Quote:

"Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html

If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power?

He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia.

An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.   

The price rises are from the Carbon Tax.  Abbott and the majority of Australians don't want the carbon tax and they don't want the price rises from it.

Informing people that their hard earned is being effected by the Govt's unmandated carbon tax is just sensible.

Trying to hide the FACT that it's Labor's unmandated carbon tax that is responsible for making life tougher for everyone by blaming Abbott is laughable from you lefties... ;D ;D ;D ;D

Yeh, maybe they will bring in a tax that actually makes prices go up. lol, you know, like the carbon tax.

This thread is dumb.

the amazingly powerful OPPOSITION LEADER. who wants to be PM anymore. ACcording to some, Abbott weilds more power than the PM.

idiots.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

the amazingly powerful OPPOSITION LEADER. who wants to be PM anymore. ACcording to some, Abbott weilds more power than the PM. idiots.

You are plural now? I guess the voices in your head have returned.  ;D ;D

It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for.

Shane B wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for.

if it werent so incredibly pathetic, it would be laughable. There has never been an opposition leader in all of history with his power.

Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB

Yeah, all those stupid proles can't think for themselves.

Quote:

An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community

Disastrous for race relations hey?

Howdya figure?

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:42pm:

Quote: An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community Disastrous for race relations hey? Howdya figure?

The Howard government were a disgrace in this area and all signs are that Abbnott would clearly be much worse.

Shane B wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:34pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Yeah, all those stupid proles can't think for themselves.

You do seem to have a bit of a problem.

What about the guy who was posting a biased story from the smellograph almost every day and suplimenting it with the Bolt opinion.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 12:50pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:44pm: It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for. if it werent so incredibly pathetic, it would be laughable. There has never been an opposition leader in all of history with his power.

this comment shows how stuupid you really are ... of course he has power ... he can stop legislation passing through parliament can't he? go find another bottle ... you make more sense when your drunk

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB

they interview him because Gillard and co blame him for everythign and INVITE the media to intervew him.

suck it up SOB. Abbott is the next PM. Anyhow, isnt it time for you to blame Howard for something like the Titanic sinking? dont you  'remember' that from somewhere?

Dnarever wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:57pm:

... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:42pm: Quote: An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community Disastrous for race relations hey? Howdya figure? The Howard government were a disgrace in this area and all signs are that Abbnott would clearly be much worse.

ahhh not terribly specific there.

I wonder why.

This is a opposition the likes of which we have never seen in this country.

They actively promote objectives that are bad for Australia such that it reflects badly on the current government.

Be it
1) The more boat people the better. The more that sink the better.
2) Encouraging price rises from the carbon tax. Justified or not.
3) Block company tax cuts.
and a lot of lower visibility things as well.

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 3:49pm:

This is a opposition the likes of which we have never seen in this country. They actively promote objectives that are bad for Australia such that it reflects badly on the current government. Be it 1) The more boat people the better. The more that sink the better. 2) Encouraging price rises from the carbon tax. Justified or not. 3) Company tax cuts. and a lot of lower visibility things as well.

Why would company tax cuts be bad for Australia? Wouldn't they make it a more desirable place to invest?

Shane B wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 3:52pm:

Doctor Jolly wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 3:49pm: This is a opposition the likes of which we have never seen in this country. They actively promote objectives that are bad for Australia such that it reflects badly on the current government. Be it 1) The more boat people the better. The more that sink the better. 2) Encouraging price rises from the carbon tax. Justified or not. 3) Company tax cuts. and a lot of lower visibility things as well. Why would company tax cuts be bad for Australia? Wouldn't they make it a more desirable place to invest?

I mean it the other way round. They blocked company tax cuts.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB

Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says???

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:05pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says???

Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime.

SOB

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB they interview him because Gillard and co blame him for everythign and INVITE the media to intervew him. suck it up SOB. Abbott is the next PM. Anyhow, isnt it time for you to blame Howard for something like the Titanic sinking? dont you  'remember' that from somewhere?

again your an idiot ... you watch gillard do an interview and she gives and answers to questions raised ... you ask abbott a question and all he can do is go on about what a bad govt. we have .... I watched gillard on Q and A when she was on and in 1 hour she never once tried to blame the libs ...abbott on the other hand can't answer his name without going on about bad govt ....

