Genetic sexual attraction (GSA) is a term that describes the phenomenon of sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings, first and second cousins or a parent and offspring, who first meet as adults.


http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/women-reunite-fathers-and-become-sexually-attracted-them

Unorthodox, yet valid sexual preference, or just plain sickos?

Just plain sickos.

I have read about this before. You cant call them sickos if they dont know they are related. If they do know but only just found out (this actually happens now and then) then they misinterpret the familiarity i guess.

SOB

Frances wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Just plain sickos.

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Genetic sexual attraction You're 40, happily married - and then you meet your long-lost brother and fall passionately in love. This isn't fiction; in the age of the sperm donor, it's a growing reality: 50% of reunions between siblings, or parents and offspring, separated at birth result in obsessive emotions. Last month, a former police officer was convicted of incest with his half-sister - but should we criminalise a bond hardwired into our psychology? Alix Kirsta talks to those who have suffered the torment of 'genetic sexual attraction'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2003/may/17/weekend7.weekend2

Seems like a very high incidence of sickos.  Read their first hand account before judging.

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The Westermark Effect is a term used to describe the phenomenon of reverse sexual imprinting. This term was coined by a Finnish anthropologist named Edvard Westermark to explain the hypothetical psychological effect through which people who live in close domestic proximity during the first few years of their lives become desensitized to later sexual attraction. In simple terms, it is a process by which children and families become averse to the idea of sexual relationships within the nuclear family unit. Scientists who've studied the Westermark Effect note that the years between birth and age six, are the most critical. Most of us just take for granted the idea that we do not marry or engage sexually with our brothers/sisters and parents. Incest in it's traditional form usually evokes disgust and shock, as most people intrinsically hold onto the value that sexual relationships belong outside of the family unit. It usually takes something remarkably traumatic to allow us to focus on why we act the way we do. Why do we all cringe at the idea of a sexual encounter with a family member? Most people would say it's not normal, but wouldn't necessarily be able to explain why. The Westermark Effect explains in part that there is something to the day in and day out familiarity that helps to create an aversion to sex with family members. Some people suggest that there is an olfactory component- nature's way of suppressing inbreeding. But even when families are constructed without the genetic similarity (in the case of parents adopting a child), this Westermark Effect develops between the genetically unrelated parents and the child. The mechanisms that allow for healthy development of children in a family, the parent's ability to turn "off" any sort of sexual desire for a child, and the preservation of the family unit- are complex. It must be a combination of genetics, social and psychological processes, time, and moral health. When one or more of these factors are not present, one may experience sexual abuse and/or traditional incest. When a reunion occurs between a parent and child or siblings after many years of separation, none of the safeguards normally in place to grow a healthy and vibrant bond, are there. The time for imprinting is gone. In fact, the lost time can fuel an almost obsessive "mission" to make up what's been lost. Both people are fully matured sexual adults. The "walls" of the original family system are no more, and yet the individuals still feel the biological and psychological pull to bond as they originally should have. There may or may not be moral health which is another often overlooked component. People who are morally healthy can resist urges more readily than those who are not trained in the lost art of self-control. When the two individuals are genetically similar, the attraction can be overwhelming. I liken GSA to having all the chemicals of a nuclear bomb in your hand with no proper container to hold it all. Those chemicals, when contained in their proper home- become a powerful force. When families healthily bond as intended, we witness lifelong, fierce, strong, powerful bonds that last for a lifetime and beyond. Those chemicals in their proper home make a family unbreakable against all sorts of tragedies and traumas. During GSA, there are all the chemicals and no container. The power without the restraint of boundaries can poison entire family systems as the two people struggle to resist the pull of an attraction. Those of us who've survived GSA are on a mission to find a container. We cannot recreate the environment of the original container- it's just not possible. But we know that there is a way to "contain" those emotions and feelings in such a way that the individuals can form a long lasting bond that does not destroy families in the process.

Makes sense. 

The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation?

Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation?

I was separated from my biological parents at birth and met my father and brothers in my early 20s.

It was a surreal experience, but there was never anything inappropriate.

