The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that.


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COMMONWEALTH lawyers have cast doubts on the motives of James Ashby, the staffer who accused Peter Slipper of sexual harassment and rorting taxi expenses, saying his case appears designed to maximise media coverage and that there was no initial attempt at conciliation. In a statement filed in the Federal Court last night, the lawyers say there were ''a number of ways'' for Mr Ashby to settle his grievances with Mr Slipper and they dispute his claim he had to go straight to the court because the matter was ''urgent''. The statement said he made no attempt to warn Mr Slipper, any other federal employee or any relevant government department that he intended to commence proceedings seeking damages for breach of contract. It said he filed an application unsupported by affidavit or statement of claim at 4.30pm on April 20, and it was the first time Mr Slipper knew of complaints. Lawyers suggest the story was given to the tabloids at the same time or soon after to enable it to be splashed all over the front page the next day and put online. They also point out that when Mr Ashby withdrew the claims of Cabcharge misuse this week, the media were informed before Mr Slipper. The lawyers responded on the same day that Mr Ashby lodged a separate complaint in the Australian Human Rights Commission against the Foreign Minster, Bob Carr, and the Nationals Senator Barnaby Joyce for questioning the authenticity of his claims. Neither Senator Joyce nor Senator Carr was perturbed. Senator Joyce said he was not taking sides and Mr Ashby ''can do what he likes''. Through his lawyers, Mr Ashby said senators Carr and Joyce ''should leave it to the court to pass judgment'' on Mr Ashby's allegations and ''should not use their high office to demean our client for their political ends or otherwise''. Early this month, Senator Carr implied Mr Ashby's claims were politically motivated. He tweeted ''This Ashby seems more rehearsed than a Kabuki actor''. In an interview with the Herald, Senator Joyce cast doubt on Mr Ashby's bona fides after it emerged he met three times with Mr Slipper's sworn political enemy, the former Howard government minister Mal Brough. Senator Joyce said if Mr Brough was ''going to play marriage guidance counsellor'', he should have heard both sides of the story before advising Mr Ashby on what action to take. He said Mr Ashby ''seems only slightly less dodgy than Slipper'' Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/ashbys-motives-over-slipper-allegations-dubious-say-lawyers-20120517-1ytnw.html#ixzz1vAe73xWZ

Heh when the bottom is reached everything will go back to normal and nobody in the libs will answer anything.

SOB

Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing.

Maybe you put the wrong information up skip.

so he has dropped the cabcharges because they come under a different heading...to his sexual harassment case.. they cant be tied in together..


as for the other claims he should have done this and he could have done that..


is it LAW that one goes through these processes first.. or else your case is null and void???

I have asked this on another thread..

I am interested as the D.J.s harassment case is still fresh in my mind..and I dont see where there should be on e rule for the peasants and one for pollies..

after all we have no idea what stress this young man was under..and to say there are all these avenues out there!!!


.... what about whistleblowers???? I have read of some terrible things that have happened to them once they go to the so called top.

He withdrew the cab charge accusation from his civil case because the police have launched a criminal investigation. The charges haven't gone away - they are being handled by police.


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The fact the Cabcharge allegations were raised in Mr Ashby's originating application has already prompted the Australian Federal Police to launch an investigation into the use of travel entitlements by Mr Slipper, the Speaker of federal Parliament, which could still result in separate criminal charges. In a statement last night Mr Ashby's media adviser said ''by continuing to include the Cabcharge issues in the civil action, once a formal criminal investigation is underway, could be detrimental to Mr Ashby's civil claim, by significantly delaying it until the conclusion of the potential criminal matters''.

That was 2 days ago. SO the cab charges are still being under criminal investigation by police.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/cabcharge-claims-cut-from-slipper-civil-lawsuit-20120515-1yp2w.html#ixzz1vAvB6OWr

I still didnt get what the cab charge had to do with Ashbys civil case, as Ashby was not affect by it.

It was done to gain additional media attention.

I don't think that it is, skippy. He has only dropped the cab charge accusations, nothing else. I wish that people would have some more compassion for the young man. We don't know what he's suffered, and he may be really depressed and distraught. Shame on Carr and Joyce for their insensitive comments.

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I don't think that it is, skippy. He has only dropped the cab charge accusations, nothing else. I wish that people would have some more compassion for the young man. We don't know what he's suffered, and he may be really depressed and distraught. Shame on Carr and Joyce for their insensitive comments.

