http://www.gizmodo.com.au/2012/07/how-google-plans-to-turn-a-profit-on-kick-arse-gigabit-fibre-maybe/

Pity the NbN is turning into a white elephant like everything this utterly hopeless government touches with massive cost overruns, massive lag behind all targets, cost blowouts everywhere, etc.

Face it the NbN as dreamed about by the arm waving Labor liars will never be built. It would cost at least $100 bn and would take years to build and would never be profitable and Labor won't be there after next year. The trouble is that all the growth is in mobile services and the NbN fiber optic cable doesn't stretch very well and is awfully heavy to drag around and what about using a mobile while travelling in a car - where do you connect the NbN fiber optic cable ? There is also the problem that if the 240v power goes off so does the NbN if the backup battery has died from old age.

The Coalition will be forced to sell it off in order to begin to pay off the enormous irresponsible debt incurred by the economically and financially illiterate Labor morons. Telstra has sold its NZ interest to get the money to buy up what little has been built of the NbN.

juliar wrote on Jul 31^st, 2012 at 11:57am:

Pity the NbN is turning into a white elephant like everything this utterly hopeless government touches with massive cost overruns, massive lag behind all targets, cost blowouts everywhere, etc. Face it the NbN as dreamed about by the arm waving Labor liars will never be built. It would cost at least $100 bn and would take years to build and would never be profitable and Labor won't be there after next year. The trouble is that all the growth is in mobile services and the NbN fiber optic cable doesn't stretch very well and is awfully heavy to drag around and what about using a mobile while travelling in a car - where do you connect the NbN fiber optic cable ? There is also the problem that if the 240v power goes off so does the NbN if the backup battery has died from old age. The Coalition will be forced to sell it off in order to begin to pay off the enormous irresponsible debt incurred by the economically and financially illiterate Labor morons. Telstra has sold its NZ interest to get the money to buy up what little has been built of the NbN.

juliar knows every silver spooner loves the NBN and cries into her snow coloured weetbix every day!!!

juliar wrote on Jul 31^st, 2012 at 11:57am:

Pity the NbN is turning into a white elephant like everything this utterly hopeless government touches with massive cost overruns, massive lag behind all targets, cost blowouts everywhere, etc. Face it the NbN as dreamed about by the arm waving Labor liars will never be built. It would cost at least $100 bn and would take years to build and would never be profitable and Labor won't be there after next year. The trouble is that all the growth is in mobile services and the NbN fiber optic cable doesn't stretch very well and is awfully heavy to drag around and what about using a mobile while travelling in a car - where do you connect the NbN fiber optic cable ? There is also the problem that if the 240v power goes off so does the NbN if the backup battery has died from old age. The Coalition will be forced to sell it off in order to begin to pay off the enormous irresponsible debt incurred by the economically and financially illiterate Labor morons. Telstra has sold its NZ interest to get the money to buy up what little has been built of the NbN.

We've covered this before.

The NBN isn't over budget, and has not suffered any cost blowouts.

Some of it is running behind schedule, due mainly to delays with the Telstra deal.

People are not moving to mobile broadband, and it cannot replace the fixed network anyway. There's not a single country or telco anywhere in the world replacing their urban fixed networks with wireless. Even the coalition's policy is not wireless.

I would have thought that Google's multi billion dollar investment in a fibre network might have shut up the wireless fanboys, but apparently not.

Oh, and btw, the nbn doesn't mean you need to tie yourself to a cable. It just means that wifi networks will actually be able to perform to their capabilities.

Finally, if the coalition try to sell the nbn unfinished, they wouldn't get a fraction of the money spent so far on it, because the rural and regional portions of the nbn are not profitable and need the metro sections to be complete to get the cross subsidy running.

Even the coalition have worked this out, and have said they won't scrap/sell the nbn. They'll just continue it with cheap obsolete technology.

Abbott has nowhere to run: KEVIN RUDDS LEGACY HAS MADE A LAUGHING STOCK OF THE HOWARD ERA!!!

NbNmYTHS, you are appropriately named. Oh well when you are desperate you will try anything.

The nBn is just too expensive and will never be profitable and will take many years to complete and Labor will NOT BE THERE AFTER NEXT YEAR. So talking about meaningless arm waving lying Labor dream time stuff that will happen after next year is like bumble Bob talking about his alien earthians.

The Coalition has a different approach to providing broadband which is designed to actually satisfy real market demand and is a MIXTURE of FIXED and MOBILE services.

You may not be aware but the security aspects of WiFi are absolutely atrocious and should only be used with extreme care.

You naturally don't want to mention that the Coalition will inherit a very damaged Australian economy and a massive debt as a result of the incompetent misguided Communist Greens and their puppet the ALP and there will be many far more urgent priorities for the Coalition such as the immediate stopping of the flood of unwanted illegal invaders than to provide non existent money for a dream time $100 bn nBn that largely duplicates what is already there.

The Coalition and the Australian voters chief concern is how much more malicious damage to the Australian economy will the very destructive Communist Greens and their puppet the ALP do to the Australian economy before they can be chucked out for many many years - yes there will be a Double Dissolution to rid Australia of the bright red tomatoes - the Communist Greens.

juliar, wow.... just so lol!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

bugger some people are Stuuuupid

juliar wrote on Jul 31^st, 2012 at 7:07pm:

NbNmYTHS, you are appropriately named. Oh well when you are desperate you will try anything. ... The Coalition has a different approach to providing broadband which is designed to actually satisfy real market demand and is a MIXTURE of FIXED and MOBILE services. You may not be aware but the security aspects of WiFi are absolutely atrocious and should only be used with extreme care. You naturally don't want to mention that the Coalition will inherit a very damaged Australian economy and a massive debt as a result of the incompetent misguided Communist Greens and their puppet the ALP and there will be many far more urgent priorities for the Coalition such as the immediate stopping of the flood of unwanted illegal invaders than to provide non existent money for a dream time $100 bn nBn that largely duplicates what is already there.

