Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

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john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

Abbott

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott

This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

I still say Abbott

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott

Why bother even posting then?

Ofarrel by far.

Ofarrell has been quite devious. As soon as he got elected, and started breaking promises, he took down all record of his promises from the liberal party website.

Also, he has enjoyed a vast majority, and little or no opposition. Breaking commitments now seems petty and for little reason (not like he had to form a coalition with anyone).

Gillard had to change plan on a carbon tax because circumstances forced her when joining a green/indy coalition.

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:54pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:52pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott Why bother even posting then?

Ok..OFarrel and Gillard are equal liars..as are all pollies from the Coalition and Labor parties. Its how they keep their cozy little duopoly going.

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

BAILLIEU, without a DOUBT

Ask no further than the Victorian Police, nurses and teachers


http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1291167686/0

By this time next year the Liberal states will so so sick of being lied to by their premiers that Gillard will look like a saviour

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:55pm:

Ofarrel by far. Ofarrell has been quite devious. As soon as he got elected, and started breaking promises, he took down all record of his promises from the liberal party website. Also, he has enjoyed a vast majority, and little or no opposition. Breaking commitments now seems petty and for little reason (not like he had to form a coalition with anyone). Gillard had to change plan on a carbon tax because circumstances forced her when joining a green/indy coalition.

I agree on O'Farrell, but that is a pathetic excuse for Gillard.

Gillard is the most hated Prime Minister and the most evil and corrupt in Australias history deluding yourself will not change how much she is hated.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 2:01pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:54pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:52pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott Why bother even posting then? Ok..OFarrel and Gillard are equal liars..as are all pollies from the Coalition and Labor parties. Its how they keep their cozy little duopoly going.

Okay, I agree. Gillard's lies will have much more of an effect, IMO, but O'Farell is still the same - an out and out liar.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 2:54pm:

By this time next year the Liberal states will so so sick of being lied to by their premiers that Gillard will look like a saviour

Adel, are you on here to just take the piss?

I am not from NSW, can someone please enlighten me - what are O'Farrell's lies? Like I have stated before, Gillard's lie is not bad at all. She has clearly become aware, thanks in most part to the Greens, that climate change is real, and we need to take positive action on it. She may have lied, but it's for our own good, and the good of the nation. I am confident that most Australians will come to see that, and Labor will be elected next election. Hopefully we will have another Labor/Green government. That would be great, and a positive step forward for Australia.

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:54pm: By this time next year the Liberal states will so so sick of being lied to by their premiers that Gillard will look like a saviour Adel, are you on here to just take the piss?

You dont agree?
Why not?

TheGreenLight wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

I am not from NSW, can someone please enlighten me - what are O'Farrell's lies? Like I have stated before, Gillard's lie is not bad at all. She has clearly become aware, thanks in most part to the Greens, that climate change is real, and we need to take positive action on it. She may have lied, but it's for our own good, and the good of the nation. I am confident that most Australians will come to see that, and Labor will be elected next election. Hopefully we will have another Labor/Green government. That would be great, and a positive step forward for Australia.

Well the latest one was he went to the election promising not to sell the power generators.

He also promised not to allow hunting in national parks.

He just now did a deal with The Shooters Party in the Upper House which allows him to sell the Power Generators in exchange for allowing shooting in National Parks  :D

I think neither.

While O'farrell's performance has been dismal to this point I do not think he has been any less honest than you would expect from a Liberal.

I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost.


anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean..

gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century..

she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes..

when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

I think neither. While O'farrell's performance has been dismal to this point I do not think he has been any less honest than you would expect from a Liberal.

yes he hasnt been brilliant.. but what has a liberal got to do with it..


I bet if anyone keeps stats.. the Labs would win hands down when it comes to broken promises and lies..

I dont recall Howard getting a tongue lashing after the GST election????

TheGreenLight wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:02pm:

I am not from NSW, can someone please enlighten me - what are O'Farrell's lies? Like I have stated before, Gillard's lie is not bad at all. She has clearly become aware, thanks in most part to the Greens, that climate change is real, and we need to take positive action on it. She may have lied, but it's for our own good, and the good of the nation. I am confident that most Australians will come to see that, and Labor will be elected next election. Hopefully we will have another Labor/Green government. That would be great, and a positive step forward for Australia.

