Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

I thought this was dealt with on here..


is it still in the market place it seemed to have disappeared from the news..better ask buzz and pansi as far as I know they were first to put their hands up..

btw it was $300 pw for two

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:32pm:

Righty27 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians. I thought this was dealt with on here.. is it still in the market place it seemed to have disappeared from the news..better ask buzz and pansi as far as I know they were first to put their hands up.. btw it was $300 pw for two

Why isn't a similar scheme in place for homeless. Why do you think that this is okay?

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:35pm:

cods wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:32pm: Righty27 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians. I thought this was dealt with on here.. is it still in the market place it seemed to have disappeared from the news..better ask buzz and pansi as far as I know they were first to put their hands up.. btw it was $300 pw for two Why isn't a similar scheme in place for homeless. Why do you think that this is okay?

I didnt say it was... OK... I just expect all those that think its ok for people smugglers to make a fortune out of people should put their hands up. and do the right thing.. in fact I am shocked that this govt could even come up with such a scheme...its rank it really is..

they have stuffed up then they use taxpayers money in the hope this appalling idea will make it all go away..


some bloody hope.

as you say we have enough of our own homeless that we do precious little for..

yet now its put your hand up for wealthy young men who can afford to pay people smugglers..so they can cross our borders ahead of many others..

The Vice trading sleaze Government and the Corporate maggot see more potential value in their precious cargo of illegal victims of injustice as consumers, than they do in homeless Australian natives....

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians.

They do. In Victoria its called Housing Commission:

http://www.dhs.vic.gov.au/for-individuals/housing-and-accommodation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_Commission_of_Victoria

In NSW they have something similar:

http://www.housing.nsw.gov.au/

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

matty get your facts straight they are not illegal immigrants.

falah wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 11:31pm:

Righty27 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. They do. In Victoria its called Housing Commission: http://www.dhs.vic.gov.au/for-individuals/housing-and-accommodation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Housing_Commission_of_Victoria In NSW they have something similar: http://www.housing.nsw.gov.au/

The official policy of the Victorian Housing commission is that if you speak English, you will not get a house.  The Victorian Housing commission exists to look after the worlds victims of injustice for the corporate maggot. 8-)

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

Are you advocating a similar scheme should be used to help ameliorate our homeless problem. We have an international commitment to help the asylum seekers that arrive on our shores. If the department of immigration thinks outside the square and comes up with a way of reducing the financial burden of this commitment, what has this got to do with our neglect of the homeless.

The saying charity begins at home has been twisted to mean charity stops at home. If something begins here it must end some place other than here. Think about it.

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

I started a discussion on this forum called "Why should we...." have a look.
I agree with you. It's an absolute joke! We are paying to look after these illegal immigrants (and yes they are illegal because they come here on a boat without declaring it).... It's hard enough to support yourself and your family let alone other people who mean nothing to us.
If the roles were reversed would we get the same treatment in their country? NO CHANCE! Probably get shot on the spot for trying to come into the country they way they do here!

MOTR wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 6:34am:

Righty27 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians. Are you advocating a similar scheme should be used to help ameliorate our homeless problem. We have an international commitment to help the asylum seekers that arrive on our shores. If the department of immigration thinks outside the square and comes up with a way of reducing the financial burden of this commitment, what has this got to do with our neglect of the homeless. The saying charity begins at home has been twisted to mean charity stops at home. If something begins here it must end some place other than here. Think about it.

What people mean by that is we can't just go handing out money willie-nillie... The average Australian can't afford that. So it clearly means... you look after your family first

MOTR wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 6:34am:

Righty27 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians. The saying charity begins at home has been twisted to mean charity stops at home.

Yes.

Quote:

It's hard enough to support yourself and your family let alone other people who mean nothing to us.

Mean nothing to you. They mean something to me.

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

Yes, Matty, but they still have marvellous animal welfare policies.

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant ...

Simple answer: they're not.

You've been misinformed on this matter.

The policy has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:33am:

Righty27 wrote on May 17th, 2012 at 9:29pm: Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant ... Simple answer: they're not. You've been misinformed on this matter. The policy has nothing to do with illegal immigrants.

You're wrong, Meat. Righty heard this on David Oldfield's program.

Why would he and Alan lie?

Once again matty, all you've done is prove that you are pig ignorant by choice. They are not illegal immigrants and this has been explained to you countless times.

Gist wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Once again matty, all you've done is prove that you are pig ignorant by choice. They are not illegal immigrants and this has been explained to you countless times.

Gist, Righty doesn't even know who Matty is. Also, Righty is a lady.

It's true that Righty wants to become a specialist and earn $180,000 a year, but there are many women with similar aspirations.

I would have no problems with Matty going out with a nice, sensible girl like Righty - as long as they were appropriately supervised.

It's that awful Juliar I have a problem with, as I'm sure you'll agree. That woman is poison. 

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

If they were "illegal immigrants" as you say then the govt wouldn't be putting them up would they? They would be arrested instead.

SOB

CommonSense wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 10:23am:

It's an absolute joke! We are paying to look after these illegal immigrants (and yes they are illegal because they come here on a boat without declaring it)....

