Yeah. Okay. So its a top secret intelligence organisation. In fact he said its one of their main things to remain secret. So why hold a press conference?

Why now? Why out this thing now? Why tell us now?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:11pm:

Yeah. Okay. So its a top secret intelligence organisation. In fact he said its one of their main things to remain secret. So why hold a press conference? Why now? Why out this thing now? Why tell us now? SOB

Can you inform us mere mortals without ESP wtf you are talking about. :-?

Nick Warner gave a speech on ABC24 about ASIS and how secret they are.

SOB

FriYAY wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:18pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Yeah. Okay. So its a top secret intelligence organisation. In fact he said its one of their main things to remain secret. So why hold a press conference? Why now? Why out this thing now? Why tell us now? SOB Can you inform us mere mortals without ESP wtf you are talking about. :-?

He's not the brightest light on the tree our SOB. he often does this kind of thing. Writes a few sentences on something has seen (ro worse something he 'remembers') and throws it down with no context.

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:31pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 3:18pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 3:11pm: Yeah. Okay. So its a top secret intelligence organisation. In fact he said its one of their main things to remain secret. So why hold a press conference? Why now? Why out this thing now? Why tell us now? SOB Can you inform us mere mortals without ESP wtf you are talking about. :-? He's not the brightest light on the tree our SOB. he often does this kind of thing. Writes a few sentences on something has seen (ro worse something he 'remembers') and throws it down with no context.

you on the other hand can always be relied upon to troll without addressing topics whatsoever.

http://images2.fanpop.com/image/photos/14400000/fat-ugly-troll-merlin-on-bbc-14479281-460-276.jpg
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SOB

Just because it's secret doesn't mean someone can't talk about it.  What was he saying anyway?

Frances wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:39pm:

Just because it's secret doesn't mean someone can't talk about it.  What was he saying anyway?

Mostly he went on about how secret they were. How they spy on other countries and can use weapons to protect each other but not to get information.

Transcript:  http://lowyinstitute.cachefly.net/files/documents/events/asis_at_60_final_version_19_july_2012.pdf

SOB

That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway.

Frances wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway.

Well the big deal imo is that he outed them. Had a media conference and gave that speech. You would think that was contrary to thier directives.

Yeah i think every country has them. I thought ASIO was ours.

SOB

This thread should be deleted, you should not be talking about this. :P :-X

I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's.
Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard....
What a joke.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 4:08pm:

Frances wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:04pm: That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway. Well the big deal imo is that he outed them. Had a media conference and gave that speech. You would think that was contrary to thier directives. Yeah i think every country has them. I thought ASIO was ours. SOB

Only you would believe that the fact that ASIS exists would be considered secret. What did you think they were the Aussie MiB.  ;D

You would do well to learn to use google, that way you would have a modicum of basic knowledge before you post.

BTW, ASIO is our internal spy agency and ASIS is our external agency; see how google would have answered that for you

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 6:17pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Frances wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:04pm: That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway. Well the big deal imo is that he outed them. Had a media conference and gave that speech. You would think that was contrary to thier directives. Yeah i think every country has them. I thought ASIO was ours. SOB Only you would believe that the fact that ASIS exists would be considered secret. What did you think they were the Aussie MiB.  ;D You would do well to learn to use google, that way you would have a modicum of basic knowledge before you post. BTW, ASIO is our internal spy agency and ASIS is our external agency; see how google would have answered that for you

Did you read the friggin speech? Obviously not. I was saying what HE said. You look pretty stupid trying to insult me over something that was in the speech when you didnt read it.

SOB

Interesting ... I'd never heard of them previously .... I guess that means they are doing a good job until now ..SOB it's your fault ...

Intelligence is 90% of the battle against terrorism.
It is very hard to win the war with conventional military.


Much more should be spent on intelligence and more power given to these services to protect the state.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke.

Why is it crap?

freediver wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 8:44pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. Why is it crap?

Nah its completely serious, for securing funding.

Avram Horowitz wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 7:22pm:

Intelligence is 90% of the battle against terrorism. It is very hard to win the war with conventional military. Much more should be spent on intelligence and more power given to these services to protect the state.

How much more power do you need to get info on your own government Israeli?