This was in one of Sydney papers just after the NSW election


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The Australia Democrats tradition of “Keeping the bastard honest.” So how about a thread of “Keeping Barry honest” Here are 12 things that Barry O’Farrell and the Liberal Party promise before the election. Let mark off any that they back-down on, do back flips on, retreats on because of no money left by Labor, flip-flops or wimp out on for any other reason. 1)      “We are not closing schools, hospital or planning massive privatisation or job cuts.” 2)      “We will not cut the number of public holidays in NSW.” 3)      “We don’t have a default position that says privatisation is in our blood.” 4)      “There are no plans to hire Peter Costello, Gary Stugess or Ken Baxter.” 5)      100,000 jobs will be “targeted” for creation under Jobs Action Plan. 6)      Work on the north-west rail line will begin in the first term. 7)      As the economy improves there will be a need for “more, not less” public sector jobs to fix NSW. 8)      Family members of politicians will not be hire to work in ministerial offices. 9)      The coalition will depoliticise appointments to the senior ranks of the public service. 10)      Train fares will be cut by more then $100 a year. 11)      The old politics of smear and fear and untruths is in the past. 12)      No offshore outsourcing of public sector jobs or services.

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost. anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean.. gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century.. she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes.. when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that

she made the biggest lie of the century..


Was barely a lie at all and certainly not the biggest lie even for that week.

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:57pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:50pm: I think neither. While O'farrell's performance has been dismal to this point I do not think he has been any less honest than you would expect from a Liberal. yes he hasnt been brilliant.. but what has a liberal got to do with it.. I bet if anyone keeps stats.. the Labs would win hands down when it comes to broken promises and lies.. I dont recall Howard getting a tongue lashing after the GST election????

It was his own mates who called him a lying rodent and he was very often cynically refered to as honest John.

He is best known for coining the term non core promise, which means election promises which you do not have to keep.

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 2:59pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 2:54pm: By this time next year the Liberal states will so so sick of being lied to by their premiers that Gillard will look like a saviour Adel, are you on here to just take the piss?

Adel is here all day because his mail order bride took him to the cleaners. All she left him with was his old Windows 95 computer.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:56pm: I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost. anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean.. gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century.. she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes.. when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that she made the biggest lie of the century.. Was barely a lie at all and certainly not the biggest lie even for that week.

Which century was the WMD lie made?
What century was the children overboard lie made?
What century did Abbott lie and claim a carbon tax was the best way to battle CO2 pollution?
Which century did Abbott lie about the carbon tax ruining this country and its economy?
Which century did Abbott lie about the NBN being a white elephant?
Which century did Abbott lie about the mining super profits tax driving miners away?
Gillards lie was nothing compared to Abbotts litany of lies

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:50pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation.

I also vote Abbott ... and he is the leader of a party .....
i know, the liberal party barely rates as anything worthwhile, but nevertheless they are a political party and therefore should be held accountable for what they say

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:50pm:

I think neither. While O'farrell's performance has been dismal to this point I do not think he has been any less honest than you would expect from a Liberal.

To be honest, just off the cuff I can't think of too many promises O'Farell has broken. Mind you, that's probably because he's hardly DONE anything.

I was hopeful he'd be OK but allowing shooting in national parks has meant the hope is withering.

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 3:56pm:

I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost. anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean.. gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century.. she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes.. when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that

You must have been asleep the rest of the century !!!!!

you rate that worse than children overboard? she had to change her stance because of the way the election ended .. if she had won on her own right we would be unlikely to get a carbon tax

John Howard on the other hand came up with a con job to try and turn the polls around .. he deliberately fabricated the whole story ...  he made it up, he lied about it and he continued to lie ...

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 4:21pm:

cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:56pm: I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost. anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean.. gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century.. she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes.. when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that she made the biggest lie of the century.. Was barely a lie at all and certainly not the biggest lie even for that week.

well dna your wife must be able to pull the wool over your eyes very easily..

well said as I have said before gillard needs all the support she can get..

you are one of a few that really feels that way.. my daughters neighbours very left of lef.t. are horrified by this woman.. they feel completely let down.....AND LIED TOO.

