestinians already have land. It's called Jordan.

Jordan has deliberate keep refugees in big camps for the world opinion.
You see also they prefer this to show how bad Israel is but in real time they has never done anything to help Palestinians.

So basically the people who are forcing the Palestinians from their own land by force are complaining off the way they are treated when they flee to another country to avoid death.
Wow..

Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood'

Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss explains why he believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate.

http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110516/tarapour20110516003131890.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY

When Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, visited Washington last week on the eve of the Purim holiday, he gave Barack Obama, the US president, what he considered a symbolic gift - a copy of the old testament book of Esther.

Netanyahu called it "background reading on Iran", since its story concerns relations with Jews in the Persian empire some 2,500 years ago.

It is considered by scholars to be mostly fiction, but for Netanyahu Esther represented justification for his stance against modern Iran.

”Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. And after all that’s the very purpose of the Jewish state. To restore to the Jewish people control over our destiny,” Netanyahu said.

But Netanyahu’s controversial reading of history, even his fight to preserve the state of Israel, are questioned by many of Judaism’s own religious authorities.

"This is against the will of the Almighty and this is not what it means to be a Jew," says Jewish religious scholar Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for "Jews against Zionism", who believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. He says that Zionism has created "rivers of blood" and he opposes the occupation of Palestine.

On the threat from Iran and President Ahmadinejad he says: "He gives charity to Jewish communities and he says one thing: he has a problem with the oppression of the Palestinian people. And the words "wipe out" he constantly says that Iran doesn't have a history and he is not talking about harming anybody he says that God will not allow this crime to happen. We concur with him that Jews are in danger because there is Zionism because it says in the Tora if you rebel against God, it will not be successful and there will be catastrophic results and Zionism has brought catastrophic results and it could be much worse."

Today on Talk to Al Jazeera Weiss explains why Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing.

http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html

falah wrote on Mar 14^th, 2012 at 9:05pm:

Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood' Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss explains why he believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110516/tarapour20110516003131890.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY When Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, visited Washington last week on the eve of the Purim holiday, he gave Barack Obama, the US president, what he considered a symbolic gift - a copy of the old testament book of Esther. Netanyahu called it "background reading on Iran", since its story concerns relations with Jews in the Persian empire some 2,500 years ago. It is considered by scholars to be mostly fiction, but for Netanyahu Esther represented justification for his stance against modern Iran. ”Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. And after all that’s the very purpose of the Jewish state. To restore to the Jewish people control over our destiny,” Netanyahu said. But Netanyahu’s controversial reading of history, even his fight to preserve the state of Israel, are questioned by many of Judaism’s own religious authorities. "This is against the will of the Almighty and this is not what it means to be a Jew," says Jewish religious scholar Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for "Jews against Zionism", who believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. He says that Zionism has created "rivers of blood" and he opposes the occupation of Palestine. On the threat from Iran and President Ahmadinejad he says: "He gives charity to Jewish communities and he says one thing: he has a problem with the oppression of the Palestinian people. And the words "wipe out" he constantly says that Iran doesn't have a history and he is not talking about harming anybody he says that God will not allow this crime to happen. We concur with him that Jews are in danger because there is Zionism because it says in the Tora if you rebel against God, it will not be successful and there will be catastrophic results and Zionism has brought catastrophic results and it could be much worse." Today on Talk to Al Jazeera Weiss explains why Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html

Great interview and such a smart man.
Everyone should watch that and learn something.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 8:21am:

falah wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 9:05pm: Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood' Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss explains why he believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110516/tarapour20110516003131890.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY When Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, visited Washington last week on the eve of the Purim holiday, he gave Barack Obama, the US president, what he considered a symbolic gift - a copy of the old testament book of Esther. Netanyahu called it "background reading on Iran", since its story concerns relations with Jews in the Persian empire some 2,500 years ago. It is considered by scholars to be mostly fiction, but for Netanyahu Esther represented justification for his stance against modern Iran. ”Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. And after all that’s the very purpose of the Jewish state. To restore to the Jewish people control over our destiny,” Netanyahu said. But Netanyahu’s controversial reading of history, even his fight to preserve the state of Israel, are questioned by many of Judaism’s own religious authorities. "This is against the will of the Almighty and this is not what it means to be a Jew," says Jewish religious scholar Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for "Jews against Zionism", who believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. He says that Zionism has created "rivers of blood" and he opposes the occupation of Palestine. On the threat from Iran and President Ahmadinejad he says: "He gives charity to Jewish communities and he says one thing: he has a problem with the oppression of the Palestinian people. And the words "wipe out" he constantly says that Iran doesn't have a history and he is not talking about harming anybody he says that God will not allow this crime to happen. We concur with him that Jews are in danger because there is Zionism because it says in the Tora if you rebel against God, it will not be successful and there will be catastrophic results and Zionism has brought catastrophic results and it could be much worse." Today on Talk to Al Jazeera Weiss explains why Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html Great interview and such a smart man. Everyone should watch that and learn something.

Why?
He's a kook.
He's supporting the very people who would see him killed in a heartbeat.
Just another useful idiot for the terrorists.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 10:37am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:21am: falah wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 9:05pm: Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood' Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss explains why he believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110516/tarapour20110516003131890.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY When Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, visited Washington last week on the eve of the Purim holiday, he gave Barack Obama, the US president, what he considered a symbolic gift - a copy of the old testament book of Esther. Netanyahu called it "background reading on Iran", since its story concerns relations with Jews in the Persian empire some 2,500 years ago. It is considered by scholars to be mostly fiction, but for Netanyahu Esther represented justification for his stance against modern Iran. ”Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. And after all that’s the very purpose of the Jewish state. To restore to the Jewish people control over our destiny,” Netanyahu said. But Netanyahu’s controversial reading of history, even his fight to preserve the state of Israel, are questioned by many of Judaism’s own religious authorities. "This is against the will of the Almighty and this is not what it means to be a Jew," says Jewish religious scholar Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for "Jews against Zionism", who believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. He says that Zionism has created "rivers of blood" and he opposes the occupation of Palestine. On the threat from Iran and President Ahmadinejad he says: "He gives charity to Jewish communities and he says one thing: he has a problem with the oppression of the Palestinian people. And the words "wipe out" he constantly says that Iran doesn't have a history and he is not talking about harming anybody he says that God will not allow this crime to happen. We concur with him that Jews are in danger because there is Zionism because it says in the Tora if you rebel against God, it will not be successful and there will be catastrophic results and Zionism has brought catastrophic results and it could be much worse." Today on Talk to Al Jazeera Weiss explains why Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html Great interview and such a smart man. Everyone should watch that and learn something. Why? He's a kook. He's supporting the very people who would see him killed in a heartbeat. Just another useful idiot for the terrorists.

