It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl.


Whats your opinion?

My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not.

well for me its not the people as such its the means they use to come here.. I find it unfair and in my opinion illegal..if they can afford people smugglers they can afford a plane ticket..

the only difference is they want to come here uninvited and without papers..as everyone knows there are a lot of muslims and they bypass many muslim countries to come here..  that bothers me..

if that offends anyone tough..

anyone that comes through the correct legal passages are more than welcome.

Why are there all these hate threads denying Australian citizens rights to their native national boundaries border and economic security and the right to defend themselves?  Vote Rise Up Australia Party - protecting Australian citizens legal rights...from greedy traitors and pirates amongst us... 8-) 8-)

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion?

The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum.

SOB

Personally I reckon that if a few thousand boat people is all the media and opposition have to bleat about then we are doing quite well in this country.

It could be the extravagance.

http://ic2.pbase.com/g1/43/583743/3/104735834.jOOEDcHQ.jpg

There is a very simple inescapable fact that the Australian people have a legal right to life, a legal right to defend themselves, a legal right to border security and not to be harassed by imposition of foreign migrations for racial or economic reasons... 8-) 8-)

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:45pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB

Do you get outside much??


1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl.

Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity??

Thats what I reckon.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:45pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB Do you get outside much?? 1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl. Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity?? Thats what I reckon.

I dont know anyone thats obsessed with refugees arriving here by boat except the opposition, shock jocks and their audience, the media and a few people on here.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:45pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB Do you get outside much?? 1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl. Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity?? Thats what I reckon.

you do realize the vast majority are not those you speak of..the old the greenies [on here]dont give a fig about them.. let them die of the cold.. who cares..as for the queues for the dentist. or hip replacement again mostly the aged and the greenies wish them to die in a hurry..so they can give all their caring to the boat people.. makes sense to them.

Most people dont live extravagantly - these citizens have legal right to border security.
Its funny how those who live extravagantly are also the ones opposed to border security and are warmongers and greedy too.  Heartless the anti protectionists are...just heartless... :(
http://candobetter.net/files/Australian_Homelessness.jpg :(

adelcrow wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:55pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:45pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB Do you get outside much?? 1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl. Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity?? Thats what I reckon. I dont know anyone thats obsessed with refugees arriving here by boat except the opposition, shock jocks and their audience, the media and a few people on here.

I don't know anyone obsessed with boat people either, I think the obsessed ones must live in a  bogan area.   

when ppl in oz are on waiting lists that stretch years for housing and boat ppl jump straight to the front of the queue the average aussie go into a rage??

It is the thick headedness of labor which stops them from seeing this.

I can tell you right now if a new leader took over labor someone sensible and they punted the carbon tax and reinstated the pacific solution they would go to 60% in the polls. But they wont so they'll stay in mid 20s. They are too proud, dense and stupid to realise where they fall over.

The issue is the Australian citizens have a legal right to life, to protection, to defend themselves and to border security and anyone who denies this is an evil liar... 8-) 8-)

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity??

Well seeing as they're locked up indefinitely, what would you have them do for food and shelter and other basic needs?

Skippy is a stay at home hobby farmer bugger knows what he farms I doubt he be lucky to run an ant farm.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

when ppl in poz are on waiting lists that stretch years for housing and boat ppl jump straight to the front of the queue the average aussie go into a rage?? It is the thick headedness of labor which stops them from seeing this. I can tell you right now if a new leader took over labor someone sensible and they punted the carbon tax and reinstated the pacific solution they would go to 60% in the polls. But they wont so they'll stay in mid 20s. They are too proud, dense and stupid to realise where they fall over.

Why are born and bred Aussies on housing waiting lists?..
The question should be why aren't these leeches buying their own homes instead of taking housing off recent migrants beginning new lives?

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Skippy is a stay at home hobby farmer bugger knows what he farms I doubt he be lucky to run an ant farm.

longdickhead it's pointless you running a sock. Your complete inability to talk anything but gibberish always gives the game away.

Every Australian citizen has the statutory right to defend themselves and arrest people illegally at large in this country and hand them in for deportation. 8-) 8-)

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity?? Well seeing as they're locked up indefinitely, what would you have them do for food and shelter and other basic needs?

Go home.

And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed.  The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year. 

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:45pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB Do you get outside much?? 1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl. Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity?? Thats what I reckon.

Because of the boat ppl dying - drowning - not because they come here.

SOB

There is no argument that can circumvent the simple fact the legal Australian citizens have inalienable rights to border and national security and free customs and any attempt to deny that is a legitimate threat to the legal rights of all Australian citizens. 8-) 8-)

... wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

Go home. And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed.  The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year.

Go home? How? You've got them locked up. Shouldn't you at least feed them and look after basic needs?

