Herpes-death probe of bris baby

By JOSE MARTINEZLast Updated: 3:22 AM, March 7, 2012Posted: 1:59 AM, March 7, 2012

The death of a 2-week-old baby boy who contracted herpes following an ultra-Orthodox circumcision is being investigated by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office.

A spokesman for DA Charles Hynes yesterday confirmed that prosecutors are looking into the Sept. 28, 2011, death at Maimonides Hospital.
The infant had been circumcised in a controversial religious ceremony in which a rabbi or mohel draws blood away from the freshly circumcised penis with his mouth.

In 2004, another baby died after catching herpes from a Rockland rabbi who performed the bris.

Source: NY Post

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

The infant had been circumcised in a controversial religious ceremony in which a rabbi or mohel draws blood away from the freshly circumcised penis with his mouth. Source: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/herpes_death_probe_of_bris_baby_PVRokFJcFMkJdHas44IuFN#ixzz1oTZR1Y1Y

What is a mohel Abu?

Can you please link your sources so we can click on them, it takes no extra effort.

Science might be close to a cure for herpes,HepC and HPV virus which is good because God does not care there will be no cure from him regardless of how many times he is asked by prayer.
Harvard did a study on  prayer, it appears god is not listening,google it Abu.

Butylated Hydroxytoluene is showing anti viral properties, it does not kill the virus it reacts with the cell walls of the virus enabing the immune system to recognize the virus and finish it off.
It is still in the research stage yet the results are good.

If God made man perfect then why is there a need for circumcision?
Did he forget to do something?
"God speaking here-
Listen up chaps.. a slight oversight on my part, you all have to cut the ends off your dicks"

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 9:48am:

Herpes-death probe of bris baby By JOSE MARTINEZLast Updated: 3:22 AM, March 7, 2012Posted: 1:59 AM, March 7, 2012 The death of a 2-week-old baby boy who contracted herpes following an ultra-Orthodox circumcision is being investigated by the Brooklyn District Attorney’s Office. A spokesman for DA Charles Hynes yesterday confirmed that prosecutors are looking into the Sept. 28, 2011, death at Maimonides Hospital. The infant had been circumcised in a controversial religious ceremony in which a rabbi or mohel draws blood away from the freshly circumcised penis with his mouth. In 2004, another baby died after catching herpes from a Rockland rabbi who performed the bris. Source: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/brooklyn/herpes_death_probe_of_bris_baby_PVRokFJcFMkJdHas44IuFN#ixzz1oTZR1Y1Y

Rabbis suck babies' penises? That is pretty sick. Sounds like pedophilia to me. I will never look at a rabbi the same way again.

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

What is a mohel Abu?

It is a Rabbi who specialises in circumcision.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

Can you please link your sources so we can click on them, it takes no extra effort.

Actually that was an oversight, if you check any of my threads with links, you'll find all nicely hyperlinked. Fixed. Btw, doesn't take that much more to swipe your mouse over it, hit ctrl-c and then ctrl-v in your address bar.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

If God made man perfect then why is there a need for circumcision?

Man is not perfect. God alone is perfect.


Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 11:22am:

Did he forget to do something? "God speaking here- Listen up chaps.. a slight oversight on my part, you all have to cut the ends off your dicks"

Did he forget something? What kind of an absurd question is this? Have you ever read the Biblical passages that deal with the institution of this practice? Did it sound like it was an oversight?

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

Btw, doesn't take that much more to swipe your mouse over it, hit ctrl-c and then ctrl-v in your address bar.

BV also keeps complaining that I havent provided a link. Just because I didn't bother with the hyperlink. How much effort is to 'cut and paste' anyway?

If anybody else does they will go to jail, but for some reason, old Jewish guys are allowed to suck baby penises:


Jewish Rabbi Explains Why Baby Penis Is To Be Sucked

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4wwaUB7Fgo

http://www.subvertednation.net/jews-suck-baby-penises/

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 8:10pm:

Man is not perfect. God alone is perfect.

How do you, with your imperfect human mind, grasp perfection?

Doesn't your grasp of the concept of god (or anything else) have to be imperfect by definition, if you are yourself imperfect?

animals is when you has a young girl raped,, and she is then put to death for repporting of this crime.

That is animals behavior..

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 10^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

animals is when you has a young girl raped,, and she is then put to death for repporting of this crime. That is animals behavior..