The people you say would kill him have been forced to defend themselves from Israeli terrorism; they would not kill him if he is not a threat.
In fact the people most likely to kill him are in fact the Israelis now.

Why are people defending themselves labelled terrorists and the people starting these conflicts peace keepers?

You would do exactly the same if you were in the Palestinians position.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 10:37am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 8:21am: falah wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 9:05pm: Weiss: Zionism has created 'rivers of blood' Rabbi Yisrael Dovid Weiss explains why he believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. http://previous.presstv.ir/photo/20110516/tarapour20110516003131890.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUppu2OHVTY When Binyamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, visited Washington last week on the eve of the Purim holiday, he gave Barack Obama, the US president, what he considered a symbolic gift - a copy of the old testament book of Esther. Netanyahu called it "background reading on Iran", since its story concerns relations with Jews in the Persian empire some 2,500 years ago. It is considered by scholars to be mostly fiction, but for Netanyahu Esther represented justification for his stance against modern Iran. ”Israel must reserve the right to defend itself. And after all that’s the very purpose of the Jewish state. To restore to the Jewish people control over our destiny,” Netanyahu said. But Netanyahu’s controversial reading of history, even his fight to preserve the state of Israel, are questioned by many of Judaism’s own religious authorities. "This is against the will of the Almighty and this is not what it means to be a Jew," says Jewish religious scholar Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, a spokesman for "Jews against Zionism", who believes that Israel as a state is not legitimate. He says that Zionism has created "rivers of blood" and he opposes the occupation of Palestine. On the threat from Iran and President Ahmadinejad he says: "He gives charity to Jewish communities and he says one thing: he has a problem with the oppression of the Palestinian people. And the words "wipe out" he constantly says that Iran doesn't have a history and he is not talking about harming anybody he says that God will not allow this crime to happen. We concur with him that Jews are in danger because there is Zionism because it says in the Tora if you rebel against God, it will not be successful and there will be catastrophic results and Zionism has brought catastrophic results and it could be much worse." Today on Talk to Al Jazeera Weiss explains why Zionism and Judaism are not necessarily the same thing. http://www.aljazeera.com/programmes/talktojazeera/2012/03/201231083221669780.html Great interview and such a smart man. Everyone should watch that and learn something. Why? He's a kook. He's supporting the very people who would see him killed in a heartbeat. Just another useful idiot for the terrorists. The people you say would kill him have been forced to defend themselves from Israeli terrorism; they would not kill him if he is not a threat. In fact the people most likely to kill him are in fact the Israelis now. Why are people defending themselves labelled terrorists and the people starting these conflicts peace keepers? You would do exactly the same if you were in the Palestinians position.

Hamas has broken every cease fire ever made, not Israel.
Hamas does not recognise Israel's existence and is sworn to it's destruction.
This is well documented.
They even tell there children via Palestinian TV to hate jews.
Don't give me that Israel are the terrorists and the Muslim extremist groups want peace.
Israel left Gaza in 2005 under a ceasefire followed by a hail of missile and mortar fire.
You need to wake up.
This is about killing Jews and nothing more.
Israel responds to the daily missile attacks launched from Gaza fired by Muslim extremist groups, as so they should respond to that.
If Hamas stopped firing, Israel would not have to respond.
The fact these wacky priests walk Israel's streets clearly shows they are under no domestic threat.
As to the 'Palestinians', they never cared about "Palestinians land' when the Jordanians had the West Bank, and Egypt had Gaza.
They only care now.
Why.
Because of the Jews.

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Hamas has broken every cease fire ever made, not Israel. Hamas does not recognise Israel's existence and is sworn to it's destruction. This is well documented. They even tell there children via Palestinian TV to hate jews. Don't give me that Israel are the terrorists and the Muslim extremist groups want peace. Israel left Gaza in 2005 under a ceasefire followed by a hail of missile and mortar fire. You need to wake up. This is about killing Jews and nothing more. Israel responds to the daily missile attacks launched from Gaza fired by Muslim extremist groups, as so they should respond to that. If Hamas stopped firing, Israel would not have to respond. The fact these wacky priests walk Israel's streets clearly shows they are under no domestic threat. As to the 'Palestinians', they never cared about "Palestinians land' when the Jordanians had the West Bank, and Egypt had Gaza. They only care now. Why. Because of the Jews.

Please ceasefires are a joke, if Israel wanted to stop this they would give back the land they stole. Why should Hamas stop fighting the war they were forced into?
Why should they recognise their existence? So it’s ok for Israel to destroy Palestine but bad for the opposite?
What’s the difference?

I can understand why they are told to hate jews, the jews have committed genocide on their people and stole their nation from them and kill innocent civilians. Is this something they should like?
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Right but Israel started the firing so why should Hamas stop?

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God bless Israel.

God bless the Jewish people.

Yadda wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 11:47am:

ISRAEL ARE NOT TERRORISTS God bless Israel. God bless the Jewish people.

If by terrorist you mean the definition of terrorist that is in the dictionary, then yes they are terrorists.
God does not exist.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:47am: ISRAEL ARE NOT TERRORISTS God bless Israel. God bless the Jewish people. If by terrorist you mean the definition of terrorist that is in the dictionary, then yes they are terrorists. God does not exist.

When you meet him, you can tell him.




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Definition of a terrorist, according to PoliticalPuppet......

Terrorist = = Someone who defends himself, and kills those who intend to murder him.




Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

Quote: Hamas has broken every cease fire ever made, not Israel. Hamas does not recognise Israel's existence and is sworn to it's destruction. This is well documented. They even tell there children via Palestinian TV to hate jews. Don't give me that Israel are the terrorists and the Muslim extremist groups want peace. Israel left Gaza in 2005 under a ceasefire followed by a hail of missile and mortar fire. You need to wake up. This is about killing Jews and nothing more. Israel responds to the daily missile attacks launched from Gaza fired by Muslim extremist groups, as so they should respond to that. If Hamas stopped firing, Israel would not have to respond. The fact these wacky priests walk Israel's streets clearly shows they are under no domestic threat. As to the 'Palestinians', they never cared about "Palestinians land' when the Jordanians had the West Bank, and Egypt had Gaza. They only care now. Why. Because of the Jews. Please ceasefires are a joke, if Israel wanted to stop this they would give back the land they stole. Why should Hamas stop fighting the war they were forced into? Why should they recognise their existence? So it’s ok for Israel to destroy Palestine but bad for the opposite? What’s the difference? I can understand why they are told to hate jews, the jews have committed genocide on their people and stole their nation from them and kill innocent civilians. Is this something they should like? Right but Israel started the firing so why should Hamas stop?

