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Title: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am

Queensland Labor to be wiped out: poll

Queensland's Labor government is headed for a devastating defeat at next Saturday's state election, if the latest opinion poll proves accurate.

According to a Galaxy Poll, published in Queensland's Sunday Mail, the Liberal National Party retains a huge 20-point advantage on a two-party preferred basis.

The LNP leads Labor 60-to-40 per cent in the poll of 800 voters taken on Thursday and Friday nights. The results were the same as the previous poll in mid-February.

The Sunday Mail says Labor, which currently holds 51 seats, could end up with as few as 12 seats.

If Labor can take any comfort from the poll, it might be that while LNP leader Campbell Newman is the preferred premier over the incumbent Anna Bligh, he only leads by eight points, 51-43.

All opinion polls have a margin of error, but the huge LNP lead suggests Mr Newman will be Queensland's next premier, as long as wins the seat of Ashgrove, where he is in a tight race with incumbent Kate Jones.

Link -
http://news.brisbanetimes.com.au/breaking-news-national/queensland-labor-to-be-wiped-out-poll-20120318-1vcvm.html
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As I have said previously, it is likely that the Liberals will be in power in all states & Federally.

With Queensland seemingly a forgone conclusion, that only leaves South Australia & the next Federal election left, before Labor disappear completely.

However, for those who may think that will solve all of our problems, rest assured it will not!

IN FACT, HAVING THE LIBERALS IN POWER, WILL ONLY EXACERBATE OUR ECONOMIC WOES, AS THEY REVERT TO THEIR STANDARD, GENERAL AUS-TERITY APPROACH!

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by adelcrow on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:22am

The switch of the states to Liberal is just the natural political cycle...I think Labor has been in power in Queensland for 20 yrs so its no surprise voters reckon its time for a change. Labor is a victim of its own successes and if the Libs manage to hang on to power for more than a decade in each of the states the same will happen to them.
As for federal politics, Howard led a country with Labor in all of the states and in fact it helped keep him in power because he was able to deflect the blame on to them and there's no reason to expect Gillard wont benefit in the same way because of Lib govts in the states.
We should also remember all of the Liberal states have moderate leaders where as Abbott is a hard line ultra conservative

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Andrei.Hicks on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:44am

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Labor is a victim of its own successes

Love to see these successes some day?

The NSW state was left in complete disarray.

Victoria had a Myki system costing millions which didn't work (i spoke to a mate who works in that area and the system is frighteningly bad - did you know if a tram goes over a multi-crossing point, the system gets wiped and can't read the card....).
Victoria was also left with a debt of billions for a de-sal plant which sits idle and has never been needed once.

Queensland has sold off the public assets, presided over a disastrous attempt to get businesses up to the state and admitted its failure.
It's lack of support for farmers in the North will lead to a catastrophic vote up there.

All in all, in the 3 key states, Labor are leaving all three of them in a total mess.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by adelcrow on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:59am

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Labor is a victim of its own successes

How long have Labor been in power in all the states?
My arguement is the longer you are in power the more often you will go through positive and negative economic cycles. The same happens to long term Liberal govts as it does to long term Labor govts so I hope no one is surprised when the political cycle repeats itself in the coming decade.
To get excited whether its all Labor or all Liberal govts in power is to ignore history and political as well as economic cycles.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by pansi1951 on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:31am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Yeah, it's like watching the "Good, the Bad & the Ugly", without Clint Eastwood.

The "Bad & the Ugly" are there, but where's the Good?

Unfortunately, the Federal situation is much the same and I venture the other states are similar!

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:35am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by adelcrow on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:48am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Reds under the beds...someones living in Frank Packers 1960's ;D

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Dnarever on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:10pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Yeah gotta love those fascists instead.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Swagman on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:22pm

Dnarever wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Yeah gotta love those fascists instead.

Both lefties anyway... :D

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by skippy. on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:59pm

Swagman wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:22pm:

Dnarever wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 12:10pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Yeah gotta love those fascists instead.

Both lefties anyway... :D

Still delusional I see ,mel. ;D

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Maqqa on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:03pm

sorry PN didn't see this thread

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by skippy. on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:54pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Only in the eyes of partisan hacks. ::)

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:06pm

skippy. wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Only in the eyes of partisan hacks. ::)

So would you say Australia's economy is being managed competently by Labor? Yes or no.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:07pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

What a fool. Under the previous Coalition government, this country's economy was one of the strongest and fastest-growing in the entire world. After paying off Keating's debt of nearly $100bn, Howard/Costello set about creating an enormous surplus that - suprise, suprise - Labor has gone and wasted through its economic incompetence! Australia seems to always be far better off under a Coalition government than a Labor government.

Again, as previously stated, I believe that the Liberals Debt reduction program under Howard/Costello was one of the 3 best Economic moves made by OZ Politicians over many decades, the other 2 being -
1) The Float of the OZ$.
2) The introduction of the Super Guarantee.

