Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis?

Are you Wahhabists?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists?

We're Muslims, we need no other title.

abu_rashid wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title.

Terrorists?

abu_rashid wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title.

Ah, sunni, shia, sufi, wahabi, salafi, druze, alawi, etc, etc- all the same, all Muslims, no difference.


Got it, ta.

abu_rashid wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:50pm:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title.

So you don't mind being called a Shite?

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:37pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. So you don't mind being called a Shite?

;D


Careful FD, Abu will delete your post, for insulting him/real moslems/real ISLAM.

I think Malik was a Shite. I once asked Abu about the Sunni vs Shite thing while Malik was still around. He accused me of trying to drive a wedge between him and Malik. Obviously this was given as a justification for not answering a simple question. I assumed at the time it was a bit like protestants and catholics playing good neighbours. I later found out that Abu and Falah believe that Shites should be stoned to death for apostasy. Abu also appears to believe that Shites and Sunnis never initiate violence against each other in the middle east - it is always the CIA or Mossad triggering it, and the local Muslims then follow suit and slaughter each other like well trained lemmings.

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

I think Malik was a Shite. I once asked Abu about the Sunni vs Shite thing while Malik was still around. He accused me of trying to drive a wedge between him and Malik. Obviously this was given as a justification for not answering a simple question. I assumed at the time it was a bit like protestants and catholics playing good neighbours. I later found out that Abu and Falah believe that Shites should be stoned to death for apostasy. Abu also appears to believe that Shites and Sunnis never initiate violence against each other in the middle east - it is always the CIA or Mossad triggering it, and the local Muslims then follow suit and slaughter each other like well trained lemmings.

Undoubtedly Mossad!!!                [.....i jest.        ;D    .....but yes, moslems must always have someone else to blame, for those terrible circumstances that befall moslems, from time to time.           because it cannot be caused by their own, moslem, worldview and their own actions.        <--- that thought is totally absurd!!! /sarc off ]

Meanwhile, somewhere in a parallel universe.......

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

I think Malik was a Shite.

Good to see you agreeing with Abu but you shouldn't be name calling.

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 10:37pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. So you don't mind being called a Shite?

Did I say shite? Or did I say Muslim?

Can you read? Or are you an imbecile in all matters?

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 9:54pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. Terrorists?

Go back to Czech Republic, AshkeNAZI.

abu_rashid wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 12:20am:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 10:37pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. So you don't mind being called a Shite? Did I say shite? Or did I say Muslim? Can you read? Or are you an imbecile in all matters?

Please explain it for me Abu. Are Salafists Muslims? Are Wahhabists? Are these some of the 4 schools of Sunni thought you talk about? And which one do you subscribe to? Or have you decided you are no longer allowed to acknowledge these things?

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

it is always the CIA or Mossad triggering it, and the local Muslims then follow suit and slaughter each other like well trained lemmings.

The Shi-ite sect was invented by a Yemeni Jew, Abdullah ibn Saba'.

He introduced a number of concepts that were adpoted by the people who became the Shi-ites such as the exaltation of Ali, and their belief in Ali's "divine appointment" by the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a successor, the concept of ghayba and return (rajʿa) were first formulated and expressed by Ibn Sabaʾ and his followers.

The Shi-ites took on many characteristics of Jews such as praying three times per day.

Falah, is there some kind of link between your explanation and the CIA/mossad thing, other than the dead Jew? I'm not sure what point you are trying to make.

falah wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 10:42am:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2012 at 6:12pm: it is always the CIA or Mossad triggering it, and the local Muslims then follow suit and slaughter each other like well trained lemmings. The Shi-ite sect was invented by a Yemeni Jew, Abdullah ibn Saba'. He introduced a number of concepts that were adpoted by the people who became the Shi-ites such as the exaltation of Ali, and their belief in Ali's "divine appointment" by the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a successor, the concept of ghayba and return (rajʿa) were first formulated and expressed by Ibn Sabaʾ and his followers. The Shi-ites took on many characteristics of Jews such as praying three times per day.

Falah where does it say in the Quran how many times a day you have to pray can you cite the verses?

freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 8:53am:

Are Salafists Muslims? Are Wahhabists? Are these some of the 4 schools of Sunni thought you talk about?