A friend of mine used to work with a girl who was in a sexual relationship with her brother.

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:17pm:

I was separated from my biological parents at birth and met my father and brothers in my early 20s. I

Is that right?  Did you expericne what they call "obsessive emotions"?  Not necessarily in a sexual way.

In modern families children tend to in a sense practice these things on their parents, an obvious example would be a young girl having a 'crush' on her dad.
Perhaps if a child was unable to do this during development it could inhibit such emotions/feelings.
But that is not genetic.
Genetically we are hardwired to find a mate and continue our species.
In a primitive sense apes will seek out mates of different bloodline when possible.
Today is the same and there is nothing really that could hardwire you to be attracted to family, only environmental factors can draw you to such a action.
Put simply we are hardwired to mate with people of different bloodlines, disruption of that process would be environmental

Sorry, I accidentally posted before I'd finished. I edited.

No, nothing obsessive at all.

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:12pm:

The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation?

There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem?

It is a disgusting thought to me though.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:19pm:

In modern families children tend to in a sense practice these things on their parents, an obvious example would be a young girl having a 'crush' on her dad. Perhaps if a child was unable to do this during development it could inhibit such emotions/feelings. But that is not genetic. Genetically we are hardwired to find a mate and continue our species. In a primitive sense apes will seek out mates of different bloodline when possible. Today is the same and there is nothing really that could hardwire you to be attracted to family, only environmental factors can draw you to such a action. Put simply we are hardwired to mate with people of different bloodlines, disruption of that process would be environmental

from wiki:


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Several factors may contribute to GSA. People commonly rank faces similar to their own as more attractive, trustworthy, etc. than average. [4] Heredity produces substantial physical similarity between close relatives. However, Bereczkei (2004) attributes this in part to childhood imprinting on the opposite-sex parent. Shared interests and personality traits are commonly considered desirable in a mate. The heritability of these qualities is a matter of great debate; to whatever extent they are heritable, they will tend to cluster in close relatives. In cases of parent-child attraction, the parent may recognize traits of their own in the child and ultimately end up mating with them. Such reunions typically produce complex emotions in all involved.[5]

yes, I know take wiki with a grain of salt, but again - it makes sense.

PP, not many girls have crushes on their fathers. Perhaps they choose partners who remind them of their dads.


Like Plath's poem 'Daddy'

I made a model of you,
A man in black with a Meinkampf look

And a love of the rack and the screw.
And I said I do, I do.

Yeah. Actually PP could be right though. How could it be genetic? It cant because if it was the human race wouldn't have ever got anywhere. We would all be inbred americans.

SOB

Psalm 1

King James Version (KJV)


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1 Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. 2 But his delight is in the law of the Lord; and in his law doth he meditate day and night. 3 And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. 4 The ungodly are not so: but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away. 5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.

Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental? 

You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick. 

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 5:41pm:

Genetic sexual attraction (GSA) is a term that describes the phenomenon of sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings, first and second cousins or a parent and offspring, who first meet as adults. http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/05/10/women-reunite-fathers-and-become-sexually-attracted-them Unorthodox, yet valid sexual preference, or just plain sickos?

Unorthodox, yet valid sexual preference.

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:57pm:

Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.

If it doesnt hurt anyone then it should be okay.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 7:29am:

... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.  If it doesnt hurt anyone then it should be okay. SOB

That's right.  If someone wants to bugger their mum, it doesn't affect you at all.  And if someone wanted to have their love for their dad recognised by marrying them, it's none of your business.  So what if people are allowed to marry their parents or siblings?  Nobody is forcing you to marry yours.

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:01am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 7:29am: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.  If it doesnt hurt anyone then it should be okay. SOB That's right.  If someone wants to bugger their mum, it doesn't affect you at all.  And if someone wanted to have their love for their dad recognised by marrying them, it's none of your business.  So what if people are allowed to marry their parents or siblings?  Nobody is forcing you to marry yours.

lolololololol

SOB

Annie Anthrax wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:24pm:

PP, not many girls have crushes on their fathers. Perhaps they choose partners who remind them of their dads. Like Plath's poem 'Daddy' I made a model of you, A man in black with a Meinkampf look And a love of the rack and the screw. And I said I do, I do.

