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....... A self-absorbed man who stabbed his estranged wife to death in front of 300 people because she disobeyed him will spend at least 26 years behind bars. Zialloh Abrahimzadeh, 57, was sentenced today to life in jail after pleading guilty on day 11 of his murder trial earlier this year to killing Zahra at a Persian function at the Adelaide Convention Centre in March 2010. Before he changed his plea during his Supreme Court trial, Abrahimzadeh had admitted stabbing Zahra but said he didn't mean to and it wasn't his fault. Advertisement: Story continues below Supreme Court Justice John Sulan also set a 26-year non-parole period for Abrahimzadeh. The judge said Abrahimzadeh had shown no remorse when he wrote to his children after the murder - blaming their mother and her family for all his troubles. "You were completely self absorbed ... you have shown little or no remorse," Justice Sulan said today. Justice Sulan said evidence at Abrahimzadeh's trial showed the migrant resource centre worker had projected a double life. He was a violent bully to his wife and three children at home and a respected, caring man to the migrant community in Adelaide. All three of his children testified against him, saying they and their mother were frightened of Abrahimzadeh. They said they all moved out in secret after he threatened Zahra with a knife. Justice Sulan said Abrahimzadeh had threatened to kill his wife if she didn't stop divorce proceedings in the family court. "But she continued to disobey your demands," he said. The judge said Abrahimzadeh had gone to the function armed with a knife intending to attack his estranged wife. He stabbed her eight times in the back not long after the frightened woman had arranged for an escort to her car. She had gone to the party with her oldest daughter and her son's girlfriend, who witnessed the attack........

http://www.smh.com.au/national/husband-jailed-for-stabbing-disobedient-wife-to-death-in-front-of-300-people-20120419-1x8yx.html

He didnt obey aussie law and now hes in jail. Aussies do that too.

SOB

He'll probably die in there. Good.

The children can live without fear while they deal with the loss of their mother.

Assimilating to Australian culture?

Mark Anthony Thomas jailed over stabbing of wife during drunken argument

The court was told a witness saw couple making out, kissing and cuddling to music by popular former Brisbane band moments before hearing ambulance sirens could be heard rushing toward the Palm Beach residence.

Thomas, 53, was scheduled to stand trial for murdering Ms Westermann earlier this week, but entered a plea to the lesser charge of manslaughter on Tuesday.

Prosecutor Sal Vasta today told the court police were called to a Coolibah Street home about 5pm when Thomas made an emergency triple-0 telephone call saying a woman had been "stabbed in the guts''.

He said when pressed by the emergency operator as to who stabbed the woman, Thomas said: "Me, Mark Thomas.''

When police arrived Thomas was heard to say: "We just had an argument. I stabbed her, I think, in the guts.''


http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/mark-anthony-thomas-pleads-guilty-to-manslaughter-over-stabbing-of-wife-during-drunken-argument/story-e6freon6-1226325623973

Indigenous australian culture perhaps.

But let's face it - the ol' muselmen aren't averse to a spot of wife-bashing/murder/acid attacks

What about Joe korp was he Muslim?

Killed his wife in melbourne in 2005.

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2005/07/27/joekorp_wideweb__430x331,0.jpg

Joseph Korp and his lover Tania Herman caused the death of Korp's wife, Maria Korp, a coroner has found.

Mrs Korp was attacked in the garage of her Mickleham home, on Melbourne's northern outskirts, and left for dead in the boot of a car in February last year.

She died in the Alfred hospital several months later when her life support was removed.

Herman is serving a 12-year sentence after pleading guilty to the attempted murder of Mrs Korp.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/husband-and-lover-killed-korp-coroner/2006/06/30/1151174370896.html

Were these people Muslim?


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Man stabbed wife in front of daughter A Melbourne man who fatally stabbed his wife in front of their young daughter told police he lost control when she told him she enjoyed sex with another man, a court was told today. Paul Margach, 38, is accused of stabbing his wife Tina, 36, 20 times in the couple's suburban Ascot Vale home on October 15, 2004. http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/man-stabbed-wife-in-front-of-daughter/2006/01/31/1138590485565.html

How about this Christian who killed his wife?


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Husband admits murdering wife, court told A MELBOURNE man who claimed his missing wife might have been abducted by Muslim extremists has admitted he killed her, after detectives discovered a body buried in the couple's backyard... ...Detective Senior Sergeant Ron Iddles told the court that a woman's body was found buried underneath a concrete pad and a newly-constructed timber deck in the backyard of the couple's Ashwood home. "He has made full admissions in relation to this offence," he told the hearing. Ahmadi had previously claimed that his 46-year-old wife, also known as Mandy Ahmadi or Glorious, could have been a target of extremists for converting Muslims to Christianity. But homicide detectives gave no weight to the theory and a day after taking on the case entered the couple's home this morning armed with a search warrant and rakes and shovels. Det Sen Sgt Iddles said Ahmadi was arrested in the morning and interviewed throughout the day. By late afternoon police had ripped up the deck at the property, in Melbourne's southeastern suburbs, and unearthed the remains, which police believe are those of his missing wife. Ahmadi had reported Zahara missing two days after she vanished on December 16 last year. The couple came to Australia with their two children as Iranian refugees in 1999, and later converted from Islam to Christianity. Zahara was actively involved in converting Muslims to Christianity, which leading her husband and their church to repeatedly make claims that Muslim hardliners could have abducted her. "Maybe somebody kidnapped (her)," her husband told Network Ten earlier this week. "We don't like you, you Christian and you convert the people to Christianity." Police dismissed those claims yesterday... http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/husband-admits-murdering-wife-court-told/story-e6frfku0-1226243904796

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FAMILY CHEERS AS 'PSYCHO' FATHER IS FOUND GUILTY OF STABBING HIS WIFE TO DEATH http://images.dailyexpress.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/285x214/53132_1.jpg The Lilburn's in happier times THE family of a man who stabbed his wife 86 times, cheered in court yesterday as he was convicted of murder. Former accountant David Lilburn,45, who attacked his wife Ann after she told him she wanted a divorce, showed no emotion as he was found guilty. He now faces life behind bars when he returns to the dock for sentence in September. There were cries of “yes” from family members while other wept with relief as the unanimous verdict was given at the High Court in Glasgow yesterday. The Lilburns’ three children, David Michael, 26, Paul, 25, and Laura Ann, 19, sat beside each other as their father - nicknamed “psycho,” by the family, was convicted. Outside court, David Michael, a hospital doctor who now uses his middle name to be different from his father, said his mother was the “most caring person” the family had known. http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/53132