No they are not one of the 4 schools of jurisprudence, although most of them do ascribe themselves to the Hanbali school of jurisprudence. Salafis/Wahabis are more of a revivalist movement than they are a school of jurisprudence, not that the distinction would mean much to you. Your sole aim here is merely to find little tidbits which you (daftly) assume you can use to create rifts between Muslims. You're a dolt.


freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 8:53am:

And which one do you subscribe to?

Shafi', not that it's really relevant. All 4 of them are much the same, and only differ in miniscule issues of jurisprudence.


freediver wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 8:53am:

Or have you decided you are no longer allowed to acknowledge these things?

Whatever floats your boat..

Quote:

Your sole aim here is merely to find little tidbits which you (daftly) assume you can use to create rifts between Muslims

No Abu. You do that well enough yourself. It didn't take you long to scare Malik away. It's funny how people don't want to be your friend when you want them stoned to death.


Quote:

Shafi', not that it's really relevant.

I thought it was about time I found out.

Does this mean you are not a Salafi? Or a Wahhabi?

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

It didn't take you long to scare Malik away. It's funny how people don't want to be your friend when you want them stoned to death.

We're still waiting for the quote on that one. Don't feel pressured though, it's not like you have any credibility left to protect anyway.


freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

I thought it was about time I found out.

As I  said, there's not much relevance to it.


freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:34am:

Does this mean you are not a Salafi? Or a Wahhabi?

No I am not, as I said, I am a Muslim, and have no need for any other titles or groups like this.

Baronvonrort wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 6:22pm:

falah wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 10:42am: freediver wrote on May 9th, 2012 at 6:12pm: it is always the CIA or Mossad triggering it, and the local Muslims then follow suit and slaughter each other like well trained lemmings. The Shi-ite sect was invented by a Yemeni Jew, Abdullah ibn Saba'. He introduced a number of concepts that were adpoted by the people who became the Shi-ites such as the exaltation of Ali, and their belief in Ali's "divine appointment" by the Islamic prophet Muhammad as a successor, the concept of ghayba and return (rajʿa) were first formulated and expressed by Ibn Sabaʾ and his followers. The Shi-ites took on many characteristics of Jews such as praying three times per day. Falah where does it say in the Quran how many times a day you have to pray can you cite the verses?

Is there a verse in the Quran that says how many times a day you have to pray?

Is there a hadith that says muslims originally had to pray 50 times a day yet they complained to Mohammad they could not get anything done so Mohammad changed it?

Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:19pm:

Is there a verse in the Quran that says how many times a day you have to pray?

The question doesn't make much sense. Who is supposed to have claimed it says that in the Qur'an, for you now to be questioning it?


Baronvonrort wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 3:19pm:

Is there a hadith that says muslims originally had to pray 50 times a day yet they complained to Mohammad they could not get anything done so Mohammad changed it?

No. But if you think there is, then knock yourself trying to provide it.

We are all Muslims, friends. We all seek peace of Gud, whether we know this or not.

abu_rashid wrote on May 10^th, 2012 at 12:21am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:54pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. Terrorists? Go back to Czech Republic, AshkeNAZI.

That's like saying, 'Go back to Mohamedland, Islamofascist', no?

Quote:

We're still waiting for the quote on that one. Don't feel pressured though, it's not like you have any credibility left to protect anyway.

Are Shites apostates?

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

Quote: We're still waiting for the quote on that one. Don't feel pressured though, it's not like you have any credibility left to protect anyway. Are Shites apostates?

Apostates are shites.

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:50pm:

Quote: We're still waiting for the quote on that one. Don't feel pressured though, it's not like you have any credibility left to protect anyway. Are Shites apostates?

I take it this question is an admission that you lied?

Are you suggesting that wanting to stone him to death had nothing to do with his departure?

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 9:45pm:

Are you suggesting that wanting to stone him to death had nothing to do with his departure?

Well if you think it was, show us the quote. I'd be hard for you to then claim "Or maybe it was Malik who said it, I can't remember" this time wouldn't it?

Do you want me to quote what you think rather than just asking you?

Or do you want me to quote the effect that you wanting him stoned to death had on your relationship with him?