What land is that Israel 'stole'?
Do you refer to Gaza and West Bank which was seized from the invading Egyptian and Jordanian armed forces in 1967 who failed in there primary mission to destroy the IDF and Israel, and seize the land for themselves?
Not for the 'Palestinians', but for themselves.
The Israeli's seized Egyptian and Jordanian land ok.
Not 'Palestinian'.
It never has been.
Or do you in fact refer to all of Israel, which the UN formed in 1948, which was also attacked by the Arab League the following day without provocation?
Which one is it, you have a choice.
Israel is a nation state and has been since 1948 and has a seat in the United Nations.
This fact needs to be recognised by the Muslim extremists if they ever expect peace, or to ever form there own state.
Whilst the missiles are landing in Israel, that nation will not negotiate.
And they will respond in the time honoured fashion.
As for genocide, the Palestinian populations are growing.
Even the published Hamas census carried out in Gaza in 2008 show the population growing.
This does not indicate 'genocide' ok.
Where are all the pictures of the supposed massacred civilians eh?
Because this is what is needed when claiming genocide has occurred.
This 'genocide' carried out by the IDF is a left wing myth only, with no substance to back it up.
Hamas firing anti tank missiles last year at canary yellow school buses outside Gaza killing children is genocide.
Hamas firing rockets daily into the streets of Sderot is an attempt at genocide.
70% of the children in Sderot have been diagnosed with PTSD, and that includes Arab children as well.
These children have stolen nothing.
3000 years ago, King David of Israel established Jerusalem.
Yes, 3000 years ago.
In the first century AD, Jewish armies fought the Romans three times to gain back there freedom.
Jewish armies, not 'Palestinian'.
Palestine has always been a region, just like Judea, Samaria or the Sahara still is today.
Regions, not countries, and that makes all the difference in the world.

Yadda wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:52am: Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:47am: ISRAEL ARE NOT TERRORISTS God bless Israel. God bless the Jewish people. If by terrorist you mean the definition of terrorist that is in the dictionary, then yes they are terrorists. God does not exist. When you meet him, you can tell him. +++ Definition of a terrorist, according to PoliticalPuppet...... Terrorist = = Someone who defends himself, and kills those who intend to murder him. Psalms 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. 4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert.

Convenient reply to the fact that there is no god.

How exactly could Israel be defending itself when it started all this by invading a country and starting a war?

The bible is a fictitious book.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 12:18pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:52am: Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 11:47am: ISRAEL ARE NOT TERRORISTS God bless Israel. God bless the Jewish people. If by terrorist you mean the definition of terrorist that is in the dictionary, then yes they are terrorists. God does not exist. When you meet him, you can tell him. +++ Definition of a terrorist, according to PoliticalPuppet...... Terrorist = = Someone who defends himself, and kills those who intend to murder him. Psalms 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts. 4  Give them according to their deeds, and according to the wickedness of their endeavours: give them after the work of their hands; render to them their desert. Convenient reply to the fact that there is no god. How exactly could Israel be defending itself when it started all this by invading a country and starting a war? The bible is a fictitious book.

The Israel's got the land in 1948 from the British via the UN.
And was then invaded the following day by the Arab League.
This is how it happened.

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The Israel's got the land in 1948 from the British via the UN. And was then invaded the following day by the Arab League. This is how it happened.

England was occupying the land which didn’t make it there’s so they couldn’t have given it to them, they said they could take it.
Which they did by brutal force.

How and why do you not expect the people from who the land was stolen from not to care and/or defend themselves against the oppression and slaughter that continues to this day?

And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust.

Disgusting.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:46pm:

And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting.

bugger Israel
bugger its psychopathic supporters.
and bugger fairy tales.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales.

PoliticalPuppet,

Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication.

Yadda wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication.

Uncontrolled, unfocused anger and anti-semitism.

A lovely cocktail....

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Quote: The Israel's got the land in 1948 from the British via the UN. And was then invaded the following day by the Arab League. This is how it happened. England was occupying the land which didn’t make it there’s so they couldn’t have given it to them, they said they could take it. Which they did by brutal force. How and why do you not expect the people from who the land was stolen from not to care and/or defend themselves against the oppression and slaughter that continues to this day?

So was the land the Turks then, because they held it for over 600 years until they lost it to the British???

Either way, the UN established the State of Israel, and the British handed it over.

We always has this problem with so many peoples who does not understand Israel and how also because we has always fight strong with fire then they has hate for us.

To us is no problem,, we care not much and we does what is best for Israel and Israeli always,,

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

We always has this problem with so many peoples who does not understand Israel and how also because we has always fight strong with fire then they has hate for us. To us is no problem,, we care not much and we does what is best for Israel and Israeli always,,

Avram I do apologise for the horrendous anti-semitic insults on here and know that the vast majority of all decent people support Israel in their battle for a homeland for the Jews.

Yadda wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:52pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication.

Right because its wrong not to support the slaughter of innocent people

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:52pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication. Uncontrolled, unfocused anger and anti-semitism. A lovely cocktail....

How is it anti semitism to not support Israeli terrorism?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:01pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:59pm: We always has this problem with so many peoples who does not understand Israel and how also because we has always fight strong with fire then they has hate for us. To us is no problem,, we care not much and we does what is best for Israel and Israeli always,, Avram I do apologise for the horrendous anti-semitic insults on here and know that the vast majority of all decent people support Israel in their battle for a homeland for the Jews.

How is it anti semitism to not support Israeli terrorism?
Are you implying that all Jews support Israeli terrorism?
If not then it is not anti semitism

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:54pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:52pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication. Uncontrolled, unfocused anger and anti-semitism. A lovely cocktail.... How is it anti semitism to not support Israeli terrorism?

Believing Israelis deserved the last holocaust (in which 6 millions Jews were killed btw) and then calling a guy on here 'jew boy' based solely on his religion.

Is quite frankly anti-semitic in anyone's book other than yours and probably Ahmadinejad's.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:15pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:54pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:52pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication. Uncontrolled, unfocused anger and anti-semitism. A lovely cocktail.... How is it anti semitism to not support Israeli terrorism? Believing Israelis deserved the last holocaust (in which 6 millions Jews were killed btw) and then calling a guy on here 'jew boy' based solely on his religion. Is quite frankly anti-semitic in anyone's book other than yours and probably Ahmadinejad's.