Big deal. Who cares if we know its name or not. We're never going to know what goes on behind the scenes. The only thing public about it is its name. The only thing they're going to be discussing in Parliament is its name and its mission and purpose. Everything else is secret.

How does this change things? There is nothing we could possibly do to change the way ASIS operates. The people connected with ASIS would never allow us to find out about its internal workings. They're paid too much to give any of us that information.

Don't even think about kidnapping the Defence Minister. Your life is too important for you to get involved in national crimes. Get married and play computer games instead. It's none of our business.

Seriously, what if you did kidnap one of their people? He'd probably tell you rubbish and lead you to some fake decoy organisation set up to look like the real ASIS. You'd waste your time finding them. By the time you do, ASIO will have you nailed because they'd have agents tracking their top men. Your plan to infiltrate ASIS and infiltrate their secret operations would fail in no time. You'd either be arrested or start receiving "cease and desist" letters. Even worse, they might kidnap you and make you disappear for stalking their agents.

The reason why this organisation has a name and a logo is so that the government can dedicate funding for it and maintain their "apparatus" of secrecy. Outside of Australia, they wouldn't even be operating under the name "ASIS," so if we can't identify them at home, what are the chances people can identify them abroad? It's not like they walk around with "ASIS" written on their backs.

Frances wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 4:04pm:

That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway.

It was interesting....but hardly new info, I first heard about ASIS in high school (over 30 years ago)....

Kind of like the CIA, everyone ALWAYS knew they existed, and that they (CIA) were spies....

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 6:30pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Frances wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:04pm: That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway. Well the big deal imo is that he outed them. Had a media conference and gave that speech. You would think that was contrary to thier directives. Yeah i think every country has them. I thought ASIO was ours. SOB Only you would believe that the fact that ASIS exists would be considered secret. What did you think they were the Aussie MiB.  ;D You would do well to learn to use google, that way you would have a modicum of basic knowledge before you post. BTW, ASIO is our internal spy agency and ASIS is our external agency; see how google would have answered that for you Did you read the friggin speech? Obviously not. I was saying what HE said. You look pretty stupid trying to insult me over something that was in the speech when you didnt read it. SOB

Actually you stated "Well the big deal imo is that he outed them" and that is where my 'insult' came form. Get it now?

If the conversation is too complex, try getting a semi-literate child to explain it to you.

BTW, I did hear his speech and no my reply had nothing to do with it, just your infantile opinion about it.

ASIS is not so secret that their very existence is supposed to be a secret, they generally just work on the premise of 'it's none of your business'. But making some vague reference to passed operations is not 'outing them', as the aren't the MiB.

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 3:16am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:30pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Frances wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:04pm: That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway. Well the big deal imo is that he outed them. Had a media conference and gave that speech. You would think that was contrary to thier directives. Yeah i think every country has them. I thought ASIO was ours. SOB Only you would believe that the fact that ASIS exists would be considered secret. What did you think they were the Aussie MiB.  ;D You would do well to learn to use google, that way you would have a modicum of basic knowledge before you post. BTW, ASIO is our internal spy agency and ASIS is our external agency; see how google would have answered that for you Did you read the friggin speech? Obviously not. I was saying what HE said. You look pretty stupid trying to insult me over something that was in the speech when you didnt read it. SOB Actually you stated "Well the big deal imo is that he outed them" and that is where my 'insult' came form. Get it now? If the conversation is too complex, try getting a semi-literate child to explain it to you. BTW, I did hear his speech and no my reply had nothing to do with it, just your infantile opinion about it. ASIS is not so secret that their very existence is supposed to be a secret, they generally just work on the premise of 'it's none of your business'. But making some vague reference to passed operations is not 'outing them', as the aren't the MiB.

It seems everyone else knew I was being ironic except you. How does it feel to be left out like that? Pretty stupid i bet. Look im not so good with this lil insult game - go play with soren she is much better.

By the way it is "past" not "passed" Look it up.Learn some grammar.