Without wasting too much time on it, let me say that there are "normal business/government Economic cycles" and depending on what point the cycle is at will largely dictate the actions that governments can take!

That said, the recent, current and near future events, that are pushing the local (OZ) and Global Economy, are well outside the factors usually associated with the "normal Economic cycle"!

I've told you that, simply to say this, that stimulating the Economy, by throwing money at it, was the correct Economic play for the years since the current GFC started back in 2007 (within limits), which happens to coincide with when Labor came to power, although Labor still managed a few stuff ups.

However, to pay credit where it is entitled, Labor may not have had the leeway, if the Libs hadn't got the Debt back under control.

That said, the Howard/ Costello years had a unique, once in history, window of opportunity to get Debt down, because they enjoyed the Peak years of the Baby Boomers Boom. However, the Libs could have & should have done much more, but we are certainly much better off than many other countries, because their Pollies did very little and in a number of instances they went backward.

In any event that's all history, because the period ahead will be well outside "normal Economic cycles" and if any government introduces general AUS-terity programs, IT WILL ONLY EXACERBATE THE ECONOMIC DECLINE OF THAT COUNTRY!

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:16pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Simply throwing money at a problem is not an indicator of good economic policy. If anything, it is the complete opposite. A few stuff-ups? Tell that to the families of the young men who died in the bungled/rorted insulation scheme and to those families who were lucky to live when their houses burned down. Tell that to the families who lost their life savings when their businesses went bust due to bungled stimulus scheme's. Tell that to schools who did not get value for money in the bungled and massively rorted BER. Tell that to the Australian people who now have to pay back an ever-increasing debt thanks to the incompetence of a panic-stricken Labor government that had absolutely no idea what on earth it was doing during the GFC, as evidenced by the deaths, houses burnt down and billions of dollars wasted.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:39pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

Simply throwing money at a problem is not an indicator of good economic policy. If anything, it is the complete opposite. A few stuff-ups? Tell that to the families of the young men who died in the bungled/rorted insulation scheme and to those families who were lucky to live when their houses burned down. Tell that to the families who lost their life savings when their businesses went bust due to bungled stimulus scheme's. Tell that to schools who did not get value for money in the bungled and massively rorted BER. Tell that to the Australian people who now have to pay back an ever-increasing debt thanks to the incompetence of a panic-stricken Labor government that had absolutely no idea what on earth it was doing during the GFC, as evidenced by the deaths, houses burnt down and billions of dollars wasted.

At that point, it was an absolute necessity and IF IT HADN'T HAPPENED THEN ALL OF THOSE OTHER PROBLEMS YOU REFERRED TO MAY WELL HAVE BEEN INSIGNIFICANT COMPARED TO WHAT MAY HAVE FOLLOWED.

A look at what is going on in Europe, Japan & the USA may provide some insight into what may have happened & indeed what is now in store here, irrespective of whether Labor or the Liberals are in power.

I say irrespective, but again I hark back to the Liberals likely AUS-terity programs and say again that it would exacerbate what will undoubtedly be a bad Economic climate anyhow!

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:40pm

Maqqa wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:03pm:

sorry PN didn't see this thread

No probs, Maqqa!

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by salad in on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 4:56pm

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

The switch of the states to Liberal is just the natural political cycle...

I gotta agree with that. It's the L-NP's turn to get those rather ample arses on a Qantas o/seas bound jet. Mind you those fact-finding-missions to Paris, Rome, London, New York, and Vienna can be hellish.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:40pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?

You mean how the Chinese CAPITALIST economy is growing strongly because it had 50 years of communist ruin to catch up on? It's not growing because china is some economic template for success. It is growing because for centuries it has been an economic and cultural basket-case and they are just now playing catchup with 80% of th country at a level of progress what we passed a cenury ago

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:44pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

You are still to explain to us how you propose that a govt (any govt) reduces its debt with cutting back on services, increasing taxes all within a recessed market. You seem to want to have your cake and eat it too.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by adelcrow on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:40pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?

Your talking about the period of colonialism, theft and slavery China suffered through that bought rise to communism so thats hardly the fault of the Chinese people.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 5:46pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:07pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

you do realise they too had the same stimuls programs that we had? and look at the differences in outcomes? could it possibly be that the fundamental of their economy were very differen than ours?

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by progressiveslol on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:26pm

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:59am:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:44am:

adelcrow wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 9:22am:

Labor is a victim of its own successes

Yeh we sure did bad with a long term liberal government federally. I could feel the pain lol. You may be partly right by sentiment, but not correct in fact.

Labor have screwed the economies of this country and continue to do so federally. The states are getting rid of labor for their poor management that could no longer be ignored.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Sprintcyclist on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:23pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

perceptions - yes, that's the facts

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by cods on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 8:30am

you do realise they too had the same stimuls programs that we had? and look at the differences in outcomes? could it possibly be that the fundamental of their economy were very differen than ours?