Right sorry, but it is acceptable to support the slaughter of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli terrorist state.
Sometimes I get confused about when a life is worth anything.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 3:15pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 3:03pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:54pm: Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:52pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication. Uncontrolled, unfocused anger and anti-semitism. A lovely cocktail.... How is it anti semitism to not support Israeli terrorism? Believing Israelis deserved the last holocaust (in which 6 millions Jews were killed btw) and then calling a guy on here 'jew boy' based solely on his religion. Is quite frankly anti-semitic in anyone's book other than yours and probably Ahmadinejad's. Right sorry, but it is acceptable to support the slaughter of innocent Palestinians by the Israeli terrorist state. Sometimes I get confused about when a life is worth anything.

Nobody on here has said innocent deaths are welcome.

You must have missed the hundreds of rockets being fired across the Israeli border into Southern Israel in the last few days.

That's fine though huh?

A targetted removal of a terrorist by the IDF v indiscriminately firing rockets at town by Hamas.

Yeah they are similar huh?

Notice the way you carry on compared to the decency of the Israeli chap on here?

Much the same really.
Uncontrolled anger v decency and non-response.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:52pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication. Right because its wrong not to support the slaughter of innocent people

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"Our children are our glory and honor, they were created to be fertilizer for the land of Palestine, and for our pure land to be saturated with their blood."

"Moderate" Palestinian Authority TV: Palestinian children created to fertilize the land with their blood
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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."
ISLAMIC scholar, Sayyid Qutb, .......PROMOTING, JUSTIFYING, ISLAM's VIOLENT JIHAD

"Allah Akbar!!!!"







Yes PP, those poor, innocent, 'Palestinians'.
/sarc off

Go to hell.

So how would you guys act if you were a Palestinian?
Seriously..
If it were your country that got stolen, living under endless oppression and hate.
Would you want to fight back?
Would you be angry or upset, if not for yourself but for your people, culture, family, friends and pride.

I expect some stupid response,
But the fact is every single person on this planet regardless of race, religion or culture would react exactly the same when in their position.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

So how would you guys act if you were a Palestinian? Seriously.. If it were your country that got stolen, living under endless oppression and hate. Would you want to fight back? Would you be angry or upset, if not for yourself but for your people, culture, family, friends and pride. I expect some stupid response, But the fact is every single person on this planet regardless of race, religion or culture would react exactly the same when in their position.

This will be the rockets that Hamas are firing into Israel from Gaza - which the Israelis gave back to them and withdrew their forces (despite there being clear signs they should stay to keep security control).

So they are firing from land they control - and yet we are supposed to fear sorry for them?

Nope sorry, the Palestinians bring a lot of this crap on themselves and the Israeli response is always that - a response - not the ones who start it.

Israel gets Australia's full support as a nation - and it deserves as much.
I am glad it is a cross-party position that is taken too.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

So how would you guys act if you were a Palestinian? Seriously..

I'd skedaddle outa there, and go live in Jordan [or one of Allah's other Paradises on earth], seriously.




bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

If it were your country that got stolen, living under endless oppression and hate. Would you want to fight back? Would you be angry or upset, if not for yourself but for your people, culture, family, friends and pride. I expect some stupid response, But the fact is every single person on this planet regardless of race, religion or culture would react exactly the same when in their position.

Israel is not 'their' country.

Jordan is.

They know it.

I know it.

But they refuse to accept it.




Psalms 83:2
For, lo, thine enemies make a tumult: and they that hate thee have lifted up the head.
3  They have taken crafty counsel against thy people, and consulted against thy hidden ones.
4  They have said, Come, and let us cut them off from being a nation; that the name of Israel may be no more in remembrance.
5  For they have consulted together with one consent: they are confederate against thee:



Ezekiel 35:5
Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:
6  Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will prepare thee unto blood, and blood shall pursue thee: sith thou hast not hated blood, even blood shall pursue thee.
7  Thus will I make mount Seir most desolate, and cut off from it him that passeth out and him that returneth.
8  And I will fill his mountains with his slain men: in thy hills, and in thy valleys, and in all thy rivers, shall they fall that are slain with the sword.
9  I will make thee perpetual desolations, and thy cities shall not return: and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
10  Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:

But Yadda the Jews are from the area that is now Georgia, so what right do they have to the land?
And I hardly see what a fictional book has to do with anything.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PivmnS5jzM4

Quote:

This will be the rockets that Hamas are firing into Israel from Gaza - which the Israelis gave back to them and withdrew their forces (despite there being clear signs they should stay to keep security control). So they are firing from land they control - and yet we are supposed to fear sorry for them? Nope sorry, the Palestinians bring a lot of this crap on themselves and the Israeli response is always that - a response - not the ones who start it. Israel gets Australia's full support as a nation - and it deserves as much. I am glad it is a cross-party position that is taken too.

Right but this is in defence of over 50 years of Israeli military oppression. Are you saying that a group of people attacked for no reason do not have the right to defend themselves and their land/property?
They are firing from what is basically a concentration camp and yes any normal educated person would feel extremely sorry for them and be on their side.
How exactly did the Palestinians bring the Jewish invasion on them?
What was the invasion of Palestine a response too?

Israel will get what it deserves as its supporters are dwindling and people are begging to wake up to their terrorism and human rights atrocities.

Israeli Children Taught To Continue Their Parent's Oppression & Hatred of Palestinians:

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/daily/kach_child.gif

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y44/messiercat/childrenwriting.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-1Ip31ZCPjas/TVqYO_U6inI/AAAAAAAABqg/RBukf_Aqrj0/s1600/israeli-children-attacking-arab-woman.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qTnEIgBqgqE/RskUG0YQYDI/AAAAAAAAAFA/D_VeLHJfHLE/s400/israeli_child_gun.jpg

http://buelahman.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/settler-kids-guns.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qTnEIgBqgqE/RskUh0YQYII/AAAAAAAAAFo/v5Xbuu5bIlo/s400/israeli_gun_child_6.jpg

http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/news/images/israeli_gun_child_1.jpg

http://muslimmatters.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/hebron_settler_children.jpg

http://desertpeace.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/s-2.jpg


Afterwards Their parents Can Train Them To milk The Holocaust For All Its Worth

http://s3.jrnl.ie/media/2012/01/Mideast-Israel_Daly-390x285.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/3755074-16x9-700x394.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQ4hAVF1IqM

This land is promised by God to children of Israel.

Is our country, is homeland of the Jewish peoples. We is never leaving it,, not ever,,

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

This land is promised by God to children of Israel. Is our country, is homeland of the Jewish peoples. We is never leaving it,, not ever,,

You do realise that god does not exist dont you,
its not your homeland.. Jews are from Georgia

It is our home,, is our homeland. I am Tel Aviv born and when I finish study here I come back to Tel Aviv our homeland of Jewish peoples.