Soren wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 8:41pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 12:21am: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:54pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. Terrorists? Go back to Czech Republic, AshkeNAZI. That's like saying, 'Go back to Mohamedland, Islamofascist', no?

No. This man is a Jew. He should go back to Czech Republic.

Karnal wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 12:59am:

Soren wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 8:41pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 12:21am: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:54pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. Terrorists? Go back to Czech Republic, AshkeNAZI. That's like saying, 'Go back to Mohamedland, Islamofascist', no? No. This man is a Jew. He should go back to Czech Republic.

But Islamofascist can stay where they are or move freely where they wish?
Not OK to want a small Jewish country but OK to want Islam to rule the whole world?

Shurely shome mishtake.

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2012 at 10:05pm:

Do you want me to quote what you think rather than just asking you? Or do you want me to quote the effect that you wanting him stoned to death had on your relationship with him?

Don't try again to weasel your way out of it.

You made an accusation (not the first) and if you had even an iota of integrity, you'd either quote it to back it up, or you'd be a man and admit you are a lying piece of grime.

Soren wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 8:45am:

Karnal wrote on May 13th, 2012 at 12:59am: Soren wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 8:41pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 10th, 2012 at 12:21am: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:54pm: abu_rashid wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 9:50pm: freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? We're Muslims, we need no other title. Terrorists? Go back to Czech Republic, AshkeNAZI. That's like saying, 'Go back to Mohamedland, Islamofascist', no? No. This man is a Jew. He should go back to Czech Republic. But Islamofascist can stay where they are or move freely where they wish? Not OK to want a small Jewish country but OK to want Islam to rule the whole world? Shurely shome mishtake.

No, my friend, it is not shome mishtake. Gud is great.

Danish infidels also should go to Czech. It must be a very bad place, I fear.

abu_rashid wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

freediver wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 10:05pm: Do you want me to quote what you think rather than just asking you? Or do you want me to quote the effect that you wanting him stoned to death had on your relationship with him? Don't try again to weasel your way out of it. You made an accusation (not the first) and if you had even an iota of integrity, you'd either quote it to back it up, or you'd be a man and admit you are a lying piece of grime.

Abu, if I had accused you of posting something, demanding I quote what you posted would be appropriate. As it is I have no idea what you are accusing me of and what you want me to quote.

Are you accusing me of lying? Please pick the lie for me:

a) Malik is a shite
b) Shites are apostates
c) apostates should be stoned to death

freediver wrote on May 9^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

I later found out that Abu and Falah believe that Shites should be stoned to death for apostasy.

Please quote the statement by me where you had this sudden realisation.

Or accept you're being exposed as a pathetic liar.

abu_rashid wrote on May 14^th, 2012 at 10:08pm:

freediver wrote on May 9th, 2012 at 6:12pm: I later found out that Abu and Falah believe that Shites should be stoned to death for apostasy. Please quote the statement by me where you had this sudden realisation. Or accept you're being exposed as a pathetic liar.

Freeliar has proven time and again he has no qualms about lying.

Abu are you accusing me of lying? It is hard to tell with the way you dance around the issue.

Abu why do you want me to find quotes if you don't disagree with anything I posted?

Abu, why are you being so mean to Freediver?

freediver wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

Abu are you accusing me of lying? It is hard to tell with the way you dance around the issue.

No accusations, you've clearly implicated yourself as an outright liar.

I don't need to make accusations, you expose yourself to be a habitual liar post after post.

Usually you wiggle your way out of it (or so you think) by using the common excuse "Maybe it wasn't Abu who said it, it was Malik", but you know full well that won't cut it on this one.

Karnal wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:52pm:

Abu, why are you being so mean to Freediver?

I'm just a nasty pastie I guess.

So you are not actually accusing me of lying.

Are you accusing me of being wrong?

If I am wrong, why don't you just say what I am wrong about?

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:01pm:

abu_rashid wrote on May 13th, 2012 at 10:00am: freediver wrote on May 12th, 2012 at 10:05pm: Do you want me to quote what you think rather than just asking you? Or do you want me to quote the effect that you wanting him stoned to death had on your relationship with him? Don't try again to weasel your way out of it. You made an accusation (not the first) and if you had even an iota of integrity, you'd either quote it to back it up, or you'd be a man and admit you are a lying piece of grime. Abu, if I had accused you of posting something, demanding I quote what you posted would be appropriate. As it is I have no idea what you are accusing me of and what you want me to quote. Are you accusing me of lying? Please pick the lie for me: a) Malik is a shite b) Shites are apostates c) apostates should be stoned to death

You forgot to say under C), 'under the caliphate'.