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Man pleads guilty to killing wife in front of kids http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/11040760_BG1.jpg http://wthr.images.worldnow.com/images/11040760_BG2.jpg Police say Joseph Warnock stabbed to death his wife on Father's Day. Their 8- and 12-year-old daughters witnessed the crime. The stabbing happened four days after Angela Warnock asked a judge for a permanent order banning her husband's contact with the family. The victim told the judge she was afraid, calling her husband an alcoholic and a cocaine addict. The couple was going through a divorce. Warnock will be sentenced October 9th. He faces 55 years in prison http://www.wthr.com/Global/story.asp?S=11040760

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Life for man who stabbed sleeping wife in throat Brian Vickers (43) ...pleaded guilty yesterday to murdering his wife, Joan Vickers, a mother of four, on April 20, 2009. Her elderly father, Michael O'Connor, was sleeping in a downstairs bedroom at the time of the killing. Vickers, who has 10 minor previous convictions, had pleaded not guilty to the murder of his wife last Tuesday. His trial was due to open yesterday at the Central Criminal Court but, following a delay yesterday morning, Mr Justice John Edwards rearraigned him and Vickers replied "guilty". A loud sigh escaped from his family. http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/life-for-man-who-stabbed-sleeping-wife-in-throat-14839428.html

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Husband guilty of killing Vodafone executive wife after affair http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01512/SallySinclair_1512850c.jpg Alisdair Sinclair, 48, launched a “sustained and ferocious attack” on his wife Sally, 40, moments after she confessed that she was cheating on him. Mrs Sinclair, who was head of business analysis at the mobile phone giant, had tried to divert her husband’s suspicions by claiming she was a lesbian. But he confronted her on August 16 after finding a handwritten love letter by his wife to a male colleague which read: “I lust after you.” Sinclair’s suspicions had also been heightened after he found new underwear his wife had bought before going on an overnight business trip. Mrs Sinclair had filed for divorce in July and the murder took place on the day that he was due to officially respond to her request. After she admitted her infidelity, Sinclair attacked her in the kitchen of their £1 million country home near Amport, Hants. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6461360/Husband-guilty-of-killing-Vodafone-executive-wife-after-affair.html

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Tamworth man found guilty of murdering wife in front of her daughter A Tamworth man who stabbed his wife to death despite her eight-year-old daughter's efforts to stop the attack has been jailed for at least 20 years after being found guilty of murder. Simon Downer, whose step-daughter's evidence formed the "central plank" of the case against him, showed no emotion as he was convicted of killing Tracey Downer following a two-week trial at Birmingham Crown Court. Passing a mandatory life sentence, Judge Robert Juckes QC said the killing was aggravated by Downer's conviction for stabbing a previous partner and the fact it was witnessed by the eight-year-old. Ordering that Downer serve at least 20 years before being considered for parole, the judge praised the victim's daughter for giving "powerful and clear" eyewitness evidence. The eight-year-old, who cannot be named, told the court how she had disarmed her step-father before he selected another "massive" 12-inch knife to stab her mother. http://www.sundaymercury.net/news/midlands-news/2010/03/05/tamworth-man-found-guilty-of-murdering-wife-in-front-of-her-daughter-65233-25972223/

... wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Indigenous australian culture perhaps. But let's face it - the ol' muselmen aren't averse to a spot of wife-bashing/murder/acid attacks

I can't see an Aboriginal or a Muslim amongst this lot of Aussie wife murderers.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

... wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 4:38pm: Indigenous australian culture perhaps. But let's face it - the ol' muselmen aren't averse to a spot of wife-bashing/murder/acid attacks I can't see an Aboriginal or a Muslim amongst this lot of Aussie wife murderers.

YAAAAWN

Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.


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New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year. The figures, compiled by WA Police, also show that indigenous offenders were responsible for 175, or 16 per cent, of the 1078 sexual assaults committed between January and August this year. Of 162 sexual assaults committed by children aged 10 to 17 over the same period, 34 per cent were committed by Aboriginal youths. Aboriginal people make up less than 3 per cent of WA's population.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-home/

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The couple came to Australia with their two children as Iranian refugees in 1999, and later converted from Islam to Christianity.

Once a muslim, always a muslim.

Anyway Falah, I can see you've gone to an awful lot of trouble, even going so far as to pick stories from the UK.  The question is why?  I don't recall anyone saying every person who ever bashed/killed his wife was a muselman. 

I take it this is whiteys fault too?  I look forward to seeing how you try to twist it.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_nPqYUdgoDyA/Sb4pjTfThdI/AAAAAAAAAH8/0UF1G5edtRI/s320/ss-080815-burned-beauticians-tease_300w.jpg

<<YAAAAWN

Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.>>
...............................................................

Aboriginals, Muslims and white Australians all do more wife murdering than we care to see. It is evident in all cultures, isn't it? So why single out one or two?

Oh! they're the ones you like to diss on Wesley, carry on then, we expect it.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:41pm:

<<YAAAAWN Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.>> ............................................................... Aboriginals, Muslims and white Australians all do more wife murdering than we care to see. It is evident in all cultures, isn't it? So why single out one or two? Oh! they're the ones you like to diss on Wesley, carry on then, we expect it.

But it's not as prevalent in some cultures as it is in others IS IT PANSI?

If there's 3% doing 46% of the reported domestic assaults, that group has obviously got issues DON'T THEY PANSI?

Women have little rights in Muslim countries.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

Women have little rights in Muslim countries.

Yeah! it was like that here before we became a little more civilized. All countries and cultures develop at their own pace. We can't all be like America and Israel.........shivers at the prospect.

Why can't the west mind their own business, the women will take charge of themselves when the time's right. The Muslim women will get their rights eventually, just like we got ours here.

... wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:41pm: <<YAAAAWN Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.>> ............................................................... Aboriginals, Muslims and white Australians all do more wife murdering than we care to see. It is evident in all cultures, isn't it? So why single out one or two? Oh! they're the ones you like to diss on Wesley, carry on then, we expect it. But it's not as prevalent in some cultures as it is in others IS IT PANSI? If there's 3% doing 46% of the reported domestic assaults, that group has obviously got issues DON'T THEY PANSI?

That's right, we invaded their country and they can't handle it. Some cultures still eat each other.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:45pm: Women have little rights in Muslim countries. Yeah! it was like that here before we became a little more civilized. All countries and cultures develop at their own pace. We can't all be like America and Israel.........shivers at the prospect. Why can't the west mind their own business, the women will take charge of themselves when the time's right. The Muslim women will get their rights eventually, just like we got ours here.

I see Pansi is still the idiot.

Did you have acid thrown over your face Pansi? Of course not, you were just born dog ugly.

Were you stoned for committing adultery?  Of course not, no self respecting male would want to bonk you.