It may not manifest visibly for everyone, I was just using that as an example. But to a certain extent our idea of attraction probably comes a lot from watching our parent/s.

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:57pm:

Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.

No of course not, people are free to do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt others. You could argue that the offspring are definitely being hurt tho.

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:38am:

... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.  No of course not, people are free to do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt others. You could argue that the offspring are definitely being hurt tho.

Offspring?  Who's to say they'll proudce children?  And if they do, it would be wonderful for them to have extra family around.  They don't have to get separate birthday or christmas presents for dad and grandpa, because dad IS grandpa!

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:38am: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.  No of course not, people are free to do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt others. You could argue that the offspring are definitely being hurt tho. Offspring?  Who's to say they'll proudce children?  And if they do, it would be wonderful for them to have extra family around.  They don't have to get separate birthday or christmas presents for dad and grandpa, because dad IS grandpa!

I don't really want to get into the politics but its not like the kid has a choice if he comes into life with 15 fingers or whatever.
Maybe there should be a law for extreme cases for example where a incest couple had multiple children after the first few all had mutations or something.

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:38am: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.  No of course not, people are free to do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt others. You could argue that the offspring are definitely being hurt tho. Offspring?  Who's to say they'll proudce children?  And if they do, it would be wonderful for them to have extra family around.  They don't have to get separate birthday or christmas presents for dad and grandpa, because dad IS grandpa!

Good to see you concur, Honky. There is a clear racial trajectory here. If people are genetically attracted to their families, they must also be attracted to their race as well - along with their class, nationality, religion, etc, etc, etc.

Ultimately, however, people are attracted to themselves.

Good to see I concur with whom? 

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:12pm:

The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation?

Which implies that it is genetic.


... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 8:57pm:

Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?

Which implies it may not be genetic.

Can you make up your mind?

Frances wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:37am:

... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:12pm: The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Which implies that it is genetic. ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental? Which implies it may not be genetic. Can you make up your mind?

Why would I need to make up my mind?  It is not important to me, hence the question "does it matter...."

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 10:41am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 10:38am: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 8:57pm: Does it matter whether the cause is genetic or environmental?  You don't care about the cause of other unorthodox sexual orientations like for example, homosexuality.  We accept that it's a natural and entirely valid orientation - just because it doesn't conform to your conception of "normal" doesn't make it wrong, or sick.  No of course not, people are free to do what they want so long as it doesn't hurt others. You could argue that the offspring are definitely being hurt tho. Offspring?  Who's to say they'll proudce children?  And if they do, it would be wonderful for them to have extra family around.  They don't have to get separate birthday or christmas presents for dad and grandpa, because dad IS grandpa!

It is illegal to have incest for that very reason. The likelihood of children. Now in this age we have birth control. Still I feel a bit like abbott when I said that ppl cant be trusted to do the right thing.

SOB

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 11:27am:

Good to see I concur with whom?

With yourself, of course. First race, then families, the evolution of humankind is steering us in a smooth path towards autophilia.

Karnal wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:24pm:

... wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 11:27am: Good to see I concur with whom?  With yourself, of course. First race, then families, the evolution of humankind is steering us in a smooth path towards autophilia.

Ahh OK.  You should be very proud - You Pakis have been the pioneers of the GSA equality movement.  If it hadn't have been for the tireless efforts of your people in copulating with blood relatives, GSA activists wouldn't be in a position to speak so openly without fear of reprisals today.  We've come a long way, but there is still much to be done.

... wrote on May 23^rd, 2012 at 12:30pm:

Karnal wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 12:24pm: ... wrote on May 23rd, 2012 at 11:27am: Good to see I concur with whom?  With yourself, of course. First race, then families, the evolution of humankind is steering us in a smooth path towards autophilia. Ahh OK.  You should be very proud - You Pakis have been the pioneers of the GSA equality movement.  If it hadn't have been for the tireless efforts of your people in copulating with blood relatives, GSA activists wouldn't be in a position to speak so openly without fear of reprisals today.  We've come a long way, but there is still much to be done.