Poor lad was so distressed and distraught that he said nothing to anyone. Then ran off to his employer's opponents to tell them his sob story. Poor lad. So distraught that he just HAD to tell the media first before anyone else all about his troubles.

If I was having an issue, that's where I'd go to get it sorted, I'm sure. The media. Yep, no question about it.  >:(

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I don't think that it is, skippy. He has only dropped the cab charge accusations, nothing else. I wish that people would have some more compassion for the young man. We don't know what he's suffered, and he may be really depressed and distraught. Shame on Carr and Joyce for their insensitive comments.

Oh please, compassion for this person , you're kidding right?
It seems Ashby is not all he claims, there are stories similar to this appearing about him regularly.

http://www.vexnews.com/2012/05/life-of-the-party-james-ashby-accused-of-procuring-unwitting-young-men-for-hiv-positive-millionaire-mate-for-pleasure-palace-partying/

progressiveslol wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:29am:

Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing. Maybe you put the wrong information up skip.

No speculation,just facts that the Libs have been busted lying their arses off again. Slipper has already released the cab charge dockets from that time,so nothing there. All just a beat up,and you rightards are proving what conniving trash you are. As for the civil case, its all he said she said, with Ashby the obvious SHE in this case. Not to mention Ashby is on record as flirting with Slipper on those mobile calls, its a lovers tiff gone wrong, if you rightards want to have Slipper kicked out for being a closet gay you'd best kick out Pyne and phony Tony with him. ::)

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 12:37pm:

I don't think that it is, skippy. He has only dropped the cab charge accusations, nothing else. I wish that people would have some more compassion for the young man. We don't know what he's suffered, and he may be really depressed and distraught. Shame on Carr and Joyce for their insensitive comments.

the murdoch media said last night that he dropped the sexual harassment as well. Who knows if thats the case though.

SOB

Unlikely, SOB. The case is underway today...

Gist and Scope - who knows what goes through the mind of a sexual harassment victim? I don't see anything wrong with what he did. Do you care to explain?

Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see?

I am not being partisan on this issue, I think that Joyce was insensitive in his comments as well. I just want to see justice done. Nothing more, nothing less.

skippy. wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 1:30pm:

progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:29am: Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing. Maybe you put the wrong information up skip. No speculation,just facts that the Libs have been busted lying their arses off again. Slipper has already released the cab charge dockets from that time,so nothing there. All just a beat up,and you rightards are proving what conniving trash you are. As for the civil case, its all he said she said, with Ashby the obvious SHE in this case. Not to mention Ashby is on record as flirting with Slipper on those mobile calls, its a lovers tiff gone wrong, if you rightards want to have Slipper kicked out for being a closet gay you'd best kick out Pyne and phony Tony with him. ::)

Where? I've read every single message in the court documents that are freely available online and not one even insinuates flirtation on Ashby's side. You have a vivid imagination!

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:29am: Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing. Maybe you put the wrong information up skip. No speculation,just facts that the Libs have been busted lying their arses off again. Slipper has already released the cab charge dockets from that time,so nothing there. All just a beat up,and you rightards are proving what conniving trash you are. As for the civil case, its all he said she said, with Ashby the obvious SHE in this case. Not to mention Ashby is on record as flirting with Slipper on those mobile calls, its a lovers tiff gone wrong, if you rightards want to have Slipper kicked out for being a closet gay you'd best kick out Pyne and phony Tony with him. ::) Where? I've read every single message in the court documents that are freely available online and not one even insinuates flirtation on Ashby's side. You have a vivid imagination!

Me neither. There are plenty on the other side, though.

it will be interesting to see how this case unfolds

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Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see?

The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::)

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:37pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:29am: Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing. Maybe you put the wrong information up skip. No speculation,just facts that the Libs have been busted lying their arses off again. Slipper has already released the cab charge dockets from that time,so nothing there. All just a beat up,and you rightards are proving what conniving trash you are. As for the civil case, its all he said she said, with Ashby the obvious SHE in this case. Not to mention Ashby is on record as flirting with Slipper on those mobile calls, its a lovers tiff gone wrong, if you rightards want to have Slipper kicked out for being a closet gay you'd best kick out Pyne and phony Tony with him. ::) Where? I've read every single message in the court documents that are freely available online and not one even insinuates flirtation on Ashby's side. You have a vivid imagination!

