Pure ecstasy 'safe' when taken responsibly - top health official

http://www.news.com.au/world/pure-ecstasy-safe-when-taken-responsibly-top-health-official/story-e6frfkyi-1226396366746


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Health expert says ecstasy risks overblown     Dangers arise when it's mixed with other drugs     "It has other harmful effects like crime"

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A TOP health official says taking pure ecstasy can be safe when consumed responsibly by adults, despite warnings by police about the dangers of the street drug after a rash of deaths. Perry Kendall, the chief medical officer of British Columbia province in Canada, said yesterday that the risks of MDMA - the pure substance synonymous with ecstasy - are overblown, and that its lethal dangers arise when gangs mix the man-made chemical with other toxic substances.

Has it got any actual uses other than to get high?

SOB

Actually, this is true of most drugs.

It's not the actual drug itself that's the danger, it's the unhygenic
manufacturing process, and the rubbish they cut it with.

At least that's not the case with cannabis.....

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Has it got any actual uses other than to get high? SOB

That in its self is medicinal

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Actually, this is true of most drugs. It's not the actual drug itself that's the danger, it's the unhygenic manufacturing process, and the rubbish they cut it with. At least that's not the case with cannabis.....

Yeah but its not every day you get it on a source that people who would like to cant refute.

The process does need to be improved but this is made impossible with unjust wars on private drugs.

Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system.

Who told you that?

I still wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole - anyone who does is a complete idiot.  In my life I've seen two sibling go totally off the deep end through drug use, and the consequences are immeasurable and irretrievable.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:38am:

[quote author=48647D5A51050 link=1339722671/2#2 date=1339724124] The process does need to be improved but this is made impossible with unjust wars on private drugs.

Are you serious?  If you think all that poo floating around out thee is just good fun and it's only the black hats in government that make it unhealthy - you're dreaming.

You only have to know some users of that poo to know the truth - get your head out of your ass.  I'm over 60 and let me tell you I went through the hippie era and so forth as a square - and I'm damned glad I did when I've seen the result of all that drug use.  I have one brother dead way too early and a sister totally insane - as is her daughter - through drug use.

You cannot persuade me - ever!

ALL DRUGS ARE NOT CREATED EQUAL.

Most things in life are safe if done responsibly, just saying.

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:41am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system. Who told you that?

Jesus

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 12:18pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: [quote author=48647D5A51050 link=1339722671/2#2 date=1339724124] The process does need to be improved but this is made impossible with unjust wars on private drugs. Are you serious?  If you think all that poo floating around out thee is just good fun and it's only the black hats in government that make it unhealthy - you're dreaming. You only have to know some users of that poo to know the truth - get your head out of your ass.  I'm over 60 and let me tell you I went through the hippie era and so forth as a square - and I'm damned glad I did when I've seen the result of all that drug use.  I have one brother dead way too early and a sister totally insane - as is her daughter - through drug use. You cannot persuade me - ever!

That really does not justify a war on drugs.
If you are worried about safety of people why not crusade against pharmaceutical companies as well who do far more immeasurable damage.
'illicit' drugs are just a scapegoat

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 12:51pm:

... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:41am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system. Who told you that? Jesus

I see.  Well it looks like jesus is telling you porkies.

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 12:12pm:

I still wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole - anyone who does is a complete idiot.  In my life I've seen two sibling go totally off the deep end through drug use, and the consequences are immeasurable and irretrievable.

From ecstasy?


I'm betting "no".

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:06pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 12:51pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:41am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system. Who told you that? Jesus I see.  Well it looks like jesus is telling you porkies.

Of course not all but majority of stuff on the street is hydro and filled with chemicals.

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:35am:

Actually, this is true of most drugs. It's not the actual drug itself that's the danger, it's the unhygenic manufacturing process, and the rubbish they cut it with. At least that's not the case with cannabis.....

"What is moderation? Let's just say that I've never met a person who smokes marijuana every day who I thought wouldn't benefit from smoking less (and I've never met someone who has never tried it who I thought wouldn't benefit from smoking more)."






http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/drugs-and-the-meaning-of-_b_891014.html




From a great article from Sam Harris that I highly recommend everyone on here read.

