Okay. I didnt even realise this was a topic or conspiracy or whatever until the other day when I saw some stuff in another thread. Can someone tell me what this is about?

I learned @ school that germans killed jews in germany. That was the war. My mother says her dad was a soldier in that war so theres some memory there - war did happen. Thats what I thought "holocaust denial" was that ppl were saying the war didnt happen.

Every war has propaganda. Remember Iraq war and the crap about them having WMDs and the association made by pollies and media of 11/9 with it.

SOB

Some people deny that many millions of Jews were in concentration camps and killed murdered  y Nazis.
This is even though so much evidence shows this happened.

My grandparents from Czeska Republic were in Nazi camps and they are not liars.

This is why it is a criminal offence in European countries to deny this holocaust happened.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

Some people deny that many millions of Jews were in concentration camps and killed murdered  y Nazis. This is even though so much evidence shows this happened. My grandparents from Czeska Republic were in Nazi camps and they are not liars. This is why it is a criminal offence in European countries to deny this holocaust happened.

You know the saying "methinks thou protest too much". I never doubted it until I saw that its illegal to deny it. Now I am starting to wonder. It is the zionist excuse for their atrocities afterall so they have a vested interest in it being "true".

Anyway I have this in the extremist section because I am hoping the ppl that have knowledge on both sides of this will discuss it civilly and I can maybe learn the 2 sides from it.

SOB

Even if Jews were killed by Nazis, why did that become more important than the Gypsies killed by the Nazis, or the millions of Muslims killed by Stalin, the Bosnian Muslims killed by Serbs, the Christians killed in Rwanda, the 3 million killed by the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia?

Why do Jews have a monopoly on the guilt industry?

It is true. There is no reason to say it is not.
You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!!

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 10:00am:

It is true. There is no reason to say it is not. You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!!

Its not illegal here. I am asking what it is thats denied. There was a war. Jews were killed. What is being denied? I saw hints that the gas chambers were propaganda?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:00am: It is true. There is no reason to say it is not. You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!! Its not illegal here. I am asking what it is thats denied. There was a war. Jews were killed. What is being denied? I saw hints that the gas chambers were propaganda? SOB

The jewish people were put in camps and exterminated by gas.
Nothing to relate with war.
That is denied by people and is illegal.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:00am: It is true. There is no reason to say it is not. You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!! Its not illegal here. I am asking what it is thats denied. There was a war. Jews were killed. What is being denied? I saw hints that the gas chambers were propaganda? SOB

It is illegal in some countries. The question is why? Doesn't the evidence stand up to scrutiny?

Why is it not illegal to deny other massacres?

falah wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:00am: It is true. There is no reason to say it is not. You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!! Its not illegal here. I am asking what it is thats denied. There was a war. Jews were killed. What is being denied? I saw hints that the gas chambers were propaganda? SOB It is illegal in some countries. The question is why? Doesn't the evidence stand up to scrutiny? Why is it not illegal to deny other massacres?

Yeah thats a good question. Maybe. If you cant answer mine you wont know the answer to yours though. Perhaps someone else will enlighten us.

SOB

There is no discussion to have on deniers of the holocaust.
They are right wing nazis and anti Semites.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 7:17pm:

There is no discussion to have on deniers of the holocaust. They are right wing nazis and anti Semites.

That is not an answer.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 7:23pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:17pm: There is no discussion to have on deniers of the holocaust. They are right wing nazis and anti Semites. That is not an answer. SOB

That is the answer you are receiving. In Israel you will go to prison for five years if you deny the holocaust.
There is nothing to deny. Only hatred and anti semitism to make trouble.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 7:30pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:23pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:17pm: There is no discussion to have on deniers of the holocaust. They are right wing nazis and anti Semites. That is not an answer. SOB That is the answer you are receiving. In Israel you will go to prison for five years if you deny the holocaust. There is nothing to deny. Only hatred and anti semitism to make trouble.

Well. I am not denying "the holocaust". I am asking about it. What is it that ppl are denying about it? What do ppl think didnt happen?

SOB

falah wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:00am: It is true. There is no reason to say it is not. You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!! Its not illegal here. I am asking what it is thats denied. There was a war. Jews were killed. What is being denied? I saw hints that the gas chambers were propaganda? SOB It is illegal in some countries. The question is why? Doesn't the evidence stand up to scrutiny? Why is it not illegal to deny other massacres?

Well, it is compulsory in Turkey to deny the Armenian genocide.

Anyway, just because holocaust denial is illegal in some countries doesn't make the holocaust any less real.  It is a stupid law to haul idiots to court for saying idiotic things such as 'the holocaust didn't happen' or 'if it happened it was a Jewish plot' or any of such crap. But such an idiotic law doesn't diminish the magnitude and significance of the holocaust.

Just for clarity, the 6 million Jews perished in the holocaust' is NOT about 6 million gassed and cremated. It is about 6 million systematically killed, one way or another.

There has not been a comparable attempt in history where a particular group has been targeted across international borders, systematically and on an industrial scale, as a matter of policy. It was a pogrom or massacre on a much greater scale than anything else.

Soren wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 7:49pm:

falah wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 7:01pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 6:55pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 10:00am: It is true. There is no reason to say it is not. You can not say it did not happen only because denial is illegal!! Its not illegal here. I am asking what it is thats denied. There was a war. Jews were killed. What is being denied? I saw hints that the gas chambers were propaganda? SOB It is illegal in some countries. The question is why? Doesn't the evidence stand up to scrutiny? Why is it not illegal to deny other massacres? Well, it is compulsory in Turkey to deny the Armenian genocide. Anyway, just because holocaust denial is illegal in some countries doesn't make the holocaust any less real.  It is a stupid law to haul idiots to court for saying idiotic things such as 'the holocaust didn't happen' or 'if it happened it was a Jewish plot' or any of such crap. But such an idiotic law doesn't diminish the magnitude and significance of the holocaust. Just for clarity, the 6 million Jews perished in the holocaust' is NOT about 6 million gassed and cremated. It is about 6 million systematically killed, one way or another. There has not been a comparable attempt in history where a particular group has been targeted across international borders, systematically and on an industrial scale, as a matter of policy. It was a pogrom or massacre on a much greater scale than anything else.

I have read that some claim it wasnt 6 million. It was more likely around 1 million. There is always propaganda in wars and history is written by the victors. Thing is the zionists are using it as an excuse so of course they dont like denial.

Since nobody has answered my questions I googled it. The thing that is being "denied" is not the war itself but the gas chambers.

Now I remember seeing things on tv about hitler. They are on all the time. He was trying to exterminate everyone that was not white with blue eyes etc. He wasnt after the jews in particular but non-arians. Thats why the "nazi party" ppl nowadays are racist buggers.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 8:14am:

I have read that some claim it wasnt 6 million. It was more likely around 1 million. There is always propaganda in wars and history is written by the victors. Thing is the zionists are using it as an excuse so of course they dont like denial. Since nobody has answered my questions I googled it. The thing that is being "denied" is not the war itself but the gas chambers. Now I remember seeing things on tv about hitler. They are on all the time. He was trying to exterminate everyone that was not white with blue eyes etc. He wasnt after the jews in particular but non-arians. Thats why the "nazi party" ppl nowadays are racist buggers. SOB

Amazing..
Vague recollection of something or other, segued into a sweeping, tired old cliche, supported by the existence of TV documentaries, a bizarre misrepresentation resting on utter incomprehension, topped with a garbled banality.
Just bugger* amazing.

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 11:26am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:14am: I have read that some claim it wasnt 6 million. It was more likely around 1 million. There is always propaganda in wars and history is written by the victors. Thing is the zionists are using it as an excuse so of course they dont like denial. Since nobody has answered my questions I googled it. The thing that is being "denied" is not the war itself but the gas chambers. Now I remember seeing things on tv about hitler. They are on all the time. He was trying to exterminate everyone that was not white with blue eyes etc. He wasnt after the jews in particular but non-arians. Thats why the "nazi party" ppl nowadays are racist buggers. SOB Amazing.. Vague recollection of something or other, segued into a sweeping, tired old cliche, supported by the existence of TV documentaries, a bizarre misrepresentation resting on utter incomprehension, topped with a garbled banality. Just bugger* amazing.

How strange. If nothing I found is what its about then why dont you tell me? I have been asking the question all through the thread.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 11:31am:

Soren wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 11:26am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:14am: I have read that some claim it wasnt 6 million. It was more likely around 1 million. There is always propaganda in wars and history is written by the victors. Thing is the zionists are using it as an excuse so of course they dont like denial. Since nobody has answered my questions I googled it. The thing that is being "denied" is not the war itself but the gas chambers. Now I remember seeing things on tv about hitler. They are on all the time. He was trying to exterminate everyone that was not white with blue eyes etc. He wasnt after the jews in particular but non-arians. Thats why the "nazi party" ppl nowadays are racist buggers. SOB Amazing.. Vague recollection of something or other, segued into a sweeping, tired old cliche, supported by the existence of TV documentaries, a bizarre misrepresentation resting on utter incomprehension, topped with a garbled banality. Just bugger* amazing. How strange. If nothing I found is what its about then why dont you tell me? I have been asking the question all through the thread. SOB

I have re-read your OP. It is still garbled nonsense. What you are asking is whether holocaust denial is the same as denying that the war took place. That is just so unexpectedly stupid. What answer are you expecting? There is no possible answer to the garbled, incoherent nonsense of your OP or subsequent posts repeating that 'nobody is answering your question'.