Exactly. Soon, through post-structural consciousness raising and the Pakistani Power movement, we shall spread our tentacles throughout the world. First GSA, then Pakistani domination.

Like feminism, we understand that the institution of the nuclear family needs to be reformed before we can change the wider power stuctures of our corrupt society.

The hegemonic Western power structure will topple under its own shaky DNA strands. We will introduce a society where everyone will be equal and free to challenge the global Pakistani caliphate.

After a necessary period of post-revolutionary cleansing, of course.

It's disgusting. But also and serious problem.
Еspecially when they do not know.  :-X

Interesting topic.  This "the tolerator" guy sure does tackle the big issues.

He is a good man.

"What does a woman want?" asked Freud. A guy who is tall and well-endowed, suggests an Australian study that used male cut-outs to ask the question.

In the study, the researchers showed a series of life-size cut-out images of variously-sized men viewed by 105 heterosexual Australian women ages 18 to 53. The women, who stood about 20 feet away from a movie screen to watch and rate videos depicting 343 varied male outlines in a non-aroused state, were told only that the study was measuring "male attractiveness." They also rated taller and more broad-shouldered men as more attractive, as in past studies, but being well-endowed mattered almost as much as height in the new study.

"It is a pretty unusual study, but sex and behavior are important parts of evolution for any species, so the results are worth noting," says evolutionary biologist Wyatt Anderson of the University of Georgia in Athens, who led the review of the study for the journal. "It was a well-controlled study and the reviewers all agreed with the conclusions they reported."

The attractiveness results, however, stopped increasing as fast past a certain length, about 3 inches, the study reports, supporting the idea that the results may have been more a matter of pleasing proportional size in the most attractive masculine shapes, Mautz says. "This is a first-time study, so we should be cautious."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/04/08/size-male-attractiveness/2063951/

Thoughts, ladies? (and Karnal)

Its pretty obvious that this sort of thing should be avoide at all cost.

I think Aboriginals before colonisation had strict rules about marriage.

We can all see what happens when you don't pay attention to this.....Tasmania

Soren wrote on Apr 10^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

variously-sized men

Is that a reference to height or to something else?

Over 2300 views, and only 37 responses.

Don't be shy.

I haven't looked at this phenomenon at all, but I would expect that it is far more prevalent in obtuse western societies where sexual attraction and friendship bonds are taught to be synonymous. ie: your girlfriend/wife/boyfriend/husband is supposed to be accepted as being your best friend.

This could easily cause confusion upon first meeting with a relative where a bond is felt but indecipherable with the western teachings of what sexual attraction should be.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB

BORGS - they can't trust and must question their own disgust.
How fvckn insecure and shifty can you be?

SOB.

Soren wrote on May 2^nd, 2013 at 10:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB BORGS - they can't trust and must question their own disgust. How fvckn insecure and shifty can you be? SOB.

Awww not getting any attention lately?

Where am i questioning my own disgust? The disgust is natural. However nowadays there is birth control. The reasons incest is illegal are genetic. If theres no offspring and someone is psychopathic and has no disgust then what is the harm? Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 6:50am:

Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2013 at 10:34pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB BORGS - they can't trust and must question their own disgust. How fvckn insecure and shifty can you be? SOB. Awww not getting any attention lately? Where am i questioning my own disgust? The disgust is natural. However nowadays there is birth control. The reasons incest is illegal are genetic. If theres no offspring and someone is psychopathic and has no disgust then what is the harm? Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers. SOB

I love all the solutions to expand beyond the basic principle of a man meets a women and they get it on. Incest, homosexuality, you name it. Today's brainwashed morons will find anyway they can to just make the unworkable work.

How's your car been going since you progressed from round wheels?