Go home and get raped, tortured and killed...good one  ;D

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:20pm:

... wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:06pm: Go home. And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed.  The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year.  Go home? How? You've got them locked up. Shouldn't you at least feed them and look after basic needs?

No, just sending them home will be fine, thanks.

... wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:20pm: ... wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:06pm: Go home. And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed.  The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year.  Go home? How? You've got them locked up. Shouldn't you at least feed them and look after basic needs? No, just sending them home will be fine, thanks.

So you don't mind if they get murdered once they get there? You do realise you promised them you'd help them out don't you? Are you always two-faced?

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:50pm:

... wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:29pm: Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:20pm: ... wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:06pm: Go home. And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed.  The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year.  Go home? How? You've got them locked up. Shouldn't you at least feed them and look after basic needs? No, just sending them home will be fine, thanks. So you don't mind if they get murdered once they get there? You do realise you promised them you'd help them out don't you? Are you always two-faced?

No I didn't.
You're operating under the assumption that I wouldn't stop them from coming in the first place.  This batch we've got in the works right now can bugger right off though.
And once we've swept out the current load of trash,  I wouldn't exactly forbid them from coming, but I would demand a lot more of them - 3 years hard labour on one of my massive infrastructure projects. That'll weed out the leeches and benefit the country - Everybody wins! 

... wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:54pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:50pm: So you don't mind if they get murdered once they get there? You do realise you promised them you'd help them out don't you? Are you always two-faced? No I didn't. You're operating under the assumption that I wouldn't stop them from coming in the first place.  This batch we've got in the works right now can bugger right off though. And once we've swept out the current load of trash,  I wouldn't exactly forbid them from coming, but I would demand a lot more of them - 3 years hard labour on one of my massive infrastructure projects. That'll weed out the leeches and benefit the country - Everybody wins!

Well, OK, maybe you didn't personally. But that's something this nation has agreed to so we all did collectively as a nation.

As for the rest of it... good luck. You'd have half the people here whining long and loud all day every day about how much it all costs and why should they get a job when pensioners don't get a job and how there'd been no cost benefit analysis and anyway what about the NO INFRASTRUCTURE TAX lie and blah blah blah

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 8:06pm:

... wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:54pm: Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:50pm: So you don't mind if they get murdered once they get there? You do realise you promised them you'd help them out don't you? Are you always two-faced? No I didn't. You're operating under the assumption that I wouldn't stop them from coming in the first place.  This batch we've got in the works right now can bugger right off though. And once we've swept out the current load of trash,  I wouldn't exactly forbid them from coming, but I would demand a lot more of them - 3 years hard labour on one of my massive infrastructure projects. That'll weed out the leeches and benefit the country - Everybody wins!  Well, OK, maybe you didn't personally. But that's something this nation has agreed to so we all did collectively as a nation. As for the rest of it... good luck. You'd have half the people here whining long and loud all day every day about how much it all costs and why should they get a job when pensioners don't get a job and how there'd been no cost benefit analysis and anyway what about the NO INFRASTRUCTURE TAX lie and blah blah blah

So?  people are gonna whinge, no matter what you do.

At least this way, we get something for our money.  I reckon the current boatie budget is enough to make some pretty impressive progress in greening the desert, or laying pipelines and railways. 

... wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:29pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:20pm: ... wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 7:06pm: Go home. And in response to the thread question, it's becasue the overall immigration issue isn't allowed to be discussed.  The "boat people" angle is a sideshow, a mere distraction, to keep peoples immigration related concerns focused on a trivial number of arrivals, rather than the much graver problem of 200,000 people legally arriving every year.  Go home? How? You've got them locked up. Shouldn't you at least feed them and look after basic needs? No, just sending them home will be fine, thanks.

where? if they have no passport no country will accept them ..... where do you send them? or did you mean home to your place?

What about the rights of Australian citizens to defend themselves against people illegally at large in our country - we as citizens can arrest these people. 8-)

skippy. wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:40pm:

My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not.

I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:24pm:

skippy. wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:40pm: My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not. I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution.

So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then?

we hear on this board about all the so called assylum seekers that fly here??

Where do they get housed whilst their claims are assessed, surely they don't just roam around the community?? and how many of them come by plane??

I'd like some figures on that.

Cause I reckon the fly here asylum seeker number would be 9/10ths of bugger all.

Nopw I'll agree we have large numbers of visa over stayers, however these visa over stayers are not entitled to any government support, medicare or public housing, so they effectively cost the government nothing, and 99% of visa over stayers have left the country within 12 months of their visa expiring??

Why are ppl so against boat ppl??

Because they see them as cheats and as people who want to foist themselves on us.

