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Title: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by falah on May 28th, 2012 at 10:25pm
The shocking cost of war: Afghanistan and Iraq veterans are 'the most damaged generation ever' with almost HALF seeking disability benefits
On the day America stops to remember the sacrifices made by its troops, new figures reveal the terrible toll of war is now leaving nearly half of all veterans filing for disability benefits. The nation's newest veterans are the most medically and mentally troubled generation of former troops in history, with a staggering 45 per cent of the 1.6 million veterans from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan seeking compensation for injuries they say are service-related. That is more than double the estimate of 21 per cent who filed such claims after the Gulf War in the early 1990s, top government officials told The Associated Press. Injured: Kevin Trimble, 19, pictured lost both legs above the knee and an arm from a bomb in Afghanistan These new veterans are also claiming eight to nine ailments on average, and the most recent ones over the last year are claiming 11 to 14. By comparison, Vietnam veterans are currently receiving compensation for fewer than four, on average, and those from World War II and Korea, just two. It's unclear how much worse off these new veterans are than their predecessors. Many factors are driving the dramatic increase in claims the weak economy, more troops surviving wounds, and more awareness of problems such as concussions and PTSD. Almost one-third have been granted disability so far. Government officials and veterans' advocates say returned servicemen who were working but lost their jobs or can't find employment are increasingly seeking benefits. Payments range from $127 a month for a 10 per cent disability to $2,769 for a full one. But there is no special fund set aside to pay the unprecedented level of claims. The Department of Veterans Affairs is mired in backlogged claims but Allison Hickey, the VA's undersecretary for benefits said its mission was 'to take care of whatever the population is'. 'We want them to have what their entitlement is.' The AP spent three months reviewing records and talking with doctors, government officials and former troops to take stock of the new veterans. They are different in many ways from those who fought before them. More are from the Reserves and National Guard 28 per cent of those filing disability claims rather than career military. Reserves and National Guard made up a greater percentage of troops in these wars than they did in previous ones. About 31 per cent of Guard/Reserve new veterans have filed claims compared to 56 per cent of career military ones. More of the new veterans are women, accounting for 12 per cent of those who have sought care. Some female veterans are claiming PTSD due to military sexual trauma, a problem that rarely came up in other wars. The new veterans have different types of injuries than previous veterans did as well. This is partly because improvised bombs have been the main weapon and because body armor and improved battlefield care allowed many of them to survive wounds that in past wars proved fatal. Sacrifice: Triple amputee Larry Bailey II, pictured, is one of the many new veterans who will receive benefits They're being kept alive at unprecedented rates,' said Dr David Cifu, the VA's medical rehabilitation chief. More than 95 per cent of troops wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan have survived. Larry Bailey II is an example. After tripping a rooftop bomb in Afghanistan last June, the 26-year-old Marine remembers flying into the air, then fellow troops attending to him. 'I pretty much knew that my legs were gone. My left hand, from what I remember I still had three fingers on it,' although they didn't seem right, Bailey said. 'I looked a few times but then they told me to stop looking.' Bailey, who is from Zion, Illinois, ended up a triple amputee and expects to get a hand transplant this summer. He is still transitioning from active duty and is not yet a veteran. Just over half of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans eligible for VA care have used it so far. 'The numbers are pretty staggering,' said Dr. Bohdan Pomahac, a surgeon at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston who has done four face transplants on non-military patients and expects to start doing them soon on veterans. Amputee: U.S. Marine Andrew Kinard, pictured, sits in his wheelchair as he prepares to use his prosthetic legs Others have invisible wounds. More than 400,000 of these new veterans have been treated by the VA for a mental health problem, most commonly, PTSD. Tens of thousands of veterans suffered traumatic brain injury, or TBI mostly mild concussions from bomb blasts and doctors don't know what's in store for them long-term. Cifu, of the VA, said that roughly 20 per cent of active duty troops suffered concussions, but only one-third of them have symptoms lasting beyond a few months. That's still a big number, and 'it's very rare that someone has just a single concussion,' said David Hovda, director of the UCLA Brain Injury Research Center. Suffering multiple concussions, or one soon after another, raises the risk of long-term problems. A brain injury also makes the brain more susceptible to PTSD, he said. On a more mundane level, many new veterans have back, shoulder and knee problems, aggravated by carrying heavy packs and wearing the body armor that helped keep them alive. One recent study found that 19 per cent required orthopedic surgery consultations and 4 per cent needed surgery after returning from combat. All of this adds up to more disability claims, which for years have been coming in faster than the government can handle them. The average wait to get a new one processed grows longer each month and is now about eight months time that a frustrated, injured veteran might spend with no income. More than 560,000 veterans from all wars currently have claims that are backlogged older than 125 days. The VA's benefits chief, Hickey, said disability claims from all