Some dealers mix other drugs into pot, particularly hydroponic pot. It helps to get the users addicted.

No they don't. 

These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser"

F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow. 

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.

Trust me people spray chemical fertilisers among other things directly on to the bud a few weeks before harvest.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 11:32am:

Has it got any actual uses other than to get high? SOB

It was originally a psychiatric drug made by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, it was prescribed to patients to help them open up for evaluation.

A few deaths have been recorded so how safe is it?

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:32am: Has it got any actual uses other than to get high? SOB It was originally a psychiatric drug made by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, it was prescribed to patients to help them open up for evaluation. A few deaths have been recorded so how safe is it?

Safer then a majority of legal drugs

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:43pm: No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.  Trust me people spray chemical fertilisers among other things directly on to the bud a few weeks before harvest.

er no.  If something is sprayed irectly onto it, that'd be a thing called "pesticide"


P E S T I C I D E - it's not to give you a bigger hihg, or to make you addcited, it just kills the bugs that would ruin your crop.

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:43pm:

No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.

I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it.

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:44pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:43pm: No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.  Trust me people spray chemical fertilisers among other things directly on to the bud a few weeks before harvest. er no.  If something is sprayed irectly onto it, that'd be a thing called "pesticide" P E S T I C I D E - it's not to give you a bigger hihg, or to make you addcited, it just kills the bugs that would ruin your crop.

Trust me it is done

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:53pm:

... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:43pm: No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.  I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it.

ahhh right you are.

But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are.  Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though. 

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:25pm:

... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:06pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 12:51pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:41am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system. Who told you that? Jesus I see.  Well it looks like jesus is telling you porkies. Of course not all but majority of stuff on the street is hydro and filled with chemicals.

Hydro cannabis is no different and no more 'dangerous' than a hydro tomato.

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:25pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:06pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 12:51pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:41am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system. Who told you that? Jesus I see.  Well it looks like jesus is telling you porkies. Of course not all but majority of stuff on the street is hydro and filled with chemicals. Hydro cannabis is no different and no more 'dangerous' than a hydro tomato.

Well if the cannibus was grown form a monsanto seed . . . .  good thing you smoke it instead of eat it.

SOB

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:40pm:

Some dealers mix other drugs into pot, particularly hydroponic pot. It helps to get the users addicted.

No, they don't, but it IS a fairly common misconception.

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:40pm: Some dealers mix other drugs into pot, particularly hydroponic pot. It helps to get the users addicted. No, they don't, but it IS a fairly common misconception.

lol. ive never seen it proven that its addictive at all

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:46pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:44pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:32am: Has it got any actual uses other than to get high? SOB It was originally a psychiatric drug made by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, it was prescribed to patients to help them open up for evaluation. A few deaths have been recorded so how safe is it? Safer then a majority of legal drugs

i takes a special kind of idiot to say that ectasy is less harmeful than a majoriy of other legal drugs.

But it certainly explains the inconsistent low quality of your posting. too many drugs floating around in that under-powered brain of yours.

... wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 1:56pm:

freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:43pm: No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.  I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it. ahhh right you are. But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are.  Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though.

They don't mix in large quantities, just enough to get you hooked, and enough to change the nature of the high enough to charge a premium for the 'quality' product. An addict is far more profitable than a casual user.

freediver wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 10:16pm:

... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:56pm: freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:43pm: No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.  I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it. ahhh right you are. But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are.  Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though.  They don't mix in large quantities, just enough to get you hooked, and enough to change the nature of the high enough to charge a premium for the 'quality' product. An addict is far more profitable than a casual user.