Swagman wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 12:29pm:

The price rises are from the Carbon Tax.  The Carbon tax has not caused the increase of anything sold in shops at this point in time Abbott and the majority of Australians don't want the carbon tax and they don't want the price rises from it. So the obvious option is to tell lies about it Informing people that their hard earned is being effected by the Govt's unmandated carbon tax is just sensible. How is this true? Answer it's not. Trying to hide the FACT that it's Labor's unmandated carbon tax that is responsible for making life tougher for everyone by blaming Abbott is laughable from you lefties...

So putting lies on placards and distributing them to outlets which are not impacted is OK then?

Dnarever wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:04pm:

So putting lies on placards and distributing them to outlets which are not impacted is OK then?

That in itself should be enough to see Lying Tony removed to the back bench. That a party which purports to be the alternative government would actively promote a campaign aimed at suggesting that business owners rip off consumers is beyond pathetic!

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

reduce prices by repealing the CT??

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB

Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten

On 1st July, the day when the carbon price, MRRT, tax cuts, etc, all came into effect who did SBS interview on their main evening news show? Tony Abbott.

Why would they interview Lying Tony rather than a government minister who would actually be able to speak about the measures introduced?

Beats me.

An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders.

Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer.
Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K.
He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million.
A point 0.217% rise.

Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much.

i saw that story ..hillarious ... i bet that business will go bust now .....

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much.

Tonys con is unravelling but at least he still has a future career in Nigerian banking scams

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 3:44pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB they interview him because Gillard and co blame him for everythign and INVITE the media to intervew him. suck it up SOB. Abbott is the next PM. Anyhow, isnt it time for you to blame Howard for something like the Titanic sinking? dont you  'remember' that from somewhere?

lol. Abbott will never be prime minister. They will dump him sooner or later. Someone else will lead lib to the next election. The way things are going with the media though lib may possibly get in. Wont make much difference though.

SOB

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten

Of course they do. Who do they interview whenever anything happens? Whenever theres a question? The government? no! the opposition! Who should they ask? Seriously . . . .

SOB

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 5:45pm:

An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much.

Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up. 

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:23pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten Of course they do. Who do they interview whenever anything happens? Whenever theres a question? The government? no! the opposition! Who should they ask? Seriously . . . . SOB

The question is how do they frame his answers?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:23pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten Of course they do. Who do they interview whenever anything happens? Whenever theres a question? The government? no! the opposition! Who should they ask? Seriously . . . . SOB

Whoever is the most POPULAR with the viewers...???

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:06pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.

Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix.
Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT.
And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax.

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:07pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:05pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:23pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten Of course they do. Who do they interview whenever anything happens? Whenever theres a question? The government? no! the opposition! Who should they ask? Seriously . . . . SOB The question is how do they frame his answers?

He frames his own answers . . .  wtf?

SOB

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:05pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:23pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB Which media???....ABC and Channel 7 certainly don't support the Coalition....I'm not sure about channels 9 and Ten Of course they do. Who do they interview whenever anything happens? Whenever theres a question? The government? no! the opposition! Who should they ask? Seriously . . . . SOB Whoever is the most POPULAR with the viewers...???

Shouldn't they - whoa out-of-the-box concept! - ask the ppl that know the answers? The government? Like with the carbon tax - who knows more about the policy the government who brought it in or the opposition who just repeats "bad govt bad govt" over and over?

SOB

I enjoy watching Abbott dodging questions and lying through his teeth..the more interviews the better as far as Im concerned

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:09pm:

... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:06pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.  Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix. Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT. And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax.

Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading. 

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:18pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:09pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:06pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.  Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix. Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT. And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax. Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading.

How?
The guy was with Abbott complaing about electricity increases, nothing said about anything else.
His electrity is going up 0.217% of his turnover.
ANY business with a TURNOVER greater than 5mill will be subject to a 1.5% tax.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:23pm:

... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:09pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:06pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.  Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix. Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT. And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax. Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading.  How? The guy was with Abbott complaing about electricity increases, nothing said about anything else. His electrity is going up 0.217% of his turnover. ANY business with a TURNOVER greater than 5mill will be subject to a 1.5% tax.