veterans soared from 888,000 in 2008 to 1.3 million in 2011. Last year's included more than 230,000 new claims from Vietnam veterans and their survivors because of a change in what conditions can be considered related to Agent Orange exposure. Those complex, 50-year-old cases took more than a third of available staff, she said. The high number of ailments per claim is also contributing to the backlog. When a veteran claims 11 to 14 problems, each one requires 'due diligence' a medical evaluation and proof that it is service-related, Hickey said. Barry Jesinoski, executive director of Disabled American Veterans, called Hickey's efforts 'commendable', but said the VA had a long way to go to meet veterans' needs. Even before the surge in Agent Orange cases, VA officials 'were already at a place that was unacceptable' on backlogged claims, he said... Damaged: Shane Baldwin, pictured, is one of the growing number of veterans claiming compensation for injuries ...For taxpayers, the ordeal is just beginning. With any war, the cost of caring for veterans rises for several decades and peaks 30 to 40 years later, when diseases of aging are more common, said Harvard economist Linda Bilmes. She estimates the health care and disability costs of the recent wars at $600 billion to $900 billion. 'This is a huge number and there's no money set aside,' she said. 'Unless we take steps now into some kind of fund that will grow over time, it's very plausible many people will feel we can't afford these benefits we overpromised.' How would that play to these veterans, who all volunteered and now expect the government to keep its end of the bargain? 'The deal was, if you get wounded, we're going to supply this level of support,' Bilmes said. Right now, 'there's a lot of sympathy and a lot of people want to help. But memories are short and times change.' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150933/The-shocking-cost-war-Afghanistan-Iraq-veterans-damaged-generation-HALF-seeking-disability-benefits.html?ito=feeds-newsxml |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 1:39am
And again the Associated Press shows why they're only real purpose is as part some absurd plot to commit genocide against trees. It's not the facts they got wrong, it's how they went about presenting those facts and in the conclusions drawn from their presentation that's fallacious at best, outright bullshit written to sell copies and to hell with the truth at worst.
They're absolutely correct about the steep rise in number of claims filed, for example the 45% for veterans of the last tens years of operations in Iraq and Afghanistan vs only 21% for the first Gulf War back in 1990-1991. Thing is, the Gulf War was a single theater conflict that combat operations lasted a total of 210 days, so comparing claims from that against claims from around a decade or so of combat operations across two theaters involving several times as many troops is just a little shady. Simple math says that upwards of 225,000 troops deployed per year for ten years of sustained combat operations will have more casualties, and thus will produce more disability claims, then 500,000 troop deployed for 210 day of combat operations. The other problem is while they get the facts they actual present right, they're also omitting other facts. Examples here would be the number of ailments claimed by vets of the last ten years of operations vs the numbers for previous conflicts. They're correct that average number of ailments climbed being 8-9 and that over the last year or so that's climbed significantly. They're also correct that the average for Vietnam vets is around 4. What they're neglecting to mention is that thanks to the lobbying efforts of various veterans groups over the last 30 years the number of ailments that can be claimed for benefits has massively increased, and the criteria for being able to qualify for those benefits has been lowered. Simple math says when you lower the bar to qualify for benefits while increasing the number of ailments that can be claimed that claims numbers will rise. About the only thing they got right was that the real costs of Chimpus Caesar's "Kill-Brown-People-Palooza" won't be fully understood for decades to come. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by pansi1951 on May 29th, 2012 at 6:26am
That's the real long term effect of the useless war, real people maimed for life, not to mention the mental torture that thousands will live with.
I hope pictures like these are doing the rounds of the high schools so that our youth are well aware that they might come back with limbs missing and a screwed mind. Some think it's a big show of toughness and bravery, when it's actually the height of stupidity to put yourself in such a position. Make the right choice boys, jobless or limbless. For what? What has that war achieved apart from bloodshed and misery? It's one industry America and her allies can do without. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 8:53am
pansi, you're forgetting one key thing. The US gets antsy as all hell if we don't get to blow up brown people ever so often. when we can't do that we start looking for excuses to blow up Europeans instead.
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Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Spot of Borg on May 29th, 2012 at 9:31am Chard wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 8:53am:
How about you blow up israel? SOB |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 9:48am Sir Spot of Borg wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 9:31am:
Yeah, last time someone tried that whole "kill the jews" schtick it didn't go over very well, Spot. Besides, the little bastards kinda/sorta/maybe have nuclear weapons which makes them effectively immune to attack by a conventional military now, which means we'd have to convert a significant portion of the Eastern Mediterranean into large puddles of radioactive glass. That wouldn't go over very well either. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by falah on May 29th, 2012 at 10:52am
How about the US just cut off the $3billion per year military aid instead?