Gist wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:48pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 9:24pm: skippy. wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:40pm: My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not. I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then?

Only a very small number of people who are granted visas claim asylum (less than 1%). And the numbers per country - even region -  are monitored and risk assessment ratings change every year and visa grants are made more difficult if the risk increases.
This is why the non-name rorters on boats could not get a tourist visa.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:45pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB Do you get outside much?? 1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl. Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity??

Absolutely not. Matty's father gave him two hundred thousand and a house in Dunedin so that Matty can save on the carbon tax. He's doing very well, thank you.

His return will be thunderous.

Who's against boat people?

A few radical right-whingers, big deal, they're against everything that's normal.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 9:56pm:

we hear on this board about all the so called assylum seekers that fly here?? Where do they get housed whilst their claims are assessed, surely they don't just roam around the community?? and how many of them come by plane?? I'd like some figures on that. Cause I reckon the fly here asylum seeker number would be 9/10ths of bugger all. Nopw I'll agree we have large numbers of visa over stayers, however these visa over stayers are not entitled to any government support, medicare or public housing, so they effectively cost the government nothing, and 99% of visa over stayers have left the country within 12 months of their visa expiring??

Until recently, the vast majority of asylum seekers applying for protection in Australia have arrived originally by air with a valid visa and then applied for asylum at a later date while living in the community.26 Historically, boat arrivals only made up a small proportion of asylum applicants—estimates vary, but it is likely that between 96 and 99 percent of asylum applicants arrived by air.27 More recently the proportions of Irregular Maritime Arrival (IMA) and non‐IMA (that is air arrival) asylum seekers have shifted due to the increase in boat arrivals

and further down the page ...

The reason this ... point is important is that it means that arguably Australia is worrying about the wrong asylum seekers. Whereas the majority of those arriving by boat are refugees, the majority of those arriving by air are not.

http://www.aph.gov.au/binaries/library/pubs/bn/sp/asylumfacts.pdf

stupid right wing morons

I'm against both boat people and the many who come though legal immigration. Not because I'm scared of them, not because i'm racist. But because what this means for the rest of us. Immigration decreases the standard of living for the middle and lower class Australians. While also destroys the beauty of our nation with over population. I just look what its done to my home town for example. For those who don't know I'm from Liverpool in South Western Sydney. Over the last 30 odd years Ive seen my town turn from a quite town on the edge of suburbia where people use to know each other to a concrete jungle over populated where everyone is a stranger. Its become the type of place one has to worry about being shot or stabbed. Food quality has also dropped with higher demands on supply, i could not even buy any fresh whole snapper yesterday. But those who are migrants dont see this because they are not from around here. If they are unhappy with the decline of standards they can always move back to their homeland. but where am i suppose to go if i don't like what immigration is doing. This is my home. I often state immigration is nothing more then white genocide and often one will hear from opposing views its not genocide they just moved elsewhere. But if any of you where to look up what genocide was and methods used to conduct genocide you would find genocide is exactly what is happening.

Yes, BR, I know Liverpool.

Lived there for a while in the mid-90s (Lewis Rd).

Sad to say, you are right...

Soren wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 10:52pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 9:48pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 9:24pm: skippy. wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:40pm: My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not. I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then? Only a very small number of people who are granted visas claim asylum (less than 1%). And the numbers per country - even region -  are monitored and risk assessment ratings change every year and visa grants are made more difficult if the risk increases. This is why the non-name rorters on boats could not get a tourist visa.

Simple Soren, don't play with numbers, you know they only confuse you. The "people who are granted visas" includes everyone who comes into this country including all tourists and people entering for business purposes. So what if only 1% of them request asylum? The number arriving by boat and requesting asylum is only 0.1% of the same number.

That's a lot less Soren. Just in case you're confused.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:39am:

I'm against both boat people and the many who come though legal immigration. Not because I'm scared of them, not because i'm racist. But because what this means for the rest of us. Immigration decreases the standard of living for the middle and lower class Australians. While also destroys the beauty of our nation with over population. I just look what its done to my home town for example. For those who don't know I'm from Liverpool in South Western Sydney. Over the last 30 odd years Ive seen my town turn from a quite town on the edge of suburbia where people use to know each other to a concrete jungle over populated where everyone is a stranger. Its become the type of place one has to worry about being shot or stabbed. Food quality has also dropped with higher demands on supply, i could not even buy any fresh whole snapper yesterday. But those who are migrants dont see this because they are not from around here. If they are unhappy with the decline of standards they can always move back to their homeland. but where am i suppose to go if i don't like what immigration is doing. This is my home. I often state immigration is nothing more then white genocide and often one will hear from opposing views its not genocide they just moved elsewhere. But if any of you where to look up what genocide was and methods used to conduct genocide you would find genocide is exactly what is happening.