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 11:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 11:31am: Soren wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 11:26am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 8:14am: I have read that some claim it wasnt 6 million. It was more likely around 1 million. There is always propaganda in wars and history is written by the victors. Thing is the zionists are using it as an excuse so of course they dont like denial. Since nobody has answered my questions I googled it. The thing that is being "denied" is not the war itself but the gas chambers. Now I remember seeing things on tv about hitler. They are on all the time. He was trying to exterminate everyone that was not white with blue eyes etc. He wasnt after the jews in particular but non-arians. Thats why the "nazi party" ppl nowadays are racist buggers. SOB Amazing.. Vague recollection of something or other, segued into a sweeping, tired old cliche, supported by the existence of TV documentaries, a bizarre misrepresentation resting on utter incomprehension, topped with a garbled banality. Just bugger* amazing. How strange. If nothing I found is what its about then why dont you tell me? I have been asking the question all through the thread. SOB I have re-read your OP. It is still garbled nonsense. What you are asking is whether holocaust denial is the same as denying that the war took place. That is just so unexpectedly stupid. What answer are you expecting? There is no possible answer to the garbled, incoherent nonsense of your OP or subsequent posts repeating that 'nobody is answering your question'.

I agree there is no question to answer

Poll

I am asking what the "holocaust deniers" are denying. Its a pretty simple question.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 12:46pm:

I am asking what the "holocaust deniers" are denying. Its a pretty simple question. SOB

Ahhh... They're denying... The Holocaust?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

NorthOfNorth wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 16th, 2012 at 12:46pm: I am asking what the "holocaust deniers" are denying. Its a pretty simple question. SOB Ahhh... They're denying... The Holocaust? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holocaust

Thats not what I have seen. From what Ive seen its certain parts of the story they are not swallowing not the entire thing. Fair enough though unless someone has the guts to come in this thread and explain.

SOB

http://www.projetaladin.org/holocaust/en/holocaust-denial/what-is-holocaust-denial.html

Soren wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

http://www.projetaladin.org/holocaust/en/holocaust-denial/what-is-holocaust-denial.html

Thanks for that. It did explain what it is that they are "denying" which was the answer to my question. the site does seem to take great pains to try to insult holocaust deniers or revisionists which is weird because its just a point of view. It doesn matter it told me what i wanted to know (I think).

I have seen ppl on this site dispute some things about the holocaust though and wouldn't mind hearing what they have to say.

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15^th, 2012 at 9:39am:

Some people deny that many millions of Jews were in concentration camps and killed murdered  y Nazis. This is even though so much evidence shows this happened. My grandparents from Czeska Republic were in Nazi camps and they are not liars. This is why it is a criminal offence in European countries to deny this holocaust happened.

What is actually a denial of the Holocaust?
I lived in Germany during the war, we had no Radio, no Newspapers at that time.
I never saw anyone being transported to a concentration camp.
I only read about it much later after the war when I had access to the media.
Now if I say, I do not believe that there was such a thing as the Holocaust, would that be classed as a denial?
I consider that countries who introduce laws that can punish someone not believing everything he/she is fed to by the media, are not really democratic.
It would be another thing if someone wants to harm someone of another race, religion, etc...

hawil wrote on May 16^th, 2012 at 4:38pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 15th, 2012 at 9:39am: Some people deny that many millions of Jews were in concentration camps and killed murdered  y Nazis. This is even though so much evidence shows this happened. My grandparents from Czeska Republic were in Nazi camps and they are not liars. This is why it is a criminal offence in European countries to deny this holocaust happened. What is actually a denial of the Holocaust? I lived in Germany during the war, we had no Radio, no Newspapers at that time. I never saw anyone being transported to a concentration camp. I only read about it much later after the war when I had access to the media. Now if I say, I do not believe that there was such a thing as the Holocaust, would that be classed as a denial? I consider that countries who introduce laws that can punish someone not believing everything he/she is fed to by the media, are not really democratic. It would be another thing if someone wants to harm someone of another race, religion, etc...

Yeah I think the laws are to make the jews seem like martyrs or something. Dunno but its political thats for sure. They (zionists) seem to use it as an excuse all the time for what they are doing to others.

SOB

Question everything, Spot. You're looking for answers in the wrong place though - most of the information you'll get here is propaganda. A better option would be your local library.


Don't let other members make you feel silly for asking. Their patronising attitudes stink.

http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2012/04/iran-holocaust-cartoon-11-635x357.jpg

I have to say i dont understand that

SOB

There was a holocaust.
Millions of Jews were murdered.

My grandparents were put by Nazis into camp and I have photos of their liberation by Red Army.

Later on they go to new state of Israel invited by Ben Gurion.

When are you going to answer the question int he israel/palestiains thread?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:52am:

I have to say i dont understand that SOB

The cartoon notes how Zionists Jews are using the holocaust as grounds to invade Palestine, and avoid any scrutiny over it.

Look at how these Orthodox Jews living in Palestine still try to milk the Holocaust for all its worth:

http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2012/01/ultraorthodox-holocaust.jpg

http://www.onislam.net/english/oimedia/onislamen/images/mainimages/Holocaust%20children1.JPG


Whenever these Zionists fear that they will not get their way, they wheel out holocaust propganda.

Quote:

The cartoon notes how Zionists Jews are using the holocaust as grounds to invade Palestine, and avoid any scrutiny over it.

Ahhh okay then. Thanks. Yeah I agree.

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:04pm:

There was a holocaust. Millions of Jews were murdered. My grandparents were put by Nazis into camp and I have photos of their liberation by Red Army. Later on they go to new state of Israel invited by Ben Gurion.

To give an answer to my question, could you please define, what a denial means.

I think the zionist Jews are actually using the fact that all their neighbours attacked them and lost as the grounds for the 'invasion'.

hawil wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 12:04pm: There was a holocaust. Millions of Jews were murdered. My grandparents were put by Nazis into camp and I have photos of their liberation by Red Army. Later on they go to new state of Israel invited by Ben Gurion. To give an answer to my question, could you please define, what a denial means.

It means not accepting that the Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis.

What did YOU think it meant??

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:52am: I have to say i dont understand that SOB The cartoon notes how Zionists Jews are using the holocaust as grounds to invade Palestine, and avoid any scrutiny over it. Look at how these Orthodox Jews living in Palestine still try to milk the Holocaust for all its worth: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/files/2012/01/ultraorthodox-holocaust.jpg Whenever these Zionists fear that they will not get their way, they wheel out holocaust propganda.

You dishonest bvgger (but then again, you are a jihadi monster). That image is of a bunch of Jewish numpties:

"Israelis are fuming after an ultra-Orthodox group dressed in concentration camp garb to protest their treatment by the public for promoting segregation of the sexes. "
http://politicalforum.net/showthread.php?2530-Ultra-orthodox-Israeli-Jews-Depict-themselves-as-Holocaust-Camp-Prisoners
No wonder Muslims like you are regarded as deceptive, lying, dishonest bastards.

Google 'holocaust' news stories. There were more than 2000 published in the last 24 hours! Why? Who controls the media in the West?

One of the stories is interesting, shows how far the holocaust industry is promoted in 'educational' institutions in the West:


Quote:

Student Says Holocaust Lesson Went Too Far A teenager says in Federal Court that he was seriously injured when he was required to role-play as a Jew while taking orders from students in the role of Nazis during an educational exercise about the Holocaust. Andrew Yara, 19, of Ochiltree County, said the Perryton Independent School District tradition is known as Red Ribbon Day. Students who wore red ribbons played the role of Jews who had to comply with the demands of students who did not wear red ribbons, who played the role of Nazis, according to the federal complaint. "[Red ribbon students] must do everything school faculty or other students tell them to, including picking up other students' trash, being taken outside and sprayed with water hoses, bear-crawling across the hot track, carrying other students' books, and even carrying other students," the complaint states. "Engaging in this exercise was compulsory, with it constituting 60% of a major test grade for students in their World History Class, and any student who did not do everything they were told were receive a failing grade." Yara said he was forced to carry three different students to class during the span of one passing period, resulting in severe back injuries that required several medical procedures. One student who demanded Yara carry him was 170 pounds, while Yara weighed 100 pounds at the time. Another classmate later jumped onto Yara's back while he was still carrying the other student, resulting in a "shocking, burning" pain to shoot down both of Yara's legs from his pelvis, according to the complaint. In the following weeks, Yara was allegedly taken to the emergency room after passing out at work at United Supermarket. He also claims to have suffered seizure-like symptoms at church. The school showed "deliberate indifference" to Yara's constitutional right to human dignity by "subjecting him to a process that was designed to expose him to unwarranted shame, indignity, and virtually certain injury," the complaint states. "That this was supposed to be an educational experience does not excuse the cruelty, inhumanity, or injury that occurred," according to the lawsuit. Yara seeks damages for violations of his right to bodily integrity under the due process clause of the 14th Amendment, and his right to be free from excessive force under the Fourth Amendment. http://www.courthousenews.com/2012/05/17/46593.htm

Sudden change of tack. Interesting. You are caught out being a dishonest bugger, so you try some other cockamamie nonsense. Keep going  - and we will keep taking you for the dissembling lying jihadi that you are.

