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Title: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by imcrookonit on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:16am
More GST and working women 'vital for economy'
June 8, 2012 APPLYING the GST to food, health and education, increasing the participation of women in the workplace, and extending the retirement age to 70 have been identified as three key measures to keep the economy growing. :( A paper to be released today by Melbourne think-tank, the Grattan Institute, says the measures combined have the potential to increase the size of the economy by more than $100 billion. ''There's nothing else big enough to change the game over the next decade,'' it says. While the paper is generally sympathetic to calls by business and industry groups, it disputes the assertion linking productivity increases with deregulating industrial relations laws, saying there is no ''smoking gun''. The paper says the ''deadweight costs'' that business groups claim Labor's Fair Work Act creates ''appear to be relatively small'' and concludes there is no evidence that quantifies the economic drag caused by the act that replaced Work Choices. Due to the concessions forced by the Senate when the Howard government imposed the GST, the tax covers only 60 per cent of spending and excludes health, education and fresh food. The institute recommends the GST be applied to all these, which would raise an extra $31 billion a year in revenue and add $20 billion a year to the economy. Acknowledging such a move would be politically unpopular, it says it should be made revenue neutral with income tax cuts, welfare increases and a reduction in the company tax rate from 30 per cent to 21 per cent. :-? Although the extra revenue would be offset by these measures, the economy would grow because of the productivity increases driven by the tax cuts, the institute reasons. Lower income taxes would increase the incentive to work while the 9 percentage point reduction in corporate tax would boost foreign investment, creating jobs, as well as greatly benefit local business and industry. The states, which receive all the GST revenue, would have to cede some to the Commonwealth to fund the tax cuts and welfare increases but would be no worse off because the GST would be raising more money. ''If the Commonwealth [provides] … 8 per cent of a bigger pie rather than 10 per cent of a smaller pie, then the states would have little reason to complain,'' it says. The institute also identifies incentives to increase female participation in the workforce as vital and cites effective tax rates and childcare costs as one of the biggest barriers. The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, met childcare providers and unions yesterday and emerged with the pledge to put the industry on a more affordable and sustainable footing within months. In 2009, the Labor government announced the pension age of 65 years would be phased up to 67 by 2023 and the superannuation preservation age to 60 by 2024. The institute says these changes missed ''an opportunity for much more substantial reform''. It says to harness the most from the ageing population, the retirement age could be lifted to 70 and the preservation age to 63. Dispensation would be made for manual labourers. :( Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/more-gst-and-working-women-vital-for-economy-20120607-1zz3e.html#ixzz1x8zoMpGr |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by imcrookonit on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:18am
What a wonderful idea, lifting the pension age to 70, and chaining more people to the work bench. :(
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by nairbe on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:22am
The Grattan Institute. Softening up Australians for the next wave of pro business anti community changes. Abbott must love this stuff.
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by pansi1951 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:47am
What a cock up. Don't they know the industrial revolution is almost dead. Capitalism and consumerism is all but over. We're shopped out and flat out of $$$$$$. Less people will be working for the man, they'll be working for themselves in a sustainable economy.
It will be a whole new ball game in 50 years time and capitalism won't be part of it. It was an obvious failure. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by imcrookonit on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:58am
Keep people working until they are at least 70. All one has to do is put them down the mines. Plenty of jobs there, is it not so?. :(
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Soren on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:35am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:47am:
That's what they said in 1848! When they introduced 65 as the retirement age, most people died 66. No most people are fit and active until they are about 75 and live into their 80s. These same people have neglected to have enough kids to keep them in their dotage, so they will need to maintain themselves while they can. Remember, kids, you don't HAVE to work if you have other means to keep yourself. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:15am
Australia needs to increase its GST to roughly around 15-20% and lower direct taxation and broaden the brackets.
There should be a top rate of tax of 40%. A broadening of the middle bracket with the difference offset somewhat by the increase of GST to 20%. Current direct tax in Australia is oppressive and if you also drop some of the social aspirations Australia has - it may even become less of a nanny state... |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by cods on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:17am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:47am:
so what replace it pansi?.. you having an eye for the future.. bartering is also a form of capitalism it all depends how good you are at it.. same as saving ones money.. if you are good at it you are a capitalist.. if you are not so good then you become the borrower.. bartering is no different.. its just what is the most value on the day. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:22am Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:35am:
Of course you could always move back to the dear old dart where you can be closer to your British Queen...this is Australia mate - if you don't like it leave my country but we wont let you turn it into the Queens personal toilet bowl. :P |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:24am Andrei.Hicks wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:15am:
We do not appreciate people who do not live in our country sticking their nose into our business. :P |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:27am
We need to go back to our pre 1980's economy and stop them endlessly turning this country over into the worlds toilet bowl. This is a nation and community of people, not a socialist economic machine. Put your backs against the wheels of the machine until they hear our voice! :P
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:34am Prevailing wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:24am:
:) |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:45am
Not Your Country
:P :-* |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:10am Prevailing wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:45am:
What country is that? Looks like some crock of sh*t the Pacific Islanders think up. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:21am |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:24am
Up Ya Bum Corporate America -I don't sweat you - get out of my country.