Whaddaya mean "how"?
Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges.  Electricty obviously isn't going to be the only increase, so to adequately compare the 2 plans (both rubbish IMO) at least account for all relevant factors. 

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:23pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:09pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:06pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.  Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix. Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT. And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax. Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading.  How? The guy was with Abbott complaing about electricity increases, nothing said about anything else. His electrity is going up 0.217% of his turnover. ANY business with a TURNOVER greater than 5mill will be subject to a 1.5% tax. Whaddaya mean "how"? Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges.  Electricty obviously isn't going to be the only increase, so to adequately compare the 2 plans (both rubbish IMO) at least account for all relevant factors.

Well than you will have to tell us what the other factors may be.
The business owner only cited electricity, as far as I know wheelie bins are made by moulding plastic with heat(hence the electricity cost).
Do you think Tony would have highlighted electricity ONLY if he had other ancillaries to add as well?

I've already corrected your assumption that fuel is subject to the CT, do you think you might have been mislead on other things?

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:23pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:09pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:06pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.  Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix. Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT. And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax. Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading.  How? The guy was with Abbott complaing about electricity increases, nothing said about anything else. His electrity is going up 0.217% of his turnover. ANY business with a TURNOVER greater than 5mill will be subject to a 1.5% tax. Whaddaya mean "how"? Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges.  Electricty obviously isn't going to be the only increase, so to adequately compare the 2 plans (both rubbish IMO) at least account for all relevant factors.

what are these relevant factors? or do you just like to make things up?

... wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:29pm:

Whaddaya mean "how"? Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges.  Electricty obviously isn't going to be the only increase, so to adequately compare the 2 plans (both rubbish IMO) at least account for all relevant factors.

Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges.

To some extent? The argument basically for the rise in transport costs etc comes back to the lower level increase - A higher increase business would mean a greater flow on cost as well, not so sure it is really apples and oranges just a different distribution of different fruits.

But then there is additionally - the removal of one the carbon price while still paying the compensation then on top taking the direct action plan out of our taxes as an addition all on top of other promises which all come from out tax dollars and leave many tens of billions if not hundreds of billions in unfunded spending all paid by our  Tax dollars.

With the removal of the carbon price will costs come down or will it just be swallowed up in a pretence with a minor downward trending of prices, it is almost certain that the end result would be the 0.21%  plus 1.5% plus a huge financial black hole in the budget.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 4:13pm:

gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB

im sure you believe that. Im sure you remember that howard banned the ALP from using the media sometime back when.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 7:08pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB im sure you believe that. Im sure you remember that howard banned the ALP from using the media sometime back when.

the media policy is made by the ppl in the positions to set the policy. the "slant" is set by the owner I expect. Rebeccah brooks got her orders from murdoch directly so i expect do the ones here. If you have been keeping up with the leveson enquiry you would know this. there is no law against it but imo there should be because the media has far too much power to manipulate the public. Before you start going off remember they can switch sides @ any time.

Lib and lab are the same though. Beats me how they decided which one to back haha.

SOB

Most small businesses owners would have more sense than to put up those posters. If any do I will be boycotting them.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 8:18am:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 7:08pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:13pm: gizmo_2655 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 4:05pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Its pretty disgusting really. The media gives him this power. They interview him instead of the government whenever anything happens or they have any questions. They show his gob everywhere. We hear his mantra over and over "bad govt this bad govt that". And the fools are listening. SOB Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion??? More people are interested in what Abbott says that what Gillard says??? Lol sorry no thats not the reason. the media actively supports the liberal party for some reason. No idea how they chose since lib and lab about exactly the same. However thats the way it is so the legitimately elected govt doesn't get the airtime. SOB im sure you believe that. Im sure you remember that howard banned the ALP from using the media sometime back when. the media policy is made by the ppl in the positions to set the policy. the "slant" is set by the owner I expect. Rebeccah brooks got her orders from murdoch directly so i expect do the ones here. If you have been keeping up with the leveson enquiry you would know this. there is no law against it but imo there should be because the media has far too much power to manipulate the public. Before you start going off remember they can switch sides @ any time. Lib and lab are the same though. Beats me how they decided which one to back haha. SOB

Perhaps the media are just following the publics opinion???

It has been much more the case that the media have been driving public opinion.