This is what allows Abo to do the rightly-guided tapdance. He obviously didn't advocate stoning of apostates under Britannic common law.
But when the caliphate cometh, British common law, like democracy and free speech, will go to hell and full sharia will be instituted. Then apostates will be stoned to death, as commanded by Islam.

Thanks Soren. Surely you have saved me from the embarrassing sort of accusations of self implication as an outright liar and I can once again ask questions of the local muslims.

freediver wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

Thanks Soren. Surely you have saved me from the embarrassing sort of accusations of self implication as an outright liar and I can once again ask questions of the local muslims.

Don't mention it.


Islam is super-rationalistic and when you are dealing with people who must tap dance around the unalterable word of god , even a comma has huge significance.

freediver wrote on May 13^th, 2012 at 10:01pm:

Are you accusing me of lying? Please pick the lie for me: b) Shites are apostates

That is a lie. So you admit that you are liar now? Or will you keep lying and say you are not a liar?

Thanks you for shining a light on my ignorance Falah. I have responded here:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337120583/0#8

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:49am:

freediver wrote on May 13th, 2012 at 10:01pm: Are you accusing me of lying? Please pick the lie for me: b) Shites are apostates That is a lie. So you admit that you are liar now? Or will you keep lying and say you are not a liar?

Tut-tut, FD, you are careless with language again. Shites are heretics and traitors, not apostates. They will be stoned to death because they are heretics and traitors.

Get it right, man.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:52am:

falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 12:49am: freediver wrote on May 13th, 2012 at 10:01pm: Are you accusing me of lying? Please pick the lie for me: b) Shites are apostates That is a lie. So you admit that you are liar now? Or will you keep lying and say you are not a liar? Tut-tut, FD, you are careless with language again. Shites are heretics and traitors, not apostates. They will be stoned to death because they are heretics and traitors. Get it right, man.

Freeliar's lies seem only to be only surpassed on this forum by yours Sore One.

Shi-ites, in general, are not considered heretics or apostates.

Are they Muslims?

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:44am:

Freeliar's lies seem only to be only surpassed on this forum by yours Sore One. Shi-ites, in general, are not considered heretics or apostates.

Really? What does 'Rafidi' mean then? And what's 'Nasibi'? Not 'bruvver' or 'rightly-guided' that's for sure.

Please explain. 



(Everybody, stand back and let the tap dancing begin)

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Are they Muslims?

In general, Shi-ites are considerd Muslim.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:39am:

falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 10:44am: Freeliar's lies seem only to be only surpassed on this forum by yours Sore One. Shi-ites, in general, are not considered heretics or apostates. Really? What does 'Rafidi' mean then? And what's 'Nasibi'? Not 'bruvver' or 'rightly-guided' that's for sure. Please explain.  (Everybody, stand back and let the tap dancing begin)

"Rafidi" means "rejector", it is used to describe the extremist Twelver Shi-ites who reject the historical legacy of the Rashidoon Caliphate, and they reject the testimony of the supporters of the Rashidoon Caliphate.

"Nasibi" is a term used by extremist Twelver Shi-ites such as the "ayatollahs" in Iran.

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:58am:

freediver wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:33am: Are they Muslims? In general, Shi-ites are considerd Muslim.

So why have you been saying that they are not Muslim?

freediver wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:13pm:

falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:58am: freediver wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:33am: Are they Muslims? In general, Shi-ites are considerd Muslim. So why have you been saying that they are not Muslim?

Freeliar, aren't you ashamed to lie so much? Can you demonstrate where I said that Shi-ites are not Muslim?

Sure Falah, you have said it plenty of times, though you often like to claim that shites are merely ignorant of what makes shites apostates.


falah wrote on Feb 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

For the Twelver Shi-ite sect, found mostly in Iran, it is only the government and leaders who are considered to be outside of Islam. The ordinary person on the street is technically considered muslim unless he utters the heresies of his leaders.

freediver wrote on May 8^th, 2012 at 8:36am:

Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists?