Wow! There's no food in Liverpool? And you know this because you couldn't buy snapper. Did you try the place in the plaza? What did they say?

You really are an IdIoT.

Karnal wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 11:00pm:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:50pm: Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:45pm: woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:36pm: It would be interesting to get ppls opinions and thoughts on why the vast majority of Australians are so against boat ppl. Whats your opinion? The vast majority arent against boat ppl. Just a few loud ppl in this forum. SOB Do you get outside much?? 1 of the reasons labor is where it is is because of boat ppl. Could it be that the vast majority of aussies are doing it so tough and they see these ppl rock up get health dental accomodation 3 meals a day phones internet etc whilst our elderly turn off lights cause they can't afford electricity?? Absolutely not. Matty's father gave him two hundred thousand and a house in Dunedin so that Matty can save on the carbon tax. He's doing very well, thank you. His return will be thunderous.

Does that make Matty an economic refugee?

Kat wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:54am:

Yes, BR, I know Liverpool. Lived there for a while in the mid-90s (Lewis Rd). Sad to say, you are right...

And you think it's any worse than it used to be?

In many areas, Sydney used to be much worse. Blacktown and Mt Druitt were no-go areas a generation ago, full of violent, alcohol-fuelled white rage. Even Bondi had its moments.

Immigration has raised the population. And with this, you get more consumer choice. Who would have even thought of buying snapper in Liverpool thirty years ago?

Now, the food is better, the prices are lower, and the shelves are overflowing.

Immigration is no cure-all panacea, but I don't know anyone who would want to return to the bland, boring and insular suburbs of the 1970s. Back then, if you grew up in Liverpool, you stayed there. There was a huge class divide in Sydney. Without a doubt, immigration has helped to change this.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 7:01pm:

Skippy is a stay at home hobby farmer bugger knows what he farms I doubt he be lucky to run an ant farm.

Aren't you on a farm up in Queensland, Woof Woof?

Too many people on the planet. AGW. Localised environmental destruction. Religious nutters.

There is a massive pile of crap heading towards the fan - money won't save you.

I'll be eating roast duck.

Enjoy your rotton tip tucker.

Come within 200 meters and i'll pop a cap in your starving arse.

8-)

Can I come too, Friyay?

If you don't like duck, you're rather stuck.

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:19pm:

Can I come too, Friyay? If you don't like duck, you're rather stuck.

You stay away One Trick or you’ll trip a booby-trap and I will be forced to pop a cap in you. ;)

A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported...

Karnal wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 10:06am:

Kat wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 8:54am: Yes, BR, I know Liverpool. Lived there for a while in the mid-90s (Lewis Rd). Sad to say, you are right... And you think it's any worse than it used to be? In many areas, Sydney used to be much worse. Blacktown and Mt Druitt were no-go areas a generation ago, full of violent, alcohol-fuelled white rage. Even Bondi had its moments. Immigration has raised the population. And with this, you get more consumer choice. Who would have even thought of buying snapper in Liverpool thirty years ago? Now, the food is better, the prices are lower, and the shelves are overflowing. Immigration is no cure-all panacea, but I don't know anyone who would want to return to the bland, boring and insular suburbs of the 1970s. Back then, if you grew up in Liverpool, you stayed there. There was a huge class divide in Sydney. Without a doubt, immigration has helped to change this.

Liverpool was known as working class back then and as for areas like Blacktown ect of having a bad name. well dumping public housing in one place had everything to do with that and multiculturalism had nothing to do with solving the problem. And as for those in Liverpool going no where, many of those from out here did during the 70's. In fact more so then today. Back in those days people use to pack up the caravan or tent and get out and about and enjoy this beautiful country. Why do you think panel-vans and the first hatchback torana with the hatch huch tent came out. We use to get out there. And as for differences in class. there is a larger gap now then what we had back then with the standard of living getting worse.

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

when ppl in oz are on waiting lists that stretch years for housing and boat ppl jump straight to the front of the queue the average aussie go into a rage?? It is the thick headedness of labor which stops them from seeing this. I can tell you right now if a new leader took over labor someone sensible and they punted the carbon tax and reinstated the pacific solution they would go to 60% in the polls. But they wont so they'll stay in mid 20s. They are too proud, dense and stupid to realise where they fall over.

The average Aussie doesn't



wait years in a line for a house, they go out and buy one or pay rent, your argument is bullsh it,yet again,Mel.

Mandatory detention of illegal immigration offenders should be strictly on a user pays basis - there should be co contribution from the offenders country of origin and they should work off the cost of their detention till they are deported.... 8-) 8-)

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:43pm:

A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported...

do you think about what you are saying before you say it? or does it kind off just run away before you've had time tp process it?

