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Message started by Awesome on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:54pm

Title: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Awesome on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:54pm
EXCLUSIVE: Thousands are expected to lose their jobs in Latrobe Valley ahead of the carbon tax next month, and the city is asking state and federal governments to absorb some of the economic pain.

With the carbon tax due to start next month, Latrobe Valley expects thousands to lose their jobs.

A Victoria University study found the valley will be one of the areas worst affected by the carbon tax since it generates most of the state's electricity.

The Mayor of Latrobe City Ed Vermeulen expects around 2,000 job losses and is asking state and federal governments to absorb some of the economic pain.

“Our approach is to economically diversify the area here and we're working hard on that for instance we have the only aeroplane factory in Australia in Latrobe city,” he said.

But despite the best intentions, job losses are likely, and strikes that could cripple Victoria's electricity generation could follow.

Green groups, however, argue that the carbon tax will not have a signficant impact on the local economy.

“What we're seeing is Latrobe Valley generators are getting very large amounts of compensation in the early years of the scheme,” Mark Wakeham from Environment Victoria said.

As part of its carbon plan, the government is negotiating the closure of the worst polluting power stations. It will buy around 2,000 megawatts of capacity and then shut them down.

The Nationals' federal member for Gippsland, Darren Chester says the closure program is only making things worse.

“We're talking about hundreds of jobs hundreds of well-paid jobs being taken out of the local economy,” he said, “and that's all adding to this crisis of confidence in the local community.”

But some believe the carbon tax will actually help the valley.

The Gippsland Trades and Labour Council’s John Parker says the scheme brings certainty, and more jobs would be lost without the tax.

“Over the last ten years we haven't had that certainty,” said Mr Parker, “there's been no investment in the Latrobe Valley.”

So far, three Latrobe Valley power stations have been shortlisted.

EXTENDED INTERVIEW

SBS’s Richard Davis travelled to the valley and spoke to power station worker, Angelo Gaudiano, who reveals the personal cost of pricing carbon.

Angelo Gaudiano expects to lose his job after the carbon tax begins and is deeply frustrated that the valley is carrying much of the burden of reducing greenhouse gas emissions.


Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by adelcrow on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:57pm
How many new jobs have already been created in carbon free industries and how many more to come?
Old jobs go and new ones are created..its the way its always been
Burning coal to create electricity is an old and dirty technology and should have been scrapped decades ago

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Shane B on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:58pm
Jobs gone, for such a pointless tax that won't change the weather one bit.  :(  :(

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:59pm
It is a shame and a blot on successive Victorian governments over the last 30 years have allowed this grand pollution machine to exist, to continue and not to have brought down successively restrictive regulations so that today's electricity generation would be breathaable with only modest carbon emissions and reduced levels of cancer and respiratory disorders. Without a carbon tax, the ownership will certainly not make any clean up investment.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Awesome on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:59pm
Interesting question. How many green jobs have been created in the latrobe valley? Somehow I think these workers will be living off the dole for a while in wait for those 'green' jobs.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Shane B on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:00pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:57pm:
How many new jobs have already been created in carbon free industries and how many more to come?
Old jobs go and new ones are created..its the way its always been
Buring coal to create electricity is an old and dirty technology and should have been scrapped decaades ago


Yes please tell us, how many jobs? I'm keen to know.

Agree with your second point, we should have embraced nuclear energy years ago.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by adelcrow on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:03pm

Shane B wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:58pm:
Jobs gone, for such a pointless tax that won't change the weather one bit.  :(  :(


We should never have had indoor plumbing and sewerage treatment plants because it put thousands of night cart workers out if a job in this country.
We should never had stopped whaling because it put thousands of whalers out of work n this country.
We should never have invented the electric light bulb because it put thousands of candle makers out of work in this country.
We should never have invented PC's because they put millions of office workers of work.
The list goes on forever

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:07pm

Shane B wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:00pm:

adelcrow wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:57pm:
How many new jobs have already been created in carbon free industries and how many more to come?
Old jobs go and new ones are created..its the way its always been
Buring coal to create electricity is an old and dirty technology and should have been scrapped decaades ago


Yes please tell us, how many jobs? I'm keen to know.