Did you know?
There are 514,000 hits for 'dissembling jihadi'. The internetz is practically  clogged with you guys.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:14pm:

Sudden change of tack. Interesting. You are caught out being a dishonest bugger, so you try some other cockamamie nonsense. Keep going  - and we will keep taking you for the dissembling lying jihadi that you are. Did you know? There are 514,000 hits for 'dissembling jihadi'. The internetz is practically  clogged with you guys.

Its clogged with you guys too

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:44am:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:14pm: Sudden change of tack. Interesting. You are caught out being a dishonest bugger, so you try some other cockamamie nonsense. Keep going  - and we will keep taking you for the dissembling lying jihadi that you are. Did you know? There are 514,000 hits for 'dissembling jihadi'. The internetz is practically  clogged with you guys. Its clogged with you guys too SOB

Yeah, you'd much rather leave the field entirely to the 'dissembling jihadis'. Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey, by any chance?

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 8:44am: Soren wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 11:14pm: Sudden change of tack. Interesting. You are caught out being a dishonest bugger, so you try some other cockamamie nonsense. Keep going  - and we will keep taking you for the dissembling lying jihadi that you are. Did you know? There are 514,000 hits for 'dissembling jihadi'. The internetz is practically  clogged with you guys. Its clogged with you guys too SOB Yeah, you'd much rather leave the field entirely to the 'dissembling jihadis'. Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey, by any chance?

I have no idea what the heck that is.

SOB

He is referring to Abu and Falah's tapdancing skills and accusing you of being French.

Ask men like Oscar Schindler What happened?

Ask why entire ghettos disappear one night where must they have go?

Ask my grandfather why his sister and brother one day is taken by Nazis in Prague and never seen again ever?

There is no holocaust? I am sorry to disappoint but there was so.

Also understand the impact on the minds of we the Jewish people's today.
Never again will we allow others to attack us and we accept?
Why do you think every terror attack from Arabs receives full strong response immediate from Israel?
Because we will never again lie down and allow our people to be attack.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:14pm:

Sudden change of tack. Interesting. You are caught out being a dishonest bugger, so you try some other cockamamie nonsense. Keep going  - and we will keep taking you for the dissembling lying jihadi that you are. Did you know? There are 514,000 hits for 'dissembling jihadi'. The internetz is practically  clogged with you guys.

Judging by your post count, at least 11000 of them are probably down to you.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 3:55pm:

Ask men like Oscar Schindler What happened? Ask why entire ghettos disappear one night where must they have go? Ask my grandfather why his sister and brother one day is taken by Nazis in Prague and never seen again ever? There is no holocaust? I am sorry to disappoint but there was so. Also understand the impact on the minds of we the Jewish people's today. Never again will we allow others to attack us and we accept? Why do you think every terror attack from Arabs receives full strong response immediate from Israel? Because we will never again lie down and allow our people to be attack.

But you attack others and use the excuse that its self defense citing the holocaust as an excuse. This is what is provoking ppl to question the holocaust imo.

SOB

We do not attack. We defend.
In Hebrew they are opposite as I am sure in English it is the same.

The holocaust industry lives on:

Anti-Nazi novel scoops Book of the Year

May 19, 2012

Australian author Anna Funder has taken out top honours at this year's Australian Book Industry Awards.

Her first novel, All That I Am, won Book of the Year and Literary Fiction Book of the Year at a gala ceremony held on Friday night in Sydney.

Funder, whose book was inspired by real-life events involving anti-Hitler activists in the 1930s, said she was honoured to win the award.

"It's a pretty intimate kind of book, so it's a frightening thing to put that out in the world," she said.

"It's frightening to work on something for five years and then just cross your fingers. So, yes, I'm really, really thrilled but I'm also very relieved that people like it.

"This kind of absolute dictatorship exists throughout history and it exists now in all sorts of places. I could have written this story about China or about Libya or about Burma or anywhere where there are absolutist governments and there are people resisting them." (Yeah, except then you wouldn't have won a prize)

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-05-19/anti-nazi-novel-scoops-book-of-the-year/4021176

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

We do not attack. We defend. In Hebrew they are opposite as I am sure in English it is the same.

You attack as well. You bulldoze ppls houses.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:29pm:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:14pm: We do not attack. We defend. In Hebrew they are opposite as I am sure in English it is the same. You attack as well. You bulldoze ppls houses. SOB

They bulldoze people.

Google Rachel Corrie.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:29pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:14pm: We do not attack. We defend. In Hebrew they are opposite as I am sure in English it is the same. You attack as well. You bulldoze ppls houses. SOB They bulldoze people. Google Rachel Corrie.

This is the American who stood purpose in the way?

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

They bulldoze people. Google Rachel Corrie.

Before the Israeli bulldozer had dealt with this Gentile woman

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/rach.jpg

After the Israeli bulldozer had finished with this Gentile woman

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/rach1.jpg

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b164/digger48/Twin%20Towers/Corrie.jpg

http://electronicintifada.net/sites/electronicintifada.net/files/artman2/1/rach3.jpg

http://robertcallus.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/rachel-corrie.jpg

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 4:52pm:

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:35pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:29pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 4:14pm: We do not attack. We defend. In Hebrew they are opposite as I am sure in English it is the same. You attack as well. You bulldoze ppls houses. SOB They bulldoze people. Google Rachel Corrie. This is the American who stood purpose in the way?

If this is what they do to their American Gentile 'friends', imagine what they are doing to Palestinians.

It is terrible to see young westerners who get sucked into the Pallo death cult. They sacrifice their children and eagerly sacrifice and exploit any young naive Westerner who is at hand for propaganda purposes. They use their own and foreigners to spread the idea of Jews=Nazis; Pallos= New Jews. And all the untutored, idealistic, bored kids are buying it.

Soren wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:21pm:

hawil wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:52pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 12:04pm: There was a holocaust. Millions of Jews were murdered. My grandparents were put by Nazis into camp and I have photos of their liberation by Red Army. Later on they go to new state of Israel invited by Ben Gurion. To give an answer to my question, could you please define, what a denial means. It means not accepting that the Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis. What did YOU think it meant??

Do you mean that by just reading about it in the media, anyone is obliged blindly to accept what is written in the media.
As I stated in my previous post, I never saw anybody being transported to any concentration camp.

hawil wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

Soren wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 10:21pm: hawil wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:52pm: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 12:04pm: There was a holocaust. Millions of Jews were murdered. My grandparents were put by Nazis into camp and I have photos of their liberation by Red Army. Later on they go to new state of Israel invited by Ben Gurion. To give an answer to my question, could you please define, what a denial means. It means not accepting that the Jews were systematically killed by the Nazis. What did YOU think it meant?? Do you mean that by just reading about it in the media, anyone is obliged blindly to accept what is written in the media. As I stated in my previous post, I never saw anybody being transported to any concentration camp.

Hey, it's not what's in the media.


Here, knock yourself out, for starters:
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/judwarcr.asp

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 1:41pm:

Are you a cheese eating surrender monkey, by any chance?

Just as I suspected. The old boy wants to sell his wares on this site.

Any cheese sales are strictly prohibited here, old boy. The Department of Health has strict requirements in this country.

Penalties range from $10,000 in fines to 2 years imprisonment, or both.

Soren wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

It is terrible to see young westerners who get sucked into the Pallo death cult. They sacrifice their children and eagerly sacrifice and exploit any young naive Westerner who is at hand for propaganda purposes. They use their own and foreigners to spread the idea of Jews=Nazis; Pallos= New Jews. And all the untutored, idealistic, bored kids are buying it.

You've said some stupid things but this tops them all. Do you know anything about Rachel Corrie? Read her letters - she was hardly naive or bored.

Actually that American girl is an example to all Palestinians. She has probably done more for their cause than all their suicide bombers combined, more than the father who launches rockets from his apartment roof then complains to the media when his children die in the return fire, more than all the wars that neighbouring countries have launched against Israel.

No surprise that she was not a Muslim.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:52am:

Actually that American girl is an example to all Palestinians

Innocent Palestinians are being killed, imprisoned, brutalised by Zionist Jews everyday.