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:54pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:43pm: A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported... do you think about what you are saying before you say it? or does it kind off just run away before you've had time tp process it?

Australian citizens are not an endless line of credit for every hard luck case in the world, this kind of thinking has economically flattened this country making it a net non producing nation.  We are now subsidizing the world - are you happy?  Yes, I think about what I am saying and australian citizens and our legal rights matter too and its time to uphold them. 8-) 8-)

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:00pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:43pm: A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported... do you think about what you are saying before you say it? or does it kind off just run away before you've had time tp process it? Australian citizens are not an endless line of credit for every hard luck case in the world, this kind of thinking has economically flattened this country making it a net non producing nation.  We are now subsidizing the world - are you happy?  Yes, I think about what I am saying and australian citizens and our legal rights matter too and its time to uphold them. 8-) 8-)

Then you're though process is all screwed seeing as how most of these people are running from their governments, what makes you think their govt. is going to contribute? It's like asking abbott to contribute to Gillards political fund raising ....IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

They are queue jumpers

I have no problems with people claiming asylum

I have no problems with people being assessed on a first come first serve basis

Lefties who hates "the rich" who uses money to get preferential serves - now supports people paying money to people smugglers to help them to enter Australia illegally.

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:03pm:

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:00pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:43pm: A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported... do you think about what you are saying before you say it? or does it kind off just run away before you've had time tp process it? Australian citizens are not an endless line of credit for every hard luck case in the world, this kind of thinking has economically flattened this country making it a net non producing nation.  We are now subsidizing the world - are you happy?  Yes, I think about what I am saying and australian citizens and our legal rights matter too and its time to uphold them. 8-) 8-) Then you're though process is all screwed seeing as how most of these people are running from their governments, what makes you think their govt. is going to contribute? It's like asking abbott to contribute to Gillards political fund raising ....IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN

You are negative, but wishing it wont happen wont stop reform and change - what problems do you have in illegal alien scum co contributing to the excellent care they receive in mandatory detention or do you think they are just entitled?  Why is it the rich only want Australians to co contribute for welfare and not illegal cross border offenders not constitutionally recognized as citizens? :P :P

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:03pm: Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:00pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:43pm: A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported... do you think about what you are saying before you say it? or does it kind off just run away before you've had time tp process it? Australian citizens are not an endless line of credit for every hard luck case in the world, this kind of thinking has economically flattened this country making it a net non producing nation.  We are now subsidizing the world - are you happy?  Yes, I think about what I am saying and australian citizens and our legal rights matter too and its time to uphold them. 8-) 8-) Then you're though process is all screwed seeing as how most of these people are running from their governments, what makes you think their govt. is going to contribute? It's like asking abbott to contribute to Gillards political fund raising ....IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN You are negative, but wishing it wont happen wont stop reform and change - what problems do you have in illegal alien scum co contributing to the excellent care they receive in mandatory detention or do you think they are just entitled?  Why is it the rich only want Australians to co contribute for welfare and not illegal cross border offenders not constitutionally recognized as citizens? :P :P

So contributing to your welfare is ok but its not ok to contribute to the welfare of people escaping rape, torture and murder and those who will produce the next few generations of professionals that will pay for the pensions and welfare of our aging population.

Both the Greens and Labor knows these people are entering Australia ILLEGALLY

Both the Greens and Labor knows these people paid money to people smugglers to get to Australia ILLEGALLY

Despite all this - the want to focus on what to do with them now that they are here.

This is all well and good in the short term. This is all well and good if the illegal entries are accidental.

But when the illegal entry is deliberate - we have a problem.

Both the Greens and Labor knows their policies are encouraging these people to make the trip. But the likes of Gillard, Milne, Hanson-Young are too protective of their own political agenda to care about people dying.

Maqqa wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:05pm:

They are queue jumpers I have no problems with people claiming asylum I have no problems with people being assessed on a first come first serve basis Lefties who hates "the rich" who uses money to get preferential serves - now supports people paying money to people smugglers to help them to enter Australia illegally.

That's amazing demonstration of doublethink there maccaw. You should get a job with the Ministry Of Truth!

