Castration for Migrants to Solve can and would solve Australia's aging population problem this will allow Australia to increase immigration without increasing the problem.

And aside from all the other issues that would surface, you would have a sizeable group within the community who would be growing old without having any children to help look after them.  Brilliantly thought out......

I don't see our aging population as a real problem.  But then, I don't care about "economic growth".

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Castration for Migrants to Solve can and would solve Australia's aging population problem this will allow Australia to increase immigration without increasing the problem.

Great idea! Let's start off with BlOoDy.IdIoTs

I've got my knife - spread 'em

Frances wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

And aside from all the other issues that would surface, you would have a sizeable group within the community who would be growing old without having any children to help look after them.  Brilliantly thought out......

i think you will find it would level out as the current system increases the population levels the system i suggest would cause a massive reduction

Um, so why do i get banned for saying tony abbott should have his head kicked in and this bloke gets nothing??

  :o :o

Gist wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:44pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Castration for Migrants to Solve can and would solve Australia's aging population problem this will allow Australia to increase immigration without increasing the problem. Great idea! Let's start off with BlOoDy.IdIoTs I've got my knife - spread 'em

but i don't plan on Migrating.

BR,
Consistency is good, IF referring to golf!

But, this stuff?

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:51pm:

BR, Consistency is good, IF referring to golf! But, this stuff?

Um, so why do i get banned for saying tony abbott should have his head kicked in and this bloke gets nothing??

  :o :o

Is there any connection between this thread and BlOoDy_IdIoT's other one of "Australian Politicians Lack Balls"?

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:47pm:

Gist wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:44pm: BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:32pm: Castration for Migrants to Solve can and would solve Australia's aging population problem this will allow Australia to increase immigration without increasing the problem. Great idea! Let's start off with BlOoDy.IdIoTs I've got my knife - spread 'em but i don't plan on Migrating.

You don't plan on thinking anytime soon either so you won't need them.

BlOoDy.IdIoT

i dont get it, first this topic is locked now unlocked and Gist, my g/f loves playing with my balls and what the hell does thinking have to do with having balls.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:12pm:

i dont get it, first this topic is locked now unlocked and Gist, my g/f loves playing with my balls and what the hell does thinking have to do with having balls.

Haha if you have to ask . . . .

SOB

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:14pm:

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:12pm: i dont get it, first this topic is locked now unlocked and Gist, my g/f loves playing with my balls and what the hell does thinking have to do with having balls. Haha if you have to ask . . . . SOB

Sooo you're saying that ones intelligence is linked to them having balls?

No wonder I'm so much smarter than you.

Frances wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:06pm:

Is there any connection between this thread and BlOoDy_IdIoT's other one of "Australian Politicians Lack Balls"?

I love the name calling, It shows that one is upset and has no comeback or point of view.
WHat next, "your momma jokes?"

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:51pm: BR, Consistency is good, IF referring to golf! But, this stuff? Um, so why do i get banned for saying tony abbott should have his head kicked in and this bloke gets nothing??   :o :o

ANSWER now PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 3:30pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 2:00pm: perceptions_now wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 1:51pm: BR, Consistency is good, IF referring to golf! But, this stuff? Um, so why do i get banned for saying tony abbott should have his head kicked in and this bloke gets nothing??   :o :o ANSWER now PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

can i answer?

What i'm offering is an idea, nothing more. An idea that looks at a problem Australia has been facing for generations. I'm not saying to force people to be Castrated. but to give them the choice of Castration or return back to their homeland and get on with life.

you might think the idea sounds a bit extreme, but it is already happening in parts of Australia to Australian babies without parental permission or knowledge already.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:58pm:

I love the name calling

Name calling?  I thought it was a statement of fact.

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 2:00pm:

Um, so why do i get banned for saying tony abbott should have his head kicked in and this bloke gets nothing??   :o :o

You have the worse case of BO that the mods have come across this century. It's as simple as that.

