I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood.

The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum.

Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu?

No, it isn't. We occasionally talk about the inner divine, the spark of life or whatever you want to call it. Go for it.

52midnight wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood. The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum. Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu?

I am not going to argue with such a closed mind.   [....though i must admit, i was initially tempted]



I'm reading the book of Isaiah at the moment.

Which is much more rewarding than refuting ignorance and error.

52midnight wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood. The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum. Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu?

Silly. Completely non-philosophical, too. And ignorant. 
So it's perfect for the forum.

Isnt there already an 18 page thread on this?

SOB

Yadda wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:26pm:

I am not going to argue with such a closed mind.   [....though i must admit, i was initially tempted] I'm reading the book of Isaiah at the moment. Which is much more rewarding than refuting ignorance and error.

The concept of immanence is hardly foreign to Christianity, although the emphasis is different.  What does "Immanuel" imply?


Yadda wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 11:09pm:

[I have to [try to] go with my heart.]

Yadda - open your heart.

See: Acts 22:16

The Abrahamic religions have dwelled into the inner life. I would surmise even more so than the Greeks. The Greeks, apart from Plato and Epicurus (and maybe a few more?), were more concerned with the nature of existence in a (external) metaphysical way. Whereas the Christians with their concern for the "salvation of the soul" directed thought inward to a much higher degree than the Greeks. The nature of the physical world seem to be of little concern for the Christians, palming it off to be nothing more than "God's creation," whereas the soul was to be examined and vivisected to the umpteenth degree. Whereas with Aristotle, Heraclitus, Democritus, they were (mostly) concerned with what made the physical world tick.

muso wrote on May 4^th, 2012 at 10:25am:

Yadda wrote on May 3rd, 2012 at 10:26pm: I am not going to argue with such a closed mind.   [....though i must admit, i was initially tempted] I'm reading the book of Isaiah at the moment. Which is much more rewarding than refuting ignorance and error. The concept of immanence is hardly foreign to Christianity, although the emphasis is different.  What does "Immanuel" imply? Yadda wrote on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:09pm: [I have to [try to] go with my heart.] Yadda - open your heart. See: Acts 22:16

It will take more than a ceremonial wash, to wash us clean of the evil of this world  muso.      :'(

We make a choice, here.

e.g.
The prodigal son, made a choice to join himself to the world.

But in the end, he saw the error of his way, and he made another choice.

And his father welcomed him back.








Matthew 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
2  And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
3  They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
4  But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
5  While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
6  And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
7  Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
8  And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
9  But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
10  And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
12  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.


Isaiah 59:14
And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter.
15  Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment.
16  And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him.


Leviticus 20:26
And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine.


Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

52midnight wrote on Apr 30^th, 2012 at 8:01pm:

I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood. The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum. Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu?

Nice try but as you can see the Abrahamites are still very young and immature leaving them incapable of understanding ideas and concepts that are not connected to the manic control freaks of their dogma. You will notice they also flood the Atheist page. It would seem they feel compelled to suppress anything that might cause considered reflection of concepts and ideas other than those they ordain.

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:45pm:

52midnight wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 8:01pm: I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood. The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum. Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu? Nice try but as you can see the Abrahamites are still very young and immature leaving them incapable of understanding ideas and concepts that are not connected to the manic control freaks of their dogma. You will notice they also flood the Atheist page. It would seem they feel compelled to suppress anything that might cause considered reflection of concepts and ideas other than those they ordain.

This is what happens when dogs walk on their hind legs... Cute but ultimately ridiculous and a cause for regrets.

Neither of you have evidently ever heard of Christian or Jewish or Muslim mysticism.

Back to your self-help books, hop, hop.

Yadda wrote on May 3^rd, 2012 at 10:26pm:

52midnight wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 8:01pm: I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood. The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum. Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu? I am not going to argue with such a closed mind.   [....though i must admit, i was initially tempted] I'm reading the book of Isaiah at the moment. Which is much more rewarding than refuting ignorance and error.

Good Gud, that's a first.

It looks like you've finally seen the Light.