:P |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Maqqa on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:07pm Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:35am:
Greece has a very early retirement age and look at where they are now |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:09pm
Work all your life so you can retire and govt says nope another 10 years sucker.
SOB |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by imcrookonit on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:15pm
Greece has a very early retirement age and look at where they are now. So did France, until the government tried to change it. Look at what happened. ( A new government. ) :)
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:17pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
You think libs wont do same thing? SOB |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Grandmaster on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:19pm
Gosh I never saw this coming. I'm sure flooding our shores with unproductive deadshits and their extended families has nothing to do with it.
Who woulda thought the benevolent welfare state utopia couldn't work forever? |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:20pm
Get out. :P
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by imcrookonit on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm
Well one certainly hopes not. Yet again though, one should not be surprised what libs would do. :(
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:21pm
Who are all these upper class British krunts they are bringing out to Australia? :P
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:22pm
Go on...P1ss off. :P
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by pansi1951 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:26pm
According to the averages, most men are near death at 80.
That means a hell of a lot would be half dead at 70. The miners won't last until they're 50 let alone 70, neither will the mines, so I suppose it doesn't matter lol.....I meant working in the mines, not living. Check out the graph. http://www.abs.gov.au/AUSSTATS/abs@.nsf/Lookup/4102.0Main+Features10Mar+2011 Youth unemployment is through the roof, yet we would rather keep the oldies clocking on. Who understands the reasoning behind that? |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:26pm Maqqa wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:07pm:
Greece also has to keep funding the upper class in the luxury they feel entitled to just like Aussies have to keep subsidizing Royalist leeches who think Aussies owe the British Empire a bonus. :P |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Andrei.Hicks on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:30pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
Greece and France are prime examples of why socialism does not work. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:36pm
What are the ABC hiring all of these British spin doctors as on air presenters? Get out of my country. You will never be as Australian as me - I grew here, you flew here - you don't tell me shyte in my own country. :-*
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by imcrookonit on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:39pm
The French people have decided. Strikes, protests, marches. They didn't want the government, to mess with their pension. What was the result?. Bye bye government. ;D
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:52pm
Take your foreign Industries and get out of my country...NOW! :P
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by longweekend58 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:57pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:18am:
coming from somone who doesnt work and has no intention of ever working doesnt exactly give you credibility. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by longweekend58 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 7:59pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:15pm:
and they were both stupid. The Greeks are beyond lazy and the french live with a sense of entitlement that is long since past. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:01pm Soren wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 9:35am:
Rubbish - we bring in 70,000 people every year who have to pay taxes |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by longweekend58 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:01pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
and the new one will end up doing exactly the same or go broke. as a NON-WORKER, you ahve no idea of the concept of actually paying your own way. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by John Smith on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:02pm
they should double the gst and raise the tax free threshhold to $50 ooo ....it would solve lots of problems but they are too gutless....
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:03pm Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:26pm:
According to my physiotherapist 50% of all people over 50 have arthritis in their back. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by pansi1951 on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:21pm longweekend58 wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:01pm:
I believe the new one is going to put taxes up to 75% for the big earners. Socialism must be catching on in Europe. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by cods on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:31pm
for a country that has the best economy in the worl d the envy of the world.lowest unemployment in the world..
then why is our govt doing some strange things.?? like selling off the farm.. taxing the hell out of everyone. driving our industry off shore. now talking of increasing the retirement age. and the GST of all things... cutting rebate on health all things that point to a coming recession rather than a prosperous country. whats going on swanny are you game to tell us? |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:39pm
I don't believe foreign and British Born migrants or refugees are entitled to a retirement pension. The age of a free lunch on the Aussie is over.
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Soren on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:50pm wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 12:39pm:
When was the last time the French got anything right?? |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:51pm
Swanny and his anglosphere corporate lunatics are trying to run a Eugenics purge through economics. That is all - get out of my country Swanny.
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Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Soren on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:52pm John Smith wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:02pm:
Yes. $50K per person. Indexed. |
Title: Re: More GST And Lifting The Pension Age To 70. Post by Prevailing on Jun 8th, 2012 at 8:56pm
British migrants are all dole bludgers who take Aussie jobs - they dont work hard enough and they are tax dodgers. 8-)
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