This woman only gets some attention in the racist West because she was a blonde American.

Falah, can you give an example of a Muslim killed under the same circumstances? My guess is you will merely demonstrate your inability to grasp what this woman did differently.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 6:16pm:

Falah, can you give an example of a Muslim killed under the same circumstances? My guess is you will merely demonstrate your inability to grasp what this woman did differently.

http://www.deiryassin.org/


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Israeli troops kill unarmed Palestinian protesters on borders Israeli soldiers yesterday killed at least fifteen Palestinians and wounded many more as they suppressed protests held at border posts facing Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza to mark the 63rd anniversary of the founding of the Zionist state. This latest massacre of Palestinian civilians inflicted by the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) again demonstrates the Israeli government’s brazenly unlawful operations. The situation also exposes the Obama administration’s “humanitarian” pretext for the bombardment of Libya. NATO’s war is supposedly necessary to protect unarmed civilians from the possibility of being killed by government forces—but Washington raises no objections to the murderous activities of its closest ally in the Middle East, which it arms and finances to the tune of billions of dollars each year. The exact death toll from yesterday’s demonstrations remains unclear, with differing numbers provided by various media outlets. According to the Associated Press, Lebanese security officials reported that ten people were killed on the Lebanese side of the border fence. One person was shot dead by an Israeli sniper in Gaza. Others were killed in Israeli-occupied Golan Heights when a crowd of unarmed protesters broke through the demarcation fence with Syria and marched into the village of Majdal Shams. May 15 marks the anniversary of Israel’s establishment in 1948, but for the Palestinian people it is commemorated as “the catastrophe,” or al-Naqba. The Zionist state was founded through a terror campaign triggering one of the largest forced migrations in modern history. An estimated 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled their homes, and their property was expropriated. Denied the right to return ever since, there are now about 4.5 million refugees and their descendents in Lebanon, Syria, Jordan and the occupied territories. Thousands of refugees and their supporters protested around the world yesterday, coordinated through social networking Internet sites. Young Palestinians were especially inspired by the uprisings in Tunisia, Egypt and other Arab countries. Within the occupied territories, tens of thousands took to the streets, many holding keys of their family homes lost in 1948. Israel yesterday imposed a 24-hour shutdown across the West Bank, closing the various crossings and checkpoints. There were clashes between protesters and Israeli troops in Hebron, Wallajeh and Jerusalem, while at Gaza’s Erez border crossing at least 15 unarmed civilians were wounded by Israeli gunfire. The IDF fired what it described as “warning shots,” including tank shells and machine gun bullets aimed at open fields adjacent to the protest. One Palestinian, alleged by Israeli authorities to have been planting a bomb, was shot dead. In Egypt, thousands protested outside the Israeli embassy. More than 100 were injured when Egyptian security forces fired tear gas and rubber-coated steel bullets after an attempt was allegedly made to storm the building. Al Jazeera reported that at least 20 people were arrested. The worst of the violence occurred outside the southern Lebanese village of Maroun al-Ras, where thousands of people gathered at a border fence. Protesters reportedly hung flags on the barbed wire and sang songs, with some young people throwing rocks across the border, before both Israeli and Lebanese soldiers began firing. Lebanese forces initially fired warning shots, though it remains unclear whether they also fired into the crowd. Israeli forces were reportedly responsible for those killed. The violence was the worst inflicted on Lebanon since Israel’s 2006 invasion of the country. Those killed yesterday on the Syrian border were the victims of an Israeli operation to retake the village of Majdal Shams. According to one report, of the 200 protesters who crossed the border waving flags and placards, more than 100 were wounded in the Israeli offensive, demonstrating an indiscriminate use of force. Before the attack, villagers had welcomed the protesters, with the Independent reporting that “local residents greeted the infiltrators like heroes, joining them as they marched towards the main square singing and waving Palestinian flags.” One of the protesters, Muhammad Umran, 35, from the Yarmouk refugee camp in Syria’s capital Damascus, spoke with the Washington Post. “We cannot put up with this anymore,” he explained. “We are demanding our right of return. We are not afraid.” Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu openly defended the violence. “I instructed the Israel Defence Forces to act with maximum restraint but to prevent any infiltration into our borders,” he declared. “Everyone should know that we are determined to protect our borders and our sovereignty.” Defence Minister Ehud Barak likewise insisted: “The IDF must protect the sovereignty of Israel and it succeeded in doing so.” In reality, Israel invaded Syria’s Golan Heights in 1967 and later illegally annexed the territory. Its “sovereignty” over the area is not internationally recognised. The Netanyahu government and Israel Defence Forces have also alleged that the Naqba protests were “provocations” which bore “the fingerprints of Iran.” The Syrian government and Lebanon’s Hezbollah were also accused. “The Syrian regime is intentionally attempting to divert international attention away from the brutal crackdown of their own citizens to incite against Israel,” Israeli military spokeswoman Lieutenant Colonel Avital Leibovich claimed. These allegations are consistent with the Israeli government’s typical response to crises—to ratchet up tensions and beat the drum for war with Iran. It remains unclear how the Israeli military was overpowered on the Syrian border by a relatively small group of unarmed demonstrators. Protests for the Naqba anniversary were publicly prepared, and security officials in Israel were on high alert. Days earlier, one military official cited in the Israeli media explained: “We don’t want to be surprised or improvise a response at the last moment.” Yet only a small number of Israeli troops were stationed at one of the key Syrian border checkpoints. The question must be raised as to whether elements within the Israeli state and military ordered forces to be stood down in order to create the conditions for a violent crackdown and a campaign of fear and hysteria about a supposed threat to Israel’s sovereignty. http://www.wsws.org/articles/2011/may2011/isra-m16.shtml

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Twenty Palestinian protesters killed and 325 wounded as Israeli forces open fire in border clash About 20 pro-Palestinian demonstrators were killed and 325 injured yesterday when Israeli forces opened fire on them as they crossed the border from Syria into occupied territories, according to reports. Syrian state television said the protesters died as they crossed into Golan Heights, occupied by Israel since the 1967 Six Day War. The demonstrators descended from a hilltop overlooking the village of Majdal Shams towards the disputed border. http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/05/article-1394480-0C6B60CC00000578-888_634x499.jpg Demonstrators flee from Israeli army teargas as they gather along Syria's border in a clash today http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/05/article-1394480-0C6A825500000578-761_634x286.jpg Target: Israeli soldiers aiming their weapons today along Syria's border with Israel as demonstrators tried to cut through a line of barbed wire and head into the Israeli-annexed Golan Heights http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/05/article-1394480-0C6A825D00000578-414_634x286.jpg Border alert: Israeli soldiers ready to open fire on the Palestinian protesters as they approach the barbed wire http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/05/article-1394480-0C69860800000578-290_634x356.jpg Demonstration: Syrian and Palestinians unfurl a flag near Israel's barbed wire border fence today Israeli soldiers had shouted ‘anyone who tries to cross the border will be killed’ before opening fire, it was reported. The country’s chief military spokesman, Brigadier-General Yoav Mordechai, said troops had opened fire but he could not confirm any casualties. Israel had been on high alert yesterday – the 44th anniversary of the Middle East war, when Israel captured Golan Heights from Syria – after thousands of Palestinian protesters stormed its borders last month. Several dozen demonstrators had gathered in an anti-tank ditch facing the Israeli frontier. They waved flags, shouted slogans and threw stones. The protests began around 11am with what appeared to be several dozen youths, brought in on buses. It gained strength through the day. By evening, the crowd had swelled to more than 1,000 people, who milled about, prayed and chanted slogans in an uneasy stand-off with Israeli troops in the distance. The army bolstered its positions, posting a dozen armored vehicles and Jeeps along the border road. A small group of youths managed to cut through a recently fortified coil of barbed-wire and took up positions in a trench inside a buffer zone about 20 yards from a final border fence. Israeli troops periodically opened fire at young activists jumping into the ditch, sending puffs of soil flying into the air... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1394480/Golan-Heights-20-Palestinian-protesters-killed-dozens-wounded-Israel-border-clash.html

Did the American woman cross the border?

Threatening the border is stupid and illegal.

Arabs usually send their children up to this to throw rocks to us.
Why don't they do themselves?
Because Arabs are cowards.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 8:33pm:

Did the American woman cross the border?

She did not cross an internationally recognised border. Neither did the protestors.

According to the UN, they were still in Syrian territory.

Golan Heights
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/42/Golan_Heights_Map.PNG

http://superblog.crazyengineers.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Golan-Heights-Israel.jpg

Israel occupies Golan. I have been this very place for the army in my national service.
We have Golan since we were unprovoked attacked by Arab aggressors.

Nabi Saleh protester dies from wounds

Mustafa Tamimi, 28, died this morning at Belinson Hospital after sustaining critical wounds yesterday in the village of Nabi Saleh when an Israeli soldier fired a tear gas canister directly at his head from a short distance.