You know I has hopes for the peace settlement,,

Palestians can know that they can live in peace as neighbors with Israel and we keep to peace.

But they also must know if they want to attack and threatens us,, then we Israelis reply to them at 100 times power that they bring to us.
Heli gunships, tanks, Israel Air Force, missiles we has all it to bring them.

Hamas knows we will make the Gaza sky full of fire and bring them off this earth if we wishes,,,

It is choice of they,

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:00pm:

It is our home,, is our homeland. I am Tel Aviv born and when I finish study here I come back to Tel Aviv our homeland of Jewish peoples. You know I has hopes for the peace settlement,, Palestians can know that they can live in peace as neighbors with Israel and we keep to peace. But they also must know if they want to attack and threatens us,, then we Israelis reply to them at 100 times power that they bring to us. Heli gunships, tanks, Israel Air Force, missiles we has all it to bring them. Hamas knows we will make the Gaza sky full of fire and bring them off this earth if we wishes,,, It is choice of they,

Tell me, if I steal your home does it make it mine?

This is not correct, we stealed no land.
Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians,

We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,,

You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,,

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,,

When you take something from someone it is called stealing.
God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality.

Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

This land is promised by God to children of Israel. Is our country, is homeland of the Jewish peoples. We is never leaving it,, not ever,,

Avram,
Are you for real or an imposter?

You is in Australia born yes,, so then I do not says to you that is not aussie person.

So I be in Tel Aviv born and then you say to me is not my homeland,,

So is australia not homeland for you,, see if crazy thing to say.

You know I want peace with Palestinians but understand if they continue to attacks us with rockets then we Israeli must turn all Gaza towns into fire,,

We can wipe them all from the land if they threatens us,, they must know that you can not attack Israel and be not face fire in the return.

For it is Eretz O'Israel,,

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 5:21pm: This land is promised by God to children of Israel. Is our country, is homeland of the Jewish peoples. We is never leaving it,, not ever,, Avram, Are you for real or an imposter?

Hi bobby,, I am student in australia this year. I am from Tel Aviv,, my engish is not aussie style I know- but if I speak Hebrew nobody understand me here,,

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:15pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:12pm: This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,, When you take something from someone it is called stealing. God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality. Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate.

The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it.

That is why it wasn't 'stolen'

Bobby. wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 5:21pm: This land is promised by God to children of Israel. Is our country, is homeland of the Jewish peoples. We is never leaving it,, not ever,, Avram, Are you for real or an imposter?

Clearly an imposter, he says things that I have heard on here many times from a certain member such as and I am paraphrasing "when they attack israel, israel will attack back with 100x the force'.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 6:31pm:

You is in Australia born yes,, so then I do not says to you that is not aussie person. So I be in Tel Aviv born and then you say to me is not my homeland,, So is australia not homeland for you,, see if crazy thing to say. You know I want peace with Palestinians but understand if they continue to attacks us with rockets then we Israeli must turn all Gaza towns into fire,, We can wipe them all from the land if they threatens us,, they must know that you can not attack Israel and be not face fire in the return. For it is Eretz O'Israel,,

I agree that we stole the land also and I am greatly sad for what my people did.
However given how new a state Israel is there may still be time to reverse such actions which would be almost impossible for Australian immigrants now.

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:15pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:12pm: This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,, When you take something from someone it is called stealing. God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality. Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate. The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it. That is why it wasn't 'stolen'

And the brits stole it so it wasn’t theirs to give.
The UN is an illegitimate and corrupt organization so I don’t see what bearing it has here.

Regardless of who owns the land it doesn’t give people the right to come in and commit genocide on the people living there does it.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 9:14pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:15pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:12pm: This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,, When you take something from someone it is called stealing. God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality. Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate. The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it. That is why it wasn't 'stolen' And the brits stole it so it wasn’t theirs to give. The UN is an illegitimate and corrupt organization so I don’t see what bearing it has here. Regardless of who owns the land it doesn’t give people the right to come in and commit genocide on the people living there does it.

Ah, good to have a devotee of Rousseau with us - all ownership is theft.


The Brits stole it from the Turks who stole it from the Romans/Byzantines who stole it from the Jews who stole it from the Canaanites, who stole it from the Egyptians who stole it from the Babylonians who stole it from the birds who stole it from the lizards who stole it from the fish and so on and so forth.

Lots of other stealing and repossessions in amongst all that over the millennia but the main thing is - all land is stolen.
Phew! That's settled then. We are ALL victims somehow. Hallelujah!!!

Soren wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:14pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:15pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:12pm: This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,, When you take something from someone it is called stealing. God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality. Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate. The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it. That is why it wasn't 'stolen'

Jewish Terrorism that forced Britain to abandon Palestine:

http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Bunche.Report.on.Zionist.Terrorism.in.the.Near.East.htm

falah wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 10:13pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 9:14pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:15pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:12pm: This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,, When you take something from someone it is called stealing. God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality. Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate. The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it. That is why it wasn't 'stolen' Jewish Terrorism that forced Britain to abandon Palestine: http://iamthewitness.com/doc/Bunche.Report.on.Zionist.Terrorism.in.the.Near.East.htm

So once again the Arabs can't do better than copy the jews.  You lot should convert to Judaism. Islam is a poor, joke imitation of it.  You suffer from a collective penis Jew envy.

You couldn't do a single thing (except jihad) without first asking, 'WWJD' (What would jews do?). The jews are the measure of all thing for you. You hate them so much out of envy.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:44pm:

Quote: The Israel's got the land in 1948 from the British via the UN. And was then invaded the following day by the Arab League. This is how it happened. England was occupying the land which didn’t make it there’s so they couldn’t have given it to them, they said they could take it. Which they did by brutal force. How and why do you not expect the people from who the land was stolen from not to care and/or defend themselves against the oppression and slaughter that continues to this day?