SOB

Mnemonic wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 10:45pm:

Big deal. Who cares if we know its name or not. We're never going to know what goes on behind the scenes. The only thing public about it is its name. The only thing they're going to be discussing in Parliament is its name and its mission and purpose. Everything else is secret. How does this change things? There is nothing we could possibly do to change the way ASIS operates. The people connected with ASIS would never allow us to find out about its internal workings. They're paid too much to give any of us that information. Don't even think about kidnapping the Defence Minister. Your life is too important for you to get involved in national crimes. Get married and play computer games instead. It's none of our business. Seriously, what if you did kidnap one of their people? He'd probably tell you rubbish and lead you to some fake decoy organisation set up to look like the real ASIS. You'd waste your time finding them. By the time you do, ASIO will have you nailed because they'd have agents tracking their top men. Your plan to infiltrate ASIS and infiltrate their secret operations would fail in no time. You'd either be arrested or start receiving "cease and desist" letters. Even worse, they might kidnap you and make you disappear for stalking their agents. The reason why this organisation has a name and a logo is so that the government can dedicate funding for it and maintain their "apparatus" of secrecy. Outside of Australia, they wouldn't even be operating under the name "ASIS," so if we can't identify them at home, what are the chances people can identify them abroad? It's not like they walk around with "ASIS" written on their backs.

Yeah I heard of ASIO back in the 70s because a relative worked for them (no they werent a spy - since not ALL ASIS or ASIO employees are spies). I quickly learned that if you did tell anyone they considered you paranoid and didnt believe you. the ppl in the right age group would remember that you couldn't mention the CIA either.

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 4:56am:

BigOl64 wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 3:16am: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:30pm: BigOl64 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:17pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:08pm: Frances wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 4:04pm: That was actually quite interesting.  Wouldn't just about every country have some such organisation though, and wouldn't all such organisations operate fairly secretively out of necessity?  So what's the big deal about the address then?  It was the historical background, an overview of ASIS as it is today and some brief accounts of what ASIS has done in the past.  I don't think that he would have given away any national secrets, as this information was already out there anyway. Well the big deal imo is that he outed them. Had a media conference and gave that speech. You would think that was contrary to thier directives. Yeah i think every country has them. I thought ASIO was ours. SOB Only you would believe that the fact that ASIS exists would be considered secret. What did you think they were the Aussie MiB.  ;D You would do well to learn to use google, that way you would have a modicum of basic knowledge before you post. BTW, ASIO is our internal spy agency and ASIS is our external agency; see how google would have answered that for you Did you read the friggin speech? Obviously not. I was saying what HE said. You look pretty stupid trying to insult me over something that was in the speech when you didnt read it. SOB Actually you stated "Well the big deal imo is that he outed them" and that is where my 'insult' came form. Get it now? If the conversation is too complex, try getting a semi-literate child to explain it to you. BTW, I did hear his speech and no my reply had nothing to do with it, just your infantile opinion about it. ASIS is not so secret that their very existence is supposed to be a secret, they generally just work on the premise of 'it's none of your business'. But making some vague reference to passed operations is not 'outing them', as the aren't the MiB. It seems everyone else knew I was being ironic except you. How does it feel to be left out like that? Pretty stupid i bet. Look im not so good with this lil insult game - go play with soren she is much better. By the way it is "past" not "passed" Look it up.Learn some grammar. SOB

Funny how zero people commented on your excellent use of irony, maybe because nothing in your post even remotely indicated it was ironic. Seems you are trying to cover up your lack of knowledge, and rather poorly too.

So you managed to get me on a single grammar error, well done, the kudos should be pouring in any moment now.  ;D

BTW since we are looking at minor errors in application, you might want to use the supplied spell checker before you run off at the mouth about other people's minor mistakes.

Here's a hint. I'm is not spelled im.

Funny how you are focused on "winning" with insults rather than the topic.

SOB

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 6:04pm:

I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke.

I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke.

::)

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::)

Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:59am:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB

Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur.

Fool.

::)

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:59am: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur. Fool. ::)

Oh - they were blown to bits by a WMD?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:33pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:59am: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur. Fool. ::) Oh - they were blown to bits by a WMD? SOB

Pathetic.

How many innocent people need to be killed to satisfy you?

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 11:51am:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::)

And who bankrolled/armed Saddam?
ASIS would be stepping on toes there wouldn't they...

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:24pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:59am: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur. Fool. ::)

What exactly is the connection between Bali and Iraq?
You do realise the bali bomb would be considered an IED not a WMD.