Quantum wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 9:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 6:50am: Soren wrote on May 2nd, 2013 at 10:34pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB BORGS - they can't trust and must question their own disgust. How fvckn insecure and shifty can you be? SOB. Awww not getting any attention lately? Where am i questioning my own disgust? The disgust is natural. However nowadays there is birth control. The reasons incest is illegal are genetic. If theres no offspring and someone is psychopathic and has no disgust then what is the harm? Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers. SOB I love all the solutions to expand beyond the basic principle of a man meets a women and they get it on. Incest, homosexuality, you name it. Today's brainwashed morons will find anyway they can to just make the unworkable work. How's your car been going since you progressed from round wheels?

Its not a progression and its not even being considered. It has nothing to do with gay marriage.

SOB

Quote:

There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem?

Are you the result of an incestuous relationship Miss Borg? It would explain a lot.

KJT1981 wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 2:47pm:

Quote: There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? Are you the result of an incestuous relationship Miss Borg? It would explain a lot.

He is probably the son of his sister who later on became his wife.

Not too sure I want that type of post taking off.  So, please 'can' that sort of crap.

Aussie/Mod.

:)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:12pm: The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation? There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB

well her majesty queen of england

married her cousin so whatever trevor

further

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_Victoria

Queen Victoria (Alexandrina Victoria; 24 May 1819 – 22 January 1901) was the monarch of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland from 20 June 1837 until her death. From 1 May 1876, she used the additional title of Empress of India.

Victoria was the daughter of Prince Edward, Duke of Kent and Strathearn, the fourth son of King George III. Both the Duke of Kent and King George III died in 1820, and Victoria was raised under close supervision by her German-born mother Princess Victoria of Saxe-Coburg-Saalfeld. She inherited the throne at the age of 18, after her father's three elder brothers had all died leaving no legitimate, surviving children.

The United Kingdom was already an established constitutional monarchy, in which the Sovereign held relatively little direct political power.

Privately, Victoria attempted to influence government policy and ministerial appointments. Publicly, she became a national icon, and was identified with strict standards of personal morality.

Victoria married her first cousin, Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, in 1840.


Their nine children married into royal and noble families across the continent, tying them together and earning her the nickname "the grandmother of Europe". After Albert's death in 1861, Victoria plunged into deep mourning and avoided public appearances. As a result of her seclusion, republicanism temporarily gained strength, but in the latter half of her reign, her popularity recovered. Her Golden and Diamond Jubilees were times of public celebration.

namaste

- : )

Publicly, she became a national icon, and was identified with strict standards of personal morality.

___________

personal morals circa dating and having sex with

the first cousin....

so be it

i do not judge

namaste

- : )

Quantum wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 2:57pm:

KJT1981 wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 2:47pm: Quote: There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? Are you the result of an incestuous relationship Miss Borg? It would explain a lot. He is probably the son of his sister who later on became his wife.

Awww the poor trollies dont want to discuss the topic . . ..

You disagree that theres a reason its illegal?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 3^rd, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Quantum wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 2:57pm: KJT1981 wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 2:47pm: Quote: There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? Are you the result of an incestuous relationship Miss Borg? It would explain a lot. He is probably the son of his sister who later on became his wife. Awww the poor trollies dont want to discuss the topic . . .. You disagree that theres a reason its illegal? SOB

spot, get out of this thread and back to spot of troll. not ONE post there in 24 hours. what have you been doing?  chasing mice
licking your fur.

try not to be so easily distracted,

aquascoot wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 3:54am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 4:27pm: Quantum wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 2:57pm: KJT1981 wrote on May 3rd, 2013 at 2:47pm: Quote: There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? Are you the result of an incestuous relationship Miss Borg? It would explain a lot. He is probably the son of his sister who later on became his wife. Awww the poor trollies dont want to discuss the topic . . .. You disagree that theres a reason its illegal? SOB spot, get out of this thread and back to spot of troll. not ONE post there in 24 hours. what have you been doing?  chasing mice licking your fur. try not to be so easily distracted,

Obviously dont like the topic. Why dont you go elsewhere if you dont like it?

SOB

This thread was prolly started to use as a weapon in the gay marriage debate but it actually has nothing to do with gay marriage. Its a separate thing. Nobody is calling for it either so its not even a slippery slope.