Falah ( born again ) has stated on other forums he leans toward the Wahhabi school of backward thought.

This is of course directly opposed to the salafist school of bullshit backward thought.

Adamant wrote on May 20^th, 2012 at 1:18am:

freediver wrote on May 8th, 2012 at 8:36am: Abu and Falah, are you guys Salafis? Are you Wahhabists? Falah ( born again ) has stated on other forums he leans toward the Wahhabi school of backward thought. This is of course directly opposed to the salafist school of bullshit backward thought.

I am an Orthodox Muslim as was Prophet Abraham. I submit to God Almighty.

'Born again' is the term used by crazy evangelical Christians like George Bush.


http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/04/01/cartoons/Bush_God.gif


World's First Born-Again president


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Sorry to change the topic on you Falah. Are you a Wahhabi, or do you 'share their views'?

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:28am:

Sorry to change the topic on you Falah. Are you a Wahhabi, or do you 'share their views'?

I have never even met anyone who calls himself a Wahhabi.

So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer?

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 6:04pm:

So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer?

Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions?

Perhaps 'loaded' is a more appropriate adjective.

falah wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 7:37pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm: So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer? Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions?

Who defended a girl being stoned to death by Muslims.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:47pm:

falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:37pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm: So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer? Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions? Who defended a girl being stoned to death by Muslims.

Freeliar are you Avram? You both lie and are both pro-Israeli.

falah wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 10:19pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:47pm: falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:37pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm: So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer? Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions? Who defended a girl being stoned to death by Muslims. Freeliar are you Avram? You both lie and are both pro-Israeli.

I am myself and I am proud Israeli.
When people stop attacking my country then we will stop the air attacks.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 10:24pm:

falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:19pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:47pm: falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:37pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm: So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer? Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions? Who defended a girl being stoned to death by Muslims. Freeliar are you Avram? You both lie and are both pro-Israeli. I am myself and I am proud Israeli. When people stop attacking my country then we will stop the air attacks.

Avram you lied about me supposedly supporting stoning of rape victims. Why would you not lie about your own personality?

C'mon Freeliar it is you isn't it?

falah wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 10:46pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:24pm: falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:19pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:47pm: falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:37pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm: So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer? Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions? Who defended a girl being stoned to death by Muslims. Freeliar are you Avram? You both lie and are both pro-Israeli. I am myself and I am proud Israeli. When people stop attacking my country then we will stop the air attacks. Avram you lied about me supposedly supporting stoning of rape victims. Why would you not lie about your own personality? C'mon Freeliar it is you isn't it?

You defended a 13 year old rape victim stoned by Muslim savages

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 11:02pm:

falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:46pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:24pm: falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:19pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:47pm: falah wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 7:37pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 6:04pm: So how should I phrase the question to get a straight answer? Freeliar, I have already stated that I am an Orthodox Muslim. What's with the inane questions? Who defended a girl being stoned to death by Muslims. Freeliar are you Avram? You both lie and are both pro-Israeli. I am myself and I am proud Israeli. When people stop attacking my country then we will stop the air attacks. Avram you lied about me supposedly supporting stoning of rape victims. Why would you not lie about your own personality? C'mon Freeliar it is you isn't it? You defended a 13 year old rape victim stoned by Muslim savages

C'mon Avram. These bald-faced lies are just hurting your own credibility.

Although whoever has their hand in this sock doesn't really care about credibility.

Falah was I wrong to assume it is possible to get a straight answer from a Muslim about Wahabbism?

Is it true to you claimed on another forum that you agree with the school of thought?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:28am:

Falah was I wrong to assume it is possible to get a straight answer from a Muslim about Wahabbism? Is it true to you claimed on another forum that you agree with the school of thought?

Freeliar, you do not seem to understand plain English. I have stated clearly here that I have never met anyone who calls themselves a Wahabi. There is no such school of thought.

So it does not even exist as a concept?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:48am:

So it does not even exist as a concept?

Well, it obviously seems to exist in your mind.

Does it exist outside of my mind?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:10pm:

Does it exist outside of my mind?

It could exist in other people's minds as well.

It certainly does not exist in the Prophet's mind, peace be upon him.

falah wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:15am:

freediver wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:10pm: Does it exist outside of my mind? It could exist in other people's minds as well.