Is that supposed to somehow detract from the despicable nature of this religious Jewish practice?

i has not comment on the Orthodox methods for this. i am not orthodox Jewish,,

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:38pm: animals is when you has a young girl raped,, and she is then put to death for repporting of this crime. That is animals behavior.. Is that supposed to somehow detract from the despicable nature of this religious Jewish practice?

Does it work for you every time you change the topic Abu?

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

Does it work for you every time you change the topic Abu?

Dunno, never tried it.

freediver wrote on Mar 10^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:50pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Mar 10th, 2012 at 9:38pm: animals is when you has a young girl raped,, and she is then put to death for repporting of this crime. That is animals behavior.. Is that supposed to somehow detract from the despicable nature of this religious Jewish practice? Does it work for you every time you change the topic Abu?

Freediver, you are very vocal when it comes to Islam, don't you have anything to say about this Jewish practice?

falah wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 12:02am:

Freediver, you are very vocal when it comes to Islam, don't you have anything to say about this Jewish practice?

I don't see much point, but if you can find a Jew willing to come on here and defend this practice then I will give him a hard time for you. What is opbviously lunatic extremism in other religions appears to be mainstream in Islam.

freediver wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 9:26am:

falah wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 12:02am: Freediver, you are very vocal when it comes to Islam, don't you have anything to say about this Jewish practice? I don't see much point, but if you can find a Jew willing to come on here and defend this practice then I will give him a hard time for you. What is opbviously lunatic extremism in other religions appears to be mainstream in Islam.

This is not a fringe element of Jews. Sucking baby penis is part of Orthodox Judaism.

25 percent of Israeli Jews are practioners of Orthodox Judaism. They are the fastest growing demographic amongst the Israelis.

Among American synagogue members, 27 percent attend Orthodox synagogues.

Freediver does it not concern you that rabbis in Australia are sucking baby penis?

falah,

freediver is a slave to whatever issues the mass media puts in front of him. If they talk day and night about Muslims, then that's what he'll also parrot. You'll realise soon enough the guy does not have much of a mind of his own.

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 11:40am:

falah, freediver is a slave to whatever issues the mass media puts in front of him. If they talk day and night about Muslims, then that's what he'll also parrot. You'll realise soon enough the guy does not have much of a mind of his own.

You can't expect more from a wannabe politician.

Jan wrote on Mar 17^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 11:40am: falah, freediver is a slave to whatever issues the mass media puts in front of him. If they talk day and night about Muslims, then that's what he'll also parrot. You'll realise soon enough the guy does not have much of a mind of his own. You can't expect more from a wannabe politician.

fd wants to be a politician? He can't even manage this forum let alone anything greater.

He does seem to have the "don't ask questions, just toe the party line" mentality though...

Lie

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:00am:

Jan wrote on Mar 17th, 2012 at 2:01pm: abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 11:40am: falah, freediver is a slave to whatever issues the mass media puts in front of him. If they talk day and night about Muslims, then that's what he'll also parrot. You'll realise soon enough the guy does not have much of a mind of his own. You can't expect more from a wannabe politician. fd wants to be a politician? He can't even manage this forum let alone anything greater. He does seem to have the "don't ask questions, just toe the party line" mentality though...

Pollies and those who aspire to be one are in for the money not for balanced leadership ... So it's obvious they have to 'toe the zionist party line' ... that's where the cash flows from ... It's the age old adage. If you want to know who your enemy is ... "Follow the money"

Jan wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:34am:

abu_rashid wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 1:00am: Jan wrote on Mar 17th, 2012 at 2:01pm: abu_rashid wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 11:40am: falah, freediver is a slave to whatever issues the mass media puts in front of him. If they talk day and night about Muslims, then that's what he'll also parrot. You'll realise soon enough the guy does not have much of a mind of his own. You can't expect more from a wannabe politician. fd wants to be a politician? He can't even manage this forum let alone anything greater. He does seem to have the "don't ask questions, just toe the party line" mentality though... Pollies and those who aspire to be one are in for the money not for balanced leadership ... So it's obvious they have to 'toe the zionist party line' ... that's where the cash flows from ... It's the age old adage. If you want to know who your enemy is ... "Follow the money"

Really?      ;D


Coz that is the rationale that i primarily use, when choosing a stock market co. to buy.