And the Turks were 'occupying' the land for hundreds of years before that, and the Romans before that, and the Egyptians before that, and the Greeks before that, and the Hittites before that, the Phoenicians, Persians and Alexander the Great as well.
Your point actually being???
The League of Nations recognised Britain to administer the British Mandate of Palestine in accordance with the plan set forward by Lord Balfour.
Britain never ever intended staying, only to kick the Ottomans out and in fact had an integral part of the Balfour Declaration of 1917 which divided the Mandate into two parts which included a Jewish homeland.
This Declaration was also a part of the peace plan with Turkey which they agreed to.
One part of the Declaration being the establishment ofTrans Jordan, the other which is now Israel.
Note that the Israel at detailed in the Balfour Declaration included the Gaza Strip and the West Bank.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:52pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:47pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 2:46pm: And that clearly justifies calling a poster on here Jew Boy because of his religion and stating Israeli's deserve the holocaust. Disgusting. bugger Israel bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales. PoliticalPuppet, Before you blow a fuse,   ......just take a deep breath, count slowly to 10, and take your medication. Right because its wrong not to support the slaughter of innocent people

Do you refer to the Black September Massacres of 1970 where the Jordanians killed more Palestinians in a week, than Israel killed in 60+ years.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

So how would you guys act if you were a Palestinian? Seriously.. If it were your country that got stolen, living under endless oppression and hate. Would you want to fight back? Would you be angry or upset, if not for yourself but for your people, culture, family, friends and pride. I expect some stupid response, But the fact is every single person on this planet regardless of race, religion or culture would react exactly the same when in their position.

Not a stupid response, just a historical fact which you continually fail to grasp.
It really doesn't matter how many times you actually repetitively parrot the same line, the historical fact remains as always that there has never been a country called Palestine.
Never.
It has never formed, nor has it been recognised.
They had there chance after WW2, and the Arab League destroyed it.
And your dreaming if you think the Arab League came with tanks and troops in 1948 to set up a 'Palestine', when Trans Jordan was the land already allocated for this purpose.
The Arabs took Trans Jordan for themselves which is why Jordan's population today is 60% Palestinian.
And this is where their 'home' is.
Unfortunately for the Palestinians, there having a bit of bother getting across the Jordanian frontier as the Jordanians no longer recognise dual Palestinian/Jordanian passports.
And the Israeli's today have had a gutful of giving concessions, when all they get in return is an exploding Grad rocket.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

But Yadda the Jews are from the area that is now Georgia, so what right do they have to the land? And I hardly see what a fictional book has to do with anything.

Of course you don't see.
I got that.
You are correct in that a fictional book has nothing to do with it.
Billions of people however believe otherwise of the Bible, and good luck to them.
As for Georgia, David was King of Israel 3000 years ago.
Jewish armies fought Rome in three battles in the First century AD.
But there were no Jews in Georgia 3000 years ago.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:39pm:

Soren wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 9:14pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:15pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:12pm: This is not correct, we stealed no land. Is God given land to Jewish peoples,, as you can see we has given the Gaza and Judea to Palestinians, We do not need to have do this but we is peaceful peoples and is now to the Arabs what they wants,, You know if we decides we can wipe all from the land with Israeli military,, When you take something from someone it is called stealing. God could not have given you the land because he does not exist, you are referring to a fictional character in a fictional book which has no place in reality. Israel will get whats coming to it eventually mate. The Brits and the UN gave Israel to the Jews. It was in their power to do it. It was not for the Palestinians or the Muslim Arbs to give it or not to give it. That is why it wasn't 'stolen' And the brits stole it so it wasn’t theirs to give. The UN is an illegitimate and corrupt organization so I don’t see what bearing it has here.Regardless of who owns the land it doesn’t give people the right to come in and commit genocide on the people living there does it.

So what about the Turks?
Was there occupation of the land for over 600 years illegitimate?
Illegitimate to who?
You?
The UN was formed from the League of Nations.
It is not illegitimate.
You are an anarchist, and nothing more.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 9:37pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 15th, 2012 at 6:31pm: You is in Australia born yes,, so then I do not says to you that is not aussie person. So I be in Tel Aviv born and then you say to me is not my homeland,, So is australia not homeland for you,, see if crazy thing to say. You know I want peace with Palestinians but understand if they continue to attacks us with rockets then we Israeli must turn all Gaza towns into fire,, We can wipe them all from the land if they threatens us,, they must know that you can not attack Israel and be not face fire in the return. For it is Eretz O'Israel,, I agree that we stole the land also and I am greatly sad for what my people did.

Here, have a hanky. :'(
But your not feeling guilty and sad enough though to hand over your home to the first dark coloured park people though eh, and you move out on to the street?
Because it's not too late you know.

So chicken are you saying it is ok for a nation to kill all their tourists because they are not from there?

"Oh children of Israel go forth and take this land, because I am the LORD and I have made it so. This land shall belong to the children of Abraham and of Isaac, hear me now for this day forth"

Exodus

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:35am:

"Oh children of Israel go forth and take this land, because I am the LORD and I have made it so. This land shall belong to the children of Abraham and of Isaac, hear me now for this day forth" Exodus

See Israel is the perfect example of when seemingly normal people follow religious scripture, end up becoming religious fanatics (terrorists) and end up as a completely psychopathic, selfish and dangerous people.

Avram - you must be a stooge planted here.

Not even Jews believe that sh1t

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:24am:

So chicken are you saying it is ok for a nation to kill all their tourists because they are not from there?

Which nation has killed all their tourists?
I've never mentioned tourists.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

Avram - you must be a stooge planted here. Not even Jews believe that sh1t

You might be surprised Bobby.
The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:41am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:24am: So chicken are you saying it is ok for a nation to kill all their tourists because they are not from there? Which nation has killed all their tourists? I've never mentioned tourists.

It’s an analogy.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:38am: Avram - you must be a stooge planted here. Not even Jews believe that sh1t You might be surprised Bobby. The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this.

Yeah right - cause god said.   ;D

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:09am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:38am: Avram - you must be a stooge planted here. Not even Jews believe that sh1t You might be surprised Bobby. The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this. Yeah right - cause god said.   ;D

No, because that's what they believe.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:17am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:09am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:38am: Avram - you must be a stooge planted here. Not even Jews believe that sh1t You might be surprised Bobby. The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this. Yeah right - cause god said.   ;D No, because that's what they believe.