Israel is the only country that gets aid from the US with no strings attached. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Soren on May 29th, 2012 at 11:09am falah wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 10:52am:
... and let the bearded monsters convert a significant portion of the Eastern Mediterranean into large puddles of radioactive glass? Because that's the Mohammedan schtick, has been for 1400 years - eradicate the Jews for the greater glory of Allan. Y'all are just antsy because first the Little Satan, Britain, and now the Great Satan, the US, doesn't let you at 'em. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Antonio Primo de Rivera on May 29th, 2012 at 11:11am
uh huh
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Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by PoliticalPuppet on May 29th, 2012 at 11:14am Soren wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 11:09am:
Are you in a home? |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 12:17pm falah wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 10:52am:
Sure, just as soon as we cut off the same aid to Egypt as mandated under the Camp David Accords. Oh, you didn't know about that and just thought we simply gave Israel money for no reason? How very... Typical. But by all means, regale me with more of your misplaced and historically ignorant rage. It entertains me... |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Andrei.Hicks on May 29th, 2012 at 12:24pm Chard wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
An excellent post. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by falah on May 29th, 2012 at 12:32pm Chard wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
it would make my day if the US cut off the $1billion Chard wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:17pm:
Of course I know about the US bribe to the Egyptian military dicatators everbody knows it, which is why I mentioned "no strings attached". Israel gets their $3billion with no strings attached. The $1 billion given to the Egyptian military dictators is a bribe to convince them not to help the Palestinians. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 12:57pm
Oh, I'm gonna like playing with you, Falah. You think you know just enough to really drive home how long ago Jack left your little slice of "Jack&Shitville"...
falah wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:32pm:
Really? All $1,000,000,000, huh? I mean you're only off by $228,000,000, but that aside, do you know what forms that aid was rendered as to blow sides , and more specifically the purchase cost of individual items to one nations vs the others, or how much that nation asked for as military aid (which cuts the total amount of aid rendered under the terms of the Accords), vs how much as asked for in economic or humanitarian aid? Of course you don't. If you did then you would have been intelligent enough to not respond to someone who does know. But again, by all means, keep playing, you amuse me. falah wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:32pm:
Yeah, stop the hell now, dumbass. Seriously, it's a "Bribe" to one side, but blood money or whatever retarded term you choose for the other? The money given to both under the terms of the Accords stopped a war, moron. Call it a bribe, call it prostitution, call it sucking the fat cock of Uncle Sam himself, whatever. It brought peace between Israel and Egypt for over thirty years now, which a hell of a lot more useful than any useless religious based idiocy you seem to subscribe to. When you and your spend $6,000,000,000 a year for three decades and change you then have the right to criticize. Until you have done so you're just another trash talking, useless idiot who has not and will probably never contribute a single useful thing towards anything other than your own selfish ends under the guise of serving which ever make-believe entity you choose to warship. Again, keep playing, you amuse me. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by BigOl64 on May 29th, 2012 at 1:01pm Chard wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 12:57pm:
Looks like you delivered an Alabama Slamma there Chard ;D |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 1:10pm BigOl64 wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 1:01pm:
It'll become even more entertaining if he chooses to bring up that half-baked horseshit about Israel supposed getting theirs with "no stings attached". We've been restricting more and more weapon systems we will seel to Israel for the last 20 years ever since we caught Israel attempting to sell Patriot missile batteries we sold them to the PRC. At the same time we've been constantly expanding the list of toys we'd sell to Egypt up until they choose to elect a government that's seeming to consider going full retard on us by openly violating the Accords. Hopefully if Egypt chooses to back out of the Accords they won't be dumb enough to violate the treaties concerning navigation rights through the Suez. If that happens then pretty much every sea-faring nation on earth is treaty obligated to remove Egypt's government from power and possibly Egypt itself from the map. |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Peter Freedman on May 29th, 2012 at 1:40pm Chard wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 1:39am:
The AP is a news service, it doesn't sell "copies" of anything, it sells its news service to media outlets who can use it or not as they please. You make some interesting points, Chard, how about writing to AP and see how they respond? Or write to the newspapers that used the story........ |
Title: Re: 'The most damaged generation ever' Post by Chard on May 29th, 2012 at 1:45pm Peter Freedman wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Considering the AP is owned by a coop of newspapers/agencies that contribute to it, yeah, it really is about selling copy, dude. Peter Freedman wrote on May 29th, 2012 at 1:40pm:
Done both and the AP tends to ignore such and writing letters to the editor to your local rag is about as useful as faring into a blizzard. |
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