''Every day I'm out there holding a bad government to account and promoting a positive alternative.''


Could the hard right posters please explain this spin they are using in light of what 'positive agenda' is this?


We know libs want to rip off cabon compensation off wages and welfare while keeping prices high.

Increase the amount of tax people pay by lifting the tax free rate up from $18K to $6K.

By making taxpayers pay for their carbon package without compensation.

By destroying agriculture with CSG

By destroying the GB Reef with coal ports.

By attacking workers with workchoice.

By sacking public service and reducing spending on health and education.

By keeping electricity prices high.

and so on.


This positive alternative, are they meaning from the perspective of Clive Palmer and other billionaires?


Could the hard right posters explain this positive agenda that the liberal party speak of?

god where do you stand on your soapbox woody??.. give me a chance to miss you please.




____ wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 6:55am:

'Every day I'm out there holding a bad government to account and promoting a positive alternative.''

why would anyone explain anything to you?.. you never listen you never answer a question.. why would we bother?????????????????

So Cods can't explain this "Positive Agenda"

Can anyone else from the hard right?

I'm positive anyone could do better than this incompetent government.

I'm waiting too greens. Maybe the amazing Miss Macca will have the answers.

cods wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:01am:

why would anyone explain anything to you?.. you never listen you never answer a question.. why would we bother?????????????????

OMG, the pot and the kettle. There was a question and you didn't answer?? DER take you pills and have a lay down dear its all right.

Abbott is going to hand billions of taxpayers dollars to the big polluters with no compensation to households.
How is he going to pay for his dodgy climate change policy and why is he trying to hold up the economy and investment by constantly undermining Australia and creating an uncertain environment for investors?

just being rid of Gillard is a 'positive alternative'

____ wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 6:55am:

''Every day I'm out there holding a bad government to account and promoting a positive alternative.'' ... Could the hard right posters explain this positive agenda that the liberal party speak of?

Yes, I saw that quote this morning and had the same reaction. It's beyond me. But there again, the righties keep telling me I am supposedly stupid. So an explanation from them for this poor, simple mind would be much appreciated.

PS... I see they've managed ZILCH thus far!  ;D ;D ;D

Gist wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:51am:

____ wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 6:55am: ''Every day I'm out there holding a bad government to account and promoting a positive alternative.'' ... Could the hard right posters explain this positive agenda that the liberal party speak of? Yes, I saw that quote this morning and had the same reaction. It's beyond me. But there again, the righties keep telling me I am supposedly stupid. So an explanation from them for this poor, simple mind would be much appreciated. PS... I see they've managed ZILCH thus far!  ;D ;D ;D

They'll tell us about their positive agenda at the next election..until then we dont need to know what it is  ;D

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:52am:

Gist wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 8:51am: ____ wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 6:55am: ''Every day I'm out there holding a bad government to account and promoting a positive alternative.'' ... Could the hard right posters explain this positive agenda that the liberal party speak of? Yes, I saw that quote this morning and had the same reaction. It's beyond me. But there again, the righties keep telling me I am supposedly stupid. So an explanation from them for this poor, simple mind would be much appreciated. PS... I see they've managed ZILCH thus far!  ;D ;D ;D They'll tell us about their positive agenda at the next election..until then we dont need to know what it is  ;D

Just as Rudd did in 2007 and as ALL oppositions now do.

Get over it.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:21pm:

Just as Rudd did in 2007 and as ALL oppositions now do. Get over it.

Why the bugger should we get over it?
It leads to bad outcomes.
It stinks of deception.
It relies on ignorant people making ill informed decisions.

Why can't we ALL demand better?

If Rudd stuck his head in the fire would you expect Tony too, as my mum used to say?
Of course not.
If his the messiah, if the Liberal party are the better government than take a stand & inform us of your plans & tell us truthfully how they would be achieved.

But that's not going to happen, Tony will release his thought bubbles 2 weeks before the polling day, tell us his figures add up & on the circus rolls >:(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Just as Rudd did in 2007 and as ALL oppositions now do. Get over it. Why the bugger should we get over it? It leads to bad outcomes. It stinks of deception. It relies on ignorant people making ill informed decisions. Why can't we ALL demand better? If Rudd stuck his head in the fire would you expect Tony too, as my mum used to say? Of course not. If his the messiah, if the Liberal party are the better government than take a stand & inform us of your plans & tell us truthfully how they would be achieved. But that's not going to happen, Tony will release his thought bubbles 2 weeks before the polling day, tell us his figures add up & on the circus rolls >:(

Which is exactly what phony Tony is depending on. Who else remembers the 12 billion dollar black hole phony Tony had last election? now ask your self again, why would phony Tony want his policies out there and scrutinised? he's a dog and so are his supporters that condone these actions.