Were you forced to marry someone 30 years older than you? Of course not, the poor groom was probably kidnapped and forced to marry you.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lo6uRwwnFH0

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201625/Cheating-wife-face-honour-killing-acid-poured-lovers-throat.html

http://barenakedislam.com/2011/12/17/acid-attacks-on-muslim-women-continue-as-pakistan-finally-passes-a-law-that-would-actually-punish-the-men-who-do-this/

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

... wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:41pm: <<YAAAAWN Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.>> ............................................................... Aboriginals, Muslims and white Australians all do more wife murdering than we care to see. It is evident in all cultures, isn't it? So why single out one or two? Oh! they're the ones you like to diss on Wesley, carry on then, we expect it. But it's not as prevalent in some cultures as it is in others IS IT PANSI? If there's 3% doing 46% of the reported domestic assaults, that group has obviously got issues DON'T THEY PANSI? That's right, we invaded their country and they can't handle it. Some cultures still eat each other.

Tell me dopey when did we invade Iran, Pakistan, Somalia, Sudan?

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:45pm: Women have little rights in Muslim countries. Yeah! it was like that here before we became a little more civilized. All countries and cultures develop at their own pace. We can't all be like America and Israel.........shivers at the prospect. Why can't the west mind their own business, the women will take charge of themselves when the time's right. The Muslim women will get their rights eventually, just like we got ours here.

I'd love "the west' to mind it's own business.  Unfortunately, the left decided to let every Njongkwe, Abdul and Mohammed invade us instead of invading other countries.  (which was traditionally the democrat/leftie position.  Conservatives just wanted to mind their own business.  Look it up.)

You'll be waiting a loooooong time for those mussie women to get their rights though.  Islam/middle eastern cultures aren't half as female-friendly as us decadent westerners.  But I'm sure you'll overlook that.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:55pm:

... wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:41pm: <<YAAAAWN Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.>> ............................................................... Aboriginals, Muslims and white Australians all do more wife murdering than we care to see. It is evident in all cultures, isn't it? So why single out one or two? Oh! they're the ones you like to diss on Wesley, carry on then, we expect it. But it's not as prevalent in some cultures as it is in others IS IT PANSI? If there's 3% doing 46% of the reported domestic assaults, that group has obviously got issues DON'T THEY PANSI? That's right, we invaded their country and they can't handle it. Some cultures still eat each other.

Ah, but they eat each other not because we invaded them. Au contraire, - we invade them because they eat each other. But do they learn?
Some do, some don't

Even you can see the difference.

Even you can see the difference.


Betcha she can't.

Its so much fun bashing people of different races from behind the safety of a computer screen.
White supremacists are cowards and liars and this thread proves this to be true.

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

The Muslim women will get their rights eventually, just like we got ours here.

The bearded monsters have turned you into a cowardly old biddy - or were you always such fair-weather sista?

I was savagely disfigured by my deranged boyfriend: Acid attack victim bravely shows her face

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/10/19/article-1221077-06DF030A000005DC-899_233x423.jpg

With painful honesty, Katie Piper,  the former TV presenter  tells why she has finally waived her right to anonymity – and reveals the awful events  that changed her life for ever

However much she would like to forget them, the details of how she lost her dreams, her identity and very nearly her life will stay with Katie Piper for ever.

They are burned into both her memory and her face. Katie, 26, has remained fearful and anonymous in the 18 months since the man she met on the internet attempted to destroy her, so few will recognise her name.

But the facts of the case – the rape, the vengeful boyfriend Daniel Lynch, the cup of industrial-strength sulphuric acid – are all too familiar, a cause of anger and revulsion when they were revealed in court earlier this year.

It was an added cruelty that Katie’s world had revolved around her beauty. She modelled for catalogues and magazines, presented television programmes and had dreamed of a full-time career in the media.

But on March 31, 2008, the old Katie Piper disappeared for ever. The acid, hurled into her face on a busy London street, disfigured her beyond recognition. Some slipped down her throat with further terrible consequences.

‘I could hear someone screaming and screaming and kept wishing they’d be quiet. Then I realised it was me,’ she recalls.

‘I was standing in the street with people walking past me and I could feel my face evaporating. I thought I was on fire as the acid ate at my skin.

‘In one of Danny’s calls he’d told me he’d got a present for me that would change my life for ever. I knew instantly that he was behind it.’

Afterwards, able to communicate only in writing, she gave her parents a note that said: ‘Kill me.’ Yet today, Katie is no longer in despair.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1221077/Katie-Piper-Acid-attack-victim-bravely-shows-face-disfigured-boyfriend-Daniel-Lynch.html

adelcrow wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

Its so much fun bashing people of different races from behind the safety of a computer screen. White supremacists are cowards and liars and this thread proves this to be true.

Not being a cannibal is supremacist only if you still have Che on the brain in your twilight years.

falah wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

I was savagely disfigured by my deranged boyfriend: Acid attack victim bravely shows her face

The boyfriend:

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/5/1/1241201735090/Daniel-Lynch-004.jpg


Does he look like you expect Falah?
  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

These Christian crazies, when will they stop oppressing women?

Woman Horribly Disfigured By Married Ex-Boyfriend’s Acid Attack Faces Him In Court : Patricia Lefranc

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/21/article-0-12229B24000005DC-493_468x498.jpg
Richard Remes is on trial for allegedly spraying his ex-lover's face with acid


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/03/12/article-0-12222FDE000005DC-320_634x492.jpg
Patricia Lefranc (right) pictured arriving at a Brussels court with lawyer Daniel Spreutels (left) for Richard Remes's trial

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118330/Patricia-Lefranc-case-Jurors-shown-naked-photo-acid-attack-woman.html

Jurors were today handed a ‘shocking’ naked photograph of a woman deformed by acid sprayed by her married lover and told: ‘Imagine it was you.’

Lawyer Sven Mary said it was important for those judging the attacker at the Brussels Assizes to know exactly what he had done to Patricia Lefranc, 48.

She underwent 86 operations after Richard Remes, 57 -  who is on trial for attempted murder - sprayed the potentially lethal substance on her face and torso.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2118330/Patricia-Lefranc-case-Jurors-shown-naked-photo-acid-attack-woman.html

Soren wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 6:08pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:55pm: ... wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:44pm: Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 5:41pm: <<YAAAAWN Funny that you "can't see" when you're blinded by hatred for whitey.>> ............................................................... Aboriginals, Muslims and white Australians all do more wife murdering than we care to see. It is evident in all cultures, isn't it? So why single out one or two? Oh! they're the ones you like to diss on Wesley, carry on then, we expect it. But it's not as prevalent in some cultures as it is in others IS IT PANSI? If there's 3% doing 46% of the reported domestic assaults, that group has obviously got issues DON'T THEY PANSI? That's right, we invaded their country and they can't handle it. Some cultures still eat each other. Ah, but they eat each other not because we invaded them. Au contraire, - we invade them because they eat each other. But do they learn? Some do, some don't Even you can see the difference.