BR, the immigrants are the ones solving the aging 'problem'. We would see a far greater aging without them. The aging population is caused by too few babies, not too many.

Not that I see it as a problem. It is a good thing.

BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:32pm:

Castration for Migrants to Solve can and would solve Australia's aging population problem this will allow Australia to increase immigration without increasing the problem.

Frances wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 1:39pm:

And aside from all the other issues that would surface, you would have a sizeable group within the community who would be growing old without having any children to help look after them.  Brilliantly thought out......

Exactly. This doesn't actually solve the problem. These immigrants would eventually become "citizens" or "permanent residents" and then we'd have to support them too.

Not only is the idea that we should cut off the phalluses of one group of people racist, but it doesn't solve the problem. It's not going to increase the birth rates of those already living here. It's just a fear of being swamped by foreigners who are different.


BlOoDy RiPpEr wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 3:45pm:

What i'm offering is an idea, nothing more. An idea that looks at a problem Australia has been facing for generations. I'm not saying to force people to be Castrated. but to give them the choice of Castration or return back to their homeland and get on with life.

Surely everyone has a right to sexual pleasure and reproduction? Why should we deny sexual pleasure and reproduction to people who are glad to participate in this form of recreation as opposed to those who are afraid of popping out too many babies? Whose fault is it really?

If someone commits a crime, do you punish someone else? If the aging population crisis was a national crime (let's assume that for argument's sake) and the people already living here were the ones abstaining from procreation and therefore guilty of it, then you'd punish them and not the immigrants.

Punishing someone else for your own "sin" is silly. What kind of society is that? You punish someone else so you can go on sinning? Ridiculous. If our politicians want us to have more babies they should reward us for that. Our politicians should be flogged for not doing enough about our aging population. Blame the politicians, not the immigrants.

I think the higher birth rates among immigrants have a lot to do with the fact that many of them come from patriarchal societies, whereas our one is more feminist. Couples influenced by feminism are less likely to have kids than those influenced by a patriarchal society. Women who value their own careers are less likely to have kids than ones willing to stay at home and raise a family.

freediver wrote on Jul 25^th, 2012 at 5:34pm:

BR, the immigrants are the ones solving the aging 'problem'. We would see a far greater aging without them. The aging population is caused by too few babies, not too many. Not that I see it as a problem. It is a good thing.

That's really, really dumb, FD.

You are saying that not having your own babies is a good thing as long as you can have other people's babies.
In effect you are happy to die out as long as other people don't.
There is something distinctly deadly about your stance - shared by most of the Western population.

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

That's really, really dumb, FD. You are saying that not having your own babies is a good thing as long as you can have other people's babies. In effect you are happy to die out as long as other people don't. There is something distinctly deadly about your stance - shared by most of the Western population.

I've been getting the impression lately that birth rates tend to be higher among those who follow a strict religious ideology, for example, Middle Eastern Muslims, ultra-Orthodox and haredi Jews and American fundamentalist Christians. It's fairly obvious why I think. Religious fundamentalists or followers of strict ideology are more interested than most other people in "doing their duty" (so to speak). These people are less interested in finding their "individuality." Instead, they find themselves in their religion.

Dating, marriage and family become a lot simpler. Normally, a man and woman going into a heterosexual relationship will have lots of things to negotiate: whether to have kids, who does the household chores, who goes to work, who stays at home to look after the kids, how much sex you want.

If you have a religion, your local rabbi/Rebbe, imam or pastor will tell you what you're supposed to do instead of you having to negotiate it with your spouse. You take responsibility for fewer choices and pride yourself on "doing your duty."

When it comes to birth rates, the problem in a liberal, secular and democratic society is that you have too many options and people want different things. More importantly, people are free to desire many different things. This can lead to confusion, conflict and indecision when trying to relate to others. Religion can help eliminate some of this confusion, conflict and indecision.