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Two people console each other after the day’s tragedy

Nabi Saleh, a small Palestinian village near Ramallah, has had much of its land appropriated by the neighboring Jewish settlement of Halamish. After a critical water well was taken by settlers two years ago, local residents of Nabi Saleh began organizing non-violent protests.

**PERSONAL NOTE

Anyone that has ever spent time in Nabi Saleh on Fridays understands the almost personal nature of what happens there. The Tamimi family and the activists that go to support them in their struggle to defend their land are almost always the same core group of people, and the soldiers from the nearby barracks are generally the same as well. Each recognize each other because of their weekly interaction. Every member of the Tamimi family is well known by the Israeli military stationed in the area, and those soldiers who torment and harass them. Acts such as the one that transpired with the malicious killing of Mustafa Tamimi can be viewed as purposeful, at least by the soldier that pulled the trigger. Either targeted at the individual or to break the back of a family that has endured every trial and tribulation to preserve their land and rights, people should understand the personal nature of the death of Mustafa Tamimi, the arrest of Bassem Tamimi, the constant night raids, the arrest and violent interrogation of children, and the whole orchestra of abuse directed at these people.

http://www.orahman.com/?p=315

Jewish settlers 'kill Palestinian girl'

Jewish settlers shot dead a Palestinian girl while attacking homes in the West Bank city of Hebron today after the funeral of an Israeli soldier killed in a roadside ambush, Palestinian witnesses said.

Eight-year-old Neveen Jamjoum was shot while sitting just inside the doorway of her house, her mother said. Palestinian medical sources said nine Palestinians were wounded by gunfire.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-130282/Jewish-settlers-kill-Palestinian-girl.html

Collective punishment: An Israeli tank rolls through the rubble of a Palestinian apartment house in Jenin, April 13, 2002, in the course of Israeli attacks on civilian homes in Jenin, part of the Zionist policy of collective punishment of "Amalek" -- the entire Palestinian nation

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April 17 2002: Red Cross workers cover the remains of a Palestinian woman killed by Israeli soldiers in the Jenin refugee camp

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April 15 2002: Neighbors extract the body of a Palestinian woman, Zoha Ifreiteh, from the rubble of her bulldozed home, after discovering the body of her sister, Rasha, yesterday. The two sisters were killed by the Israelis on April 3, in Nablus.



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Palestinian youths sit atop the rubble that was once their house, surveying the destruction wrought by Israeli bombardment of civilian centers in the West Bank city of Nablus, April 11, 2002



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Pathologists examine the body of a six-year-old Palestinian girl, Somaeah Hassan, who was killed by Israeli soldiers in the Rafah refugee camp, in the Gaza ghetto, April 6, 2002. Israeli soldiers pummeled the refugee camp, killing this six-year-old Palestinian child, a 21-year-old civilian and wounding six others, including four Palestinian schoolgirls.



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Palestinian doctors in a hospital in Hebron, treat eight-year-old Palestinian Ahmed Srayer, who was severely burned in an attack by an Israeli helicopter gunship, April 5, 2002



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An Israeli army stun grenade explodes next to a TV cameraman attempting to report events in Ramallah, April 5, 2002


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An Israeli cop beats a human rights activist, part of a contingent who tried to to deliver food and medical supplies to besieged Palestinian civilians in Ramallah, April 3


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A Palestinian survivor, Sami Abda, sits next to the bodies of his brother Jacoub, 37, and his mother Sumaya, 64, after they were shot to death in their Bethlehem home by Israeli soldiers, April 2, 2002



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Jews gas Arab civilians and medics, Ramallah, April 3, 2002



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Australian woman, Kate Edwards, 26,  is prepared for surgery after being shot by Israeli soldier

Arabs are cowards. Tell me why do they run away from us like scared children?
Throw rocks and run away.

In Cast Lead they ran away from me.
Tell me where are your heroes when we come for them?

I am not asking you who recognised the border Falah, but whether it existed.

A mob rushing a border into a heavily militarised disputed territory is hardly the same thing as what this American woman did. For some reason the example she set is wasted on Muslims. Maybe she died in vain.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:49pm:

I am not asking you who recognised the border Falah, but whether it was there.

Perhaps you could solve Australia's refugee problem Freeliar? Why doesn't Australia just do like Israel and shoot anyone approaching the borders?

Australian says she was shot without warning

April 2 2002

A young Australian woman today said she was shot at without warning by Israeli troops as she held her hands in the air during a peaceful protest in the Middle East.

The woman, who identified herself to Channel Nine as Kate Edwards, 26, was wounded by shrapnel when Israeli troops fired on a West Bank protest in the township of Beit Jala.

The woman, named by another news outlet at Kate Irving, said she was one of six foreigners from the peace group Solidarity International hit when they approached an Israeli armoured personnel carrier while taking part in the demonstration.

Speaking from hospital in Bethlehem, where she underwent surgery overnight, she said the group had been confronted by the armoured vehicle as they walked up a hill towards Israeli positions.

"There started to be sounds of banging, which we thought at first were percussion grenades, which they just use to shock people," she told the Nine Network.

"We started to back off slowly, walking back slowly so that noone got scared or tripped and injured themselves in any way.

"Many of us were holding our hands in the air."

But she said when the group got to a point where the road narrowed they were forced to pause, and the armoured vehicle opened fire.

"I was in the front and I had my hands in the air," Ms Edwards said.

"Then I heard another bang and I felt a pain in my middle, and I just assumed I'd been hit by a percussion grenade, but it turns out that I was actually shot."

She said the group heard no verbal warning from the soldiers, although shots could have been fired in the air.

"There was nothing clear that they weren't just going to be happy with us just backing away," she said.

She said she was now recovering and would not be taking part in any more demonstrations while in Israel.

"I won't be getting into any more dangerous situations while I'm here, because I'll be resting up," Ms Edwards said.

A Frenchman, 54, was hit in the head during the incident. Two Britons, two Americans and a Japanese person were also slightly injured, while a Palestinian was wounded while working as a cameraman for Associated Press Television (APTV).

Israeli officials had no immediate comment and said they were investigating the shooting.

Newsweek journalist Samir Zedan, who was present during the incident, said the protest had been peaceful and watchers did not understand why the Israelis had opened fire.

Jerome Lallemand, an activist for the group International Civic Campaign for the Protection of the Palestinian People who also witnessed the incident, said about 60 people were demonstrating in support of the Palestinians.

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/04/02/1017206193532.html

A mob rushing a border into a heavily militarised disputed territory is hardly the same thing as what this American woman did. For some reason the example she set is lost on Muslims. Maybe she died in vain.

Israeli Soldiers Kill Palestinian, 65, in His Bedroom

HEBRON, West Bank — Israeli soldiers shot and killed an unarmed 65-year-old Palestinian man in his bedroom

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The man’s wife said he was sleeping and she was praying when soldiers burst into the apartment before dawn, entered the bedroom and immediately opened fire. Afterward they asked her for his identity card. She gave her account a few hours later, standing next to the bed, whose mattress, sheets and pillows were soaked in blood. The headboard, an adjacent wardrobe and the ceiling were also spattered with blood and bits of what appeared to be brain matter...

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/world/middleeast/08mideast.html

You still can't figure out what this American woman did that was different, can you Falah?

Are you hoping the multiple separate examples will add up to the same thing?

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:49pm:

I am not asking you who recognised the border Falah, but whether it existed. A mob rushing a border into a heavily militarised disputed territory is hardly the same thing as what this American woman did. For some reason the example she set is wasted on Muslims. Maybe she died in vain.

Arabs are stupid.
They throw rocks at tanks.
They strap bombs to their children.
They run to fortified positions.

They attack Israel then run away and then plead for their land back!

I know the Arabs. They are a stupid people.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:56pm:

You still can't figure out what this American woman did that was different, can you Falah? Are you hoping the multiple separate examples will add up to the same thing?

He is blinded by hatred.

I can understand the people actually living this being blinded by hatred. Where Falah gets it from is anyone's guess.

freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:59pm:

I can understand the people actually living this being blinded by hatred. Where Falah gets it from is anyone's guess.

I live there.
I don't hate them but I think they are cowards.

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A Palestinian child with all his limbs blown off, most likely by a DIME explosive fired by Jewish soldiers. These are experimental explosives created by the US and likely sold to Israel.


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Severed head of a 4-year-old Palestinian "terrorist" buried in rubble after an air attack by Jewish forces in Gaza.



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Two dead Palestinian children, one burned to a crisp by phosphor, the other blown apart by a grenade or DIME bomb fired by Jewish soldiers.



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A Palestinian father, carrying his dead child after another Jewish air attack. Note the child's left side, arms and legs, and part of his head, all blown away by another DIME weapon. Who are the "terrorists"?


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A dead Palestinian child, shot in the face by a Jewish soldier - who was sentenced to 49 days in jail for "violating rules" on killing children - i.e. being photographed while doing it.



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Another Palestinian baby killed when Jewish soldiers shelled his home in the middle of the night.