You would say that Tonys skirt. ::)

skippy. wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:43pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:37pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:29am: Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing. Maybe you put the wrong information up skip. No speculation,just facts that the Libs have been busted lying their arses off again. Slipper has already released the cab charge dockets from that time,so nothing there. All just a beat up,and you rightards are proving what conniving trash you are. As for the civil case, its all he said she said, with Ashby the obvious SHE in this case. Not to mention Ashby is on record as flirting with Slipper on those mobile calls, its a lovers tiff gone wrong, if you rightards want to have Slipper kicked out for being a closet gay you'd best kick out Pyne and phony Tony with him. ::) Where? I've read every single message in the court documents that are freely available online and not one even insinuates flirtation on Ashby's side. You have a vivid imagination! You would say that Tonys skirt. ::)

Uh-uh, show us the proof. Which message(s) show Ashby flirting with Slipper? These documents are readily available, so I look forward to seeing your "proof". Put up, or shut up.

Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:43pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:37pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 1:30pm: progressiveslol wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:29am: Falling apart, it seems the same that it ever was. The article is all speculation and changes nothing. Maybe you put the wrong information up skip. No speculation,just facts that the Libs have been busted lying their arses off again. Slipper has already released the cab charge dockets from that time,so nothing there. All just a beat up,and you rightards are proving what conniving trash you are. As for the civil case, its all he said she said, with Ashby the obvious SHE in this case. Not to mention Ashby is on record as flirting with Slipper on those mobile calls, its a lovers tiff gone wrong, if you rightards want to have Slipper kicked out for being a closet gay you'd best kick out Pyne and phony Tony with him. ::) Where? I've read every single message in the court documents that are freely available online and not one even insinuates flirtation on Ashby's side. You have a vivid imagination! You would say that Tonys skirt. ::) Uh-uh, show us the proof. Which message(s) show Ashby flirting with Slipper? These documents are readily available, so I look forward to seeing your "proof". Put up, or shut up.

Why don't you post up one text that shows Slipper harassing Ashby????? I saw one where he ended the text with XXX is he going to gaol for that,moron? I await with a short skirt for ya Tony's office girl.
I cant be bothered doing work for a lazy tramp like you, link me to the texts and I'll point out the flirting, office skirt.

Here:


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Ashby texts Slipper at 5.44pm: "DO NOT DO THE SOCIAL MEDIA INTERVIEW WITH CATHY. They are digging for a new angle. It will not be good!!!! The questions are laced with double meaning. It's like answering the 'do i look fat' question. There's not (sic) right answer. The daily do not like u! U do not like them! I do not like them! Do not help them sell papers!" After finding out Slipper had done the interview he texted him at 6.10pm: "You're not funny! I cannot believe you called her! We'll have to clean this mess up now !! f**k f**k f**k" 7.06pm - Slipper texts Ashby: "Relax my friend! x" Ashby replies at 7.07pm: "It's so very hard to when u care about the bloke they keep f**king over. I hope like hell they don't f**k u over with this report" 7.19pm - Slipper texts Ashby: "Xxx" 9.38pm - Slipper texts Ashby: "Would be good if you here but perhaps we are not close enough?" 10pm - Slipper again texts: "Would be good if you here but perhaps we are not close enough?" http://www.sunshinecoastdaily.com.au/story/2012/04/22/what-they-said-text-messages/

I've seen worse harassment between lovesick teenagers.  :-/

Now argue away!

skippy. wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:42pm:

Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::)

Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread.

I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less.

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:33pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:42pm: Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::) Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread. I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less.

Actually..Ive not seen you type a harsh word against the coalition

Here's another exchange-looks pretty flirty to me.Certainly not the texts of a man being sexually harassed.


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Ashby: "Haha where's Tim tonight?" Slipper: "Missing". Ashby: "Gone to pick up lol". Slipper: "Do you think Timbo is closer to me than you?" Ashby: 'Yeah but that's to be expected. He's known u longer. That sort of stuff doesn't worry me". Slipper: "Gone to prick (sic) up to whom? And closer to you than pete?" Ashby: "No he's closer to you. I hardly know him". Ashby: "A random root lol!" Ashby: "I've gotta stop being rude to my friends. Text u when I leave".