I laugh at the left.. all they talk about is the BOOM BOOM that Howard had...

they never mention the BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM that rudd/gillard have got..

its as if all this govt has done is struggle against adversity hilarious.

the only tsunami thats hit these shores is a labor govt

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by perceptions_now on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 5:45pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:23pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

perceptions - yes, that's the facts

Well, I must admit Sprinty, that comment did surprise me, a little.

But, it's good too see some lateral thinking!

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Deathridesahorse on Mar 19^th, 2012 at 5:57pm

perceptions_now wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 11:13am:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

Anna Bligh stinks and so does Campbell Newman. Is that all we have to offer? ugly and uglier.

The greens and independents should reap the benefits of having two misfits heading the major parties.

Better than having Communists running things.

Whilst I'm not a Communist system supporter in general, perhaps there may be some issues to take note of, given the current Chinese Economic position?

MASSIVE POPULATIONS PROBABLY NEED A DIFFERENT MODEL TO THE UNSUSTAINABLE ONE OF AMERICAS!

FAKE EGGS/FOOD-STUFFS ARE ALREADY OLD NEWS IN CHINA SO IMAGINE THE CHAOS THAT WOULD COME FROM A CORRUPTED DEMOCRACY PUSHING MERCILESSLY TO 'FREE UP' THE MARKET PLACE!

I MEAN, AMERICA HAS NO COMPULSORY VOTE SO IS IT REALLY A GOVERNMENT RUN BY THE PEOPLE WHEN ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO DON'T VOTE ARE AS GOOD AS VOTING FOR THE INCUMBENT THEREBY LEADING TO NO CHANGE!???!

TO MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT,
IMAGINE IF CHINAS WERE A WAR ECONOMY!
:o ::) ::) ::) ::) :o

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by buzzanddidj on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 9:40am

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

A few stuff-ups? Tell that to the families of the young men who died in the bungled/rorted insulation scheme and to those families who were lucky to live when their houses burned down. Tell that to the families who lost their life savings when their businesses went bust due to bungled stimulus scheme's. Tell that to schools who did not get value for money in the bungled and massively rorted BER. Tell that to the Australian people who now have to pay back an ever-increasing debt thanks to the incompetence of a panic-stricken Labor government that had absolutely no idea what on earth it was doing during the GFC, as evidenced by the deaths, houses burnt down and billions of dollars wasted.

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR!

Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up.

NOT EASY, IS IT?

NBN, and burying workchoices.

DESPITE the campaigns run by The Australian and The Telegraph, BOTH the BER and Home Insulation Scheme were innovative, successful and financialy sound

The BER - the largest nation building project undetaken in Australia's history - giving 98.5% value for money
The HIS reducing fires per insulation by around 80% - a result of a FIRST installation national compliance standard

And BOTH were major factors in leaving Australia relatively unscathed throuh the GFC - that gave similar economies (and still DOES) double digit unemployment figures

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by Armchair_Politician on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 11:49am

buzzanddidj wrote on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 9:40am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Mar 18^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

buzzanddidj wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 9:17am:

GoddyofOz wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 18^th, 2011 at 8:51am:

SENSES THE DESPERATION! SMELL THE FEAR!

Labor supporters are desperately casting about trying to find a policy - ANY policy that Labor hasnt comprehensively screwed up.

NOT EASY, IS IT?

NBN, and burying workchoices.

DESPITE the campaigns run by The Australian and The Telegraph, [b]BOTH the BER and Home Insulation Scheme were innovative, successful and financialy sound

The BER - the largest nation building project undetaken in Australia's history - giving 98.5% value for money
The HIS reducing fires per insulation by around 80% - a result of a FIRST installation national compliance standard

And BOTH were major factors in leaving Australia relatively unscathed throuh the GFC - that gave similar economies (and still DOES) double digit unemployment figures[/b]

Regarding the section I highlighted in bold red text, please tell the families of those who died in Garrett's bungled insulation scheme that it was a success and while you're at it, please tell the families whose houses burned down. Also, please tell the schools with a handful of students (including one that closed last year) that the hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on canteens that are too small or halls that do not accomodate every student that they got value for money after being told to butt-out and were not allowed to have a say in how the funds would be used in their school. Neither of those scheme's can be called a success. Just look at Garrett - he lost his portfolio because he was hopelessly incompetent.

Title: Re: One more gone, two more to go?
Post by longweekend58 on Mar 20^th, 2012 at 11:57am

Buzz has a different definition of successful and well run. It doesnt include concepts the business world uses like: NEED, VALUE FOR MONEY, LONG TERM OBJECTIVES

a govt project is considered successful if it concludes at all. And I cant even say 'concludes without killing anyone!"