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Another 2-year-old Gaza child with his body blown to bits.

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A Palestinian child with her head blown away by a Jewish military high-powered weapon


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A dead Palestinian child, shot in the head by a Jewish soldier.


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This baby was shot in the heart by a Jewish sharpshooter. Note how carefully he centered his aim.


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A little Palestinian girl shot in the head by a Jewish soldier.



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An 8-year-old Palestinian boy shot in the head by a Jewish soldier.



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A grieving father, carrying his horribly phosphor-burned child.


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A Palestinian child burnt to a crisp by the Jews' use of phosphor in Gaza.


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Palestinian children killed when Jewish soldiers shelled their home with artillery. The pregnant wife died, too



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A Palestinian father, grieving over the bodies of his three children, killed when Jewish soldiers fired tank rounds into their home.


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freediver wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:59pm:

I can understand the people actually living this being blinded by hatred. Where Falah gets it from is anyone's guess.

He doesn't understand I don't think.
He is one of these people who has never been to Israel.

There are many like him, too far away and show no understanding.

See how he defended the stoning of a young girl. He is misinformed.

It's ok, it's fine with me. I know the truth more than he because I live it as a young boy and as a soldier for 3 years

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:57pm:

He is blinded by hatred.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 9:57pm:

Arabs are stupid...I know the Arabs. They are a stupid people.

And here we have another thread that, after a few pages of discussion, has been swamped by falah posting reports of Jewish attacks on Palestinians, accompanied by explicit pictures of dismembered bodies.  His posts, as usual, only have a tenuous connection, if any at all, with the subject under discussion.

Falah must be one very sick individual if he thinks that this is normal behaviour.

Frances wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 11:10pm:

And here we have another thread that, after a few pages of discussion, has been swamped by falah posting reports of Jewish attacks on Palestinians, accompanied by explicit pictures of dismembered bodies.  His posts, as usual, only have a tenuous connection, if any at all, with the subject under discussion. Falah must be one very sick individual if he thinks that this is normal behaviour.

But he does not criticise Hamas who bomb school buses and fires 300 rockets with no guidance system into Israel. To hit schools synagogues and markets.

Where is his criticism of the constant attacks from Arabs on my country?

Frances wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 11:10pm:

And here we have another thread that, after a few pages of discussion, has been swamped by falah posting reports of Jewish attacks on Palestinians, accompanied by explicit pictures of dismembered bodies.  His posts, as usual, only have a tenuous connection, if any at all, with the subject under discussion. Falah must be one very sick individual if he thinks that this is normal behaviour.

The thread is about the holocaust. There is a holocaust occurring in Palestine.

falah wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 12:00am:

The thread is about the holocaust. There is a holocaust occurring in Palestine.

This thread is (or was, until you got your grubby little fingers on it) about the Jewish Holocaust in WWII.  Why is it that as soon as you see the word "Jew" or "Israel" you start copying and pasting articles and photographs about Israeli attacks on Palestinians?  Why is it that you deliberately post off topic responses that are so lengthy that viewers have to scrolldown half the page of the thread to find a comment that is on topic?

Do you get some sort of sexual gratification from trawling the internet for hours looking for stories about paedophiles and photographs of dismembered children?

Heres the thing (monk voice). Holocaust had nothing to do with muslims. It was germans and they were mostly xtians since everyone was xtian in those days and so was hitler.

Look @ this

Why should the germans pay all this NOW it wasnt even this generation that did it. the word holocaust is being used like the word black person except more so.

SOB

Falah, don't you think after seeing all those dead children from Israeli bombs, the Palestinians might decide that they should stop lobbing rockets into Israel and pretending they are some kind of innocent victim? It is obviously not working for them.

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:35am:

Falah, don't you think after seeing all those dead children from Israeli bombs, the Palestinians might decide that they should stop lobbing rockets into Israel and pretending they are some kind of innocent victim? It is obviously not working for them.

Your very sentence reveals the true ignorance of your position, do not claim to be a supporter of democracy when you spew out that garbage at least.
So if Australia was to be invaded and we defended ourselves via lobbing rockets because its the only method available would we be in the wrong?

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 10:00pm:

freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:59pm: I can understand the people actually living this being blinded by hatred. Where Falah gets it from is anyone's guess. I live there. I don't hate them but I think they are cowards.

When was the last time you took them one on one without a gun in your hand or knife at your waist

The Zionist jews have given me no reason to trust them and 100000 reasons not to trust them.
They present me with an idea and back it up with little to no evidence.
They refuse to answer questions/scrutiny and/or simple and legitimate analysis about their claims.
And insist that it is true simply because they say so.
If anyone else was to do this I would not believe them along with a majority of humans. So I will not stray from logic on this decision either.
I believe that jews were killed in ww2 along with many other people, I see no evidence of gassing so I will not believe that until evidence is presented.
I do not believe that jews were singled out or had genocide aimed at them, they were treated just like anyone else and obviously I do not believe the death figures they give of 6million because simply there is not one reason to believe this.
I also believe that jews profited, funded, supported and maintained the Nazi party and since then have used the proposed events as justification to commit genocide, kill innocent people and oppress entire societies which in my mind is far worse then what they propose about the 'holocaust'
It is clear to see that in our society people dont need much evidence to believe something, this is clear with religion. What defines belief is in this case the fact that other people believe it and that you will probably be outcast if you do dare question or want to understand the events in more detail.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:06am:

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:59pm: I can understand the people actually living this being blinded by hatred. Where Falah gets it from is anyone's guess. I live there. I don't hate them but I think they are cowards. When was the last time you took them one on one without a gun in your hand or knife at your waist

Sorry my friend I have take them on.
I was in Cast Lead. I went in to Gaza only 30 mins after the first air strikes.
Into Gaza down the streets with just 6 of us.
Where were they?
Frightened of us. See. They just brave when they attack our civilians.

My friend I have gone in to face them but they run away.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:26am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 11:06am: Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 10:00pm: freediver wrote on May 21st, 2012 at 9:59pm: I can understand the people actually living this being blinded by hatred. Where Falah gets it from is anyone's guess. I live there. I don't hate them but I think they are cowards. When was the last time you took them one on one without a gun in your hand or knife at your waist Sorry my friend I have take them on. I was in Cast Lead. I went in to Gaza only 30 mins after the first air strikes. Into Gaza down the streets with just 6 of us. Where were they? Frightened of us. See. They just brave when they attack our civilians. My friend I have gone in to face them but they run away.

I guess we have a different idea of what it is to fight like a man here in Australia, I can assure you that it is not walking down residential areas filled with innocent men women and children and threatening their fists with a m4 carbine.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:11am:

I believe that jews were killed in ww2 along with many other people, I see no evidence of gassing so I will not believe that until evidence is presented. I do not believe that jews were singled out or had genocide aimed at them, they were treated just like anyone else and obviously I do not believe the death figures they give of 6million because simply there is not one reason to believe this.

What about the newsreel footage of the camps?  What about the remains of the facilities that still exist today?  What about the eyewitness accounts of the allied soldiers who entered Germany in the closing days of the war?

You asked me when I have gone to take them on.
I told you. Cast Lead. Jan 3. 2009.

6 of us in my unit, minimum IAF support. You know how many of them against 6 of us?

Please. They are cowards.

Frances wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:37am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 11:11am: I believe that jews were killed in ww2 along with many other people, I see no evidence of gassing so I will not believe that until evidence is presented. I do not believe that jews were singled out or had genocide aimed at them, they were treated just like anyone else and obviously I do not believe the death figures they give of 6million because simply there is not one reason to believe this. What about the newsreel footage of the camps?  What about the remains of the facilities that still exist today?  What about the eyewitness accounts of the allied soldiers who entered Germany in the closing days of the war?

As I stated I believe they were treated just like anyone else, and anyone else was also in a camp. I do not see what this proves other then that they were detained like millions of other people. This is common practice in war.

The remains of the facilities are the most damming evidence against the holocaust story because they are not capable of being used to gas people, they lack all the proper infrastructure and were simply not capable of the job; I don't really know what else I can say apart from that, one would think it would be enough.

Eyewitness accounts can not confirm that the holocaust took place

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:39am:

You asked me when I have gone to take them on. I told you. Cast Lead. Jan 3. 2009. 6 of us in my unit, minimum IAF support. You know how many of them against 6 of us? Please. They are cowards.

Terrorist

They fired 45 rockets every day in to our cities.
We had to stop it.

Tell me where were they when we cameto fight man to man?

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:45am:

They fired 45 rockets every day in to our cities. We had to stop it. Tell me where were they when we cameto fight man to man?

Avram,
You disgust me and you are a terrorist.

Answer me.
If they are not cowards why do they fire rockets in to our cities but run away when we come?

Arabs.
CowArds.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:49am:

Answer me. If they are not cowards why do they fire rockets in to our cities but run away when we come? Arabs. CowArds.

I am sorry they don't have the firepower to actually kill more of you terrorists, they have the right to defend themselves and it is courageous that they do so.