Nope, you're completely wrong there.

It's classified as unauthorised entry.  It is not illegal, and they are not illegal immigrants.  You seem to be a little confused on the issue.

"The UN Refugee Convention (to which Australia is a
signatory) recognises that refugees have a right to
enter a country for the purposes of seeking asylum,
regardless of how they arrive or whether they hold
valid travel or identity documents. The Convention
stipulates that what would usually be considered as
illegal actions (e.g. entering a country without a visa)
should not be treated as illegal if a person is seeking
asylum. This means that it is incorrect to refer to
asylum seekers who arrive without authorisation as
“illegal”, as they in fact have a right to enter Australia
to seek asylum.

"In line with our obligations under the Convention,
Australian law also permits unauthorised entry into
Australia for the purposes of seeking asylum. Asylum
seekers do not break any Australian laws simply by
arriving on boats or without authorisation."

http://www.refugeecouncil.org.au/docs/news&events/rw/2011_RW_ResourceKit_Ch4.pdf

Simple facts.

Not illegal immigrants.

The Vice Industries require ever more consumers playing the pokies, buying burgers ect.

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

...  yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians.

There are already a variety of schemes in place for homeless Australians.

For example:

"People experiencing homelessness may access a wide range of general government services, including:

•General health services
•Drug rehabilitation programs
•General community services
•Housing assistance"

http://www.aihw.gov.au/homelessness/


"There are many programs run by government and voluntary organisations that aim to tackle homelessness by providing advice, financial support, a place to stay and other assistance.

"SAAP is a joint Federal and State Government support program targeting people who are homeless or at risk of homelessness through a range of accommodation and support services.

"The following organisations provide emergency and crisis accommodation for young people:

•The Salvation Army
•Melbourne City Mission - Stopover Youth Refuge
•Western Region Accommodation Program
•St Vincent de Paul Society - Housing and Homeless Services
•Crisis Help Network Melbourne Homeless Services  - see the section under 'Crisis Accommodation Melbourne and Homeless Accommodation Victoria'

"The Victorian Government's Department of Human Services provides housing and support for those most in need. Their website provides links to support services and assistance programs for people who are homeless, at risk of homelessness or escaping family violence."

http://www.youthcentral.vic.gov.au/Housing+&+Accommodation/Homelessness/

I work part-time in a homeless refuge, and we turn away people who don't have Australian residency. It's SAAP policy. People on tourist visas are invited to seek assistance from their national consulate.

It's impossible for "illegal" immigrants to get services. They either stay underground, get deported, or ask for refugee status and wait.

Until you have a bridging or residential visa, you don't get access to state-funded services.

The illegal immigrants that the Green and the ALP smuggle across the borders take up valuable services and funding that could go to homeless and impoverished Australian victims. 8-)

corporate_whitey wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

The illegal immigrants that the Green and the ALP smuggle across the borders take up valuable services and funding that could go to homeless and impoverished Australian victims. 8-)

And we often have spare beds that aren't used by impoverished Australian victims.

Quote:

I work part-time in a homeless refuge, and we turn away people who don't have Australian residency. It's SAAP policy.

Do you know why?

corporate_whitey wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:59pm:

The illegal immigrants that the Green and the ALP smuggle across the borders take up valuable services and funding that could go to homeless and impoverished Australian victims. 8-)

No political party in Australia is smuggling illegal immigrants across the borders.

You have been misinformed.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:09pm:

Quote: I work part-time in a homeless refuge, and we turn away people who don't have Australian residency. It's SAAP policy. Do you know why?

For the same reasons the knuckleheads are bleating on about here. SAAP homeless services are for residents of NSW.

I've even turned back Victorian or Queensland residents for the same reason. They're meant to be in NSW for a certain period - I think it's 2 months.

Homeless services are not designed for travellers or backpackers or illegal immigrants. They're for people in crisis.

You also need to pay for your board, so you need - at the very least - a Centrelink income.

Illegal immigrants aren't entitled to Centrelink benefits.

The service I work for is a homeless accommodation service. It's the same as any other homeless service - a charity run by the large churches and funded by the NSW/Federal governments under the SAAP program.

These services are coordinated, meet regularly, and are aware of the populations they serve. They run longer-term supported housing programs, and these are also restricted to Australian residents.

There are some very small refugee programs also run by the churches and some volunteer groups. To my knowledge, the funding for these programs is miniscule. They run off goodwill and the scent of an oily rag.

If I knew of any large, well-funded immigrant program that houses hundreds of illegal boat people, I'd try to get our clients in there too.

With the exception of detention centres, I don't.

A lot of these invaders are in touch with the Green and the ALP by mobile even before they land to tell the Navy where to pick them up and organize legal. 8-)

Righty27 wrote on May 17^th, 2012 at 9:29pm:

Why is the government offering to pay people $300 a week to take in an illegal immigrant, yet they are not providing the same scheme for homeless Australians. It beggars belief. Why are they more important than our own? I bet that it's another Green policy, just like the carbon tax was. The Greens seem hell bent on destroying this great country, and for some reason seem to value the lives of these bludging parasites more than Australians.

Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that? They get Centrelink, all sorts of welfare and other assistance so they never need to work again. Why wouldn't they vote for the Greens or Labor?

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that? They get Centrelink, all sorts of welfare and other assistance so they never need to work again. Why wouldn't they vote for the Greens or Labor?

Incorrect.

Illegal immigrants are not accepted into this country.

They're illegal   ::)

Seriously, when will you ignorant people learn the difference between asylum seekers, refugees, and illegal immigrants?  You're just making fools of yourselves.

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:54pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that? They get Centrelink, all sorts of welfare and other assistance so they never need to work again. Why wouldn't they vote for the Greens or Labor? Incorrect. Illegal immigrants are not accepted into this country. They're illegal   ::) Seriously, when will you ignorant people learn the difference between asylum seekers, refugees, and illegal immigrants?  You're just making fools of yourselves.

Riiiggghhhtttt. No answer to what I said, I see. Just a lame argument over terminology.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that? They get Centrelink, all sorts of welfare and other assistance so they never need to work again. Why wouldn't they vote for the Greens or Labor? Incorrect. Illegal immigrants are not accepted into this country. They're illegal   ::) Seriously, when will you ignorant people learn the difference between asylum seekers, refugees, and illegal immigrants?  You're just making fools of yourselves. Riiiggghhhtttt. No answer to what I said, I see. Just a lame argument over terminology.

It's not a lame argument over terminology at all: it's the absolute truth.

Illegal immigrants are not accepted into this country and they do not receive welfare.

What is it that you don't understand?  I can talk you through each bit if you like.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that?

OK, let's look at this a little closer:

1. In order to vote, one must be on the electoral roll.
2. Illegal immigrants can not be put onto an electoral roll.

Thus, your question makes no sense. 

If illegal immigrants have no way of voting (they simply will not be handed ballot papers on election day), how exactly are they a "potential new vote for the Greens or Labor"?

Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal.

People smugglers suck.

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal.

I think these people might not agree with you:

http://www.cruisedirect.co.uk/

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:10pm:

Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal. People smugglers suck.

P&O might have something to say about your new law

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:54pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that? They get Centrelink, all sorts of welfare and other assistance so they never need to work again. Why wouldn't they vote for the Greens or Labor? Incorrect. Illegal immigrants are not accepted into this country. They're illegal   ::) Seriously, when will you ignorant people learn the difference between asylum seekers, refugees, and illegal immigrants?  You're just making fools of yourselves. Riiiggghhhtttt. No answer to what I said, I see. Just a lame argument over terminology.

Forget the terminology, let's just look at the facts (and answer your question):

a) in order to vote, one must be on the electoral roll
b) illegal immigrants can not be put onto an electoral roll

Ok, now to your question (ignoring the fact that illegal immigrants aren't actually accepted into this country):

Q: "Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor - didn't you know that?"

A: No, I didn't know that at all.

However, I'd love to hear your reasoning.  How exactly can someone be a "potential new vote", for any political party, if they can not be included on the electoral roll?    :-/

The Government and the Western aristocracy are scum, they always screw the working class, and the Aboriginal people and they all have syphilis too especially the Green and the ALP. 8-) :D

Guess what the Green and the ALP invented Terra Nullus and the White Australia policy and the 19th century poor houses... 8-)

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal. I think these people might not agree with you: http://www.cruisedirect.co.uk/

Why do you support people smuggling?

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal. People smugglers suck. P&O might have something to say about your new law

P&O? Is that some sort of people smuggling organisation? :-/

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:28pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:14pm: [quote author=58657969650A0 link=1337254149/34#34 date=1337321442Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal People smugglers suck. P&O might have something to say about your new law

P&O? Is that some sort of people smuggling organisation? :-/
[/quote]

Your not allowed to bring paying customers into the country by boat coz that make u a people smuggler  ;D

Got to have more paying customers for the Grfeen McDonalds that they put in the working class suburbs...
http://www.logoguru.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/mcdonalds.jpg 8-)

FriYAY wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:27pm:

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:14pm: FriYAY wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal. I think these people might not agree with you: http://www.cruisedirect.co.uk/ Why do you support people smuggling?

Cruisedirect is the cruising arm of Barrhead Travel.

I don't think they're smugglers.

You could ask them though:

http://www.cruisedirect.co.uk/contact-us

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:14pm:

FriYAY wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:10pm: Paying people to bring you to OZ by boat should be illegal. People smugglers suck. P&O might have something to say about your new law

;D ;D ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:48pm:

Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor ...

http://www.aec.gov.au/Enrolling_to_vote/Eligibility.htm

I can't see "illegal immigrants" under "Who is eligible to enrol?".

If they can't enrol, how can they vote?   :-/

Uncle Meat wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:12pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:48pm: Every new illegal immigrant accepted into this country is a potential new vote for the Greens or Labor ... http://www.aec.gov.au/Enrolling_to_vote/Eligibility.htm I can't see "illegal immigrants" under "Who is eligible to enrol?". If they can't enrol, how can they vote?   :-/

No answer?