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/this-is-an-extract-of-allegations-against-peter-slipper-in-the-application-in-federal-court/story-e6freon6-1226334972822

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:35pm:

john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:33pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:42pm: Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::) Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread. I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less. Actually..Ive not seen you type a harsh word against the coalition

Really? Then you musn't have read many of my posts, because I have several times, such as Abbott's ridiculous "They just are" comment, Hockey's weak performance on Q and A, and have expressed on more than one occassion that I don't want a Coalition landslide win, because I believe that it's important to have an effective Opposition.

Also, perhaps you should read my posts in this very thread, adel. I said that Joyce's comment was out of line and insensitive. I have also been a swinging voter all of my life, so your comment is ludicrous.

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:35pm: john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:33pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:42pm: Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::) Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread. I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less. Actually..Ive not seen you type a harsh word against the coalition Really? Then you musn't have read many of my posts, because I have several times, such as Abbott's ridiculous "They just are" comment, Hockey's weak performance on Q and A, and have expressed on more than one occassion that I don't want a Coalition landslide win, because I believe that it's important to have an effective Opposition. Also, perhaps you should read my posts in this very thread, adel. I said that Joyce's comment was out of line and insensitive. I have also been a swinging voter all of my life, so your comment is ludicrous.

That is true..I havent read all of your posts but all of the ones I have read are slamming the Greens and Labor and praising the Libs and their tactic of "witch burning"

skippy. wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:37pm:

Here's another exchange-looks pretty flirty to me.Certainly not the texts of a man being sexually harassed. Quote: Ashby: "Haha where's Tim tonight?" Slipper: "Missing". Ashby: "Gone to pick up lol". Slipper: "Do you think Timbo is closer to me than you?" Ashby: 'Yeah but that's to be expected. He's known u longer. That sort of stuff doesn't worry me". Slipper: "Gone to prick (sic) up to whom? And closer to you than pete?" Ashby: "No he's closer to you. I hardly know him". Ashby: "A random root lol!" Ashby: "I've gotta stop being rude to my friends. Text u when I leave". http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/this-is-an-extract-of-allegations-against-peter-slipper-in-the-application-in-federal-court/story-e6freon6-1226334972822

I don't know if I would consider that flirting, but I do see how it could be viewed that way. As crazy as it may sound, I also have some compassion for Slipper. He's obviously lived a closeted life, probably too afraid to be out in the open.

The texts certainly weren't abusive or anything. There was only really one example of 'abuse', in my opinion; the "Not going on Sydney cruises" part, and Slipper clearly was stll pursuing Ashby after he had said that he wasn't interested.

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:41pm:

john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:39pm: adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:35pm: john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:33pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:42pm: Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::) Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread. I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less. Actually..Ive not seen you type a harsh word against the coalition Really? Then you musn't have read many of my posts, because I have several times, such as Abbott's ridiculous "They just are" comment, Hockey's weak performance on Q and A, and have expressed on more than one occassion that I don't want a Coalition landslide win, because I believe that it's important to have an effective Opposition. Also, perhaps you should read my posts in this very thread, adel. I said that Joyce's comment was out of line and insensitive. I have also been a swinging voter all of my life, so your comment is ludicrous. That is true..I havent read all of your posts but all of the ones I have read are slamming the Greens and Labor and praising the Libs and their tactic of "witch burning"

Sure, I have made many slamming Labor and the Greens, but I don't know that I have really made any "praising" the Libs.  :-?

skippy. wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:06am:

The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that.

Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne.

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne.

utter crap... he can only comment when he is asked a question..


today he \said..

in answer to a question

NEITHER CARR NOR JOYCE SHOULD HAVE COMMENTED ON THIS CASE....


AND GUESS? WHAT HE IS RIGHT..


you might like to remember
'
CARR IS IN GOVT  JOYCE IS NOT..


has gutless gillard told CARR to bite his gums..??


not that I have heard of.

funny how the gossips love the emails.. isnt it??.. woowooo skippy..


however were any of you a fly on the wall back at the flat???.. some meanings have innuendo that only those involved understand...

btw 2 or 3 others have come out about being harassed by the same guy..

some people are afraid to expose themselves to the kind of thing that is going on  on here..

lets assassinate the whistleblower... that solves that problem!!!! [smiley=thumbdown.gif]

Its party time at Fifi Pynes house

http://ransackedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/gay-flag.jpg

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 7:02pm:

Its party time at Fifi Pynes house http://ransackedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/gay-flag.jpg

adel, I used to think better of you.