you got some evidence of this? I have worked in a field that brought me in contact with a lot of drug addicts and I never heard of anything like this. Nobody is worried about "addicting" anyone to weed.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:56am:

freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 10:16pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:56pm: freediver wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:53pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:43pm: No they don't.  These chemicals people talk about that hydros are "filled with" is called "fertiliser" F E R T I L I S E R - It's not applied directly onto the buds, it just makes plants grow.  I said other drugs GM, not 'chemicals'. Addictive drugs. Not sure which ones - whatever ones still work when you burn them. Think about it. ahhh right you are. But it'd be a very dumb dealer indeed who mixed in meth or other drugs and sold it as weed, when you consider how much more expensive they are.  Nothing to stop people mixing up their own snow cones though.  They don't mix in large quantities, just enough to get you hooked, and enough to change the nature of the high enough to charge a premium for the 'quality' product. An addict is far more profitable than a casual user. you got some evidence of this? I have worked in a field that brought me in contact with a lot of drug addicts and I never heard of anything like this. Nobody is worried about "addicting" anyone to weed. SOB

That's because it is not just weed. And no I do not have evidence.

Kat wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:25pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:06pm: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 12:51pm: ... wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:41am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:38am: Cannabis producers still use extremely dangerous chemicals in most cases, they spray lethal stuff directly onto the bud right before harvest. Once again a product of the same system. Who told you that? Jesus I see.  Well it looks like jesus is telling you porkies. Of course not all but majority of stuff on the street is hydro and filled with chemicals. Hydro cannabis is no different and no more 'dangerous' than a hydro tomato.

No but its the hydro that usually gets the chemicals sprayed on it. More often then not I think.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 15^th, 2012 at 6:12pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:46pm: Baronvonrort wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 1:44pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 15th, 2012 at 11:32am: Has it got any actual uses other than to get high? SOB It was originally a psychiatric drug made by Sandoz Pharmaceuticals, it was prescribed to patients to help them open up for evaluation. A few deaths have been recorded so how safe is it? Safer then a majority of legal drugs i takes a special kind of idiot to say that ectasy is less harmeful than a majoriy of other legal drugs. But it certainly explains the inconsistent low quality of your posting. too many drugs floating around in that under-powered brain of yours.

So you going to back up your claims then?

Prescription Drugs Kill 300 Percent More Americans Than Illegal Drugs

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A report by the Florida Medical Examiners Commission has concluded that prescription drugs have outstripped illegal drugs as a cause of death.     An analysis of 168,900 autopsies conducted in Florida in 2007 found that three times as many people were killed by legal drugs as by cocaine, heroin and all methamphetamines put together. According to state law enforcement officials, this is a sign of a burgeoning prescription drug abuse problem.     "The abuse has reached epidemic proportions," said Lisa McElhaney, a sergeant in the pharmaceutical drug diversion unit of the Broward County Sheriff's Office. "It's just explosive."     In 2007, cocaine was responsible for 843 deaths, heroin for 121, methamphetamines for 25 and marijuana for zero, for a total of 989 deaths. In contrast, 2,328 people were killed by opioid painkillers, including Vicodin and Oxycontin, and 743 were killed by drugs containing benzodiazepine, including the depressants Valium and Xanax.     Alcohol directly caused 466 deaths, but was found in the bodies of 4,179 cadavers in all.     While the number of dead bodies containing heroin jumped 14 percent from the prior year, to a total of 110, the number of deaths influenced by the painkiller oxycodone increased by 36 percent, to a total of 1,253.     Across the country, prescription drugs have become an increasingly popular alternative to the more difficult to acquire illegal drugs. Even as illegal drug use among teenagers have fallen, prescription drug abuse has increased. For example, while 4 percent of U.S. 12th graders were using Oxycontin in 2002, by 2005 that number had increased to 5.5 percent.     It's not hard for teens to come by prescription drugs, according to Sgt. Tracy Busby, supervisor of the Calaveras County, Calif., Sheriff's Office narcotics unit.     "You go to every medicine cabinet in the county, and I bet you're going to find some sort of prescription medicine in 95 percent of them," he said.     Adults can acquire prescriptions by faking injuries, or by visiting multiple doctors and pharmacies for the same health complaint. Some people get more drugs than they expect to need, then sell the extras.

Whats the bet you do not reply

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i takes a special kind of idiot to say that ectasy is less harmeful than a majoriy of other legal drugs.