Firing rockets with no guidance system at cities is not brave.
You know all of IAF rockets are guided to target?

Sending your teenagers to throw rockets at tanks is not brave.

Running away from us when we come to meet you is not brave.

Hamas are cowards.

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:57am:

Firing rockets with no guidance system at cities is not brave. You know all of IAF rockets are guided to target? Sending your teenagers to throw rockets at tanks is not brave. Running away from us when we come to meet you is not brave. Hamas are cowards.

What are you talking about, you kill thousands more innocent people then them.
They are brave and are you would do exactly the same in their position.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 11:11am:

The Zionist jews have given me no reason to trust them and 100000 reasons not to trust them. They present me with an idea and back it up with little to no evidence. They refuse to answer questions/scrutiny and/or simple and legitimate analysis about their claims. And insist that it is true simply because they say so. If anyone else was to do this I would not believe them along with a majority of humans. So I will not stray from logic on this decision either. I believe that jews were killed in ww2 along with many other people, I see no evidence of gassing so I will not believe that until evidence is presented. I do not believe that jews were singled out or had genocide aimed at them, they were treated just like anyone else and obviously I do not believe the death figures they give of 6million because simply there is not one reason to believe this. I also believe that jews profited, funded, supported and maintained the Nazi party and since then have used the proposed events as justification to commit genocide, kill innocent people and oppress entire societies which in my mind is far worse then what they propose about the 'holocaust' It is clear to see that in our society people dont need much evidence to believe something, this is clear with religion. What defines belief is in this case the fact that other people believe it and that you will probably be outcast if you do dare question or want to understand the events in more detail.

Hmmmm. Yeah. Makes sense to me.

Especially that 6million figure. I find it hard to believe there were that many jews in germany @ that time. Are there that many anywhere now?

SOB

Avram Horowitz wrote on May 21^st, 2012 at 10:00pm:

I live there. I don't hate them but I think they are cowards.

http://www.palestineremembered.com/images/dailymail_humanshield.jpg

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-GsinmNMDHCw/TeU77tyoZPI/AAAAAAAAJec/r6H84T_DfHw/s400/Israeli_soldiers_using_human_shield_Palestinian_children_boy_soldiers.jpg


http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ly60icdY1W1qjeenbo1_500.jpg


http://thewe.cc/thewei/images2/aljazeerah_inf_nov2003_images/terg29.jpg

http://bp0.blogger.com/_cqlNsIZ9IeA/RsBVwTp1g8I/AAAAAAAAAFo/k7ECqP1m7MU/s320/Palestinian+Boy+w+Soldier.jpg

http://shalomrav.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/beit-ummar-boy-20-11-2010-preview1.jpg

http://sydwalker.info/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/israeli_soldier_palestinian_boy.jpg





http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/incoming/article7653613.ece/ALTERNATES/w620/Israeli+soldier.jpg


http://www.sott.net/image/image/s4/99510/full/Nesreen_Hash_hash_hit_in_face1.jpg


http://www.enduringamerica.com/storage/blog-post-images/PALESTINE%2031-03-12%20PALESTINE%20CHILD%20ISRAEL%20SOLDIERS.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1333222204894

http://www.sott.net/image/image/s4/99510/full/Nesreen_Hash_hash_hit_in_face1.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_TmED4DTHvIY/TObNBJa2mSI/AAAAAAAAVJU/0sToTP2MQYc/s1600/pic33.jpg

http://thewe.cc/thewei/&/images3/palestine_2004/mnua19.jpe

http://thewe.cc/thewei/images2/aljazeerah_inf_march2004_images/mva32.jpe

http://thewe.cc/thewei/images2/aljazeerah_inf_march2004_images/news1.jpe

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/images/biddu4a.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bdbA2Ka3Bo

Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread.

SOB

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_aXsxODvgE


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKX5xdaUAa0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld3RdZVvpfg


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNFAzN3CXH0

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread. SOB

There is a holocaust in Palestine.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 1:03pm:

Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread.

This behaviour is all part of falah's grand plan.  He is swamping the forum with this stuff in order to make himself as objectionable as possible and thus increase the West's hatred of Islam.

Frances wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:03pm: Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread. This behaviour is all part of falah's grand plan.  He is swamping the forum with this stuff in order to make himself as objectionable as possible and thus increase the West's hatred of Islam.

Do you think that if the issues me and him raise were properly addressed and legitimately responded to we would have to keep making the point?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:26pm:

Frances wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:03pm: Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread. This behaviour is all part of falah's grand plan.  He is swamping the forum with this stuff in order to make himself as objectionable as possible and thus increase the West's hatred of Islam. Do you think that if the issues me and him raise were properly addressed and legitimately responded to we would have to keep making the point?

Its just all those pictures i object to. Makes my computer jerky. (Now that he explained).

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:28pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:26pm: Frances wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:12pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:03pm: Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread. This behaviour is all part of falah's grand plan.  He is swamping the forum with this stuff in order to make himself as objectionable as possible and thus increase the West's hatred of Islam. Do you think that if the issues me and him raise were properly addressed and legitimately responded to we would have to keep making the point? Its just all those pictures i object to. Makes my computer jerky. (Now that he explained). SOB

Well like I said he wouldnt have to post them if people could accept reality

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:28pm:

Its just all those pictures i object to. Makes my computer jerky. (Now that he explained).

I saw them late last night.  Not the sort of thing you want to look at just before you go to bed....

Frances wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:53pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:28pm: Its just all those pictures i object to. Makes my computer jerky. (Now that he explained). I saw them late last night.  Not the sort of thing you want to look at just before you go to bed....

lucky your not living it I guess

Frances wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:12pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 1:03pm: Do you have to post that carp in this thread? Take it to the israel thread. This is the holocaust thread. This behaviour is all part of falah's grand plan.  He is swamping the forum with this stuff in order to make himself as objectionable as possible and thus increase the West's hatred of Islam.

Pictures of atrocities committed by Jews should make Christians hate muslim?

Make sense?

http://www.torontorealtyblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/nosense1.JPG

Ok I get it. Never complain about something or you will cop way more of it because nobody here is going to be considerate.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:21pm:

Ok I get it. Never complain about something or you will cop way more of it because nobody here is going to be considerate. SOB

I would say feel free to complain about something after you have proactively tried to deal with it.

When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others?

To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site?

Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour?

Ok so he is a terrorist, of jewish origin.
Happy?

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:50pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Ok so he is a terrorist, of jewish origin. Happy?

Aside from the fact he is not a terrorist...

He is a guy who from what I can see, served in the army.
Like 98% of his countrymen.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:59pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Ok so he is a terrorist, of jewish origin. Happy? Aside from the fact he is not a terrorist... He is a guy who from what I can see, served in the army. Like 98% of his countrymen.

Well he does seem to want to kill all palestinians. And have you read the israel/palestinians thread?

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:59pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Ok so he is a terrorist, of jewish origin. Happy? Aside from the fact he is not a terrorist... He is a guy who from what I can see, served in the army. Like 98% of his countrymen.

Well he is a terrorist by the dictionary definition.
By your logic the nazis actions were appropriate because they were in an army like most of their countrymen?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 4:02pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:59pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Ok so he is a terrorist, of jewish origin. Happy? Aside from the fact he is not a terrorist... He is a guy who from what I can see, served in the army. Like 98% of his countrymen. Well he does seem to want to kill all palestinians. And have you read the israel/palestinians thread? SOB

Strange because I must be missing some of these posts of his.
The ones I have read he stated he tries to act even handedly to both sides and has a track record of warning and arresting Jewish settlers on the West Bank??

Not sure which thread but I have read that from him.

He seems a pretty moderate Israeli from what I can see.
Bear in mind that in that highly sensitive region, his level of acceptance would be different to ours.

Meanwhile PP has called all Jews scum, racially abused Avram (which to his credit he ignores), stated Israelis should be shot and cheered nail bombers on buses.

Go figure.

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 4:06pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 4:02pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:59pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:50pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Ok so he is a terrorist, of jewish origin. Happy? Aside from the fact he is not a terrorist... He is a guy who from what I can see, served in the army. Like 98% of his countrymen. Well he does seem to want to kill all palestinians. And have you read the israel/palestinians thread? SOB Strange because I must be missing some of these posts of his. The ones I have read he stated he tries to act even handedly to both sides and has a track record of warning and arresting Jewish settlers on the West Bank?? Not sure which thread but I have read that from him. He seems a pretty moderate Israeli from what I can see. Bear in mind that in that highly sensitive region, his level of acceptance would be different to ours. Meanwhile PP has called all Jews scum, racially abused Avram (which to his credit he ignores), stated Israelis should be shot and cheered nail bombers on buses. Go figure.

Words are words, actions are actions.
Avram has killed innocent people and/or assisted in.
Israel has killed thousands of innocent people and been committing genocide and apartheid oppression for decades.