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:33pm: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:59am: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur. Fool. ::) Oh - they were blown to bits by a WMD? SOB Pathetic. How many innocent people need to be killed to satisfy you?

So you were wrong huh?

SOB

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:35pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:33pm: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:59am: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur. Fool. ::) Oh - they were blown to bits by a WMD? SOB Pathetic. How many innocent people need to be killed to satisfy you?

Same goes for you, millions of innocent people have been killed in Iraq now seeming as you brought it up.
When is enough, enough?

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 12:39pm:

FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 12:24pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:59am: FriYAY wrote on Jul 20th, 2012 at 11:51am: bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 6:04pm: I read that their major concern is apparently WMD's. Now if that isn't the biggest load of crap you ever heard.... What a joke. I'm sure the Kurds that Saddam gassed do not think it is a joke. ::) Hasnt got anything to do with Australia though SOB Yes, I’m sure the Australian’s blown to bits in Bali concur. Fool. ::) What exactly is the connection between Bali and Iraq? You do realise the bali bomb would be considered an IED not a WMD.

Well done Half Cocked you've learnt a new TLA.

LOLski

A double offensive from the Tea Lady and Half Cocked.

Tea Lady = Pathetic, so if the ASIS find a massive explosive (IED and HC calls them) and take it out of circulation it will only be a good thing if heaps more people than Bali would have been killed.

Got it.

Half Cocked = We should never have been in Iraq

Do you have a point troll? What has australia got to do with iraq and what has iraq got to do with bali and what have WMDs got to do with bali?

SOB

Hmmm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 2:41pm:

Do you have a point troll? What has australia got to do with iraq and what has iraq got to do with bali and what have WMDs got to do with bali? SOB

Australia joined an invasion of Iraq. Iraq have used WMD before.

Both have 4 letters.

Nothing, as according to you, you are only happy when lots of people die.

Quote:

Nothing, as according to you, you are only happy when lots of people die.

When have i ever said anything of the sort kopi luwak?

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 3:06pm:

Quote: Nothing, as according to you, you are only happy when lots of people die. When have i ever said anything of the sort kopi luwak? SOB

Cat poo coffee.

Perhaps you and the old bags around the kitchen table should try some.

:D :D

Spot and puppet would only ever acknowledge the risks of WMDs after an entire city gets blown up by terrorists. Until then we can safely ignore the problem, because we all know that terrorists choose not to kill thousands of people, rather than not being able to get their hands on the necessary artillery.

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Spot and puppet would only ever acknowledge the risks of WMDs after an entire city gets blown up by terrorists. Until then we can safely ignore the problem, because we all know that terrorists choose not to kill thousands of people, rather than not being able to get their hands on the necessary artillery.

You explain it then. What have WMDs got to do with Bali?

SOB

Bali was not a WMD. But if they could have gotten their hands on something bigger and used that, they would have. Same with 9/11, London etc. They made the biggest bang they could. We have very good reason to worry about these weapons getting into the hands of extremists. The motivation and lack of morals is there in a large enough group of people - this is where the the relevance of the recent big terrorist attacks comes in. Even puppet is making excuses for terrorists. This is why the focus from intelligence organisations on WMDs in the hands of extremists is not 'crap' as puppet suggests.

not so much on topic ubt i get the impression FD is going fullout neocon on our asses - tbh i have a suspicion hes some sort of weirdo christian zionist or something.

(yoou know i love ya fd!!) ;)

You are not being very patriotic shackdweller. If you don't like it in Australia, giiiiiit out.

freediver wrote on Jul 20^th, 2012 at 7:41pm:

Spot and puppet would only ever acknowledge the risks of WMDs after an entire city gets blown up by terrorists. Until then we can safely ignore the problem, because we all know that terrorists choose not to kill thousands of people, rather than not being able to get their hands on the necessary artillery.

Fact is, if WMD's were the huge risk we have been told something would of happened by now.
WMD's are not an issue and Australia is in no way a target.
Anyway, the places we would be investigating for wmd's would already be under the US thumb so all we would be doing is treading on toes.
Fact is 'terrorists' can get their hands on wmds quite easily and would have done something already.

Quote:

Fact is 'terrorists' can get their hands on wmds quite easily and would have done something already.