You'd be a natural for duckspeak wouldn't you? I mean... with the bird association and all...  ;D

Gist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:39pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:05pm: They are queue jumpers I have no problems with people claiming asylum I have no problems with people being assessed on a first come first serve basis Lefties who hates "the rich" who uses money to get preferential serves - now supports people paying money to people smugglers to help them to enter Australia illegally. That's amazing demonstration of doublethink there maccaw. You should get a job with the Ministry Of Truth! You'd be a natural for duckspeak wouldn't you? I mean... with the bird association and all...  ;D

There you are gizz

Didn't see you under your rock

Only the Protectionist Parties can ensure that Australians legal right to secure borders is upheld and the boats are turned away - the old free trade open borders parties of the corporate rich sector - the Greens/Libs and Labor do not believe in the legal rights to security and free customs of all Australian citizens - they will never defend our borders or economic rights. 8-) 8-) 8-)

Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:13pm:

John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:03pm: Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:00pm: John Smith wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:54pm: Prevailing wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:43pm: A regime of Co Payments from the countries of origin of illegal cross border offenders would greatly assist Australia meeting the high cost of care and mandatory detention for their citizens before they are deported... do you think about what you are saying before you say it? or does it kind off just run away before you've had time tp process it? Australian citizens are not an endless line of credit for every hard luck case in the world, this kind of thinking has economically flattened this country making it a net non producing nation.  We are now subsidizing the world - are you happy?  Yes, I think about what I am saying and australian citizens and our legal rights matter too and its time to uphold them. 8-) 8-) Then you're though process is all screwed seeing as how most of these people are running from their governments, what makes you think their govt. is going to contribute? It's like asking abbott to contribute to Gillards political fund raising ....IT'S NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN You are negative, but wishing it wont happen wont stop reform and change - what problems do you have in illegal alien scum co contributing to the excellent care they receive in mandatory detention or do you think they are just entitled?  Why is it the rich only want Australians to co contribute for welfare and not illegal cross border offenders not constitutionally recognized as citizens? :P :P

I have no problem with illegal alien scum co contributing ...but I thought we were talking about asylum seekers ....

Maqqa wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:36pm:

Both the Greens and Labor knows these people are entering Australia ILLEGALLY Both the Greens and Labor knows these people paid money to people smugglers to get to Australia ILLEGALLY Despite all this - the want to focus on what to do with them now that they are here. This is all well and good in the short term. This is all well and good if the illegal entries are accidental. But when the illegal entry is deliberate - we have a problem. Both the Greens and Labor knows their policies are encouraging these people to make the trip. But the likes of Gillard, Milne, Hanson-Young are too protective of their own political agenda to care about people dying.

there is nothing ILLEGAL about seeking asylum .... when was the last time one was charged with illegal entry into the country? I bet you don't find one

Now be a good boy gumpy and go and catch up a little on Australian law

All Australian citizens have a water-tight legal right to border security, sovereignty, life, self defense and the right to arrest any illegal offender at large in our country and hand them into mandatory detention for deportation. :) :)

Possibly because the country shoppers are taking us for a ride eh.
The real asylum seekers are behind razor wire waiting for resettlement.

Aussies are fair ppl, which is why they see through these queue jumpers coming here getting welfare for life and get this some of them then return to the country they fleed from persecution??????  WTF, if you feared for your life why would you venture back to the town/city you fleed from??

Aussies can see through these ppl and are sick and tired of being taken advantage of, thats what these ppl are doing, I still fail to see how when your fleeing supposed persecution you'd go to the other side of the world when you pass through numerous other countries where you would be safe??

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 7:44pm:

Possibly because the country shoppers are taking us for a ride eh. The real asylum seekers are behind razor wire waiting for resettlement.

over 90% are found to be real asylum seekers .... do you just make things up as you go? Is it you taking everyone for a ride?

yeah they ar efound to be asylum seekers based on the pack of lies and bullshit they tell us, I bet they all enter their interveiw rooms and all tell the same concocted story.......................

woof woof wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:27pm:

yeah they ar efound to be asylum seekers based on the pack of lies and bullshit they tell us, I bet they all enter their interveiw rooms and all tell the same concocted story.......................

longfool, remember what I said about socks and your inability to speak anything other than gibberish?

I aint LW I am labor4never reincarnated you twit.

Tell me why do these asylum seekers fleeing death and destruction after gaining residency here venture back to the country they feared so much they packed up and fled???

What about captain Ahmed fleed certain death he claimed, now he's fkd off after being busted and guess where he went?? yep back to where he came from.

woof woof wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:11pm:

I aint LW I am labor4never reincarnated you twit. Tell me why do these asylum seekers fleeing death and destruction after gaining residency here venture back to the country they feared so much they packed up and fled??? What about captain Ahmed fleed certain death he claimed, now he's fkd off after being busted and guess where he went?? yep back to where he came from.

Really? Another one? So how many of you righty idiots have emigrated here from Gibberish anyway?

As for the "asylum seekers fleeing death and destruction after gaining residency here"... dunno. You tell me, you're telling the story. What death and destruction do they come up against over here anyway? Is that caused by you Gibberish emigres?