John Smith wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:21pm:

cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:56pm: I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost. anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean.. gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century.. she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes.. when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that You must have been asleep the rest of the century !!!!! you rate that worse than children overboard? she had to change her stance because of the way the election ended .. if she had won on her own right we would be unlikely to get a carbon tax John Howard on the other hand came up with a con job to try and turn the polls around .. he deliberately fabricated the whole story ...  he made it up, he lied about it and he continued to lie ...

can you produce the evidence where he fabricated that statement.. thank you???

you dont think anyone was conned with the

THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD

And from Swan..


"Certainly what we reject is this hysterical allegation that somehow that we are moving towards a carbon tax from the Liberals and their advertising, we certainly reject that".

I rule out a carbon tax

cods wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:21pm: cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:56pm: I give allowances for those not long in govt.. I think two years is ample.. lets face it..it takes me that long to move into a new home..ha.ha.. well almost. anyway I think in all fairness you need to give some examples of what you mean.. gillard has been in power 5 years.. she was in power over 3 years when she made the biggest lie of the century.. she did have an enormous amount of advisers and back up.. to tell her NO NO NO Juliia..when she pulled the wool over everyones eyes.. when someone tell you you will have transparency in gvt..... one kind of looks forward to that You must have been asleep the rest of the century !!!!! you rate that worse than children overboard? she had to change her stance because of the way the election ended .. if she had won on her own right we would be unlikely to get a carbon tax John Howard on the other hand came up with a con job to try and turn the polls around .. he deliberately fabricated the whole story ...  he made it up, he lied about it and he continued to lie ... can you produce the evidence where he fabricated that statement.. thank you??? you dont think anyone was conned with the THERE WILL BE NO CARBON TAX UNDER A GOVT I LEAD

so I was right ... you were asleep the rest of the century .

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:52pm:

john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott

and I say Joh BP

Never ever a GST under any government I lead - John Howard.



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html


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But when a businessman asked why, if a GST was so economically sound, Howard wouldn't again support it, he gave a long answer which included, in part: "... We would occasionally like to win, you know. The fact is the last election was a referendum on the GST. There is no way we can have it as part of our policy for the next election. As to what happens some years in the future, I don't know. But the GST cause was lost in the last election ..." Every news outlet ignored it except The Australian. It ran a single-column story on its front page next morning, saying Howard had "left open the possibility of the Coalition reconsidering a GST some years in the future". Howard panicked. He'd told the truth in answering the businessman's question. Now he felt he had to lie if he wasn't to sabotage, after 22 years in politics, his last opportunity to be prime minister. He issued a four-sentence statement saying, "Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia. " Later that day, confronted by a clamouring press pack, he compounded the lie. Asked if he'd "left the door open for a GST", Howard said: "No. There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy." Q: "Never ever?" Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election." ......... He announced a "great adventure" in tax reform he wanted to "share with the Australian people". Six months later, we learned the heart and soul of this "adventure" was to be the introduction of a GST. And how did Howard rationalise his "never ever" pledge? He didn't. He simply lied again. Howard told Parliament in April 1998: "I went to the 1996 election saying there would not be a GST in our first term.

John Howards GST - Lie after Lie after Lie..

john_g wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 1:48pm:

Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars.

John Howard

SOB

matty wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:37pm:

I rule out a carbon tax

Yes we know tugger, but you need to wait until you are elected and then made leader before you can implement that policy.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 4:25pm:

cods wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:57pm: Dnarever wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 3:50pm: I think neither. While O'farrell's performance has been dismal to this point I do not think he has been any less honest than you would expect from a Liberal. yes he hasnt been brilliant.. but what has a liberal got to do with it.. I bet if anyone keeps stats.. the Labs would win hands down when it comes to broken promises and lies.. I dont recall Howard getting a tongue lashing after the GST election???? It was his own mates who called him a lying rodent and he was very often cynically refered to as honest John. He is best known for coining the term non core promise, which means election promises which you do not have to keep.