Sections of the media are deliberatly trying to drive ragime change.

News.com.au - Just from Today

Note you will not find anything positive to Labor or anything negative about the Liberals.

This is a policy driven outcome.

Julia Gillard in need is a Green friend indeed (Jemma Jones)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/julia-gillard-in-need-is-a-green-friend-indeed/story-e6frezz0-1226421979698

NSW Labor's massive broadside against the Greens has left Julia Gillard looking like a general who wasn't told the war had started.

Labors act cant hide the truth (Piers)

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/piers-akerman-labors-song-and-dance-act-cant-hide-the-truth/story-e6frezz0-1226419850129

Week One of the toxic carbon dioxide tax and the only friends the government can find are those it has paid to come to the party and the Greens…..

It seems that Labor cannot face the truth about the caustic effects of the tax that is itself the subject of the biggest lie ever told by an Australian politician during an election campaign to the electorate.

Doomed government applies a full-court press out of spite:

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/opinion/doomed-government-applies-a-full-court-press-out-of-spite/story-e6frezz0-1226418243588

Fairfax CEO Greg Hywood declined to join the others, claiming News was responsible for creating a problem for the media industry in this country........

This is a government which is led by a capital "L" liar (see carbon tax), which has lied about

Editorial

LIKE a bad marriage, the relationship between the Labor Party and the Greens has soured to the point of complete dysfunction.



Tax is one thing, rip-offs another

THE introduction of a carbon tax in Australia, as has been noted in many quarters, is problematic to say the least.

It brings an element of complexity and uncertainty into the economy at a time when it is already potentially fragile and there are no guarantees it will even deliver the environmental benefits it is designed to.

Paul Howes: Labor must turn on the Greens and destroy them

Hadley: Time to tell the people smugglers.

Sounds likr they're following public opinion.

Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Sounds likr they're following public opinion.

Yes but they used the crystal ball method and started first.

The media drive clearly leads the opinion.

Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Sounds likr they're following public opinion.

You obviously havent been following. Read it all again.

SOB

Shane B wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Sounds likr they're following public opinion.

FFS! You're slower than a wet week! Go back to page 1 of this discussion and read it all again.

Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 6:38pm:

... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:29pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:23pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:18pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:09pm: ... wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 6:06pm: Dsmithy70 wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 5:45pm: An interesting anticdote from yesterday in final cooments on insiders. Tony went to the central coast wheelie bin manufacturer. Complaining that his electricity bill will go up 185K. He was asked by a reporter what his turnover was, answer 85million. A point 0.217% rise. Now how much will Tonys PPL put on his bottom line, a 1.5% levy, in other word 7.5 times as much. Ahh but it's unlikely to say the least that electricity is his only expense.  0.217% rise on electricity, 0.217% rise on raw materials, 0.217% rise on fuel, 0.217% on distribution...it all adds up.  Well there's no CT on fuel for a start, so there's fuel and distribution out of the mix. Raw materials, well I don't know, wheelie bins are made of plastic, can you enlighten me on what the possible ingredients would be subject to the CT. And even if we ignore the fact that 2 of the 4 examples are not subject to CT we are still at under 1% .5% behind Tonys tax. Just saying that comparing 0.217% with 1.5% is misleading.  How? The guy was with Abbott complaing about electricity increases, nothing said about anything else. His electrity is going up 0.217% of his turnover. ANY business with a TURNOVER greater than 5mill will be subject to a 1.5% tax. Whaddaya mean "how"? Comparing an increase of 0.217% on his electricity bill alone, with 1.5% overall is comparing apples with oranges.  Electricty obviously isn't going to be the only increase, so to adequately compare the 2 plans (both rubbish IMO) at least account for all relevant factors.  Well than you will have to tell us what the other factors may be. The business owner only cited electricity, as far as I know wheelie bins are made by moulding plastic with heat(hence the electricity cost). Do you think Tony would have highlighted electricity ONLY if he had other ancillaries to add as well? I've already corrected your assumption that fuel is subject to the CT, do you think you might have been mislead on other things?

What you are insisting on, is that No other expenses are going to rise.  You're relying on all of his suppliers not being affected by the tax at all. 

What about the people who make the spare parts for his machinery?  Pretty sure they use electricity too.  Electricity thats going to rise in cost, and be passed on in price rises for the parts he needs to stay operating.