John Smith wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 6:36pm: Both the Greens and Labor knows these people are entering Australia ILLEGALLY Both the Greens and Labor knows these people paid money to people smugglers to get to Australia ILLEGALLY Despite all this - the want to focus on what to do with them now that they are here. This is all well and good in the short term. This is all well and good if the illegal entries are accidental. But when the illegal entry is deliberate - we have a problem. Both the Greens and Labor knows their policies are encouraging these people to make the trip. But the likes of Gillard, Milne, Hanson-Young are too protective of their own political agenda to care about people dying. there is nothing ILLEGAL about seeking asylum .... when was the last time one was charged with illegal entry into the country? I bet you don't find one Now be a good boy gumpy and go and catch up a little on Australian law

but entering a country without a VISA is illegal

the only reason why they are not booted out immediately is we have to assess their asylum claims

until their claims are verified positively or negatively - they are still ILLEGAL

it's only when they have a positive response that they are given a VISA to enter Australia

only now are they deemed legal!!

Gist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 9:18am:

Soren wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 10:52pm: Gist wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 9:48pm: Armchair_Politician wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 9:24pm: skippy. wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:40pm: My opinion is that the vast majority are not against refugees. Xenophobic pricks are good at revving up the dumb ass racists,as is evident here, but most people I know are smart enough to understand Australia is doing its part,at best, many believe we should be doing OUR FAIR SHARE,which on stats, we are not. I am not against refugees at all. I am, however, against country-shopping queue jumpers of which more than 21,000 have arrived since Rudd dismantled the Pacific Solution. So only ones who arrive by boat are country shoppers? Are the ones that arrive by plane all bona fide then? Only a very small number of people who are granted visas claim asylum (less than 1%). And the numbers per country - even region -  are monitored and risk assessment ratings change every year and visa grants are made more difficult if the risk increases. This is why the non-name rorters on boats could not get a tourist visa. Simple Soren, don't play with numbers, you know they only confuse you. The "people who are granted visas" includes everyone who comes into this country including all tourists and people entering for business purposes. So what if only 1% of them request asylum? The number arriving by boat and requesting asylum is only 0.1% of the same number. That's a lot less Soren. Just in case you're confused.

Except, of course, the ones coming on boats have no visas. SO 100% of boat people enter Australia without a visa.

WHy?

Because if these people applied for a visa - any kin of visa - they would not be given one. Only about 1% of visa holders claim asylum because you don't give you a visa just for the asking. You will not be granted a tourist visa if they think you are going to claim asylum once you arrived.

That's why the boat people are not taking the easy option of a short flight from Bali to Darwin -they would not be given a visa of any kind. That's why they are paying big dollar for a passage on a leaky boat.

So these are all people who could not enter Australia legally. But once they enter illegally, without ID, we give them everything.  We are welcoming and rewarding people whom we would not allow to enter legally.
That is right only in your confused, Gillard-addled world, Gino.

Quote:

Except, of course, the ones coming on boats have no visas. SO 100% of boat people enter Australia without a visa.

Nope. They are all stopped out @ sea and are taken to detention centres. They dont enter australia without a visa. If they enter australia they are brought here.

SOB

woof woof wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:59pm:

I can tell you right now if a new leader took over labor someone sensible and they punted the carbon tax and reinstated the pacific solution they would go to 60% in the polls. But they wont so they'll stay in mid 20s. They are too proud, dense and stupid to realise where they fall over.

Yes ... I can see your point ... Economic and environmental hard decisions should not come before the government's right to attract votes. Government is not about governing, its all about vote catching, as you astutely point out

The bastards are too proud, dense and stupid to realise where they fall over.

Great insight


Prevailing wrote on Jul 24^th, 2012 at 6:50pm:

There is a very simple inescapable fact that the Australian people have a legal right to life, a legal right to defend themselves, a legal right to border security and not to be harassed by imposition of foreign migrations for racial or economic reasons... 8-) 8-)

Your right too .... I'm an indigenous ... and thank you so much for this. ALL the phuckin white-trash should be sent off in boats ... leaky, unseaworthy ones, preferably




BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 8:39am:

I'm against both boat people and the many who come though legal immigration. Not because I'm scared of them, not because i'm racist. But because what this means for the rest of us. Immigration decreases the standard of living for the middle and lower class Australians. While also destroys the beauty of our nation with over population..... i could not even buy any fresh whole snapper yesterday.

I feel for you brother .... Your dead right as well ... so many smart people on this forum ... I couldn't even find a Bilby to spear for brekky out my way this morning.

And as for the beauty ... well .. its still there ... but all the phuckin white-trash have cued up in front of me .... all I get to see is huge obese McDonald arseholes.


Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:36pm:

Mandatory detention of illegal immigration offenders should be strictly on a user pays basis - there should be co contribution from the offenders country of origin and they should work off the cost of their detention till they are deported

Do you tink ol' blighty is gunna coff up for your subsidy while you work off the cost of your housing bro ?