You missed the two big ones, children overboard and weapons of mass destruction. One lead to the continuing persecution of a vulnerable demographic the other lead us into a pointless and expensive war.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:44pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:52pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott and I say Joh BP

How dare you compare that wonderful, Christian gentleman with the thing that we currently have as PM. I bet that you were under 20 when he was Premier of Queensland.

Dnarever wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 5:48pm:

Never ever a GST under any government I lead - John Howard. Did Howard take it to the 1998 election, after changing his mind? Did Gillard take the carbon tax to a new election, after changing her mind? http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/08/17/1092508474312.html Quote: But when a businessman asked why, if a GST was so economically sound, Howard wouldn't again support it, he gave a long answer which included, in part: "... We would occasionally like to win, you know. The fact is the last election was a referendum on the GST. There is no way we can have it as part of our policy for the next election. As to what happens some years in the future, I don't know. But the GST cause was lost in the last election ..." Every news outlet ignored it except The Australian. It ran a single-column story on its front page next morning, saying Howard had "left open the possibility of the Coalition reconsidering a GST some years in the future". Howard panicked. He'd told the truth in answering the businessman's question. Now he felt he had to lie if he wasn't to sabotage, after 22 years in politics, his last opportunity to be prime minister. He issued a four-sentence statement saying, "Suggestions I have left open the possibility of a GST are completely wrong. A GST or anything resembling it is no longer Coalition policy. Nor will it be policy at any time in the future. It is completely off the political agenda in Australia. " Later that day, confronted by a clamouring press pack, he compounded the lie. Asked if he'd "left the door open for a GST", Howard said: "No. There's no way a GST will ever be part of our policy." Q: "Never ever?" Howard: "Never ever. It's dead. It was killed by voters at the last election." ......... He announced a "great adventure" in tax reform he wanted to "share with the Australian people". Six months later, we learned the heart and soul of this "adventure" was to be the introduction of a GST. And how did Howard rationalise his "never ever" pledge? He didn't. He simply lied again. Howard told Parliament in April 1998: "I went to the 1996 election saying there would not be a GST in our first term. John Howards GST - Lie after Lie after Lie..

jenny wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:44pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:52pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott and I say Joh BP How dare you compare that wonderful, Christian gentleman with the thing that we currently have as PM. I bet that you were under 20 when he was Premier of Queensland.

you could fill an entire thread with the evils of the JOH days. And as an active Christian myself, I am ashamed of his behaviour.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6^th, 2012 at 9:10pm:

jenny wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 7:22pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 5:44pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:52pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:50pm: adelcrow wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:49pm: john_g wrote on Jun 6th, 2012 at 1:48pm: Who would you say? Both have proven to be nothing but bluff and out and out liars. Abbott This isn't about Abbott. I was expecting such a reply. He's never been the leader of a state, or nation. I still say Abbott and I say Joh BP How dare you compare that wonderful, Christian gentleman with the thing that we currently have as PM. I bet that you were under 20 when he was Premier of Queensland. you could fill an entire thread with the evils of the JOH days. And as an active Christian myself, I am ashamed of his behaviour.

Sure, and are you also a Gillard supporter? No active Christian, and I am one, could support her.

I am 89. I have voted Country/National in every single election in which I have ever voted, except for One Nation in the Senate a few times. Joh was an absolute gentleman, who I had the pleasure of meeting on more than one occasion. He is one of the best leaders that we've ever had, and it's a shame that he never did become Prime Minister.

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Sure, and are you also a Gillard supporter? No active Christian, and I am one, could support her.

Look a lot of ppl dont like gillards policies and thats fine but not voting for someone because of their religion is ridiculous and bigoted. This is not a theocracy. It doesnt matter what religion (or none) a pollie has. Unless they are fanatical in which case they should never get near the PM job.

SOB

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-06-08/102c000-nsw-public-servants-face-axe3a-reports/4059682


Poor people of NSW.    Just like Victoria the Liberal Governments are running your state into the ground.   SO, just what HAS big bazza done for you since theelection?    And if you are a public servant - and you voted liberal - suck it up and start saving!