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne.

I wonder what the next distraction is that the Abbott team will dream up is and how long before they get caught red handed. that will be a laugh.

nairbe wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:28pm:

falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:03pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne. I wonder what the next distraction is that the Abbott team will dream up is and how long before they get caught red handed. that will be a laugh.

Abbott enjoys setting people up on false charges as was proved with the Pauline Hanson prison debacle.
Abbott will happily use mafia style tactics to get competitors out of the way..even ruining their lives with false accusations and setting them up for prison sentences

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:23pm:

nairbe wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 8:28pm: falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:03pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne. I wonder what the next distraction is that the Abbott team will dream up is and how long before they get caught red handed. that will be a laugh. Abbott enjoys setting people up on false charges as was proved with the Pauline Hanson prison debacle. Abbott will happily use mafia style tactics to get competitors out of the way..even ruining their lives with false accusations and setting them up for prison sentences

That was a long time before he became opposition leader. Now that he is leader of the Liberals, I am sure Howard denied involvement in the 'Put Hanson in Jail' campaign.


The Liberals were teaching Abbott not to be so honest about his assassination campaigns:


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Honest Tony's too up front, says PM August 28, 2003 Prime Minister John Howard today defended the honesty of his senior minister Tony Abbott over his explanation of a campaign against One Nation. Mr Abbott last night defended the truth of his 1998 response to a media question that absolutely no funds had been offered to One Nation dissident Terry Sharples to support his court battle against the party. It has since emerged that Mr Abbott guaranteed Mr Sharples would not be left out of pocket by the court action. Mr Abbott defended the truth of that answer, saying an offer to cover costs and provide free lawyers was not an offer of funds. Mr Howard said he was not going to enter the debate about whether Mr Abbott had given a complete answer. "Tony's given his explanation; I've always found him to be an honest person," Mr Howard told ABC radio. "I do take his point that you can draw a very clear distinction between a direct offer of money and saying to somebody, particularly where pro bono lawyers are involved, you not going to be out of pocket. "Now that's his view and I've always found Tony a very straight up and down bloke. "In fact, one of the criticisms of Tony Abbott is that he's too up front."  ::) http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/08/28/1062028265844.html

"...I've always found him to be an honest person," Mr Howard told ABC radio...(but we'll sort that out before we let him become leader of the Liberal Party)

falah wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 5:03pm:

skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne.

You're a fuggen mozzie, what do you care about democratic politics??
You want it all abolished, so shudup, it's not your clambake.

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 8:12pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 7:02pm: Its party time at Fifi Pynes house http://ransackedmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/gay-flag.jpg adel, I used to think better of you.

did you?.. you must be new then.

adelcrow wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 9:23pm:

nairbe wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 8:28pm: falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:03pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne. I wonder what the next distraction is that the Abbott team will dream up is and how long before they get caught red handed. that will be a laugh. Abbott enjoys setting people up on false charges as was proved with the Pauline Hanson prison debacle. Abbott will happily use mafia style tactics to get competitors out of the way..even ruining their lives with false accusations and setting them up for prison sentences

yes yes you are soooooo right....WOW..

you may have missed a few barbs there.. like throwing them in jail and throwing away the key..what about the water torture he is famous for..

and everyone knows.. he hates women so i am sure he has a good few nasties up his sleeve to deal with them..

goodness me adel..you forgot knuckle breaking shooting out ones knee caps.all the while wearing a mask of course so he cant be filmed... oh he is one bright lad this Abbott.


when you charge him with all these things you accuse him of... will you let us know? I will book my seat in the courthouse.


I am amazed you havent had him charged already

cods wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 8:19am:

adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:23pm: nairbe wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 8:28pm: falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:03pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne. I wonder what the next distraction is that the Abbott team will dream up is and how long before they get caught red handed. that will be a laugh. Abbott enjoys setting people up on false charges as was proved with the Pauline Hanson prison debacle. Abbott will happily use mafia style tactics to get competitors out of the way..even ruining their lives with false accusations and setting them up for prison sentences yes yes you are soooooo right....WOW.. you may have missed a few barbs there.. like throwing them in jail and throwing away the key..what about the water torture he is famous for.. and everyone knows.. he hates women so i am sure he has a good few nasties up his sleeve to deal with them.. goodness me adel..you forgot knuckle breaking shooting out ones knee caps.all the while wearing a mask of course so he cant be filmed... oh he is one bright lad this Abbott. when you charge him with all these things you accuse him of... will you let us know? I will book my seat in the courthouse. I am amazed you havent had him charged already