You sure do sprout a lot of 'facts' puppet.

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 1:14pm:

Quote: Fact is 'terrorists' can get their hands on wmds quite easily and would have done something already. You sure do sprout a lot of 'facts' puppet.

What exactly makes you think it would be hard?

They don't exactly sell them on the street corner puppet. Even Iran has trouble, and Saddam didn't get very far. 9/11 was a pretty convoluted scheme. There are plenty of conventional weapons that could have done the same or worse, if Al Quaida had been able to get their hands on them.

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 3:44pm:

They don't exactly sell them on the street corner puppet. Even Iran has trouble, and Saddam didn't get very far. 9/11 was a pretty convoluted scheme. There are plenty of conventional weapons that could have done the same or worse, if Al Quaida had been able to get their hands on them.

Iran could have got a wmd any day of the week for the last few decades.
Us gave Saddam weapons.
What the hell are you talking about 9/11 for?

Back on the topic... I thought most people would know about ASIS but I guess not. In which case you should also find out about another secret spy agency called the Defence Signals Directorate (DSD). I gather they're even more secretive than bother ASIO and ASIS and do a bit more than just the cyber security stuff their website talks about.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 3:50pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2012 at 3:44pm: They don't exactly sell them on the street corner puppet. Even Iran has trouble, and Saddam didn't get very far. 9/11 was a pretty convoluted scheme. There are plenty of conventional weapons that could have done the same or worse, if Al Quaida had been able to get their hands on them. Iran could have got a wmd any day of the week for the last few decades. Us gave Saddam weapons. What the hell are you talking about 9/11 for?

Because WMDs are the next step up from 9/11 for terrorist organisations. 9/11 shows what they are prepared to do.

Sure Iran could have, but they chose not too (apparently). They did not make this choice out of goodwill, but out of fear of the consequences from the various global non-proliferation activities.

Are you suggesting some kind of alternative? That the efforts to prevent the spread of WMDs are fruitless and wasted because the people we are trying to prevent from getting them don't actually want them?

Gist wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:03pm:

Back on the topic... I thought most people would know about ASIS but I guess not. In which case you should also find out about another secret spy agency called the Defence Signals Directorate (DSD). I gather they're even more secretive than bother ASIO and ASIS and do a bit more than just the cyber security stuff their website talks about.

Why do these spy agencies have websites and give press conferences and stuff? misinformation? Seems a bit contrary to their whole existence.

SOB

freediver wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:10pm:

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 21st, 2012 at 3:50pm: freediver wrote on Jul 21st, 2012 at 3:44pm: They don't exactly sell them on the street corner puppet. Even Iran has trouble, and Saddam didn't get very far. 9/11 was a pretty convoluted scheme. There are plenty of conventional weapons that could have done the same or worse, if Al Quaida had been able to get their hands on them. Iran could have got a wmd any day of the week for the last few decades. Us gave Saddam weapons. What the hell are you talking about 9/11 for? Because WMDs are the next step up from 9/11 for terrorist organisations. 9/11 shows what they are prepared to do. Sure Iran could have, but they chose not too (apparently). They did not make this choice out of goodwill, but out of fear of the consequences from the various global non-proliferation activities. Are you suggesting some kind of alternative? That the efforts to prevent the spread of WMDs are fruitless and wasted because the people we are trying to prevent from getting them don't actually want them?

9/11 was 11 years ago?

If you consider using WMD's such a bad thing then why do you support the west which uses them frequently, or Israel for that matter? Depleted Uranium for example?
Maybe the last century was just the first step, whats the next step?

Exactly, so don't paint them as the bad guy. If what the west, Israel and whoever else is saying was true then Iran would have already blown up the entire world or something like that.

Well 1. Australia is obviously not needed, as I stated anywhere they are investigating for WMD's they would just be stepping on toes. and 2. You cant stop the spread of them, the most dangerous people and countries in the world already have them.

Cmon even you must admit this whole WMD thing has just been a massive shytstorm in a teacup.

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Depleted Uranium for example?

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If what the west, Israel and whoever else is saying was true then Iran would have already blown up the entire world or something like that.

Strawman.


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You cant stop the spread of them, the most dangerous people and countries in the world already have them.