The believe it cause their parents said

My parents fights the Arabs in 1960 decade when we has been attacked unprovockation,,

You remember this yes or no,,

1967 before I am born must they fight in army to keep Israel for Jewish people,,

Yom Kippur attacks,, you also must know this,

So yes my parents tells me my brothers and sister that Israel is belong to us and we too proud to defend for always,
We has travel for studies me to australia and my sister to New York but we comes back why because Tel Aviv is our home,,

Tell me you can not see in the hebrew bibles and the torah that is our land,,

I say on here since I joined up that my wish is for peace,, I keep this comments

You see here I do not write on the forum for aussie politics because is not for me to say is what happen,, I am visitor to australia and no aussie person so who can I be for this comment,,

I meet many good aussie and asian peoples here so far and is nice to have welcome,,

Only one time in sydney now has muslim say some bad thing at me when he has seen that I read the hebrew newspaper but is ok,, you know in army we has many not good comments to us from palestinians so I has experience from this,  :)

You know I say that you can not know the israel experiences you are too far from this to know, is only what you is told correct,,
Maybe come to israel and see us

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:33am:

My parents fights the Arabs in 1960 decade when we has been attacked unprovockation,, You remember this yes or no,, 1967 before I am born must they fight in army to keep Israel for Jewish people,, Yom Kippur attacks,, you also must know this, So yes my parents tells me my brothers and sister that Israel is belong to us and we too proud to defend for always, We has travel for studies me to australia and my sister to New York but we comes back why because Tel Aviv is our home,, Tell me you can not see in the hebrew bibles and the torah that is our land,, I say on here since I joined up that my wish is for peace,, I keep this comments

When you start killing people and stealing land this is a form of provocation.

Avram,

Quote:

Maybe come to israel and see us

Avram - if I go to Israel & a war starts will they
give me a rifle so that I can shoot as many Arabs as possible?

Please see the terror attacks in Samaria with Fogel family,,

Please see attack in Jerusalem on school bus when is young as 3m child is killed by suicide,

This is say to me when I is in sydney- the aussie has not know as the Muslim say to me in Arabic- so must he know I was in army as I can understand and tell him this back in arabic too,, the aussies they has not know because they cannot arabic,

The arabs is murderering our innocent peoples and you say to me no,, what can it be when you ride onto school bus and murder with deliberate,,

Me as soldier in my national service,, never try to fire to under 18,, only from emergency times and order from Tel Aviv for response has this happen,, but you see the arabs is not same yes,

Quote:

Maybe come to israel and see us

I will come after Israel gets a nuke dropped on it by Russia or China

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:39am:

You see here I do not write on the forum for aussie politics because is not for me to say is what happen,, I am visitor to australia and no aussie person so who can I be for this comment,, I meet many good aussie and asian peoples here so far and is nice to have welcome,, Only one time in sydney now has muslim say some bad thing at me when he has seen that I read the hebrew newspaper but is ok,, you know in army we has many not good comments to us from palestinians so I has experience from this,  :) You know I say that you can not know the israel experiences you are too far from this to know, is only what you is told correct,, Maybe come to israel and see us

couldn't you jews have found some other place to live ? Why on earth did you have to set up right next to a whole bunch of sand n.ggers  that hate your guts ?

Hi Bobby is safe to go to Israel please,

Tel Aviv. Eilat, west Jerusalem is all safe and ok for you,

You know as child for me I see no problems in Tel Aviv,, is problems happen where palestinians is the cause trouble close to Gaza and east Israel- Judea ect,,

But no you can not fire to peoples with rifles,, you know we has before say to Jewish settlements peoples not to fire to palestinians as it can bring problems,, we is fair as we can be

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:51am:

Hi Bobby is safe to go to Israel please, Tel Aviv. Eilat, west Jerusalem is all safe and ok for you, You know as child for me I see no problems in Tel Aviv,, is problems happen where palestinians is the cause trouble close to Gaza and east Israel- Judea ect,, But no you can not fire to peoples with rifles,, you know we has before say to Jewish settlements peoples not to fire to palestinians as it can bring problems,, we is fair as we can be

No - I won't go to Israel unless they give me a rifle if a war starts.
Even right now missiles are being fired from Gaza into nearby towns.

Yes this is to south Israeli towns, Ashdod ect

I do not think is good idea for aus tourist to go here but where I say is ok,,

You know soon if the rockets does not stop we israeli go back into Gaza again for operations like before when we makes them stop with force,,

It is to Hamas that we give warning,, we can bring them fire,, they know this

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:19am:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:17am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:09am: chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:44am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 9:38am: Avram - you must be a stooge planted here. Not even Jews believe that sh1t You might be surprised Bobby. The Jews ties to the Holy Land runs deeper than in any Westerners ties to their historical homeland, and there is plenty of available information and documentation which shows this. Yeah right - cause god said.   ;D No, because that's what they believe. The believe it cause their parents said

Lord Balfour knew enough about the history in 1917 to write the Balfour Declaration which was then accepted by the League of Nations.
History, is history.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:44am:

Avram, Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us Avram - if I go to Israel & a war starts will they give me a rifle so that I can shoot as many Arabs as possible?

No, but if you go too close to the Muslim extremists they might cut off your head.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:51am: Hi Bobby is safe to go to Israel please, Tel Aviv. Eilat, west Jerusalem is all safe and ok for you, You know as child for me I see no problems in Tel Aviv,, is problems happen where palestinians is the cause trouble close to Gaza and east Israel- Judea ect,, But no you can not fire to peoples with rifles,, you know we has before say to Jewish settlements peoples not to fire to palestinians as it can bring problems,, we is fair as we can be No - I won't go to Israel unless they give me a rifle if a war starts. Even right now missiles are being fired from Gaza into nearby towns.

Bobby mate they are not going to give you a fking rifle.
There is a tad difference between someone like Avram here who was in the army and you who will be shooting with your shorts and sunnies on.

Mate you wouldn't go to the West Bank for a holiday.....

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us I will come after Israel gets a nuke dropped on it by Russia or China

Racking up the anti-Jewish comments in the one week.....

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:46am:

Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us I will come after Israel gets a nuke dropped on it by Russia or China

Your an anarchist living a dream that will never come true.
China couldn't give a stuff about Israel, and the Russians are still getting over the fact that the great father of the Russian people Vladimir Lenin was a Jew.

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 10:59am:

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:44am: Avram, Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us Avram - if I go to Israel & a war starts will they give me a rifle so that I can shoot as many Arabs as possible? No, but if you go too close to the Muslim extremists they might cut off your head.

Yeah right,
If there was a war Israel would be looking for anyone that could
lift a rifle & pull the trigger.
They are out numbered 20 to 1.

Even Grandma would get a rifle.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:46am: Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us I will come after Israel gets a nuke dropped on it by Russia or China Racking up the anti-Jewish comments in the one week.....

How is that anti jewish?

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:03am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:46am: Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us I will come after Israel gets a nuke dropped on it by Russia or China Your an anarchist living a dream that will never come true. China couldn't give a stuff about Israel, and the Russians are still getting over the fact that the great father of the Russian people Vladimir Lenin was a Jew.

We will see I guess.
No one will win when the war that Israel is pushing for starts, probably millions of deaths on each side.