Yadda wrote on May 6^th, 2012 at 2:19pm:

muso wrote on May 4th, 2012 at 10:25am: Yadda wrote on May 3rd, 2012 at 10:26pm: I am not going to argue with such a closed mind.   [....though i must admit, i was initially tempted] I'm reading the book of Isaiah at the moment. Which is much more rewarding than refuting ignorance and error. The concept of immanence is hardly foreign to Christianity, although the emphasis is different.  What does "Immanuel" imply? Yadda wrote on May 3rd, 2012 at 11:09pm: [I have to [try to] go with my heart.] Yadda - open your heart. See: Acts 22:16 It will take more than a ceremonial wash, to wash us clean of the evil of this world  muso.      :'( We make a choice, here. e.g. The prodigal son, made a choice to join himself to the world. But in the end, he saw the error of his way, and he made another choice. And his father welcomed him back. Matthew 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. 2  And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. 3  They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them: 4  But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. 5  While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept. 6  And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him. 7  Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. 8  And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. 9  But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. 10  And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut. 11  Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. 12  But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not. Isaiah 59:14 And judgment is turned away backward, and justice standeth afar off: for truth is fallen in the street, and equity cannot enter. 15  Yea, truth faileth; and he that departeth from evil maketh himself a prey: and the LORD saw it, and it displeased him that there was no judgment. 16  And he saw that there was no man, and wondered that there was no intercessor: therefore his arm brought salvation unto him; and his righteousness, it sustained him. Leviticus 20:26 And ye shall be holy unto me: for I the LORD am holy, and have severed you from other people, that ye should be mine. Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Oh, Yadda...

Only one such as these can enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:15pm:

nairbe wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 8:45pm: 52midnight wrote on Apr 30th, 2012 at 8:01pm: I'm new here, and accustomed to philosophy as a search for/love of truth in accord with the Greek etymology. I'm therefore disappointed to find the topics dominated by Abrahamic discussion. The Abrahamic religions have always been brutally opposed to the Inner Life (if I could use that term) and violently insistent upon servitude to a priesthood/rabbihood/mullahhood. The Inner Life reveals much that is nowhere mentioned in what I've seen of this subForum. Is this then a strictly Abrahamic milieu? Nice try but as you can see the Abrahamites are still very young and immature leaving them incapable of understanding ideas and concepts that are not connected to the manic control freaks of their dogma. You will notice they also flood the Atheist page. It would seem they feel compelled to suppress anything that might cause considered reflection of concepts and ideas other than those they ordain. This is what happens when dogs walk on their hind legs... Cute but ultimately ridiculous and a cause for regrets. Neither of you have evidently ever heard of Christian or Jewish or Muslim mysticism. Back to your self-help books, hop, hop.

Then start a Theology thread, better still start a fairy tales thread and we can all compare Alice in wonderland with the Bible. After all they were both written by people who were suffering hallucinations.

> Nice try but as you can see the Abrahamites are still very young and immature leaving them incapable of understanding ideas and concepts that are not connected to the manic control freaks of their dogma. You will notice they also flood the Atheist page. It would seem they feel compelled to suppress anything that might cause considered reflection of concepts and ideas other than those they ordain.

A perceptive series of comments. I've dropped back in for a quick look around, so please treat this as rather hasty. What I feel is most lacking in this thread (and perhaps the whole Forum) is a collection of Reference Documents upon which to base discussion. Without these, debate (and argument especially) inevitably goes 'round in circles.

As a start, could I suggest "The Messianic Legacy" by Michel Baigent et al (Google and Amazon will respond). It's the sequel to "The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail" and essential reading for those of Abrahamic persuasion with the courage to confront at least the elementary truths about their doctrines. Few are thus possessed, though certainly otherwise so.

Many refuse to believe that understanding has progressed during the last two thousand years. I still refer to the Bhagavad Gita and other Vedic texts for inspiration and insight, and these are many thousands of years older than the Book of Isaiah and other Yiddish texts; but I reinterpret these invaluable ancient documents so to accord with the needs and understandings of present circumstances. I would never insist that a literal interpretation of such venerable material should serve as unqualified as counsel for topical debate.

If there exists any desire for serious, ongoing discussion, an essential prerequisite would be a repository for Reference Material. It's quite liikely that this Forum has such a capability, and I'd be happy to cooperate in establishing it if there are others of similar mind.