Phoney Skippy is a Royalist who pretends to be a Republican so make of his credibility what you will....:P

I too wish that Tony would actually reveal/release some policies, although I do understand his reluctance to do so.

Most of all, I just want this stinking government to go. I am no Abbott fan, but I will take him any day over Gillard, or anyone else in Labor.

Prevailing wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:49pm:

Phoney Skippy is a Royalist who pretends to be a Republican so make of his credibility what you will....:P

Here you go, corporate maggot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBo0LLlKu5Q

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Just as Rudd did in 2007 and as ALL oppositions now do. Get over it. Why the bugger should we get over it? It leads to bad outcomes. It stinks of deception. It relies on ignorant people making ill informed decisions. Why can't we ALL demand better? If Rudd stuck his head in the fire would you expect Tony too, as my mum used to say? Of course not. If his the messiah, if the Liberal party are the better government than take a stand & inform us of your plans & tell us truthfully how they would be achieved. But that's not going to happen, Tony will release his thought bubbles 2 weeks before the polling day, tell us his figures add up & on the circus rolls >:(

In a perfect worl, I'd agree with you. But the truth is that the notion of releasing a full pollicy suite well ahead of the election died in 1993. The Libs did just that and lost an unloseable election because the gave the govt all the ammunition and information they needed well ahead of time. Since then, no opposition has released much prior to the elecion campaign. if you want to complain about it then blame the voter. They punished a party for exactly what you are demanding. I too would like a great deal more transparency and better behaviour. But in a classic example of why that will never be, the ALP is attacking a Vic Lib for using his govt car on private business and demanding he be sacked while the same party expects Thomson to be ignored. THIS is why things are so bad.

EVIL is exonerated
TRIVIAL is punished
TRANSPARENCY is abused

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 1:33pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:21pm: Just as Rudd did in 2007 and as ALL oppositions now do. Get over it. Why the bugger should we get over it? It leads to bad outcomes. It stinks of deception. It relies on ignorant people making ill informed decisions. Why can't we ALL demand better? If Rudd stuck his head in the fire would you expect Tony too, as my mum used to say? Of course not. If his the messiah, if the Liberal party are the better government than take a stand & inform us of your plans & tell us truthfully how they would be achieved. But that's not going to happen, Tony will release his thought bubbles 2 weeks before the polling day, tell us his figures add up & on the circus rolls >:(

he expects the voters to be stupid, gullible and easily bought.  tell me he isnt right!

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 5:54pm:

In a perfect worl, I'd agree with you. But the truth is that the notion of releasing a full pollicy suite well ahead of the election died in 1993. The Libs did just that and lost an unloseable election because the gave the govt all the ammunition and information they needed well ahead of time. Since then, no opposition has released much prior to the elecion campaign. if you want to complain about it then blame the voter. They punished a party for exactly what you are demanding. I too would like a great deal more transparency and better behaviour. But in a classic example of why that will never be, the ALP is attacking a Vic Lib for using his govt car on private business and demanding he be sacked while the same party expects Thomson to be ignored. THIS is why things are so bad.

Maybe, maybe it was because Hewson didnt really know what his was doing.
The very first angle of rebuttal should have been to highlight Keating wanted this change to our taxation system but was overuled, not because it wasn't good policy but because Labor new they had worn out the Australian public capacity for reform with all the other economic changes.
Hewson should have known his own policy backwards as well, there was no excuse to be caught as he was by Ray Martin.


longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 5:56pm:

he expects the voters to be stupid, gullible and easily bought.  tell me he isnt right!

Unfortunately you are correct, we live in the middle of the "Me Generations"

If the Libs are going to bag Labor policy they should come up with fully costed and viable alternatives.
Imagine going to a business meeting, disagreeing with important decisions and your only come back is...it just is

You wouldnt last 5 seconds in business.

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:47pm:

If the Libs are going to bag Labor policy they should come up with fully costed and viable alternatives. Imagine going to a business meeting, disagreeing with important decisions and your only come back is...it just is You wouldnt last 5 seconds in business.

