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Title: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm

Why doesn't ASIO send out apologies to all innocent people that they spied on?
How can someone singing a song be a threat to us?

What a waste of money & a gross invasion of privacy by our government.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/more-news/i-spied-on-top-aussies/story-e6frf7l6-1225738617130

Quote:

A FORMER ASIO spy has revealed he was made to snoop on prominent Australians, including former ACTU chief Jennie George.

Thomas Shepherd said he believed that in the 1970s and '80s, ASIO compiled dossiers on hundreds of leading Australians, including Bob Hawke, Gough Whitlam and Peter Garrett.

He said the list of those being watched included judges, entertainers and business figures.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by thelastnail on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 2:49pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 2:48pm:

another waste of tax payers money chasing the reds under the bed :(

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 2:52pm

Nail,

Quote:

another waste of tax payers money chasing the reds under the bed

ASIO should be cut down in size & forced to stop wasting our money.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm

Asio has such a big budget and nowhere to spend it. They had to play the game. It was their expert work (bungling) that got Zaky Mallah and Dr Haneef arrested. They end up costing more in compensation than they're worth. Trouble is we just don't have a big enough market for it.

You do realise that this thread and forum will be monitored by ASIO lol

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:19pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

ASIO does a lot more than ppl think. They actually run the private prisons and probably the detention centres (they used to anyway not sure if it got handed over to another private company a few years ago). They do the security assessments on the refugees anyway. They arent just spies as the propaganda would have you believe.

SOB

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:31pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Yes I do.
They are wasting our money watching us too.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by thelastnail on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:33pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Hello ASIO :P

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:33pm

Borg,

Quote:

ASIO does a lot more than ppl think.

I'm sure they do.
It keeps them in a job.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by thelastnail on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Yes I do.
They are wasting our money watching us too.

Yes I bet you we are all on their databases :D

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Yes I do.
They are wasting our money watching us too.

Sounds exciting, but it's just another top heavy inefficient government department. They seem to get as much wrong as they get right.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Mnemonic on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:36pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Yes I bet you we are all on their databases :D

This message board was probably set up by people employed by ASIO. :D

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:37pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

Yes I do.
They are wasting our money watching us too.

Sounds exciting, but it's just another top heavy inefficient government department. They seem to get as much wrong as they get right.

But did someone at ASIO really think that Peter Garrett was part of an armed revolution?
If so they need to see a head shrinker.
They should have been sacked.

How much of my hard earned tax payer dollars is wasted by Govt. depts?

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:47pm

One thing that really makes my blood boil is public servants
pissing my money up against the wall.

They are parasites preying upon hard working Australians.

Get off our backs - you lazy lumps of fat!

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Jasignature on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:48pm

Hey look! :o

I'm a www.COMmunist ;D ;D ;D

...who said Egalitarianism was the Australian version of Communinism - where everyone was given a job in the 'lucky country' ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by thelastnail on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:50pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Yes I bet you we are all on their databases :D

This message board was probably set up by people employed by ASIO. :D

a good way to catch all of the trpuble makers and descenters ;)

like sending a fake lottery ticket to all of the crooks and they all rockup to claim the price and get arrested at the same time :D LOL

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:51pm

Mnemonic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Yes I bet you we are all on their databases :D

This message board was probably set up by people employed by ASIO. :D

I think ASIO employees are a bit smarter than freeliar.

SOB

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:56pm

Quote:

I think ASIO employees are a bit smarter than freeliar.

They are very smart.
They create a fake problem & then come up with a solution.
Meanwhile we pay monster taxes to support their luxury lifestyle.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by pansi1951 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

READ AND RECORDED

and stored amongst the millions of internet porn sites that are on our government computers.

So ASIO had to look it over for security reasons, sure.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Jasignature on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:58pm

ASIO just leak this sort of stuff out to make them look as they are being professional for better or worse.
What they don't want people to know is that they supply the best porn amongst the military ranks from their Govt Funded 'stealth' Spy-Cams in the bedrooms of all the best babes.
If you ever spent time in the Military Training Bases you would know that they are sexual smorgasboards to the point some guys just can't help themselves and just 'expect' to get what they want. Apparently most females prefer the Navy - guess the Airforce boys are looking a bit gay lately.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 4:03pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:47pm:

READ AND RECORDED

and stored amongst the millions of internet porn sites that are on our government computers.