No Soren, I was not saying that Aboriginals are cannibals. I said some cultures still practice cannibalism, but Australian Indigenous people are not one of them.

Funny how I always feel dirty when I communicate with you. I'll have to stop it.

blackadder/longweekend=two idiots in one stupid body

These crazy non-Muslims are oppressing women all over the world:

Acid attack victim returns to school with mixed feelings

http://static.edvantage.com.sg/site/servlet/linkableblob/edvantage/376122/topImage/Acid_attack_victim_returns_to_school_with_mixed_feelings-topImage.jpg

http://www.edvantage.com.sg/edvantage/news/news/376122/Acid_attack_victim_returns_to_school_with_mixed_feelings.html

It was like the first day of school all over again for Tan Hui Linn, the victim of an acid attack.

The 18-year-old arrived at SMK Convent Datuk Keramat at 7am yesterday, after almost six months of being away.

She had missed out on taking the SPM last year because of the attack.

On Oct 24, her father had allegedly splashed acid on her and her mother, Chong Swee Lin, 50, at their Jalan Tan Sri Teh Ewe Lim home.

Chong died 10 hours later while Hui Linn sustained 60% burns on her face and upper torso and had to go through several operations to regain her sight.

http://www.edvantage.com.sg/edvantage/news/news/376122/Acid_attack_victim_returns_to_school_with_mixed_feelings.html



Scarred for life - Woman talks about ex-boyfriend's acid attack

http://www.zoutnet.co.za/photo/1/955/04_08_06_acid.jpg

A woman who narrowly escaped death after an acid attack, said she is living in fear of her life after an ex-boyfriend threatened to kill her.

Ms Tshiisaphungo Mudzielwana (31) of Sokotenda, Sibasa (South Africa) said she opened a case of attempted murder against the man in November last year, and he is making her life a living hell and now she lives in fear. “I was in love with him, but due to several differences, I decided not to continue with the relationship, because he was always accusing me of having affairs with other men. He also threatened to kill me and to serve the sentence if I die,” said Mudzielwana.

She said that the jealous lover did not want her to work, because he felt that, once she ventured from her home, she would be propositioned by other men. After she had refused him, he allegedly took acid and threw it into her face.

“He found me while I was at my friend’s work place. Afterwards, I wanted to join my friends for tea and he demanded that I had to go out with him. I declined because I was afraid that he would stab me with a knife, as he had threatened to do so,” she said. After I had left my friend’s workplace, he took out a small tin and poured acid over me and said that no one would ever love me again.”

After the acid attack, she reported the matter to an organization working for the protection of abused women, but they could not help her. “Yes he was arrested, but he was granted bail and always when he passed me on the street, he kept on saying that he wanted to finish what he had started,” she said in tears

Last week, a protection order was issued against the suspect.

“Now, because I am afraid of him, I have even asked two boys to stay with me so that they can help me if necessary and to get through the long evenings,” she said.

She said that, previously, he used to beat her and lock her inside her room for a week.

Thohoyandou Police’s Communication Officer, Insp Nkanukeni Raedane, said an attempted murder case had been opened and the accused was going to be tried soon.

http://www.zoutnet.co.za/details/04-08-2006/scarred_for_life__woman_talks_about_exboyfriends_acid_attack/4488

... wrote on Apr 19^th, 2012 at 6:26pm:

falah wrote on Apr 19th, 2012 at 6:17pm: I was savagely disfigured by my deranged boyfriend: Acid attack victim bravely shows her face The boyfriend: http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2009/5/1/1241201735090/Daniel-Lynch-004.jpg Does he look like you expect Falah?   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Jailed for life: Ex-boyfriend Daniel Lynch


Sounds like a Christian name though doesn't it?

http://www.worldwidefeatures.com/pictures/small/438/5132615110GRS%20HAMMETT%2033.jpg

Beverley Hammett, 26, was 19 years old when she was the victim of a nitric acid attack at Susan Humphrey's house, where she was babysitting. The attack was actually meant for Susan, and had been planned by her ex-husband, Peter Humphrey. Beverley has had 15 operations and works in childcare in Devon.

One summer's night, I was coming to the end of an evening's babysitting for the children of a woman named Susan Humphrey. I heard the garden gate, but didn't hear anyone let themselves in at the front door. It struck me as strange, but I thought perhaps Susan had forgotten her keys and didn't want to risk waking the children by knocking on the door. I went to the door and opened it a crack to look out and see who it was. I felt slightly daft for being so cautious, but then the door flew open. There was the sound of breaking glass and then the acid hit me in the face. Apparently, I screamed, but I don't remember that. I fell to the floor and had no idea what was going on. I thought the intruder was a burglar, and he would just step over me to take the video, but he left...

...Peter Humphrey, Susan's ex-husband, was charged with ordering an acid attack against her. I just can't understand how someone could do something like that, but she must have somehow known what he was capable of. Humphrey was found guilty of aiding and abetting, counselling or procuring someone unknown to cause grievious bodily harm to me with intent to cause GBH to Mrs Humphrey. When he was sentenced to 12 years, I felt justice had been done, but the attacker has never been caught...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theobserver/2003/aug/03/features.magazine97

Another Christian crazy:

Los Angeles Police Looking for Man Behind Acid Attack

Police are seeking a man they say tortured, raped and poured battery acid on the face of his girlfriend during a Halloween attack in South Los Angeles.

Police said Wednesday that 30-year-old Miguel Herrera got into a heated argument after the woman showed up late at his apartment.

Police say he punched the woman, cut her with a knife, whipped her with an electrical cord, poured acid on her face and raped her before allowing her to leave.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2009/11/11/los-angeles-police-looking-man-acid-attack/

In the Muslim world -

+ Women must walk behind the husband
+ Women are married by their parents to their suitors
+ Women can often not be allowed to go to university or take jobs reserved for men
+ Women have much less voting rights than men


The Muslim world is one of the most sexist places in the world and women suffer terribly with lack of rights in the Arab world.

The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to.

People are capable of some despicable acts.


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Jailed for life: Ex-boyfriend Daniel Lynch Sounds like a Christian name though doesn't it?

Do Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris  and Sagan sound like Christian names too? Do you think Rushdie is a Muslim name? What about Tariq Ali?

I know you're on the receiving end, but you're grasping at straws.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:12am:

The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to.

Oh?  It doesn't "seem" that way eh? 