What about the people that make the resin he uses to mould the bins?  What makes you sure that they don't use electricity, and so won't have increased costs to pass down the chain too?

And of course, whether one aspect is not "officially" affected or not, lets say fuel, doesn't guarantee that the company will not put in a sneaky price rise to attribute to the carbon tax anyway.  Distribution companies have premises that require electricity too.  So just because fuel isn't affected, doesn't mean the company isn't affected at all.

Far out - theres a lot more to it than just saying "hey 1.5% is a bigger number than 0.217%. case closed." Though that is just the the sort of superficial "analysis" whoever uttered the statement was relying on Joe Citizen to make. 

Shane B wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 12:44pm:

It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for.

Didn't the woman on stage at the aboriginal rally in Canberra that turned into a near riot forcing Gillard and Abbott to flee refer to Abbott as PM? I'm sure she said "Prime Minister Abbott".

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

He's a coward and dinosaur.

The Chiknlitlabotasaurous

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:09pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:45am: Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.    He's a coward and dinosaur. The Chiknlitlabotasaurous

He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard.

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 3:13pm:

Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:09pm: Grey wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:45am: Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.    He's a coward and dinosaur. The Chiknlitlabotasaurous He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard.

kinky

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 4:02pm:

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:09pm: Grey wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:45am: Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.    He's a coward and dinosaur. The Chiknlitlabotasaurous He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard. kinky

You would have to be a horny bugger to come to that conclusion  ;D steer clear of me  ;) :-/

Quote:

Greg Earl Asia Pacific editor Darwin Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is pressing Australian companies to invest more in its domestic cattle industry as part of a plan to resolve the live cattle export tensions left over from last year, which simmered throughout this week’s annual leaders’ summit. Dr Yudhoyono stepped up the pressure in three speeches during the summit in a clear warning that Indonesia will not accept a return to trade based mainly on Australian cattle exports after last year’s ban. http://afr.com/p/national/indonesia_seeks_direct_beef_investment_BIzcJLTHEsZc8byAEQ4j6O

Australian beef producers are in talks with Indonesia to change their laws, in order to give foreign investors greater security. They want to invest not only in Indonesian abbatoirs, but also in feed lots. Creating strong ties in the worlds biggest muslim nation will give greater access not only to Asia but also the entire Muslim world.

Abbotts 'like it or lump it' attitude to Indonesia is going to help how? 

Grey wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 5:51pm:

Quote: Greg Earl Asia Pacific editor Darwin Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is pressing Australian companies to invest more in its domestic cattle industry as part of a plan to resolve the live cattle export tensions left over from last year, which simmered throughout this week’s annual leaders’ summit. Dr Yudhoyono stepped up the pressure in three speeches during the summit in a clear warning that Indonesia will not accept a return to trade based mainly on Australian cattle exports after last year’s ban. http://afr.com/p/national/indonesia_seeks_direct_beef_investment_BIzcJLTHEsZc8byAEQ4j6O Australian beef producers are in talks with Indonesia to change their laws, in order to give foreign investors greater security. They want to invest not only in Indonesian abbatoirs, but also in feed lots. Creating strong ties in the worlds biggest muslim nation will give greater access not only to Asia but also the entire Muslim world. Abbotts 'like it or lump it' attitude to Indonesia is going to help how?

perhaps what the relationshiup needs is a PM willing to push back a bit. We give them BILLIONS in aid and other help but when we want something... they are never there.

progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 4:16pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 4:02pm: progressiveslol wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:13pm: Dnarever wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 3:09pm: Grey wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 11:45am: Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.    He's a coward and dinosaur. The Chiknlitlabotasaurous He is our dinosaur, now if he could just eat that bad egg Gillard. kinky You would have to be a horny bugger to come to that conclusion  ;D steer clear of me  ;) :-/

your not my type ...