+++


Hey Jan,

If Jesus is correct [see below], things are NOT looking good, for people like yourself.       ;)



Matthew 25:14
For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
15  And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
16  Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
17  And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
18  But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
19  After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
20  And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
21  His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
22  He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
23  His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
24  Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
25  And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
26  His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
27  Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
28  Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
29  For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
30  And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.




We all have been given gifts from God.

What is your gift Jan ?



Envy, is not a gift from God.

That, comes from your own heart.

Yadda wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 2:29pm:

[We all have been given gifts from God. What is your gift Jan ?

The things you didn't get ... Thought and reason


Quote:

Envy, is not a gift from God. That, comes from your own heart.

The envy is yours not mine. You're the one who follows the stock market ie "The Money".

Jan wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:49pm:

Yadda wrote on Mar 18th, 2012 at 2:29pm: [We all have been given gifts from God. What is your gift Jan ? The things you didn't get ... Thought and reason Quote: Envy, is not a gift from God. That, comes from your own heart. The envy is yours not mine. You're the one who follows the stock market ie "The Money".

I do not envy rich people.

And the stock market,  .....i am just trying to redistribute the wealth of others, to the poor.

I don't rob people, i don't steal from people.

I am not envious of what other people have.

I'm not a socialist.

Yadda wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 4:01pm:

I do not envy rich people. And the stock market,  .....i am just trying to redistribute the wealth of others, to the poor. I don't rob people, i don't steal from people. I am not envious of what other people have. I'm not a socialist.

Perhaps i should have more correctly said....

I try not to be envious of what other people have.

I understand, that envy is a grievous and destructive sin.

Seems this is becoming a bit of a frequent occurrence these herpes ridden mohels sucking off little kids and infecting them with their filthy diseases.

Nevermind though, look over there, a Muslim is doing something bad, I'm sure...

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Two U.S. babies sickened by circumcision rite
New Jersy infants infected with Herpes allegedly transmitted from mohel.
By Debra Nussbaum Cohen

Two Jewish infants in New Jersey were recently infected with — but survived — a herpes virus attributed to their ritual circumcisers’ use of an oral suctioning technique that is said to have caused the death of an infant in New York in September.

Dr. Margaret Fisher, chair of pediatrics at Monmouth Medical Center, told the Forward that a newborn boy was admitted to the center within the past month, infected with the virus, known as HSV-1, within days of his circumcision. The other case “was in the last year or two,” said Fisher, a pediatric infectious disease specialist. Both boys had herpes lesions on their genitals but “extremely mild cases,” she said, and both were successfully treated for 10 days with intravenous anti-viral medication.

http://www.haaretz.com/polopoly_fs/1.366550.1307453104!/image/2280305811.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_295/2280305811.jpg
A newborn baby following his Bris, a Jewish circumcision ceremony in San Francisco, May 15, 2011.

The two babies were admitted to a hospital close to Lakewood, N.J., which is home to a large ultra-Orthodox community.

News of the New Jersey infections comes amid renewed debate sparked by the report of the baby who died in September of HSV-1, acquired when his mohel orally suctioned his circumcision wound, according to New York City officials. The procedure, known in Hebrew as metzitzah b’peh, was last blamed for causing an infant death in New York in 2006.

Source: Haaretz

Abu were you just accusing me in the other thread of having a fixation on something? Has anyone here taken you up on your baby penis sucking debate, or do you just like the topic?

fd, I just like breaking up the monotony of the constant barrage of fabrications and distortions you make about Islam.

This is not sensible thread to see on this place.

It do not mean anything.

Abu you could always try breaking up the monotony by giving a straight answer instead of always trying to change the subject to anything other than Islam.

freediver wrote on Mar 21^st, 2012 at 8:41am:

Abu you could always try breaking up the monotony by giving a straight answer instead of always trying to change the subject to anything other than Islam.

The pot calling the kettle black  [smiley=shocked.gif]

falah wrote on Mar 11^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

freediver wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 9:26am: falah wrote on Mar 11th, 2012 at 12:02am: Freediver, you are very vocal when it comes to Islam, don't you have anything to say about this Jewish practice? I don't see much point, but if you can find a Jew willing to come on here and defend this practice then I will give him a hard time for you. What is opbviously lunatic extremism in other religions appears to be mainstream in Islam. This is not a fringe element of Jews. Sucking baby penis is part of Orthodox Judaism. 25 percent of Israeli Jews are practioners of Orthodox Judaism. They are the fastest growing demographic amongst the Israelis. Among American synagogue members, 27 percent attend Orthodox synagogues. Freediver does it not concern you that rabbis in Australia are sucking baby penis?