Quote:

The video's spread has forced South Africa to confront its staggering incidence of rape. More than 56,000 cases were reported to police last year. But the crime is often under-reported, like the case of the 17-year-old. A 2009 study by the government's Medical Research Council revealed that only one in 25 rapes were reported to the police. The same survey found more than one quarter of South African men admitted to raping a woman or girl.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/gang-rape-video-goes-viral-shocking-south-africa-181759729.html


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New figures paint an alarming picture of Aboriginal domestic violence, with indigenous offenders responsible for 46 per cent of all reported domestic assaults in WA this year. The figures, compiled by WA Police, also show that indigenous offenders were responsible for 175, or 16 per cent, of the 1078 sexual assaults committed between January and August this year. Of 162 sexual assaults committed by children aged 10 to 17 over the same period, 34 per cent were committed by Aboriginal youths. Aboriginal people make up less than 3 per cent of WA's population.

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/breaking/10400767/shocking-toll-of-violence-in-the-home/

I was quite obviously talking about the cases of spousal abuse and domestic violence referred to in this thread.

Men are overwhelmingly the abusers in cases of spousal and sexual violence in any culture. Surely you're not arguing against that?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:38am:

I was quite obviously talking about the cases of spousal abuse and domestic violence referred to in this thread. Men are overwhelmingly the abusers in cases of spousal and sexual violence in any culture. Surely you're not arguing against that?

10 years or so ago, I would have agreed.  But that was before the radical femos had "elastcised" the defintion of abuse to inlcude anything right down to raising your voice, or not giving money to a women for her to get her hair and nails done.  Unfortunately for the femos, these broad defintions catch a fair few women too.


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About two in five of all victims of domestic violence are men, contradicting the widespread impression that it is almost always women who are left battered and bruised, a new report claims. Men assaulted by their partners are often ignored by police, see their attacker go free and have far fewer refuges to flee to than women, says a study by the men's rights campaign group Parity.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2010/sep/05/men-victims-domestic-violence

But they should probably just "man up" eh?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:12am:

The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to.

unfortunately Annie, I have to agree with you.

Most physical violence comes from men.
it's awful being a man and having to say that, but that is the facts of it.

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But they should probably just "man up" eh?

No. If men feel they are in danger from their partners, of course they should seek and receive help.


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.  But that was before the radical femos had "elastcised" the defintion of abuse to inlcude anything right down to raising your voice, or not giving money to a women for her to get her hair and nails done.  .

Common sense would suggest that neither of these things are abusive. They're certainly not against the law, are they? It's up to each individual in a relationship to decided what they think is acceptable behaviour from their partner when no laws have been broken (and in some cases, even when they have).

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:50am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:12am: The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to. unfortunately Annie, I have to agree with you. Most physical violence comes from men. it's awful being a man and having to say that, but that is the facts of it.

I don't mean to suggest that all men are violent, by any means. Just that, like you say, most acts of physical violence are instigated and carried out by men.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:52am:

Quote: But they should probably just "man up" eh? No. If men feel they are in danger from their partners, of course they should seek and receive help.

But where would they get such help?  refuges do not even allow men to enter their doors. 



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.  But that was before the radical femos had "elastcised" the defintion of abuse to inlcude anything right down to raising your voice, or not giving money to a women for her to get her hair and nails done.  .

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Common sense would suggest that neither of these things are abusive. They're certainly not against the law, are they? It's up to the each individual in a relationship to decided what they think is acceptable behaviour from their partner when no laws have been broken (and in some cases, even when they have).

Common sense would indeed.  But common sense is in short supply within the radical feminist movement.  Remember that these are the stats your "facts" about female O-pression are based on.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:50am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:12am: The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to. unfortunately Annie, I have to agree with you. Most physical violence comes from men. it's awful being a man and having to say that, but that is the facts of it. I don't mean to suggest that all men are violent, by any means. Just that, like you say, most acts of physical violence are instigated and carried out by men.

Of course Physical violence is more the domain of men.  The physical has always been the males main source of a mans power, closely linked with status, while the females comes from her pussy. 
Look at the pattterns in nature - males fight each other, with the female sitting back watching proceedings, ready to spread her legs to the victor.  Rape is not very common at all under that dynamic.  But remove the approved outlets for male physicality, as has been progressively implemented, and who knows where, how and against whom it will be released.  But one thing is for sure - it WILL be released somehow.  As I've said many times before, what's bad for men, is bad for everyone, and vice versa. 

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:54am:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:50am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:12am: The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to. unfortunately Annie, I have to agree with you. Most physical violence comes from men. it's awful being a man and having to say that, but that is the facts of it. I don't mean to suggest that all men are violent, by any means. Just that, like you say, most acts of physical violence are instigated and carried out by men.

there is more violence from men against other men than from men against women.

More violence comes from men than from women.
and much more often women are abused by men than men by women.

So, it's just unfair against women.

... wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 10:57am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:52am: Quote: But they should probably just "man up" eh? No. If men feel they are in danger from their partners, of course they should seek and receive help. But where would they get such help?  refuges do not even allow men to enter their doors.  [quote].  But that was before the radical femos had "elastcised" the defintion of abuse to inlcude anything right down to raising your voice, or not giving money to a women for her to get her hair and nails done.  .

Quote:

Common sense would suggest that neither of these things are abusive. They're certainly not against the law, are they? It's up to the each individual in a relationship to decided what they think is acceptable behaviour from their partner when no laws have been broken (and in some cases, even when they have).

Common sense would indeed.  But common sense is in short supply within the radical feminist movement.  Remember that these are the stats your "facts" about female O-pression are based on.[/quote]


I'm not sure what your point is, Wesley. If you believe men are treated unfairly, why not get into some advocacy work and try to be the catalyst for some change?

Do you really expect women to do it for you?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:57am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:52am: Quote: But they should probably just "man up" eh? No. If men feel they are in danger from their partners, of course they should seek and receive help. But where would they get such help?  refuges do not even allow men to enter their doors.  [quote].  But that was before the radical femos had "elastcised" the defintion of abuse to inlcude anything right down to raising your voice, or not giving money to a women for her to get her hair and nails done.  . [quote] Common sense would suggest that neither of these things are abusive. They're certainly not against the law, are they? It's up to the each individual in a relationship to decided what they think is acceptable behaviour from their partner when no laws have been broken (and in some cases, even when they have).

Common sense would indeed.  But common sense is in short supply within the radical feminist movement.  Remember that these are the stats your "facts" about female O-pression are based on.[/quote]


I'm not sure what your point is, Wesley. If you believe men are treated unfairly, why not get into some advocacy work and try to be the catalyst for some change?

Do you really expect women to do it for you?[/quote]


I do a lot of good work that helps, and have done for 11 years, thank you very much.  "Advocacy" is the way of the woman.  Action is my way. 

... wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:02am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:54am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:50am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:12am: The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to. unfortunately Annie, I have to agree with you. Most physical violence comes from men. it's awful being a man and having to say that, but that is the facts of it. I don't mean to suggest that all men are violent, by any means. Just that, like you say, most acts of physical violence are instigated and carried out by men. Of course Physical violence is more the domain of men.  The physical has always been the males main source of a mans power, closely linked with status, while the females comes from her pussy.  Look at the pattterns in nature - males fight each other, with the female sitting back watching proceedings, ready to spread her legs to the victor.  Rape is not very common at all under that dynamic.  But remove the approved outlets for male physicality, as has been progressively implemented, and who knows where, how and against whom it will be released.  But one thing is for sure - it WILL be released somehow.  As I've said many times before, what's bad for men, is bad for everyone, and vice versa.

Are you suggesting that women are to blame for being raped or otherwise abused because they don't automatically submit sexually to dominant, aggressive males?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:12am:

The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to.

But in the Islamic world it is more accepted and rubber stamp than in the developed world.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:08am:

... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:02am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:54am: Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 10:50am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:12am: The common denominator? Men and their brutality. It doesn't seem to matter what religion or ethnic group they belong to. unfortunately Annie, I have to agree with you. Most physical violence comes from men. it's awful being a man and having to say that, but that is the facts of it. I don't mean to suggest that all men are violent, by any means. Just that, like you say, most acts of physical violence are instigated and carried out by men. Of course Physical violence is more the domain of men.  The physical has always been the males main source of a mans power, closely linked with status, while the females comes from her pussy.  Look at the pattterns in nature - males fight each other, with the female sitting back watching proceedings, ready to spread her legs to the victor.  Rape is not very common at all under that dynamic.  But remove the approved outlets for male physicality, as has been progressively implemented, and who knows where, how and against whom it will be released.  But one thing is for sure - it WILL be released somehow.  As I've said many times before, what's bad for men, is bad for everyone, and vice versa.  Are you suggesting that women are to blame for being raped or otherwise abused because they don't automatically submit sexually to dominant, aggressive males?

No, I am suggesting meddlesome twats who toy with the forces of nature with no understanding of them create bigger problems than those they claim to be trying to resolve.
feminising men and masculinising women = recipe for disaster. 

So there is no personal responsibility for rape?

Men rape because they're frustrated that they have no need to assert physical dominance over each other and over women, who consequently don't put out.

Brilliant.

Islamic culture and countries seek to assert the men influence over women.

But other cultures try to bring this into line and show women to be the equal.

There is the difference - one culture approves, other cultures try to stop it.

I am not a fan of Muslim culture on this point.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:09am:

But in the Islamic world it is more accepted and rubber stamp than in the developed world.

Death to Jewish women who date Arabs

200 people demonstrate in city center against 'Arabs who are taking our daughters'..


Some 200 people held a demonstration in central Bat Yam Monday evening against relationships between local Jewish women and Arab men.

One of the protestors called out, "Any Jewish woman who goes with an Arab should be killed; any Jew who sells his home to an Arab should be killed."

http://www.ynetnews.com/PicServer2/24012010/2933682/2_wa.jpg
We will not allow it.' Bat Yam rally

During the rally, held under the banner, "We Want a Jewish Bat-Yam", demonstrators also insulted the prophet Muhammad and made racist remarks against Arabs...

Police forces maintained order, but did not act when the demonstrators made racist remarks.

"We are not racist, we are just Jews. The Arabs are coming and taking our daughters. We will not allow it," one of the speakers said.

Moshe Ben-Zikri of Eilat said the "struggle" began three years ago in Givat Ze'ev. "There were 330 Arab families there, and the Jewish women would walk around with them freely. We vowed this would not happen again.

"Just like we triumphed there, we will triumph in Bat Yam as well. We are not afraid of the police, the media or the Arabs – we only fear God," he said. 

One of the event's organizers, Bentzi Gupstein told Ynet Sunday night, "So many Arabs are dating Jewish women, and the public is fed up with it.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4002085,00.html

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I am not a fan of Muslim culture on this point.

On what point are you a fan of Muslim culture?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:18am:

So there is no personal responsibility for rape? Men rape because they're frustrated that they have no need to assert physical dominance over each other and over women, who consequently don't put out. Brilliant.

I'll say it again - remove the approved outlets for male physicality (sports, playfighting etc) and who knows where that physicality will end up being directed?  Some, like myself, will find an outlet, (taking personal responsibility) but some will not, and it will end up either hurting them (male suicide is much higher than female) or hurting those around them. 

Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else?

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:23am:

Quote: I am not a fan of Muslim culture on this point. On what point are you a fan of Muslim culture?

What do you think of the way the arab world treats women?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Islamic culture and countries seek to assert the men influence over women. But other cultures try to bring this into line and show women to be the equal. There is the difference - one culture approves, other cultures try to stop it. I am not a fan of Muslim culture on this point.

This sign tells Jewish women not to walk on the same side of the street as men:

http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lwkqpobBcb1qgy0zgo1_500.jpg

"By the order of the town’s Rabbi, may he live long, Amen
Women are asked to cross to the sidewalk across the steet
<———-
and to not pass near the synagogues. And surely not stay for long on this sidewalk, which is used by people [men] coming into the synagogue."

http://cdn1.tabletmag.com/wp-content/files_mf/menbig.jpg


http://images.alarabiya.net/zew_13320_2590.jpg

For the most part, it's a disgrace.


But it's not just the Islamic Arab world that has a shocking track record regarding women's rights, is it? There are plenty places in non-Islamic Asia and Africa where women are treated like crap too.

Israel too, going by what Falah just posted.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:24am:

Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else?

Opinions are not worth much in my opinion - unless they come from recognised experts in their field.

Just about everybody here is a layman -although some claim to have military experience.

My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything. Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion.

Oh my goodness. I hope that wasn't a sense of humour.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:30am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion. Oh my goodness. I hope that wasn't a sense of humour.

It was. But I changed my mind, and amended the post to try and educate you a bit.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion - unless they come from recognised experts in their field. Just about everybody here is a layman -although some claim to have military experience. My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything. Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence.

I thought you had a degree in arabic? 

Ohhh no the story is unravelliiiiiiiiing....

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:32am: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:30am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion. Oh my goodness. I hope that wasn't a sense of humour. It was. But I changed my mind, and amended the post to try and educate you a bit.

I'm going to ignore the patronising attitude just this once.

You should let your humanity shine through more often - it's definitely a win over the frantic shovelling of news stories.

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:29am:

For the most part, it's a disgrace. But it's not just the Islamic Arab world that has a shocking track record regarding women's rights, is it? There are plenty places in non-Islamic Asia and Africa where women are treated like crap too. Israel too, going by what Falah just posted.

In Israel annie, there were 4 girls in my army unit.
They were treat the same as the men and i must say better shot at the target than me!

In Arab world - they are not allowed in army, not allowed to study same as men, is told what to wear but men can wear what they like, must walk behind husband, marry off to men they do not know (sometimes aged 8 year old).