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:59am: Bobby. wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 10:44am: Avram, Quote: Maybe come to israel and see us Avram - if I go to Israel & a war starts will they give me a rifle so that I can shoot as many Arabs as possible? No, but if you go too close to the Muslim extremists they might cut off your head. Yeah right, If there was a war Israel would be looking for anyone that could lift a rifle & pull the trigger. They are out numbered 20 to 1. Even Grandma would get a rifle.

There is a lovely video that was floating on UTube last year showing a young Muslim boy cutting the head off a dead man whilst the adults cheered him on.
Even at 20:1, my bet is on the Israeli's though.
Israel won four wars to the knife fighting numerically superior forces.
Israel has the training, and the leadership, and the will to survive which is ingrained in all of them since childhood.
And they have fought to survive since 1948, and don't you worry about Grandma.
She already knows how to use an Uzi sub-machine gun and throw a grenade, and has already used it in combat.
An army of lions led by a chicken, will lose against an army of chickens led by a lion everytime.
And the Arab armies have proven themselves unworthy over and over and over again.
And just the alleged threat of a Israeli thermonuclear bomb exploding over an Arab tank column would send them into instant retreat and have them soiling their undies.
Many of the Arab dead from their last foray in trying to destroy Israel in 1973, are still buried on the Golan Heights and possibly some of them are still running today.
You can be sure whatever any other countries intentions are in the region, Israel will be ready.

Chicken,

Quote:

And they have fought to survive since 1948, and don't you worry about Grandma. She already knows how to use an Uzi sub-machine gun and throw a grenade, and has already used it in combat.

I'd be scared of a grandma like that -  ;D

bobbythefap1 wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 2:47pm:

bugger Israel Islam bugger its psychopathic supporters. and bugger fairy tales.

Please explain

http://cdn.muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/israel-nuclear-v-iran-cartoon1.jpg

falah wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

http://cdn.muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/israel-nuclear-v-iran-cartoon1.jpg

Cute.


Which Arab country feels actually threatened by Israel, with or without nukes??

Great cartoon.
Sums it up

Soren wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 9:01pm:

falah wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 8:15pm: http://cdn.muslimvillage.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/israel-nuclear-v-iran-cartoon1.jpg Cute. Which Arab country feels actually threatened by Israel, with or without nukes??

Israel is a proliferator of nuclear weapons. Israel assisted Apartheid South Africa develop its nuclear program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction


Turkish PM: Israel a nuclear threat

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4131629,00.html

Arabs to mark Israel nuclear threat

http://www.wilayahnetwork.com/news/?id=7231

Arab League chief warns of 'Israeli nuclear threat'
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3868779,00.html

Look at history book.

It is not we who attacks other nations and invades,,

Many times in 20. century it is the Arabs who invades Israel.

We is no threat.

Threat is from Muslims

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

Look at history book. It is not we who attacks other nations and invades,, Many times in 20. century it is the Arabs who invades Israel. We are no threat. Threat is from Muslims

No threat?

http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

Quote:

The Sinai War (1956) [Also known as the Suez War]--The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal. The Six-Day War (1967)--In a rapid pre-emptive attack, Israel crushed the military forces of Egypt, Jordan and Syria and seized large amounts of land from each. Iraq also participated in the fighting on the Arab side. Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1978)--Operation Litani was the official name of Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani river. The Osirak Raid (1981)--An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor. The Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1982-1984)-- The Israeli Occupation of South Lebanon (1984-2000)-- 2006)--In response to repeated guerrilla attacks by the the Shiite Lebanese militia Hezbollah, Israel invaded southern Lebanon, set up a naval blockade, and launched a powerful bombing campaign in order to win the release of two captured Israeli soldiers. Threat of an Israeli-Iran War--Scenarios for a possible Israeli attack on Iran, or an Iranian attack on Israel. Emphasis on the nuclear threat from Iran.

All of this times you say is in responses to provockation from Arabs and is to aim of defend Israel,, not attack.

Israel is peaceful nation,

Bobby. wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:58pm:

[quote]The Sinai War (1956) [Also known as the Suez War]--The invasion and temporary conquest of Egypt's Sinai Peninsula by Israel, while France and Great Britain seized the Suez Canal. The Six-Day War (1967)--In a rapid pre-emptive attack, Israel crushed the military forces of Egypt, Jordan and Syria and seized large amounts of land from each. Iraq also participated in the fighting on the Arab side. Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1978)--Operation Litani was the official name of Israel's 1978 invasion of Lebanon up to the Litani river. The Osirak Raid (1981)--An Israeli air attack on Iraq's Osirak nuclear reactor. The Israeli Invasion of Lebanon (1982-1984)-- The Israeli Occupation of South Lebanon (1984-2000)-- 2006)--In response to repeated guerrilla attacks by the the Shiite Lebanese militia Hezbollah, Israel invaded southern Lebanon, set up a naval blockade, and launched a powerful bombing campaign in order to win the release of two captured Israeli soldiers. Threat of an Israeli-Iran War--Scenarios for a possible Israeli attack on Iran, or an Iranian attack on Israel. Emphasis on the nuclear threat from Iran.

Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks.

What else have you got?

Soren,

Quote:

Every single one is an example of response to sustained provocation and attacks.

Your words are just spin - how about-

naked aggression against peace loving neighbours?

Sorry Avram but I dont think anyone believes that Israel is peacefull

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16^th, 2012 at 11:03pm:

Look at history book. It is not we who attacks other nations and invades,, Many times in 20. century it is the Arabs who invades Israel. We is no threat. Threat is from Muslims

What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and  occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PaG-oRPFduY/TiweYiztuXI/AAAAAAAAAAM/1NAXPONTmdc/s1600/map2.jpg



http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html



Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then?
Revealed: how Israel offered to sell South Africa nuclear weapons
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons

falah wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 16th, 2012 at 11:03pm: Look at history book. It is not we who attacks other nations and invades,, Many times in 20. century it is the Arabs who invades Israel. We is no threat. Threat is from Muslims What? Arabs attacked Israel? After Israelis went to all the bother of invading and  occupying Arab lands, and murdering and expelling Arab civilians. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PaG-oRPFduY/TiweYiztuXI/AAAAAAAAAAM/1NAXPONTmdc/s1600/map2.jpg http://www.deiryassin.org/mas.html Selling weapons to apartheid South Africa is all kosher then? Did they sell any weapons Falah?

Your propaganda map is flawed.

Gaza was controlled by Egypt, they lost it to Israel in the 1967 six day war.
Israel gave gaza back,your map ignores history to present propaganda.

The west bank was controlled by Jordan who lost it to Israel in the 1967 six day war.

If you want to use maps for propaganda at least make them accurate or people might call bullshit.