Some Jews ritually suck baby penises after circumcision - and so now it's OK for you to blow up trains, tubes, airports, clubs, newspaper publishers, kill translators, and random school girls??

Soren wrote on Apr 7^th, 2012 at 11:19pm:

Some Jews ritually suck baby penises after circumcision - and so now it's OK for you to blow up trains, tubes, airports, clubs, newspaper publishers, kill translators, and random school girls??

Your tolerance of sucking babies penis' amazes me So'run ... Have you upgraded to adults and found it pleasurable to make you so tolerant?

Jan wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 2:08am:

Soren wrote on Apr 7th, 2012 at 11:19pm: Some Jews ritually suck baby penises after circumcision - and so now it's OK for you to blow up trains, tubes, airports, clubs, newspaper publishers, kill translators, and random school girls?? Your tolerance of sucking babies penis' amazes me So'run ... Have you upgraded to adults and found it pleasurable to make you so tolerant?

It is obviously a desert people's way of applying something antiseptic - saliva - to a wound.

If this makes you feel free to blow up people on trains than you are sick smacking monster.

Sheesh to think lives could have been saved if he used a straw to suck baby dick blood.

falah wrote on Mar 8^th, 2012 at 4:59pm:

Rabbis suck babies' penises? That is pretty sick. Sounds like pedophilia to me. I will never look at a rabbi the same way again.

Oh rabbis, not rabbits.  My mistake   :-[
http://www.funinfinite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/gay-bunny.jpg

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

It is obviously a desert people's way of applying something antiseptic - saliva - to a wound. If this makes you feel free to blow up people on trains than you are sick smacking monster.

While human saliva contains some antibacterial compounds it is by no means an antibacterial cleanser. Probably due to tolerant microbes living in the mouth.

At best this is a poor method of washing the wound. The focus is probably the blood which they consider religiously significant.  As seen in kosher meat preparation etc.

Whose focus?

freediver wrote on Apr 17^th, 2012 at 9:38pm:

Whose focus?

The focus of the ritual participants, especially the rabbi who is hoovering up the blood.

Are you just guessing?

Soren wrote on Apr 8^th, 2012 at 9:31pm:

It is obviously a desert people's way of applying something antiseptic - saliva - to a wound. If this makes you feel free to blow up people on trains than you are sick smacking monster.

You're the sick b@st@rd ... a dogs mouth is cleaner than a humans, and if they wanted to use something sterile they could use URINE... (unless the rabbi had a urinary tract infection, which is more than possible via their revolting sexual preferences).

Urine was used on battlefields to cleanse wounds ... it's where the expression "I wouldn't piss on him", to indicate disgust originated ...

ie. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

There is a difference between sterile and antiseptic.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 6:24pm:

There is a difference between sterile and antiseptic.

If it aint sterile it aint anti-septic.

Bacterial population in the human mouth can lead to gingivitis, periodontitis and tooth decay. God only knows what it can cause to a cut foreskin.

But a dog can lick a wound and it will clean and help the healing.

There's a difference between a brain and the brainless too.

Jan wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 9:31pm: It is obviously a desert people's way of applying something antiseptic - saliva - to a wound. If this makes you feel free to blow up people on trains than you are sick smacking monster. You're the sick b@st@rd ... a dogs mouth is cleaner than a humans, and if they wanted to use something sterile they could use URINE... (unless the rabbi had a urinary tract infection, which is more than possible via their revolting sexual preferences). Urine was used on battlefields to cleanse wounds ... it's where the expression "I wouldn't piss on him", to indicate disgust originated ... ie. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

A dogs mouth is fairly bad for germs they dont brush their teeth or floss not to mention the odd bit off asslicking which could carry e coli bacteria.
Have you seen some of the things that dogs lick, i would not let a dog anywhere near a wound.

Islam preaches camel urine will kill every germ known to mankind, it even says there are health benefits in drinking camel urine-
You can use it to wash your hair, it kills dandruff.
http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/83423/camel

Quote:

If it aint sterile it aint anti-septic.

Not true either. You should start with a dictionary.