It is very very different.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:30am:

Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion - unless they come from recognised experts in their field. Just about everybody here is a layman -although some claim to have military experience. My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything. Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence.

Your BA ought to have given you skills in critical thinking. I mean, news articles written by journalists as a credible source? Surely your lecturers and tutors taught you to critically analyze texts rather than just posting rubbish that supports your already held viewpoint?

Usually when asks to justify your points of view you disappear. It appears you learnt little at uni.

I rarely talk about my qualifications online as I don't believe it adds to the debate in any way, but mine top yours.

... wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 11:36am:

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:30am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion - unless they come from recognised experts in their field. Just about everybody here is a layman -although some claim to have military experience. My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything. Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence. I thought you had a degree in arabic?  Ohhh no the story is unravelliiiiiiiiing....

You obviously do not have much knowledge of university degrees.

I have major in Arabic and a major in history. My honours thesis was history-based.

If you knew anything about university degrees, you would know that an undergraduate degree can be comprised of more than one major.

This degree in Arabic will explain your bias.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 3:16pm:

This degree in Arabic will explain your bias.

What explains yours?

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 3:14pm:

... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:36am: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:30am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion - unless they come from recognised experts in their field. Just about everybody here is a layman -although some claim to have military experience. My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything. Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence. I thought you had a degree in arabic?  Ohhh no the story is unravelliiiiiiiiing.... You obviously do not have much knowledge of university degrees. I have major in Arabic and a major in history. My honours thesis was history-based. If you knew anything about university degrees, you would know that an undergraduate degree can be comprised of more than one major.

You obviously do not have much knowledge of university degrees.

If you knew anything about university degrees, you would know that a major is not a degree.


falah wrote on Mar 15^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 14th, 2012 at 2:33pm: Do you expect us to believe Pickthal-Yusef Ali-Shakir-Muhsin Khan -etc all got the translation wrong with every verse and you with Arabic as a second language are the only one to get it right? Do you realise that all the translators that you mention also have Arabic as a second language? Those translators are Anglish, Afghani and Indians. Do you think that somehow because I am Australian, I could not learn Arabic as well or better than them? Sad to see that you have such a poor opinion of Australians. I have a university degree in Arabic, they do not. I am an English native-speaker, only Pickthall can lay also lay claim to that. Of all the tranlsaters you mentioned, non have Arabic as their first language, none have university degrees in Arabic. Only Pickthall has English as his first language. Therefore, I am just as qualified, if not more so, than any of the translators you mentioned.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?action=post;num=1331686670;virboard=;quote=9;title=PostReply

... wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 3:21pm:

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 3:14pm: ... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:36am: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:30am: Annie Anthrax wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 11:24am: Falah, your copying and pasting is beyond irritating. Can't you just post a normal opinion like everyone else? Opinions are not worth much in my opinion - unless they come from recognised experts in their field. Just about everybody here is a layman -although some claim to have military experience. My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything. Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence. I thought you had a degree in arabic?  Ohhh no the story is unravelliiiiiiiiing.... You obviously do not have much knowledge of university degrees. I have major in Arabic and a major in history. My honours thesis was history-based. If you knew anything about university degrees, you would know that an undergraduate degree can be comprised of more than one major. You obviously do not have much knowledge of university degrees. If you knew anything about university degrees, you would know that a major is not a degree.

A major is part of the degree.

I actually started my degree as double degree (Arabic & Business) I dropped the business degree in my second year continuing with the Arabic and took up history with the Arabic.

I enjoyed doing the history major so much that at the end I decided to do honours in history.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 5:32pm:

I enjoyed doing the history major so much that at the end I decided to do honours in history.

What was your thesis on?

Arabic and business.

Well they're just a natural fit aren't they.  2 peas in a pod.

... wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 6:14pm:

Arabic and business. Well they're just a natural fit aren't they.  2 peas in a pod.

Australian trade to Arab speaking countries in 2008 = $15 billion (3.3% of Australia's international trade)

http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/stats-pubs/Trade-Africa-Middle-East.pdf  (p.18)

My qualifications are BA (hons) in history. But I don't expect you to take that as evidence for anything.
 


Ah the lowly BA...........My dog has a BA (hons) in arse sniffing.

Most of the stuff written on this forum is worthless unless backed up by evidence.

Here is a hint Galah, if you don't like it piss off.

falah wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 7:04pm:

... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:14pm: Arabic and business. Well they're just a natural fit aren't they.  2 peas in a pod. Australian trade to Arab speaking countries in 2008 = $15 billion (3.3% of Australia's international trade) http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/stats-pubs/Trade-Africa-Middle-East.pdf  (p.18)

Arab business

1. Dig oil
2. Sell oil

End.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:07pm:

falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:04pm: ... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:14pm: Arabic and business. Well they're just a natural fit aren't they.  2 peas in a pod. Australian trade to Arab speaking countries in 2008 = $15 billion (3.3% of Australia's international trade) http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/stats-pubs/Trade-Africa-Middle-East.pdf  (p.18) Arab business 1. Dig oil 2. Sell oil End.

You missed one

3. Shoot JIsraeli's

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:07pm: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:04pm: ... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:14pm: Arabic and business. Well they're just a natural fit aren't they.  2 peas in a pod. Australian trade to Arab speaking countries in 2008 = $15 billion (3.3% of Australia's international trade) http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/stats-pubs/Trade-Africa-Middle-East.pdf  (p.18) Arab business 1. Dig oil 2. Sell oil End. You missed one 3. Shoot JIsraeli's

3. Strap bomb to themselves and board bus with school children.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:13pm:

Johnsmith wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:09pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 8:07pm: falah wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 7:04pm: ... wrote on Apr 20th, 2012 at 6:14pm: Arabic and business. Well they're just a natural fit aren't they.  2 peas in a pod. Australian trade to Arab speaking countries in 2008 = $15 billion (3.3% of Australia's international trade) http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/stats-pubs/Trade-Africa-Middle-East.pdf  (p.18) Arab business 1. Dig oil 2. Sell oil End. You missed one 3. Shoot JIsraeli's 3. Strap bomb to themselves and board bus with school children.

Israeli business:

1. Suck $3 billion a year from US in "aid"
2. Steal land from palestinians
3. Oppress palestinians
4. Make fake Australian passports

Fake Australian passports?

Avram Horowitz wrote on Apr 20^th, 2012 at 8:29pm:

Fake Australian passports?

Don't be cute. We know why Israeli's come here.

Australian and New Zealand passports are like gold to you people.

Come over set up a travel agency, counterfeit some passports.

Mossad 'factory' churned out fake Australian passports

February 26, 2010

A former Mossad officer has alleged the Israeli spy agency has its own "passport factory" to create or doctor passports for use in intelligence operations.