Na..I just stick with the known proven facts..I'll leave the lynch mob mentality to the Ultra Conservatives and their financiers

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:01am:

cods wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 8:19am: adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:23pm: nairbe wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 8:28pm: falah wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 5:03pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 9:06am: The cabcharge accusations have now been withdrawn, and the rest of the case is he said she said, this will fail. It will also damage the lying Libs more than the gov. This was a lie hatched between Pyne and Ashby, and Pyne should resign,as should phony Tony when it is proven he was also involved. I said all along this was phony Tony's Grech moment and today's news enforces that. Abbott is too cunning to get directly involved in this sort of thing. For sure it would be entirely handled by underlings like Pyne. I wonder what the next distraction is that the Abbott team will dream up is and how long before they get caught red handed. that will be a laugh. Abbott enjoys setting people up on false charges as was proved with the Pauline Hanson prison debacle. Abbott will happily use mafia style tactics to get competitors out of the way..even ruining their lives with false accusations and setting them up for prison sentences yes yes you are soooooo right....WOW.. you may have missed a few barbs there.. like throwing them in jail and throwing away the key..what about the water torture he is famous for.. and everyone knows.. he hates women so i am sure he has a good few nasties up his sleeve to deal with them.. goodness me adel..you forgot knuckle breaking shooting out ones knee caps.all the while wearing a mask of course so he cant be filmed... oh he is one bright lad this Abbott. when you charge him with all these things you accuse him of... will you let us know? I will book my seat in the courthouse. I am amazed you havent had him charged already Na..I just stick with the known proven facts..I'll leave the lynch mob mentality to the Ultra Conservatives and their financiers

are you serious   you really dont see yourself with a lynchmob mentality..


hilarious..


you call him everything.. and wish everything nasty to happen to him..

thats what I CALL A LYNCHMOB MENTALITY anyway..

you are so childish. like thrilled to see aussie business go to the wall. because you can buy in Singapore and keep them rich and happy in jobs..

yeah right your mentality comes across loud and clear I am afraid.

anti aussie

You may have to look up the definition of a lynch mob mentality and "witch burning"

So there were several options Ashby could have taken.

He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options

:o :o :o

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:38am:

So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o

Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:42am:

Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:38am: So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne

How does that make the allegations any less serious

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:42am: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:38am: So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne How does that make the allegations any less serious

What are the allegations...that Slipper hit on him?
That happens every day in thousands of workplaces around the country and does not constitute harassment and unless Ashby has credible witnesses that are not connected to the current political witch hunt it will be thrown out of court with costs awarded to Slipper.
You cant prosecute or sue someone simply for asking you on a date..gay or straight

adelcrow wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:50am:

Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:43am: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:42am: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:38am: So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne How does that make the allegations any less serious What are the allegations...that Slipper hit on him? That happens every day in thousands of workplaces around the country and does not constitute harassment and unless Ashby has credible witnesses that are not connected to the current political witch hunt it will be thrown out of court with costs awarded to Slipper. You cant prosecute or sue someone simply for asking you on a date..gay or straight

That's why we have sexual harassment laws in the workplace

And if you see this as Slipper simply "hitting" on Ashby then you are disgusting for supporting sexual harassment in the workplace

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 10:03am:

adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:50am: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:43am: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:42am: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:38am: So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne How does that make the allegations any less serious What are the allegations...that Slipper hit on him? That happens every day in thousands of workplaces around the country and does not constitute harassment and unless Ashby has credible witnesses that are not connected to the current political witch hunt it will be thrown out of court with costs awarded to Slipper. You cant prosecute or sue someone simply for asking you on a date..gay or straight That's why we have sexual harassment laws in the workplace And if you see this as Slipper simply "hitting" on Ashby then you are disgusting for supporting sexual harassment in the workplace

As far as I can tell thats all that happened..there are no allegations of  sexual assault, rape or anything that made Ashby quit or punch Slipper in the nose the first time it happened.
We all know now that the Libs have set Slipper up simply because he had the nerve to stand up to them and then ended up being the fairest and best Speaker the house has seen in a very long time.
We all know Abbott is after him and after what he did to Pauline Hanson we also know Abbott has no problem with ruining someone with trumped up charges.

