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Message started by imcrookonit on Mar 9th, 2012 at 8:46am

Title: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by imcrookonit on Mar 9th, 2012 at 8:46am
Mining can't bail out all the jobless, industry warns.  :(
Shane Green
March 9, 2012



Online political editor Tim Lester looks at the effects of the mining boom against high unemployment rates.


The mining industry has warned it cannot soak up the tens of thousands of workers being shed by manufacturing, saying it wants workers with specific skills, such as tradesmen.   :-?

In a reality check for redundant workers looking for a new start from the mining boom, the Minerals Council of Australia said there were only small pockets of entry-level jobs available.   :(



''There is no shortage of people wanting to drive trucks and earn $150,000 a year. People think they are going to walk into those jobs. Well, they don't,'' said the council's director of education and training, Chris Fraser.   :(

Mr Fraser said it was a mistake to equate skills shortages with people shortages. ''The mining industry has got a skill shortage issue - a chronic shortage of mining professionals and tradesmen,'' he said.

The warning reflects the anecdotal evidence from manufacturing workers recently made redundant. At BlueScope Steel in Hastings, which shed about 250 jobs in August, it appears only a handful of workers are finding a new life in the mines.   :(

The state secretary of the Australian Workers Union, Cesar Melhem, said fewer than 10 redundant workers were expected to end up with mining jobs.

Mr Melhem said the civil construction jobs in the mining sector were different from the skills of manufacturing workers. ''They've got a pool to pick from,'' he said.

Buffeted by the high Australian dollar, BlueScope cut about 1000 jobs nationally, with most going from its Port Kembla operation in New South Wales. In the wake of the announcement, BHP Billiton - which spun off BlueScope in 2002 - offered the prospect of coalmining jobs to the career steel makers.

A BHP Billiton spokeswoman said almost 60 BlueScope workers had accepted jobs, and another 60 had been offered roles or were in the final stages of being hired. About 20 were working at the company's Illawarra Coal operation.

Labor senator and former metal workers' union head Doug Cameron said Treasury officials made the ''purely theoretical'' argument that manufacturing had to make way for the mining boom.   

''You've got various parts of the economy that are just not creating the jobs,'' he said.   :(

''You can't expect a 55-year-old boilermaker who's worked all his life at BlueScope Steel in Wollongong to just suddenly pack up.

''They just can't up and head over to Karratha or up to the north of Queensland.''

Despite its importance to the Australian economy, the mining sector is a relatively small employer compared with manufacturing.

The Minerals Council's Mr Fraser said mining's 220,000 workers comprised 2 per cent of the workforce, compared with manufacturing's 10 per cent.

Since the global financial crisis, Australian Bureau of Statistics figures show the mining sector has created almost 80,000 jobs, while manufacturing has lost 126,000.   :(

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/political-news/mining-cant-bail-out-all-the-jobless-industry-warns-20120308-1un51.html#ixzz1oZGeOfMP

Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by topend geo on Mar 9th, 2012 at 10:50am
Tis true, although there is still room in the NT for unskilled people in the mining industry, it is difficult to get someone who can pass a drug screen though.....

Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by thelastnail on Mar 9th, 2012 at 11:20am
So the GREAT BIG SKILLS SHORTAGE IN MINING wasn't about jobs for everyone !!

Sounds like it was just a lot of hot air !!

They should have taken my advice and created some real jobs manufacturing electric cars because Victoria is f.cked now !!

Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by Brendon on Mar 9th, 2012 at 11:24am
I find this hilarious.

Its mining exports that is keeping our dollar up which is ruining our economy and causing the shedding of jobs.


Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by topend geo on Mar 9th, 2012 at 2:17pm
Of course it isn't jobs for everyone, you do need to have some skills and ideally, a degree oh..and be able to pass a drug-test.

A good point Brendan, but just how low would our dollar need to go before we could compete against the Chinese / Indian / hell, even US labour market? Do you think Australian worker in manufacturing would accept comparable conditions / pay?

We need to focus on high-end tech skills and compete in ways that the low-cost labour market can't...Renewable technologies? idk...But you're going to need skills to work in those industries as well...

Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by Brendon on Mar 9th, 2012 at 2:43pm

topend geo wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
Of course it isn't jobs for everyone, you do need to have some skills and ideally, a degree oh..and be able to pass a drug-test.

A good point Brendan, but just how low would our dollar need to go before we could compete against the Chinese / Indian / hell, even US labour market? Do you think Australian worker in manufacturing would accept comparable conditions / pay?


topend geo,

it doesn't have to go that low to make a huge difference. Before our dollar spiked China could not economically go to our major building contractors and supply containers of flat pack pre-made  fittings. Just this alone is putting a big dint in our employment. I just came from a big shopfitting company and they are asking their workers to take time off.

It is the work we normally do here that China has been able to hone in on since the dollar increased to near parity,  and then over it, that is affecting out economy. Not the made-in-China rubbish that we see in the supermarkets.

Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by Brendon on Mar 9th, 2012 at 2:53pm

topend geo wrote on Mar 9th, 2012 at 2:17pm:
We need to focus on high-end tech skills and compete in ways that the low-cost labour market can't...Renewable technologies? idk...But you're going to need skills to work in those industries as well...


Doesn't work like that.

A perfect example is in the digital camera manufacturing base. Its all made in low wage countries.

Companies had already shipped their manufacturing base by the time the digital revolution arrived. So when the US developed digital technology, it did not create work in America, they just continued to make the new product in the same overseas locations.

If the IPads were made in the US, I have read where they would make 150-200 dollars approx on each item. They make more doing it from cheap labour-land, so thats the way it is.

You would need a nationalist mercantile type government with an actual vision for their country - like China and India have - to succeed in this world today the way it is set up. And China is proof of that.

Title: Re: Mining Cant Bail Out All The Jobless They Say.
Post by topend geo on Mar 9th, 2012 at 2:53pm
Cheers Brendan, Good points.

To tell you the truth I'm astounded  the boom has lasted as long as it has. A drop in comodities would certainly pull the Aus dollar back, but a drop in the comodities usually occurs during a period of low growth, i.e if the boom ended and our dollar dropped, you'd find demand for our manufacturing industry would drop also.

I'd still like to see us actually MAKING things from what we mine, value adding, then selling on.

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