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 6:34pm:

Grey wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 5:51pm: Quote: Greg Earl Asia Pacific editor Darwin Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is pressing Australian companies to invest more in its domestic cattle industry as part of a plan to resolve the live cattle export tensions left over from last year, which simmered throughout this week’s annual leaders’ summit. Dr Yudhoyono stepped up the pressure in three speeches during the summit in a clear warning that Indonesia will not accept a return to trade based mainly on Australian cattle exports after last year’s ban. http://afr.com/p/national/indonesia_seeks_direct_beef_investment_BIzcJLTHEsZc8byAEQ4j6O Australian beef producers are in talks with Indonesia to change their laws, in order to give foreign investors greater security. They want to invest not only in Indonesian abbatoirs, but also in feed lots. Creating strong ties in the worlds biggest muslim nation will give greater access not only to Asia but also the entire Muslim world. Abbotts 'like it or lump it' attitude to Indonesia is going to help how?  perhaps what the relationshiup needs is a PM willing to push back a bit. We give them BILLIONS in aid and other help but when we want something... they are never there.

that rules Abbott out ..... he'd rather hide and pretend everything is OK ....

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 2:50pm:

Shane B wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:44pm: It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for. Didn't the woman on stage at the aboriginal rally in Canberra that turned into a near riot forcing Gillard and Abbott to flee refer to Abbott as PM? I'm sure she said "Prime Minister Abbott".

This is because the media interviews him instead of the PM when things happen that the PM should be interviewed about. Everything is about abbot. If they do mention gillard its what abbot thinks about her. On her birthday the headlines were "Abbott wishes PM happy birthday". WTH.

SOB

John Smith wrote on Jul 10^th, 2012 at 7:05pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 6:34pm: Grey wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 5:51pm: Quote: Greg Earl Asia Pacific editor Darwin Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is pressing Australian companies to invest more in its domestic cattle industry as part of a plan to resolve the live cattle export tensions left over from last year, which simmered throughout this week’s annual leaders’ summit. Dr Yudhoyono stepped up the pressure in three speeches during the summit in a clear warning that Indonesia will not accept a return to trade based mainly on Australian cattle exports after last year’s ban. http://afr.com/p/national/indonesia_seeks_direct_beef_investment_BIzcJLTHEsZc8byAEQ4j6O Australian beef producers are in talks with Indonesia to change their laws, in order to give foreign investors greater security. They want to invest not only in Indonesian abbatoirs, but also in feed lots. Creating strong ties in the worlds biggest muslim nation will give greater access not only to Asia but also the entire Muslim world. Abbotts 'like it or lump it' attitude to Indonesia is going to help how?  perhaps what the relationshiup needs is a PM willing to push back a bit. We give them BILLIONS in aid and other help but when we want something... they are never there. that rules Abbott out ..... he'd rather hide and pretend everything is OK ....

Yes longy that's it you twit, we really need to get indo right off side again your arrogant moron. You don't develop good relations by acting like you are a colonial power in a region where you are actually not so big. The liberal party put AU in a diplomatic ice box with indo for 10 years and things are now only just beginning to start to get back to where they once were. Abbott, the biggest mistake the country is about to make. It's like watching a teenager make the most stupid mistake of their life, you simply cannot get through to them how stupid it is yet Abbott will get elected anyway.

nairbe wrote on Jul 11^th, 2012 at 7:03am:

John Smith wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 7:05pm: longweekend58 wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 6:34pm: Grey wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 5:51pm: Quote: Greg Earl Asia Pacific editor Darwin Indonesian President Susilo Bambang Yudhoyono is pressing Australian companies to invest more in its domestic cattle industry as part of a plan to resolve the live cattle export tensions left over from last year, which simmered throughout this week’s annual leaders’ summit. Dr Yudhoyono stepped up the pressure in three speeches during the summit in a clear warning that Indonesia will not accept a return to trade based mainly on Australian cattle exports after last year’s ban. http://afr.com/p/national/indonesia_seeks_direct_beef_investment_BIzcJLTHEsZc8byAEQ4j6O Australian beef producers are in talks with Indonesia to change their laws, in order to give foreign investors greater security. They want to invest not only in Indonesian abbatoirs, but also in feed lots. Creating strong ties in the worlds biggest muslim nation will give greater access not only to Asia but also the entire Muslim world. Abbotts 'like it or lump it' attitude to Indonesia is going to help how?  perhaps what the relationshiup needs is a PM willing to push back a bit. We give them BILLIONS in aid and other help but when we want something... they are never there. that rules Abbott out ..... he'd rather hide and pretend everything is OK .... Yes longy that's it you twit, we really need to get indo right off side again your arrogant moron. You don't develop good relations by acting like you are a colonial power in a region where you are actually not so big. The liberal party put AU in a diplomatic ice box with indo for 10 years and things are now only just beginning to start to get back to where they once were. Abbott, the biggest mistake the country is about to make. It's like watching a teenager make the most stupid mistake of their life, you simply cannot get through to them how stupid it is yet Abbott will get elected anyway.