I'll chip in if your short



Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 6:47pm:

Only the Protectionist Parties can ensure that Australians legal right to secure borders is upheld and the boats are turned away - the old free trade open borders parties of the corporate rich sector - the Greens/Libs and Labor do not believe in the legal rights to security and free customs of all Australian citizens - they will never defend our borders or economic rights. 8-) 8-) 8-)

You an abo too bro ? A black-bastard like me ? Where can I find out more about this black-fella protectionist party ?



Prevailing wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 7:06pm:

All Australian citizens have a water-tight legal right to border security, sovereignty, life, self defense and the right to arrest any illegal offender at large in our country and hand them into mandatory detention for deportation. :) :)

Yeah bro ... cum da revolution, all dat white-trash blood gunna flow down the streets

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Most of you phuckin white-trash rite-wing morons have never been more than 50 klm from a coast line ... north, south, east or west ... and you can't get snapper ... even in liverpool ? Not even for da Kat or da Woof-Woof Dog ?

Where is Liverpool ? Iz it Aussie ? Iz it within our borders ..?

Or is it more reflective of a naming convention that originated in the gutters of Europe ... and you bought it here you 'illegal' immigrants !

and yet your over-weening arrogance of assumption that you are 'Aussie' ......  The narrowness of your education is appalling .. really .. I mean .. like ... just phuckin appalling.

Jesu phuckin wept .... get a DNA test, and get your foreign passport ready for travel ... if you have one ... otherwise we have some 'slightly used' fishing boats (no longer required by my brown brother) .... which we will give you for your enforced journey north.

Lake Mungo

Zac da Black

Mutawintji

Well said.

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Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 8:16am:

Mutawintji Well said. http://boppernation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/clapping_hg_clr.gif

I'll second that ....

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Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 5:26am:

Quote: Except, of course, the ones coming on boats have no visas. SO 100% of boat people enter Australia without a visa. Nope. They are all stopped out @ sea and are taken to detention centres. They dont enter australia without a visa. If they enter australia they are brought here. SOB

They are brought in without a visa. That' why they are in detention, numpty. You can't get a visa without having your identity established (even if it is a false identity in most cases). They do not issue visas on HMAS Watertaxi.

Mutawintji wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

woof woof wrote on Jul 24th, 2012 at 6:59pm: I can tell you right now if a new leader took over labor someone sensible and they punted the carbon tax and reinstated the pacific solution they would go to 60% in the polls. But they wont so they'll stay in mid 20s. They are too proud, dense and stupid to realise where they fall over. Yes ... I can see your point ... Economic and environmental hard decisions should not come before the government's right to attract votes. Government is not about governing, its all about vote catching, as you astutely point out

Er... they can't stay in government if they don't  get the votes. Democracy.  New-fangled thingy, hasn't been around for 40,000 years like cave painting and tribal warfare and sticks which are evidently much better ways of governing a country. Sticks especially have been effective for the past 50,000 years.

The political achievements of 60,000 years of successful Aboriginal civilisation are surpassed only by the sheer dynamism of 80,000 years of continuous Aboriginal innovation and literary, architectural and scientific tradition. A marvel not matched by anyone. Any fool can build a pyramid or invent writing -but can they burn down the countryside? Can they sniff petrol? Of course they can't. Upstarts.

Aborigines have shown the world over the past 100,000 year how to make economic and environmental hard decisions. They have been been able to look back at the last 120,000 years and be proud that they have not changed one bit.
And ALL that while non-white!!! That makes every year count double.

Beat that, democracy! Change government?? Aboriginese have managed not to change anything for a million years! That takes a lot of economic and environmental hard decisions.

Soren wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 10:10pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 26th, 2012 at 5:26am: Quote: Except, of course, the ones coming on boats have no visas. SO 100% of boat people enter Australia without a visa. Nope. They are all stopped out @ sea and are taken to detention centres. They dont enter australia without a visa. If they enter australia they are brought here. SOB They are brought in without a visa. That' why they are in detention, numpty. You can't get a visa without having your identity established (even if it is a false identity in most cases). They do not issue visas on HMAS Watertaxi.

I am saying that they do not come here without visas they are brought here.

SOB

Mutawintji wrote on Jul 26^th, 2012 at 7:44am:

Jesu phuckin wept .... get a DNA test, and get your foreign passport ready for travel ... if you have one ... otherwise we have some 'slightly used' fishing boats (no longer required by my brown brother) .... which we will give you for your enforced journey north. Lake Mungo Zac da Black

Is that you Zac da black in the Mungo film? Zac the phuckin white by the look of it.

Looks like half your DNA better jump on a ship and bugger off too.

:D