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Jan wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 5:49pm: Soren wrote on Apr 8th, 2012 at 9:31pm: It is obviously a desert people's way of applying something antiseptic - saliva - to a wound. If this makes you feel free to blow up people on trains than you are sick smacking monster. You're the sick b@st@rd ... a dogs mouth is cleaner than a humans, and if they wanted to use something sterile they could use URINE... (unless the rabbi had a urinary tract infection, which is more than possible via their revolting sexual preferences). Urine was used on battlefields to cleanse wounds ... it's where the expression "I wouldn't piss on him", to indicate disgust originated ... ie. I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. A dogs mouth is fairly bad for germs they dont brush their teeth or floss not to mention the odd bit off asslicking which could carry e coli bacteria. Have you seen some of the things that dogs lick, i would not let a dog anywhere near a wound. Islam preaches camel urine will kill every germ known to mankind, it even says there are health benefits in drinking camel urine- You can use it to wash your hair, it kills dandruff. http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/83423/camel

Camels live in the desert and must conserve water. It is only logical that they have a system of preserving the water and keeping it free from microbial infections.


Camel urine may even be effective in treating cancer as due to its cytotoxic properties.

Camels’ urine may help treat cancer
http://www.saudigazette.com.sa/index.cfm?method=home.regcon&contentID=2009071143333


It contains anti-oxidants and anti-mutagenic compounds.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8771453


The pharmaceutical company Wyeth uses horse urine to make medicines.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premarin



Camels could help cure humans
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1702393.stm

Quote:

Camels live in the desert and must conserve water. It is only logical that they have a system of preserving the water and keeping it free from microbial infections.

Did the Koran tell you this little insight, or are you making it up as you go along? Can you explain how urination conserves water? Do animals in wet areas have no need to keep internal fluids free from infection?

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

Quote: If it aint sterile it aint anti-septic. Not true either. You should start with a dictionary.

and you sir should start with a lesson in medicine ... a dictionary only gives a definition not a 'consult'. Many medications are made with urine and it's commonly found in cosmetics as well.

Even the Christian bible says in a verse “Drink water from thine own cistern and the streams of thine own well.” A reference to URINE therapy.

So if you're out in the desert with no water "Don't pee in the sand"

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:58pm:

Quote: Camels live in the desert and must conserve water. It is only logical that they have a system of preserving the water and keeping it free from microbial infections. Did the Koran tell you this little insight, or are you making it up as you go along? Can you explain how urination conserves water? Do animals in wet areas have no need to keep internal fluids free from infection?

Guess you can't read, or is it that you only read what you already believe in and are indoctrinated with.

From one of the links falah posted:
BBC News.

By North Africa correspondent David Bamford
Scientists from the United Arab Emirates have proposed using one of the world's hardiest mammals - the camel - in the campaign to fight and eradicate human diseases.

A team led by Dr Sabah Jassim, from the Zayed Complex for Herbal Research and Traditional Medicine, says camels are highly resistant to many deadly viral diseases and believes their antibodies could be used for new drugs.
Camels have a unique physiology that allows them to thrive in some of the world's harshest environments.

They can survive the perils of desert dehydration by storing water in their bloodstream; they can survive lack of food by holding extra fatty tissue in their humps; their milk stays fresh much longer than that of a cow.

Natural immunity

But as well as these advantages, they have immune systems that are so robust. They remain free from many of the viral diseases that affect other mammals, such as foot-and-mouth and rinderpest.

The antibodies that camels carry inside them are structurally much simpler than those of humans, and Dr Sabah Jassim suggests they could be much simpler to replicate artificially than human antibodies.

Writing in the British Institute of Biology's magazine, The Biologist, Dr Jassim says the small size of camel antibodies would also allow them to penetrate deep into human tissue and cells that would not be otherwise accessible.

He said the camel antibodies, by being transported from the desert sands into the laboratory test tube, had the potential to be a vital weapon against human diseases.

freediver wrote on Apr 18^th, 2012 at 9:58pm:

Quote: Camels live in the desert and must conserve water. It is only logical that they have a system of preserving the water and keeping it free from microbial infections. Did the Koran tell you this little insight, or are you making it up as you go along? Can you explain how urination conserves water? Do animals in wet areas have no need to keep internal fluids free from infection?