If it did, would you agree with it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi


Quote:

Academics and historians use the term to denote "a school of thought which surfaced in the second half of the 19th century as a reaction to the spread of European ideas," and "sought to expose the roots of modernity within Muslim civilization."

This bit in particular has caught my attention. It explains Abu's absurd attempts at rewriting history so Muslims were always the victims, never the aggressors, and so that Muslims made a huge contribution to basic science.

This requires an openness and willingness to simply reject reality and seek out a few exceptions to turn into a rule. Obviously reality can be a bit confronting, so where it gets too absurd Muslims just say that historical Muslims suffered because they strayed from the faith.

I think it explains Abu and Falah's beliefs that Muslims are on the verge of a big military victory. In this thread:

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1337653279/31#31

Falah explains that the Palestinians should never surrender and accept Israeli statehood because their current plight is merely a temporary setback in an ongoing war in which the Muslims will soon have their glorious victory. He even digs up a few historical examples to prove that this is a sound principle, rather than crapping on your own plate. For example he claims that peaceful Australian aborigines were the ones that were killed and that history demonstrates they would have been better off to continue putting up fierce and violent resistance to European immigrants.

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

Falah explains that the Palestinians should never surrender and accept Israeli statehood because their current plight is merely a temporary setback in an ongoing war in which the Muslims will soon have their glorious victory. He even digs up a few historical examples to prove that this is a sound principle, rather than crapping on your own plate. For example he claims that peaceful Australian aborigines were the ones that were killed and that history demonstrates they would have been better off to continue putting up fierce and violent resistance to European immigrants.

The muslim principle is that anything that has ever been Muslim will always be Muslim. It is a geographic version of the doctrine that there is no conversion to Islam, only reversion.

freediver wrote on May 24^th, 2012 at 8:31am:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salafi Quote: Academics and historians use the term to denote "a school of thought which surfaced in the second half of the 19th century as a reaction to the spread of European ideas," and "sought to expose the roots of modernity within Muslim civilization."

This is totally incorrect.

The term "Salafi" is nothing new and refers to the methodology used by orthodox Muslim scholars in deriving Islamic rulings based on the Quran, hadeeth, and the interpretations based on the earliest generations of Muslims understandings.

The methodology is as old as Islam, and it is ludicrous to imagine that it is something invented in the 19th century when their are 1400 year-old references to it in hadeeth, and Islamic scholars have been mentioning it since then.

The prophet said peace & blessings of God upon him:

"The best of people is my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them (i.e. the first three generations of Muslims)." [Reported by Bukhari and Muslim]

Therefore, orthodox Islamic methodology is based upon acknowledging that the ealiest generations of muslims's understanding of Islam is the basis for the understnading of the following generations.

The three generations referred to in the hadeeth are known as as-Salaf as-Saalih (the pious predecessors). Following the predeceesors ensures that Orthodox Islam remains uncorrupted and pure by deviant interpretations.

The wikipedia article acknowledges that as the origin of the term Salafi.

The fact that an old term is used to describe the movement does not mean the movement doesn't exist or that it means nothing more than how the term was used historically. Otherwise you are basically arguing that people have to make up completely new words with no links to current language in order to identify themselves and their movement.

Why is there a pattern here of Muslims using the most ancient definition of words to define the modern world? We have seen Abu do the same with democracy for example. Is it that the focus on studying Islam in Arabic leads Muslims to believe that the English language has not changed either since the ancient Greeks used democracy? Or is it just another stupid excuse for not giving a straight answer - pretending that it is impossible because you don't have the language faculties to understand the question? It's like an elaborate version of "solly me no speaka da engrish".

Here is another classic example - an attempt to rewrite the history of Australian settlement, without farming as a driving force of settlement and dominant predictor of population density. It even has calls for more violence between settlers and aborigines, although at least this time Falah is not denying the link between Islam and violence. He is promoting it as a good thing.

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338172056

freediver wrote on Jun 4^th, 2012 at 8:13am:

...It even has calls for more violence between settlers and aborigines... http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338172056

More lies Freeliar. You really can't help yourself can you?

It is good for people to see that the Islam-haters are liars.

Your stupidity harms your own cause.