SOB

well youre prolly not going to get to your double century in spot of troll if you dont get a bit more aggressive.

i would try a few cover drives and quick singles

prolly

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 6:22pm:

... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:12pm: The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation? There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB

It is also usually an abusive relationship, at least in the traditional context. We consider any sexual relationship to be inappropriate when there is an element of authority involved - eg teacher/student (regardless of the ages involved), boss/employee etc. You should seek help from the organisations mentioned in the OP.


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Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers.

That is hardly a solution.

These days, with family units getting smaller or more distant - ie many people not living anywhere near their cousins, or even their biological parents or half siblings, you would expect this to become more common.

freediver wrote on May 4^th, 2013 at 9:38am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:12pm: The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation? There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB It is also usually an abusive relationship, at least in the traditional context. We consider any sexual relationship to be inappropriate when there is an element of authority involved - eg teacher/student (regardless of the ages involved), boss/employee etc. You should seek help from the organisations mentioned in the OP. Quote: Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers. That is hardly a solution. These days, with family units getting smaller or more distant - ie many people not living anywhere near their cousins, or even their biological parents or half siblings, you would expect this to become more common.

Why should *I* seek help?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5^th, 2013 at 5:27am:

freediver wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 9:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:12pm: The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation? There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB It is also usually an abusive relationship, at least in the traditional context. We consider any sexual relationship to be inappropriate when there is an element of authority involved - eg teacher/student (regardless of the ages involved), boss/employee etc. You should seek help from the organisations mentioned in the OP. Quote: Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers. That is hardly a solution. These days, with family units getting smaller or more distant - ie many people not living anywhere near their cousins, or even their biological parents or half siblings, you would expect this to become more common. Why should *I* seek help? SOB

Because you are a certified raving friggen lunatic.

As an example societies in India which allow marriage between close relatives are riddled with genetic deformities and predisposition towards certain illnesses.

It's a pity that most (western) people can't respect their innate feelings these days, even though this is what western democracy initially set out to achieve.

There are many aspects of the ongoing human condition and the interaction with the environment which have genetically been proven to be disadvantageous to the furtherment of societies.

The more we become accustomed to a soft society (that has been built upon hardships), the more we seem to accept aspects that are detrimental to future societies.

How far we go in accepting what is being shoved down our throats, and that which spits in the face of democracy, over the general innate human condition which has naturally risen to the top is yet to be seen.

i know peter singer felt that sex between siblings (with contraception)  might be the next tabboo to go.

i note a female dolphin trainer was also asked to leave an island resort after developing a mutually satisfying sexual relationship with a male dolphin. this appeared to be consensual.  clips on youtube are quite revealing   :)

... wrote on May 22^nd, 2012 at 5:41pm:

... sexual attraction between close relatives, such as siblings, first and second cousins or a parent and offspring ...

Sounds relatively boring.

KJT1981 wrote on May 6^th, 2013 at 5:11pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 5th, 2013 at 5:27am: freediver wrote on May 4th, 2013 at 9:38am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:22pm: ... wrote on May 22nd, 2012 at 6:12pm: The question then is why are these people automatically stigmatized as "sickos" when they are simply acting in accordance with their hard-wired sexual orientation? Helloooo this is the 21st century.  I thought we had moved on from the dark ages where people were punished for their sexual orientation? There is actually a reason incest is illegal is because of what happens with the offspring. IMO (this is prolly not socially acceptable to say) but nowadays if theres no pregnancies involved what is the problem? It is a disgusting thought to me though. SOB It is also usually an abusive relationship, at least in the traditional context. We consider any sexual relationship to be inappropriate when there is an element of authority involved - eg teacher/student (regardless of the ages involved), boss/employee etc. You should seek help from the organisations mentioned in the OP. Quote: Force them to abort if they are stupid and get preggers. That is hardly a solution. These days, with family units getting smaller or more distant - ie many people not living anywhere near their cousins, or even their biological parents or half siblings, you would expect this to become more common. Why should *I* seek help? SOB Because you are a certified raving friggen lunatic.

I was asking FD (are you FD?) .

SOB