So ASIO had to look it over for security reasons, sure.

ASIO should be audited to see how much tax payer money
they have wasted in the last 30 years.
I bet it would run into $billions.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Jasignature on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 4:06pm

Can't wait till this Country goes 'Private'
owned by Lex Luther or Jabba the Hutt whatever...
and sells of the drain of our future = Politics!

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by falah on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 5:42pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Yes I bet you we are all on their databases :D

This message board was probably set up by people employed by ASIO. :D

I think ASIO employees are a bit smarter than freeliar.

SOB

I did at first wonder if this forum was run by ASIO, but then I figured surely nobody as stupid as Freeliar would get a job at ASIO.

ASIO requires a university degree before you get in the door. Doubt Freeliar has ever seen the inside of a univeristy.

One thing that you have to wonder is why ASIO never seems to spy on those on the right side of politics. They only seem to spy on lefties, Muslims and foreigners.

Every post on this forum goes into their database.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:05pm

falah wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 5:42pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:51pm:

Mnemonic wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:36pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:34pm:

Yes I bet you we are all on their databases :D

This message board was probably set up by people employed by ASIO. :D

I think ASIO employees are a bit smarter than freeliar.

SOB

I am sure it does -
& Muslim radicals & spies like you will be right at the top of their list. ;D

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by John Smith on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:14pm

maybe you morons ought to thank ASIO for helping keep you safe ... how would they know if someone is a threat or not if they don't investigate them ..... the same people complaining will be the first to complain when we get hit by some terrorist act .... how do you know s/he isn't some crackpot if you haven't checked them...

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:25pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:14pm:

So Peter Garrett was a big threat to national security?
You need to see a head shrinker for paranoia.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by falah on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:29pm

Maybe ASIO hynotised Peter Garrett. Perhaps he is some kind of Manchurian candidate.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrPGe6WO8p8

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:32pm

Threat to national security:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgukduYJZ44

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by John Smith on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:39pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:14pm:

So Peter Garrett was a big threat to national security?
You need to see a head shrinker for paranoia.

thats not what I said ... I said HOW WOULD YOU KNOW if they didn't look him over first ..... spies etc don't normally advertise their craft ... despite what you see on TV ...one spy I'm thinking of in particular,but I don't remember his name right now ... maybe if CIA looked him over the russians wouldn't have gotten so much sensitive info for decades .. but they, like you, thought he looked innocent and didn't bother

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:52pm

Quote:

You better check under your bed right now -
there could be a spy there. ;D

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by John Smith on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 8:46pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Quote:

You better check under your bed right now -
there could be a spy there. ;D

now your being stupid ... it's not my job to worry about spies, it's ASIO's job .. and here you are criticising them for doing it ... I don't think anyone will hijack my plane when I fly either, but that doesn't mean I don't want them to screen for weapons before I get on .... your just complaining for the sake of it .. as soon as any of the protective services ceased to exist you would bitch like my ex .....

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 9:02pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Quote:

You better check under your bed right now -
there could be a spy there. ;D

So - was Peter Garrett going to hijack a plane?

You have missed my point that money was wasted &
people's privacy invaded by fat public servants
placing our tax dollars in their pockets.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by falah on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:22am

THis article was published 3 years ago.

Quote:

Sunday Herald Sun
June 21, 2009 12:00AM

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by falah on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:25am

$171m budget blow-out takes the shine off ASIO's new HQ

Spy central ... ASIO's unfinished central office.

THE budding crown jewel in Australia's intelligence community - ASIO's new central office - has had another cost blow-out, with the Canberra lakeside behemoth now set to cost close to two thirds of a billion dollars.

The $631 million project will house the 2000-odd employees of the country's largest and most powerful intelligence agency, the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation, which is responsible for national security.

Now in its fourth year of construction, the building has become a handy metaphor for the unchecked growth of the intelligence community since 2001.
Advertisement: Story continues below

This month's blow-out, due to previously undiscovered asbestos on the site and contractor delays, means the building equals more than a third of the $1.5 billion one-year surplus announced by the Treasurer, Wayne Swan.