You seriously think WMDs are more dangerous in the hands of big governments than terrorist organisations?


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Cmon even you must admit this whole WMD thing has just been a massive shytstorm in a teacup.

I am not naive enough to assume it won't happen if we just hope the threat goes away.

bobbythefap1 wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

If you consider using WMD's such a bad thing then why do you support the west which uses them frequently, or Israel for that matter? Depleted Uranium for example?

Judging by the utter horse sh1t that you and others are writing, I don't think you have the first clue of what a WMD actually is.

For example, depleted uranium is a kinetic munition used to breach armour, not really a weapon of MASS destruction, now is it?  Unless you think the application of the word mass ,means weight and not large quantity.  ;D

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 21^st, 2012 at 4:17pm:

Why do these spy agencies have websites and give press conferences and stuff? misinformation? Seems a bit contrary to their whole existence.

Whatever information they make public wouldn't be critical to whatever security agenda they have. Real security is undermined and compromised by knowing specifics and technical details about important assets. For example, knowing the name of the organisation, how many personnel they have and their goals isn't going to help you defeat or infiltrate them or allow you to capture and control whatever assets they are protecting. A lot of the information they would make public is general stuff and pretty obvious.

What really undermines security is knowing encryption codes, what algorithms and protocols they use in their computer systems, what materials they use to make a particular weapon, the engineering required, manufacturing techniques, technical specifications, design limits, schematics, etc. That's the "hardware and software" aspect of intelligence.

Then there's the political aspect -- keeping the other kinds of state secrets hidden -- things the government is doing that the public and other foreign governments shouldn't know about like secret deals made between national governments or other things that need to be covered up for our own good.

These spy agencies have web sites and press conferences because in a democracy, we need to know if we can trust them. It's to show that these spy agencies are run by ordinary people and not by some secret society underground. The other reason is like I said before, they have to debate this stuff in Parliament and not have to keep talking about some "nameless organisation" and its "unspeakable details" which would be pretty awkward. It goes without saying that whatever they do debate in Parliament won't directly compromise national security.

You can't infiltrate them if you don't even know their name.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:28pm:

Nick Warner gave a speech on ABC24 about ASIS and how secret they are. SOB

He is the ONLY person who works in that agency that can be named publicly. In 60 years, not one action of this agency has been made public knowledge beyond the vague info given in Warner's speech. How else are they to recruit people if no one knows even a little about them? Look at the CIA!

But apart from that, think about this. Warner said his aggency had made big progress in disrupting people smuggling operations. That makes me laugh when we get 2 or 3 boats a day most weeks. I have to wonder how bad it'd be if, as he claims, ASIS wasn't doing its job particularly well. The timing is also more than a little coincidental, with Gillard floundering like a dying fish on this issue. Clearly he was ordered to do this in the hope that it would give Gillard some kind of bump in the polls. As if!

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 22^nd, 2012 at 7:04am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 3:28pm: Nick Warner gave a speech on ABC24 about ASIS and how secret they are. SOB He is the ONLY person who works in that agency that can be named publicly. In 60 years, not one action of this agency has been made public knowledge beyond the vague info given in Warner's speech. How else are they to recruit people if no one knows even a little about them? Look at the CIA! But apart from that, think about this. Warner said his aggency had made big progress in disrupting people smuggling operations. That makes me laugh when we get 2 or 3 boats a day most weeks. I have to wonder how bad it'd be if, as he claims, ASIS wasn't doing its job particularly well. The timing is also more than a little coincidental, with Gillard floundering like a dying fish on this issue. Clearly he was ordered to do this in the hope that it would give Gillard some kind of bump in the polls. As if!

Perhaps it was meant to be reassuring in that they actually know who the refugees are

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19^th, 2012 at 3:28pm:

Nick Warner gave a speech on ABC24 about ASIS and how secret they are. SOB

That's almost as good as the cone of silence. Only a very secretive organisation would give speeches on ABC24.

Soren wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2012 at 10:47am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 19th, 2012 at 3:28pm: Nick Warner gave a speech on ABC24 about ASIS and how secret they are. SOB That's almost as good as the cone of silence. Only a very secretive organisation would give speeches on ABC24.

Uhhh mate i think you just agreed with me  . ..   was it an accident? Or was that not sarcasm?

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