Relations between Australia and Israel are under strain after three Australian passports were apparently used by suspects in the killing of top Hamas leader Mahmoud Al Mabhouh in Dubai last month.

Dubai police say they are 99 per cent sure Mossad was behind the operation to smother Mabhouh with a pillow in his hotel room.

Victor Ostrovsky, a case officer at Mossad for several years in the 1980s, says he has no doubt Australian passports have been forged or fraudulently used for similar operations in the past.

"They need passports because you can't go around with an Israeli passport, not even a forged one, and get away or get involved with people from the Arab world," he said.

"They'll shy away right away. So most of these [Mossad] operations are carried out on what's called false flag, which means you pretend to be of another country which is less belligerent to those countries that you're trying to recruit from.

"If they can obtain blank passports, which they have in the past from Canada, from England, they do. If not, they just manufacture them."

He says a company within Mossad headquarters is dedicated to forging passports.

"They create various types of papers, every kind of ink. It's a very, very expensive research department," he said.

He says the manufactured passports are almost identical to the originals.

"If they create a passport at a top level for use of that nature ... I don't think anybody will be able to find the difference," he said.

Mr Ostrovsky says fraudulent Australian passports have been used regularly.

"Consider the fact that Australians speak English and it's an easy cover to take, very few people know very much about Australia," he said.

"You can tell whatever stories you want. It doesn't take much of an accent to be an Australian or New Zealander, or an Englishman for that matter. And I know people had been under Australian cover not once [but] quite a few times. So why not use it?"

He says Mossad chooses which passports to forge based on the cover agents need and the operation they are involved in.

"At the time there were people that were asked ... 'If when you're here in Israel we may need for security purposes to use your passport, would you allow us to do that?'" he said.

"And people would say 'yes'. There were shelves upon shelves of real passports just waiting to be used."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-02-26/mossad-factory-churned-out-fake-australian/343612


'Mossad spies' jailed over New Zealand passport fraud

Friday 16 July 2004

The prime minister of New Zealand angrily denounced Israel and imposed diplomatic sanctions on it after two suspected Mossad agents were jailed for six months for trying on false grounds to obtain a New Zealand passport.

The plot, which involved obtaining a passport in the name of a tetraplegic man who had not spoken in years, provoked a furious reaction yesterday.

"The breach of New Zealand laws and sovereignty by agents of the Israeli government has seriously strained our relationship with Israel," said the prime minister, Helen Clark.

"This type of behaviour is unacceptable internationally by any country. It is a sorry indictment of Israel that it has again taken such actions against a country with which it has friendly relations."

High-level visits between the two countries will be cancelled, visa restrictions imposed for Israeli officials, and an expected visit to New Zealand by Moshe Katsov, the Israeli president, later this year has been cancelled.

Ms Clark said Israel had ignored requests made three months ago for an explanation and an apology.

The action marks the most serious rupture in New Zealand's international relations since Wellington suspended diplomatic relations with France in 1985 after French agents bombed Greenpeace's anti-nuclear ship Rainbow Warrior in Auckland harbour.

The Mossad plot was uncovered in March when a passport officer noticed that a passport applicant was speaking with a Canadian or American accent.

The clue led to the uncovering of a complex conspiracy involving up to four Israeli agents, who had attempted to create a false identity for 36-year-old Zev Barkan, another suspected Israeli spy, using a fraudulent birth certificate, a fake voicemail message and letter box, and concocted medical symptoms.

Uriel Kelman, 30, and Eli Cara, 50, were each sentenced to six months in prison yesterday for their involvement in the plot. Both men had gone to elaborate steps to conceal their identities: Kelman appeared at the court wearing a balaclava and covered his face throughout the two-hour hearing, while Cara had changed his hair colour, complexion and build since his first court appearance in March.

Mr Barkan and a fourth man believed to have been connected to the plot are still on the run. Mr Barkan lived in a house just a few hundred metres from his target, a wheel-chair user who has not been named for legal reasons. Cara set up a false travel agency in Sydney to aid the deception.

A birth certificate was obtained using details of the man's mother, who now lives in England, and an Auckland doctor was persuaded to witness Mr Barkan's passport application after seeing him for a couple of minor ailments.

Kelman and Cara were arrested in March following a prolonged cat-and-mouse game in Auckland when police traced phone records between Mr Barkan and the two men.

Officers planned to arrest the ringleaders as they picked up the completed passport, but Cara had pre-empted this by having it sent by courier to an apartment block, where it was to be collected by a taxi driver and taken to a rendezvous with Kelman elsewhere in Auckland.

Police surveillance caught Cara acting suspiciously, close to the central Auckland apartment block, while Kelman was arrested after fleeing the other rendezvous and throwing his mobile phone into a hedge.

Israel's acting ambassador in Australia, Orma Sagiv, said Israel would work to rebuild relations with New Zealand.

"Israel values its relations with New Zealand very much and we will do everything we can to return relations to their former situation," she said.

In Jerusalem, Silvan Shalom, the Israeli foreign minister, said Israel was disappointed with New Zealand's reaction.

"Israel is very sorry about the decision that was taken by the [New Zealand] government," Mr Shalom said. "But we believe that if we will work one with each other as we used to work in the past, we will overcome the last difficulty."

Mossad has frequently been accused of using fake passports to launch its operations. A 1997 incident in which Mossad agents used fake Canadian passports in an attempt to assassinate the Hamas leader, Sheikh Khaled Mashal, caused the Israeli ambassador to be ordered out of Canada until Tel Aviv promised to cease the practice.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/jul/16/israel



How valuable are NZ passports?

Wed, 20 Jul 2011

The story that surfaced today in The Southland Times of the Israeli intelligence service having spies in New Zealand, one with a suspected five passports in his possession, has raised an interesting point: how valuable are New Zealand passports?

3 News political reporter Rebecca Wright spoke to former recruiting officer for the Israeli Mossad (foreign intelligence service) Victor Ostrovsky about the alleged spies and the worth of our passports.

Mr Ostrovsky, speaking from Scottsville, Arizona in the United States, says New Zealand passports are “like gold” for “bone-diggers”, the colloquial name for people who steal identities to create passports.

“Very few people know anything about New Zealand. If you’re going to ask the average European, the average Middle Eastern or the average American about New Zealand, they’re really not going to know anything.

“This means when you carry that passport, you can say anything you want about anything and you have a perfect cover.”

Mr Ostrovsky was also firm is his message about young Israelis carrying multiple passports.

“No Israeli 20 something year old is going to walk around New Zealand with more than one passport, if he does, then there’s a problem. If he has two, he may be in trouble or involved with something criminal. If he has more than two, you are looking at a security problem, there’s no question about that.”

http://www.3news.co.nz/How-valuable-are-NZ-passports---full-interview/tabid/419/articleID/219471/Default.aspx