On the northern shore of Lake Burley Griffin with a view across the water to Parliament House, the building was announced in 2007 by the Howard government at a cost of $460 million.

The cost has ballooned several times since then - to $527 million in 2008, $589 million in 2010 and finally to $631 million this month. The new figure represents a 37 per cent, $171 million, increase on the initial cost.

Even in 2007, it was to be the most expensive Commonwealth building project since the construction of new Parliament House in the 1980s.

A spokeswoman for the Finance Department, which manages the construction, told the Herald the latest rise came from ''contractors underestimating the extent and cost of their works on this highly complex project''.

The spokeswoman also revealed the December date set for ASIO staff to begin moving in had been pushed back three months to early next year.

That was due to ''subcontractors underestimating the complex commissioning and security requirements of the building''.

''The extent of these increases in cost and program need to be viewed in the context of the size, complexity and length … of the project,'' the spokeswoman said.

And the latest price hike may not be the last, with about 60 electrical contractors forced to walk off the site yesterday when their company, Heyday Group, collapsed. The local construction union said it could take weeks before electrical contractors were able to return to the site.

Cost has not been the project's only issue. In March, the site was evacuated when at least 19 large glass panels on the building's facade fell off, and early last year, a teenager broke in and fell nine metres onto a concrete floor, where he lay for up to 36 hours.

http://www.smh.com.au/national/171m-budget-blowout-takes-the-shine-off-asios-new-hq-20120528-1zfbt.html

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by John Smith on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:27am

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 9:02pm:

John Smith wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 8:46pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 6:52pm:

Quote:

You better check under your bed right now -
there could be a spy there. ;D

So - was Peter Garrett going to hijack a plane?

You have missed my point that money was wasted &
people's privacy invaded by fat public servants
placing our tax dollars in their pockets.

they check 1000's of people every year, and maybe one or two are suspect ... you consider it a waste of money, I consider it money well spent .... i bet if we had our own 9/11 you'd be whingeing they 'should have checked they should have checked' ....

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by falah on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 9:44am

Summary of speech by given by renowned lawyer Rob Stary:

Quote:

What should I do if ASIO approach me?

There are two ways they can approach you, either formally or informally.

Informal:

- ASIO operatives may approach you and ask to have a coffee or a general chat (there is no such thing as a general chat because they will be recording the conversation covertly).

Must I answer their questions?

No, you do not have to answer their questions if they do not have a warrant. Robert's advice is to be polite to them and say that you have taken advice and you do not want to speak to them.

Even if you have not done anything wrong, there is no need to talk to them. Remember that they are not our friends and you may think that you have done nothing wrong but they are contacting you for a reason, not to have a friendly conversation. Their job is to collect intelligence...

If they keep hassling you, be firm and assertive and don't give in because you don't have to...

Formal:

ASIO may contact you formally, that is with a warrant issued by the Attorney General.

- Under the ASIO Act, you must attend their interrogation.
- You don't have a right to silence. You must answer their questions. (Up to 5 yrs prison sentence if you don't)
- You may not be entitled to a lawyer of your choice (they need substantial grounds for denying you of this right).
- No right against self-incrimination.
- You may be prosecuted if you notify anybody that you have been questioned by ASIO or the nature of the discussion.

If you don't comply with the above you may have committed an offence and may be charged.

Important note: If you are approached by ASIO and they say they have a warrant, you have the right to ask them to produce the warrant and see it. If they have a warrant to search your house, they will take anything they believe is of use to them (eg, laptop, books etc).

The only way they can enter your house without a warrant is if they appear to be friendly and you invite them in, which many people naturally do.

ASIO tactics:

- Covert operatives/infiltration. The use of this tactic has increased dramatically over the years as seen recently in the Melbourne terror trials where a Turkish police officer was used to infiltrate the group.

- Phone tapping/recordings. With advanced technology, they can tap into your conversations without you having a clue which may later be used as evidence. Some websites are flagged and if you visit them you may be monitored although it is legal to visit them. I'm sure this forum is also being monitored.

Do we have freedom of speech?

Yes we have freedom of speech but it is limited. You can voice your political opinion on a matter and there is nothing wrong with doing so. For example you can say "I think the Israeli government has committed war crimes and those perpetrators should be punished". If you say something along the lines of "the Jews have killed our brothers and sisters so we should fight against them...", inciting violence...then you will be in hot water.