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 3:33pm:

Gist and Scope - who knows what goes through the mind of a sexual harassment victim? I don't see anything wrong with what he did. Do you care to explain? Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? I am not being partisan on this issue, I think that Joyce was insensitive in his comments as well. I just want to see justice done. Nothing more, nothing less.

Alleged sexual harassment victim. These Liberal drones are having a real problem with this presumption of innocence thing.

john_g wrote on May 18^th, 2012 at 4:39pm:

adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:35pm: john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:33pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:42pm: Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::) Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread. I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less. Actually..Ive not seen you type a harsh word against the coalition Really? Then you musn't have read many of my posts, because I have several times, such as Abbott's ridiculous "They just are" comment, Hockey's weak performance on Q and A, and have expressed on more than one occassion that I don't want a Coalition landslide win, because I believe that it's important to have an effective Opposition. Also, perhaps you should read my posts in this very thread, adel. I said that Joyce's comment was out of line and insensitive. I have also been a swinging voter all of my life, so your comment is ludicrous.

Even if we accepted swinging voters are impartial, you have pledged lifelong fealty to the Liberal Party. Besides trashing your own credibility, it also means you can no longer use your swinging credentials to claim some sort of rational high ground.

Maqqa wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 9:43am:

adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:42am: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:38am: So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne How does that make the allegations any less serious

Nothing can make the allegations less serious. It is the credibility of these serious allegations that has been brought into question. Perhaps this is a little too subtle for you, Maqqa.

MOTR wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 11:20am:

Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:43am: adelcrow wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:42am: Maqqa wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:38am: So there were several options Ashby could have taken. He made a decision to take legal action and in the opinion of the defence lawyer Ashby should have taken less damaging options :o :o :o Only after a lengthy session of "reach around" followed by a long cuddle with Fifi Pyne How does that make the allegations any less serious Nothing can make the allegations less serious. It is the credibility of these serious allegations that has been brought into question. Perhaps this is a little too subtle for you, Maqqa.

Maqqa seems to think all is fair when it comes to installing Abbott as PM..even destroying someones personal and professional life.

MOTR wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 11:05am:

john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:39pm: adelcrow wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:35pm: john_g wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 4:33pm: skippy. wrote on May 18th, 2012 at 3:42pm: Quote: Skippy - I didn't see any flirtation from Ashby in those texts, what did you see? The same ones you and I discussed when this case broke. I cant be bothered going back over old threads, but if you want to pull out the old thread when this case broke, Ashby is flirting with Slipper on one of those texts. I even bought it up WITH you and you agreed,how soon they forget when it doesn't suit their purpose. ::) Well, I honestly don't remember. I am not saying that I didn't, but I don't remember seeing anything that I would consider a flirt, and don't know how to retrieve the thread. I think that your last comment is kind of unfair. You know that I am not a fan of either Labor or the Coalition, and want to see justice done, no more or less. Actually..Ive not seen you type a harsh word against the coalition Really? Then you musn't have read many of my posts, because I have several times, such as Abbott's ridiculous "They just are" comment, Hockey's weak performance on Q and A, and have expressed on more than one occassion that I don't want a Coalition landslide win, because I believe that it's important to have an effective Opposition. Also, perhaps you should read my posts in this very thread, adel. I said that Joyce's comment was out of line and insensitive. I have also been a swinging voter all of my life, so your comment is ludicrous. Even if we accepted swinging voters are impartial, you have pledged lifelong fealty to the Liberal Party. Besides trashing your own credibility, it also means you can no longer use your swinging credentials to claim some sort of rational high ground.

With respect, this is complete BS.

I can recall you claiming to be a swing voter and the in the next breath vowing never to vote Labor again. That means you are not a swing voter, unless you plan on swinging Green, then I offer you my humble apologies.

MOTR wrote on May 19^th, 2012 at 6:57pm:

I can recall you claiming to be a swing voter and the in the next breath vowing never to vote Labor again. That means you are not a swing voter, unless you plan on swinging Green, then I offer you my humble apologies.

I don't see how that means that I love the Libs. I will never vote Labor again, after this. However, I am looking at minor parties, or putting in a donkey vote. Never ever ever voting for the Greens.