It takes a smart person to back away when he knows he is wrong longy  ;)

Someone please acknowledge that I won  :D

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. ever heard of the term PRO-RATA???

and then again there is the other side of the coin which is 'how many lives we SAVED by prescription drugs. ANSWER: MILLIONS

how many lives were saved by the used of ecstasy etc? ANSWER NONE


easy as.

IDIOT

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EVERY american takes prescription drugs

Whereas only 90% use drugs recreationally?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. ever heard of the term PRO-RATA??? and then again there is the other side of the coin which is 'how many lives we SAVED by prescription drugs. ANSWER: MILLIONS how many lives were saved by the used of ecstasy etc? ANSWER NONE easy as. IDIOT

MDMA was first used as a psychotherapy drug with positive results.


Then it was made illegal.

MDMA COULD be used in a positive and therapeutic way and could save lives and/or improve the quality of lives.



Illegality doesnt automatically equal "bad".

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. IDIOT

Drugs have been used by man since caveman days.

It's in our nature (thank zeus) to seek mind altering and conscience expanding substances.

Many lives have been positively affected by the use of psychoactive and hallucinogenic drugs.

Look at steve jobs experiences. Look at francis cricks experiences. sigmund freud. and many many others.


http://www.cracked.com/article_16532_the-5-greatest-things-ever-accomplished-while-high.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2009/oct/23/lsd-ecstacy-health-benefits

some minds improve by alteration, others are ruined. there is no way of predicting who'll go which way.

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:49pm:

for goodness sake you moronic twit. did you ever do BASIC MATHS???? EVERY american takes prescription drugs whereas a very small minority are stupid enough take narcotics and other drugs. ever heard of the term PRO-RATA??? and then again there is the other side of the coin which is 'how many lives we SAVED by prescription drugs. ANSWER: MILLIONS how many lives were saved by the used of ecstasy etc? ANSWER NONE easy as. IDIOT

Please you are calling me an idiot? You only say this stuff because you are affixed to oppose 'the left'. Even tho the left has nothing to do with this.
Prescription drugs are more dangerous even in ratio. Plus its harder to weigh up because prescription drugs have more long term effects where as illicit is mainly just immediate.
With you argument one would assume that you wouldn't have anything against weed which isn't dangerous? But no as a perfect example of your unscrupulous bias you are opposed to that to which really makes your opinions invalid as even they are not subject to your own logic.
Plenty of lives have been helped by ecstasy, there are many pharmaceutical drugs which serve the same purpose i.e. brain stimulation.
You are pathetic.

freediver wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 5:52pm:

Quote: EVERY american takes prescription drugs Whereas only 90% use drugs recreationally?

Almost all have tried drugs at some time, especially pot. Which as you can see long weekend is opposed to even tho by his 'logic' it would be ok.

Bertram wrote on Jun 16^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

some minds improve by alteration, others are ruined. there is no way of predicting who'll go which way.

The human is hardwired to alter his state of consciousness.
At the end of the day there is less reason to be angry at illicits then there is pharmaceuticals.

Given the sometimes breathtaking stupidity of some posters on here it is not at all surprising that so many are pro-drugs. You are the product of your own stupidy and OH DOES IT SHOW.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm: some minds improve by alteration, others are ruined. there is no way of predicting who'll go which way. The human is hardwired to alter his state of consciousness. At the end of the day there is less reason to be angry at illicits then there is pharmaceuticals.

you are saying that illicit drugs are preferable to licit ones? would you do away with all the drug testing and trialling requirements  and just let illicit drugs be bought and sold on the streets?  or ban drug companies that employ more than what? 20 people?100? where's the demarcation here between illicit and licit as you see it?

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

Given the sometimes breathtaking stupidity of some posters on here it is not at all surprising that so many are pro-drugs. You are the product of your own stupidy and OH DOES IT SHOW.

And you are the product of your own experiential ignorance and the ignorance of others.



It is not the ramblings of a stupid person when steve jobs says that his experiences on LSD were " "one of the two or three most important things [he had] done in [his] life"" and that it was  ""a positive life-changing experience""

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs


Francis crick was no dummy either.