General/Random notes:

- Be careful when sending money overseas, even if it may be for humanitarian purposes. For example, sending money to a region in Somalia which is controlled by Al-Shabaab will be an offence and you may be charged.

- Supporting groups that want to overthrow/destabilize a foreign government is an offence. (except for governemnts that Liberal and Labor don't like such as Taliban, Shabab, Iran etc.).

- The role of ASIO is to gather intelligence so little things may not seem like a lot to you but they will have other intelligence on you and can bring the two together to make something out of it...

- In some instances, you can easily be charged with obstructing an officer so avoid confrontation in all circumstances.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by pansi1951 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:06am

Thanks Falah. Jew realise I might be in a spot of bother with ASIO or the CIA. I know this because I am involved with the Occupy Movement, the Bradley Manning support group and Julian Assange, who I nominated for Australian of the Year back in 2010.

I am also a little left leaning and an anti war promoter.

Whenever will they realise that it's the right-wingers who are a danger to society?

I wondered why my resume to ASIO got rejected :)

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by John Smith on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:09am

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

Don't let one knock back get you down ... keep trying, apply again ...

:) :) :)

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:45pm

John Smith,

Quote:

No - I was just winging that they checked out Peter Garrett.
Singers should be exempt from scrutiny.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by falah on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:58pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:

John Smith,

Quote:

No - I was just winging that they checked out Peter Garrett.
Singers should be exempt from scrutiny.

Politiicians should be scrutinised. Mark Latham has said that some of them are working for foreign governments. Why doesn't ASIO investigate these traitors?

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:09pm

falah wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:58pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 12:45pm:

John Smith,

Quote:

No - I was just winging that they checked out Peter Garrett.
Singers should be exempt from scrutiny.

Politiicians should be scrutinised. Mark Latham has said that some of them are working for foreign governments. Why doesn't ASIO investigate these traitors?

It would be good if they investigated Downer to see if
he knew about the payoffs from the AWB to Saddam.
Downer signed the illegal contracts which gave money
for arms that could have been used against our soldiers.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Jasignature on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:12pm

My brother works for ASIO ;D

I still wonder if Peter Garrett's daughter was 'bombing' the ASIO photos' ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:19pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

My brother works for ASIO ;D

I still wonder if Peter Garrett's daughter was 'bombing' the ASIO photos' ;D ;D ;D

Please ask your brother why they investigated a singer.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by John Smith on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:23pm

Bobby. wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

My brother works for ASIO ;D

I still wonder if Peter Garrett's daughter was 'bombing' the ASIO photos' ;D ;D ;D

Please ask your brother why they investigated a singer.

what does the fact that he was a singer have to do with it? Does that somehow automatically mean he couldn't possibly be a threat?

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by bobbythebat1 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:31pm

John Smith wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:23pm:

Bobby. wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

My brother works for ASIO ;D

I still wonder if Peter Garrett's daughter was 'bombing' the ASIO photos' ;D ;D ;D

Please ask your brother why they investigated a singer.

what does the fact that he was a singer have to do with it? Does that somehow automatically mean he couldn't possibly be a threat?

'

True - even a little old lady could be a threat! :)

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Jasignature on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:34pm

My brother doesn't tell me boo.

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by Spot of Borg on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:18pm

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

My brother works for ASIO ;D

I still wonder if Peter Garrett's daughter was 'bombing' the ASIO photos' ;D ;D ;D

Yeah I had a relative that worked for ASIO too but they died so i cant ask them anything now.

SOB

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:41pm

Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jun 9^th, 2012 at 3:03pm:

actually that was the AFP - not ASIO.

try to keep up

Title: Re: ASIO spied on Peter Garrett
Post by longweekend58 on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 7:42pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 2:18pm:

It_is_the_Darkness wrote on Jun 10^th, 2012 at 1:12pm:

My brother works for ASIO ;D

I still wonder if Peter Garrett's daughter was 'bombing' the ASIO photos' ;D ;D ;D

Yeah I had a relative that worked for ASIO too but they died so i cant ask them anything now.

SOB

of course you did... and another that worked for CIA... and another that flew black helicopters that ferried Howard when you were a passenger...