A moderate israeli is still a terrorist.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 2:56pm:

Frances wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:53pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 2:28pm: Its just all those pictures i object to. Makes my computer jerky. (Now that he explained). I saw them late last night.  Not the sort of thing you want to look at just before you go to bed.... lucky your not living it I guess

I have lived it and no thanks. Memory not as good as it used to be as i age but that stuff stays.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:21pm: Ok I get it. Never complain about something or you will cop way more of it because nobody here is going to be considerate. SOB I would say feel free to complain about something after you have proactively tried to deal with it.

Heh. It was sarcasm because his big post was of jokes but it had the same effect on this stupid laptop as the other pictures.

SOB

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 3:38pm:

When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour?

Why is it fine to insult anyone and everyone EXCEPT for jews?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 5:14pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Why is it fine to insult anyone and everyone EXCEPT for jews? SOB

I didn't say that.
I said he was insulting to Jewish people on his comments, I made no reference to others did I?

Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 5:26pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 5:14pm: Andrei.Hicks wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 3:38pm: When are you ever going to learn to behave in a matter which is acceptable to others? To actually debate a point without referring to foul anti-semitism which is offensive to anybody Jewish who would read this site? Do you have to be banned about 1,000 times before you adjust your behaviour? Why is it fine to insult anyone and everyone EXCEPT for jews? SOB I didn't say that. I said he was insulting to Jewish people on his comments, I made no reference to others did I?

Nope. But I havent seen you defending others either. And there is a lot to defend in this forum if you are going to defend a group or person.

Are all jews terrorists? Are all muslims terrorists? Are all americans terrorists? Are all palestinains terrorists? Are all extremists terrorists? Are all arabs terrorists? Are all xtians terrorists?

Are all killers of ppl in the name of religion terrorists?

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 4:05pm:

Well he is a terrorist by the dictionary definition. By your logic the nazis actions were appropriate because they were in an army like most of their countrymen?

Dictionary definitions of words like terrorist are not very useful.

The United Nations General Assembly has been negotiating a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism. The definition of the crime of terrorism, which has been on the negotiating table since 2002 reads as follows:


Quote:

"1. Any person commits an offence within the meaning of this Convention if that person, by any means, unlawfully and intentionally, causes:         (a) Death or serious bodily injury to any person; or         (b) Serious damage to public or private property, including a place of public use, a State or government facility, a public transportation system, an infrastructure facility or the environment; or         (c) Damage to property, places, facilities, or systems referred to in paragraph 1 (b) of this article, resulting or likely to result in major economic loss, when the purpose of the conduct, by its nature or context, is to intimidate a population, or to compel a Government or an international organization to do or abstain from doing any act."

Of course, that's a draft which nobody has yet agreed to. It's one of these words that are difficult to pin down (like Religion).

Let's say a kid intentionally kicks a ball in a public schoolyard and breaks a window at the school. That would be terrorism according to that definition. The window is public property, and it was definitely seriously damaged. 

Everybody has their own idea of what terrorism is, but there is no universally accepted definition.


Quote:

In Australia, what constitutes an act of terrorism is defined in Commonwealth legislation. The Criminal Code Act 1995 states that a terrorist act means an action or threat of action where the action causes certain defined forms of harm or interference and the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause. Further, the Act states that 'the action is done or the threat is made with the intention of: i. coercing, or influencing by intimidation, the government of the Commonwealth or a State, Territory or foreign country, or part of a State, Territory or foreign country; or ii. intimidating the public or a section of the public; and where the action (a) causes serious harm that is physical harm to a person; or (b) causes serious damage to property; or (c) causes a person's death; or (d) endangers a person's life, other than the life of the person taking the action; or (e) creates a serious risk to the health or safety of the public or a section of the public; or (f) seriously interferes with, seriously disrupts, or destroys, an electronic system including, but not limited to: (i) an information system; or (ii) a telecommunications system; or (iii) a financial system; or (iv) a system used for the delivery of essential government services; or (v) a system used for, or by, an essential public utility; or (vi) a system used for, or by, a transport system. The Criminal Code makes it an offence if a person commits a terrorist act, provides or receives training connected with terrorist acts, possesses a thing connected with terrorist acts, collects or makes documents likely to facilitate terrorist acts, or does any act in preparation for or planning of terrorist acts. The penalty for engaging in a terrorist act is life imprisonment. The penalty for other terrorism-related offences outlined above ranges from ten years to life imprisonment.

http://www.dfat.gov.au/publications/terrorism/chapter1.html

Come on Muso,
I wasn't the one who started using this word.
Your telling me we have been using this word more then any other word for the last decade and don't even know what it means??

You know he is a terrorist, remove your emotion and review the facts; you cannot deny it.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 9:47am:

Come on Muso, I wasn't the one who started using this word. Your telling me we have been using this word more then any other word for the last decade and don't even know what it means?? You know he is a terrorist, remove your emotion and review the facts; you cannot deny it.

OK, a terrorist is usually non government and fighting assymmetrical warfare. So the French Resistance were terrorists, but the Nazi occupying army were not.  Make sense?

It's an emotive term that has no agreed definition.

muso wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 9:57am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 9:47am: Come on Muso, I wasn't the one who started using this word. Your telling me we have been using this word more then any other word for the last decade and don't even know what it means?? You know he is a terrorist, remove your emotion and review the facts; you cannot deny it. OK, a terrorist is usually non government and fighting assymmetrical warfare. So the French Resistance were terrorists, but the Nazi occupying army were not.  Make sense? It's an emotive term that has no agreed definition.

Government forces have been called terrorists before, who or what they represent has no bearing in the word and if it does it defeats the purpose.
Most 'asymmetrical warfare' as you put it is not by choice but set by their military limitations but this has no bearing.

A person defending their homeland is not a terrorist and the nazis are the terrorists in that instance.

Quote:

OK, a terrorist is usually non government and fighting assymmetrical warfare. So the French Resistance were terrorists, but the Nazi occupying army were not.  Make sense?

Ok so the israelis are nazis then.

SOB

So are the Normans.  They should all be evicted from the UK by force.  Then there's European Australians.....

Where do you draw the line?

muso wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:37am:

So are the Normans.  They should all be evicted from the UK by force.  Then there's European Australians..... Where do you draw the line?

Well the difference here is the timeline.
This happened in the 20th century where we claim to be good people.
Also they are the ones complaining about genocide just so they can go do it themselves.
Hypocrites are what I hate most.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:02am:

muso wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 9:57am: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 9:47am: Come on Muso, I wasn't the one who started using this word. Your telling me we have been using this word more then any other word for the last decade and don't even know what it means?? You know he is a terrorist, remove your emotion and review the facts; you cannot deny it. OK, a terrorist is usually non government and fighting assymmetrical warfare. So the French Resistance were terrorists, but the Nazi occupying army were not.  Make sense? It's an emotive term that has no agreed definition. Government forces have been called terrorists before, who or what they represent has no bearing in the word and if it does it defeats the purpose. Most 'asymmetrical warfare' as you put it is not by choice but set by their military limitations but this has no bearing. A person defending their homeland is not a terrorist and the nazis are the terrorists in that instance.

- and that's precisely why the UN has not been able to reach an agreement on the definition of terrorism.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:49am:

muso wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:37am: So are the Normans.  They should all be evicted from the UK by force.  Then there's European Australians..... Where do you draw the line? Well the difference here is the timeline. This happened in the 20th century where we claim to be good people. Also they are the ones complaining about genocide just so they can go do it themselves. Hypocrites are what I hate most.

They claimed to be good people well before the 20th Century. The Age of Reason started some time around the late 18th Century (and ended in the early 21st.  :P  )  Why don't we just change all historical invasions and occupations?

muso wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:20am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:02am: muso wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 9:57am: bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 9:47am: Come on Muso, I wasn't the one who started using this word. Your telling me we have been using this word more then any other word for the last decade and don't even know what it means?? You know he is a terrorist, remove your emotion and review the facts; you cannot deny it. OK, a terrorist is usually non government and fighting assymmetrical warfare. So the French Resistance were terrorists, but the Nazi occupying army were not.  Make sense? It's an emotive term that has no agreed definition. Government forces have been called terrorists before, who or what they represent has no bearing in the word and if it does it defeats the purpose. Most 'asymmetrical warfare' as you put it is not by choice but set by their military limitations but this has no bearing. A person defending their homeland is not a terrorist and the nazis are the terrorists in that instance. - and that's precisely why the UN has not been able to reach an agreement on the definition of terrorism.

Well if what Israel is doing is not terrorism the only other word that suits it is genocide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_P5AgrZnuc4#!

What's the problem.-Mans inhumanity to man goes back all through history, only the scale changes. People are pretty disgusting especially when they hide behind religion.

bludger wrote on Jun 1^st, 2012 at 6:39pm:

What's the problem.-Mans inhumanity to man goes back all through history, only the scale changes. People are pretty disgusting especially when they hide behind religion.

And when they use the holocaust as an excuse to commit atrocities on others.

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