Nor is Kary Mullis;

" In a Q&A interview published in the September, 1994, issue of California Monthly, Mullis said, "Back in the 1960s and early '70s I took plenty of LSD. A lot of people were doing that in Berkeley back then. And I found it to be a mind-opening experience. It was certainly much more important than any courses I ever took."[29] During a symposium held for centenarian Albert Hofmann, "Hofmann revealed that he was told by Nobel-prize-winning chemist Kary Mullis that LSD had helped him develop the polymerase chain reaction that helps amplify specific DNA sequences."[30] Replying to his own postulate during an interview for BBC's Psychedelic Science documentary, "What if I had not taken LSD ever; would I have still invented PCR?" He replied, "I don't know. I doubt it. I seriously doubt it."





you have swallowed the  propaganda hook line and sinker.


If you tried lsd you would most certainly feel different towards it.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17^th, 2012 at 11:21am:

Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm: some minds improve by alteration, others are ruined. there is no way of predicting who'll go which way. The human is hardwired to alter his state of consciousness. At the end of the day there is less reason to be angry at illicits then there is pharmaceuticals.

I dont know about hardwired (didnt someone post about rats that went for the drug when they were overcrowded but the food when they were okay?) but we do seem to have a propensity for it. Its not like any of us are actually free. Geez we cant even say what we want mush less do what we want. All our lives we do what we are told. Drugs make this easier apparently. If ppl need drugs to cope with modern society they should be allowed to have them imo.

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

Given the sometimes breathtaking stupidity of some posters on here it is not at all surprising that so many are pro-drugs. You are the product of your own stupidy and OH DOES IT SHOW.

You are pro drugs too.

Bertram wrote on Jun 19^th, 2012 at 9:57pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:21am: Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm: some minds improve by alteration, others are ruined. there is no way of predicting who'll go which way. The human is hardwired to alter his state of consciousness. At the end of the day there is less reason to be angry at illicits then there is pharmaceuticals. you are saying that illicit drugs are preferable to licit ones? would you do away with all the drug testing and trialling requirements  and just let illicit drugs be bought and sold on the streets?  or ban drug companies that employ more than what? 20 people?100? where's the demarcation here between illicit and licit as you see it?

No I am saying that they are generally both as bad as each other.
The drug testing is a joke, proper testing should take a lot longer then what they do to fully understand all the possibility's.
Illicit drugs are already brought and sold on the streets.
Drug companies need stricter rules and regulations, the entire industry right down to the drs. need to be completely
changed, its dangerous and disgusting. People find it cliche I think but the commercialisation of it, at least in our current system is not a good thing.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 6:37am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 17th, 2012 at 11:21am: Bertram wrote on Jun 16th, 2012 at 7:50pm: some minds improve by alteration, others are ruined. there is no way of predicting who'll go which way. The human is hardwired to alter his state of consciousness. At the end of the day there is less reason to be angry at illicits then there is pharmaceuticals. I dont know about hardwired (didnt someone post about rats that went for the drug when they were overcrowded but the food when they were okay?) but we do seem to have a propensity for it. Its not like any of us are actually free. Geez we cant even say what we want mush less do what we want. All our lives we do what we are told. Drugs make this easier apparently. If ppl need drugs to cope with modern society they should be allowed to have them imo. SOB

Hardwired to alter consciousness if the environment is not suitable. Sorry should have been more specific.

Yes no one is drug free and illicit and licit drugs are the same thing with  very different lobby groups.

People clearly need something to cope.

Who did the 'hardwiring'?

Soren wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:14am:

Who did the 'hardwiring'?

Jesus

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:15am:

Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:14am: Who did the 'hardwiring'? Jesus

lolololololol

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:31am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:15am: Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:14am: Who did the 'hardwiring'? Jesus lolololololol SOB

You laugh as if you knew who did the hardwiring. It makes you look even more ridiculous than usual.

Soren wrote on Jun 20^th, 2012 at 10:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:31am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:15am: Soren wrote on Jun 20th, 2012 at 10:14am: Who did the 'hardwiring'? Jesus lolololololol SOB You laugh as if you knew who did the hardwiring. It makes you look even more ridiculous than usual.

I was laughing @ his sarcasm and your acceptance of it as fact.

The hardwiring obviously wasnt done by anyone.

SOB