To put it another way, if birth rates are important, then a liberal, secular democracy is not an effective system in maintaining satisfactory birth rates (a stable population requires 2.1 babies per woman). Something needs to be added to drive that birth rate. I am certainly not saying we should ditch our secularism and democracy. We just need a supplement.

Religious fundamentalism seems to have been fairly successful in creating little communal baby booms, so if you want to stimulate population growth, religious fundamentalism is one way of doing it. Although I'm not very comfortable with the ethics of converting people to a religion for the sake of increasing birth rates, as they say, the means sometimes justifies the end. Based on what I've read, believing that you're doing it for your ancestors, for Jesus or Allah is enough motivation to do the deed.

Nationalism is another way of achieving the same goal. As they say, do it for your country. But again, nationalism can be just as dangerous as religious fundamentalism, like any sort of extremism -- especially when it becomes jingoism.

Source(s):
http://mises.org/Community/forums/p/28567/461566.aspx
http://moreintelligentlife.com/story/faith-equals-fertility
http://epiphenom.fieldofscience.com/2010/05/shall-fundamentalists-inherit-earth.html
http://blogs.the-american-interest.com/berger/2011/06/29/why-do-godders-have-so-many-kids/

Soren wrote on Aug 11^th, 2012 at 11:07pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:34pm: BR, the immigrants are the ones solving the aging 'problem'. We would see a far greater aging without them. The aging population is caused by too few babies, not too many. Not that I see it as a problem. It is a good thing. That's really, really dumb, FD. You are saying that not having your own babies is a good thing as long as you can have other people's babies. In effect you are happy to die out as long as other people don't. There is something distinctly deadly about your stance - shared by most of the Western population.

Not exactly. It is the aging issue that I see as not being a problem.

And yes, I am going to die one day. Whether I 'die out' merely depends on how broadly I cast the net around who I am. The immigrants are not going to make much difference to that. I starts to look arbitrary very quickly.

I am putting together what I think will be an interesting article that will touch on some of these ideological issues.

Ever heard of 'one for mum, one for dad, and one more for John Howard'?

freediver wrote on Aug 12^th, 2012 at 8:01am:

Soren wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:07pm: freediver wrote on Jul 25th, 2012 at 5:34pm: BR, the immigrants are the ones solving the aging 'problem'. We would see a far greater aging without them. The aging population is caused by too few babies, not too many. Not that I see it as a problem. It is a good thing. That's really, really dumb, FD. You are saying that not having your own babies is a good thing as long as you can have other people's babies. In effect you are happy to die out as long as other people don't. There is something distinctly deadly about your stance - shared by most of the Western population. Not exactly. It is the aging issue that I see as not being a problem. And yes, I am going to die one day. Whether I 'die out' merely depends on how broadly I cast the net around who I am. The immigrants are not going to make much difference to that. I starts to look arbitrary very quickly. I am putting together what I think will be an interesting article that will touch on some of these ideological issues. Ever heard of 'one for mum, one for dad, and one more for John Howard'?

When an established country has to import people to provide for its aging population, that is a sure sign that the locals had lost faith in themselves, their country and its future some time ago - they can't or won't want to leave it to their own children.
Australia, for example, with a population of 22 million, shouldn't need to have such a massive immigration program. We have plenty of other resources but not enough little Australians.

There is a push for life-prevention at every turn: abortion, contraception, euthanasia, gay marriage. And then we import loads of people to fill the shortfall due to all the anti-life madness. The same people keep saying that this is the greatest country, yet thy do not want to bear children and to bring them up in it.
Crazy.

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When an established country has to import people to provide for its aging population

We don't have to.

immigrants get older too some day. it sounds to me like the proposal that we use immigration to 'fix' the 'problem' of an aging population is an infinite pyramid scheme.

omg gdp growth will take a .5% of w/e hit

The assumption that we need perpetual population growth is like a pyramid scheme. We are perfectly capable of handling a stable population and even a declining one. There is a very strong correlation between wealth and a relatively low population level.