Real world V Political world
:(

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:58pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 7:47pm: If the Libs are going to bag Labor policy they should come up with fully costed and viable alternatives. Imagine going to a business meeting, disagreeing with important decisions and your only come back is...it just is You wouldnt last 5 seconds in business. Real world V Political world :(

This is what ticks me off about the cozy duopoly

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 7:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 5:54pm: In a perfect worl, I'd agree with you. But the truth is that the notion of releasing a full pollicy suite well ahead of the election died in 1993. The Libs did just that and lost an unloseable election because the gave the govt all the ammunition and information they needed well ahead of time. Since then, no opposition has released much prior to the elecion campaign. if you want to complain about it then blame the voter. They punished a party for exactly what you are demanding. I too would like a great deal more transparency and better behaviour. But in a classic example of why that will never be, the ALP is attacking a Vic Lib for using his govt car on private business and demanding he be sacked while the same party expects Thomson to be ignored. THIS is why things are so bad. Maybe, maybe it was because Hewson didnt really know what his was doing. The very first angle of rebuttal should have been to highlight Keating wanted this change to our taxation system but was overuled, not because it wasn't good policy but because Labor new they had worn out the Australian public capacity for reform with all the other economic changes. Hewson should have known his own policy backwards as well, there was no excuse to be caught as he was by Ray Martin. longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 5:56pm: he expects the voters to be stupid, gullible and easily bought.  tell me he isnt right! Unfortunately you are correct, we live in the middle of the "Me Generations"

I refuse to believe and unloseable election was lost of the cake debacle. Even a dope would have to conclude it was nothing worse than a bad interview for which he was unprepared. But I do recall that election and the wy keatin campaigned where he pretty much lied toa gullible electorate who were prepared to beleive a very capable campaigner over simple facts. I said at the time that that election was going to end the notion of Oppositions bringing forward comprehensive policy platforms ahead of time. and I was right. Unfortuntately, we cant really blame pollies for it. We blame voters. Voters are by and large, uninformed and disengaged in the process. Combined with the fact that a fair swag are also quite stupid, political parties now have to play that reality. Hence the reason oppositions dont show their hand much before elections.

Do you really think you dont know pretty much the sum total of the Coalitions policies? Not the details perhaps but the broad thrust you do. Im betting you (and I) could jot down 10 major coalition policies right now and not be too far wrong. And when labor were in opposition, we could have done the same. But because voters are essentially quiet dumb, they get treated as mushrooms.

Quote:

Voters are by and large, uninformed and disengaged in the process. Combined with the fact that a fair swag are also quite stupid, political parties now have to play that reality. Hence the reason oppositions dont show their hand much before elections.

Thanks for filling us in on Phoney Tony's support base longy, but we already knew that.
Who says honesty doesn't pay?
Maybe you could try it again some time, you may start to get the hang of it. ;)

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

I refuse to believe and unloseable election was lost of the cake debacle. Even a dope would have to conclude it was nothing worse than a bad interview for which he was unprepared.

As we see now, the power of the tabloid media and shock jocks reaches far into Australian households.
Where political ignorance/apathy is worn as a badge of honour.


longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

But I do recall that election and the wy keatin campaigned where he pretty much lied toa gullible electorate who were prepared to beleive a very capable campaigner over simple facts.

You are describing Tonys current strategy


longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Unfortuntately, we cant really blame pollies for it. We blame voters. Voters are by and large, uninformed and disengaged in the process. Combined with the fact that a fair swag are also quite stupid, political parties now have to play that reality.

See the 2nd line of 1st response.


longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Hence the reason oppositions dont show their hand much before elections.

I'm not really calling for a finished product, just something with a bit more in depth than
"Stop the Boats"
"Axe the Tax"
I'm quite happy to wait until the election is called for costings, well as long as they come out in the 1st week of a 6 or 7 week campaign.


longweekend58 wrote on Jun 7^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

Do you really think you dont know pretty much the sum total of the Coalitions policies? Not the details perhaps but the broad thrust you do. Im betting you (and I) could jot down 10 major coalition policies right now and not be too far wrong.

If we had a traditional Liberal leader, probably yes, but Abbotts not a traditional leader, frankly IMHO his not a leader in anyway shape or form.
And before you start on with the poll numbers, be honest, if Gillard was not leading Labor with all her Rudd/CT baggage or even with that, Labor could annouce/introduce policy without shooting themselves in the foot Tony would be long gone or the Libs would be polling worse than Labor currently is.