Agree with your second point, we should have embraced nuclear energy years ago.




Unfortunately Abbott is too gutless to lead the hard right on nuclear.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by salad in on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:09pm

Awesome wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:54pm:
EXCLUSIVE: Thousands are expected to lose their jobs in Latrobe Valley ahead of the carbon tax next month, and the city is asking state and federal governments to absorb some of the economic pain.

[...]


Don't you worry about a thing. The cost to households of the carbon tax is just .7%! It's less than the price of a flat white once a week.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Awesome on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:12pm
That won't matter much if you dont have a job.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:12pm

salad in wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:09pm:

Awesome wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:54pm:
EXCLUSIVE: Thousands are expected to lose their jobs in Latrobe Valley ahead of the carbon tax next month, and the city is asking state and federal governments to absorb some of the economic pain.

[...]


Don't you worry about a thing. The cost to households of the carbon tax is just .7%! It's less than the price of a flat white once a week.



I'm more worried about Whyalla being wiped off the map on July 1st 2012.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Shane B on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:13pm
If the impact of the tax on households, according to some here, supposed to be quite low, then why is the Government desperately shovelling money out the door to 'compensate' people?

This carbon tax is just a trojan horse for
Statism.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by salad in on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:15pm

Awesome wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:12pm:
That won't matter much if you dont have a job.


But you will have time to drink that flat white without the need to slam it down fast. And while you are drinking the coffee you can think of Julia Gillard and how she will control the earth's temperature. Good Gawd! Aren't we lucky to be living in this period of time.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:19pm

salad in wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:15pm:

Awesome wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:12pm:
That won't matter much if you dont have a job.


But you will have time to drink that flat white without the need to slam it down fast. And while you are drinking the coffee you can think of Julia Gillard and how she will control the earth's temperature. Good Gawd! Aren't we lucky to be living in this period of time.



Since the hard right have the same goal, how much will 'direct action' lower world temps?

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by salad in on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:23pm
Go ask the hard right.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by salad in on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:26pm

Awesome wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:54pm:
EXCLUSIVE: Thousands are expected to lose their jobs in Latrobe Valley ahead of the carbon tax next month, and the city is asking state and federal governments to absorb some of the economic pain.

[...]


Remember this: if you drive a bus that is powered by natural gas that is considered a green job; if you work in a bicycle shop you are considered to have a green job. See how it works. I saw all that lunacy on one of the other blogs. I'll try to find it if I can.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Greens_Win on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:28pm

salad in wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:23pm:
Go ask the hard right.



They run when they get asked.

i.e Abbott hiding from interviewers.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Dnarever on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:32pm

adelcrow wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:03pm:

Shane B wrote on Jun 24th, 2012 at 7:58pm:
Jobs gone, for such a pointless tax that won't change the weather one bit.  :(  :(


We should never have had indoor plumbing and sewerage treatment plants because it put thousands of night cart workers out if a job in this country.
We should never had stopped whaling because it put thousands of whalers out of work n this country.
We should never have invented the electric light bulb because it put thousands of candle makers out of work in this country.
We should never have invented PC's because they put millions of office workers of work.
The list goes on forever



Any idea how many ice carters and ice workers were put out of work by the refrigerator?

A few million blocks of ice a few times a week.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Shane B on Jun 24th, 2012 at 8:54pm
Yes but they weren't taxed out of existence, they were replaced by technology.

I'll tell you by how much direct action will
lower the world's temperature, zero. I
don't support any action for what is a scientific hoax.

Title: Re: Thousands to lose jobs due to the carbon tax
Post by Awesome on Jun 25th, 2012 at 4:46pm
No surprise to see greens voters celebrating people losing their jobs.

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