Camels have the ability to internally recycle not only the water in their urine when water is in short supply,


http://issuu.com/marmar92/docs/saudi-arabia (p.38)


but also the urea in the urine which can be processed in the camel's liver and made into new proteins.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=WgMerGqwcJMC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=camel+urine+recycle&source=bl&ots=4zlFmQ3d0L&sig=5kFMf-OSW0hyo4zV4YtpRxozPIc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hW2PT6aMF--QiAesu5DyAw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=camel%20urine%20recycle&f=false

falah wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 12:06pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:58pm: Quote: Camels live in the desert and must conserve water. It is only logical that they have a system of preserving the water and keeping it free from microbial infections. Did the Koran tell you this little insight, or are you making it up as you go along? Can you explain how urination conserves water? Do animals in wet areas have no need to keep internal fluids free from infection? Camels have the ability to internally recycle not only the water in their urine when water is in short supply, http://issuu.com/marmar92/docs/saudi-arabia (p.38) but also the urea in the urine which can be processed in the camel's liver and made into new proteins. http://books.google.com.au/books?id=WgMerGqwcJMC&pg=PA43&lpg=PA43&dq=camel+urine+recycle&source=bl&ots=4zlFmQ3d0L&sig=5kFMf-OSW0hyo4zV4YtpRxozPIc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hW2PT6aMF--QiAesu5DyAw&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=camel%20urine%20recycle&f=false

You are just taking the piss...

Jan wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 3:13am:

freediver wrote on Apr 18th, 2012 at 9:58pm: Quote: Camels live in the desert and must conserve water. It is only logical that they have a system of preserving the water and keeping it free from microbial infections. Did the Koran tell you this little insight, or are you making it up as you go along? Can you explain how urination conserves water? Do animals in wet areas have no need to keep internal fluids free from infection? Guess you can't read, or is it that you only read what you already believe in and are indoctrinated with. From one of the links falah posted: BBC News. By North Africa correspondent David Bamford Scientists from the United Arab Emirates have proposed using one of the world's hardiest mammals - the camel - in the campaign to fight and eradicate human diseases. A team led by Dr Sabah Jassim, from the Zayed Complex for Herbal Research and Traditional Medicine, says camels are highly resistant to many deadly viral diseases and believes their antibodies could be used for new drugs. Camels have a unique physiology that allows them to thrive in some of the world's harshest environments. They can survive the perils of desert dehydration by storing water in their bloodstream; they can survive lack of food by holding extra fatty tissue in their humps; their milk stays fresh much longer than that of a cow. Natural immunity But as well as these advantages, they have immune systems that are so robust. They remain free from many of the viral diseases that affect other mammals, such as foot-and-mouth and rinderpest. The antibodies that camels carry inside them are structurally much simpler than those of humans, and Dr Sabah Jassim suggests they could be much simpler to replicate artificially than human antibodies. Writing in the British Institute of Biology's magazine, The Biologist, Dr Jassim says the small size of camel antibodies would also allow them to penetrate deep into human tissue and cells that would not be otherwise accessible. He said the camel antibodies, by being transported from the desert sands into the laboratory test tube, had the potential to be a vital weapon against human diseases.

Why are there no western scientists researching the health benefits of drinking camel urine,perhaps the Islamic scientists are only concerned with proving Mohammad right as no muslim would commit blasphemy by saying Mohammad was wrong about the health benefits from drinking camel urine

Aids/Hiv is rampant in Africa and spreading rapidly because muslims believe drinking camel urine can cure aids.

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And it is here too where a growing ignorance and lack of adequate health facilities among the devastated populations have enticed families to use unconventional ways and means to treat HIV/AIDS virus. We use traditional habits to treat the virus,we especially use camel products because it has a great medicinal value. http://www.onislam.net/english/health-and-science/health/452196-horn-of-africas-unconventional-hiv-treatment.html

Muslims claim drinking camel urine can cure hiv/aids,it is used to treat cancer  and can even cure baldness.

A glass of alcohol is not allowed in Islam despite sura 16:67 saying it is ok yet a glass of camel urine is encouraged for good health.
http://quran.com/16/67
There better be no verses outlawing alcohol or that would be a clear contradiction
http://quran.com/4/82

Mohammad prescribing camel urine to cure illness can only be described as quackery.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quackery


If there are no health benefits with drinking camel urine does that mean Mohammad was a fraud?