and what are we gtting for this supposed 'improved relationship'? we get to give tham a heap MORE money in returnfor zero co-operation over trade or boat people or anything else for that matter. Yes, they might talk a bit more no, but they still arent the slightest bit interested in actually doing anything for us ever, on eny topic of concern.

A few thousand reffos are only important to the Libs because they see that blowing it all out of proportion is their ticket to power.

If anyone thinks helping these people will sink the country they have no idea just how big our migration program is or the need for new citizens just to keep the economy ticking along in the future.
Neo cons may keep falling for Abbotts scams but most of us know there is more important things our leaders should be spending their time on.

Liberals actively encourage price increases.

Is it just coincidence that every time we see some nasty action that the Liberals always seem to be lurking in the background?

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11^th, 2012 at 6:25am:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:50pm: Shane B wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:44pm: It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for. Didn't the woman on stage at the aboriginal rally in Canberra that turned into a near riot forcing Gillard and Abbott to flee refer to Abbott as PM? I'm sure she said "Prime Minister Abbott". This is because the media interviews him instead of the PM when things happen that the PM should be interviewed about. Everything is about abbot. If they do mention gillard its what abbot thinks about her. On her birthday the headlines were "Abbott wishes PM happy birthday". WTH. SOB

So I suppose that is Abbotts fault too?  ;D

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 11^th, 2012 at 8:52pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 11th, 2012 at 6:25am: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 10th, 2012 at 2:50pm: Shane B wrote on Jul 9th, 2012 at 12:44pm: It's amazing how much power and influence Tony Abbott has. You'd be forgiven for mistaking him for PM - given so much he's apparently responsible for. Didn't the woman on stage at the aboriginal rally in Canberra that turned into a near riot forcing Gillard and Abbott to flee refer to Abbott as PM? I'm sure she said "Prime Minister Abbott". This is because the media interviews him instead of the PM when things happen that the PM should be interviewed about. Everything is about abbot. If they do mention gillard its what abbot thinks about her. On her birthday the headlines were "Abbott wishes PM happy birthday". WTH. SOB So I suppose that is Abbotts fault too?  ;D

When did I say it was abbotts fault? Of course he takes advantage of it in his childlike way but its the medias fault. Thing is i would be screaming just as loud if someone else was in power and the media kept interviewing the opposition instead of the government Its blatant.

And what is the "too" ?

SOB

"Work Choices" is back then!

Grey wrote on Jul 9^th, 2012 at 11:45am:

Quote: "Both RFG [Retail Food Group] and Brumby's Bakery system are apolitical organisations. We would ask that any franchisee who continues to display the placards referenced above immediately remove them from their business premises." Last month, the Opposition sent posters to small businesses that appeared to suggest a link between price hikes and the carbon tax. http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/political-news/brumbys-boss-quits-over-carbon-tax-pricehike-memo-20120706-21lxs.html If Abbott is for encouraging price rises while the Liberals are in opposition, what will they do for ordinary people when they have real power? He's made clear this week that the Liberals stand for damaging therelationships with Indonesia. His racist anti-foreigner stance will further damage Australia's international standing, encouraging attacks on 'otherness' in Australia and damaging the economies third biggest income earner education. He will scrap carbon emissions trading scheme, bringing uncertainty to those looking at investing in Australia. An Abbott led government will be disasterous to Australias short and long term prosperity and race relations within the community. He's a coward and dinosaur.

IT'S CALLED RESPONSIBILITY

adelcrow wrote on Jul 11^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

A few thousand reffos are only important to the Libs because they see that blowing it all out of proportion is their ticket to power. If anyone thinks helping these people will sink the country they have no idea just how big our migration program is or the need for new citizens just to keep the economy ticking along in the future.

Never mlnd the migrant quota, they've obviously no idea how big the country is. ;D