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

The coalition policy does not provide any funding for mobile-wireless broadband whatsoever. They do provide funding for fixed-wireless broadband for rural areas, in exactly the same way as the NBN uses fixed-wireless in rural areas. While fixed-wireless uses the same base station tech as mobile-wireless (4G/LTE), it cannot be used directly by mobile devices, and instead uses an antenna attached to your house, from where it connects to the cabling within your house, and/or your WiFi router.

Depending on the security protocol used, WiFi has quite decent security. Certainly far better security than mobile-wireless.

Duplicates what is already there?  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Maybe you'd like to show everyone where the existing 1Gbps fibre to the home networks are?

Time to put you teeth back in old man, otherwise how will Alan Jones be able to hear you when you wind up your phone to call in and tell him about the reds under the bed?

NbNLies and CorpseOnaCow,

There, I told you the NbN is disaster bound but you would not listen. By the time the Coalition takes over there will be so little of the Labor loonies dreemtime intergalactic nBn installed that it will be only a petty cash transaction with TELSTRA to hand the tattered wreckage over. The supposed "unbreakable nBn contracts" will be demolished as quick as the Communist Greens "CO₂" Socialist TAX which was justified on the lie that "the sky will fall in due to Climate Change".

Yet another botched badly "managed" waste of Australian TaxPayers money by the utterly pathetic Communist Greens and their powerless puppet the ALP.

Not to mention that now the Australian public are aware that the NbN is going nowhere they will wait for the Coalition's much more financially responsible and achievable system which might be called "The TELSTRA Tentacles". Also to repeat what you don't want to hear - the main growth is in MOBILES and the nBn cable still does not stretch very well and is quite heavy to drag around.

In your desperate delusional attempt to try to prop up your unachievable dream you mention "The Coalition's Policies". Don't you realize that the Coalition has not revealed any of their real policies and they will not until the election is called as they don't want to tell the hopelessly incompetent Communist Greens and their powerless puppet the ALP how to restore prosperity to Australia.

NBN rollout targets set to be slashed
by: David Crowe, National affairs editor From:The Australian August 01, 2012 12:00AM

DELAYS to the $36 billion National Broadband Network have forced a deep cut to its construction targets in a new business plan that shows the project will reach less than a quarter of the homes first promised by the time of the next election.

New figures reveal the fibre network will pass fewer than 250,000 homes and businesses by next June, fewer than suggested by recent independent forecasts.

However, the company building the mammoth network will issue a new business plan tomorrow, insisting that it can connect millions of homes by 2016 under construction contracts that a Coalition government would find difficult to scrap.

The revised plan will sharpen the broadband political fight as the Coalition counts on the missed targets to undermine electoral support for the flagship Labor project at the election due late next year.

Tomorrow's update blames the rollout troubles on technical challenges, natural disasters and a nine-month delay to a crucial deal with Telstra, under which millions of phone lines will be gradually upgraded to NBN cable.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy prepared the ground for the revised targets by declaring there would be a "pleasing story" in the business plan despite the delays.

"We've said for well over 12 months that it took nine months longer than originally forecast to reach an agreement with Telstra and that was the appropriate thing to do," he told ABC Radio National. "This is not a quick fix for one election," he said, adding that the project was to last for three or four decades.

NBN Co figures posted ahead of the business plan release show optical fibre is expected to pass about 235,000 premises by next June, well below the 950,000 target in a December 2010 plan.

The figures also show the number of homes passed in new housing estates -- known as "greenfield" connections -- is forecast at 22,500 by June rather than the original 319,000 target. Fixed-wireless services for homes beyond the reach of the high-speed cable are tipped to total 18,500 by June rather than the original 283,000 target, in NBN Co spreadsheets analysed by The Australian.

The outlook appears to be below independent forecasts made after the Telstra deal was signed in June last year.

Goldman Sachs analyst Christian Guerra estimated in March the fibre would pass 315,000 premises by June 2013, about 3 per cent of the long-term rollout plan.

Deutsche Bank analyst Andrew Anagnostellis also tipped a 3 per cent figure in a research note earlier this month.

Coalition communications spokesman Malcolm Turnbull has dismissed the delay over the Telstra deal as a "very thin" excuse.

Residential Development Council executive director Caryn Kakas said problems continued at new housing estates despite a "valiant" effort by NBN Co to connect homes.

"It's safe to say the capacity of the NBN Co continues to struggle to meet new development needs," she said.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/business/in-depth/nbn-rollout-targets-set-to-be-slashed/story-e6frgaif-1226439854249

juliar wrote on Aug 1^st, 2012 at 10:14am:

NbNLies and CorpseOnaCow, There, I told you the NbN is disaster bound but you would not listen. By the time the Coalition takes over there will be so little of the Labor loonies dreemtime intergalactic nBn installed that it will be only a petty cash transaction with TELSTRA to hand the tattered wreckage over. The supposed "unbreakable nBn contracts" will be demolished as quick as the Communist Greens "CO2" Socialist TAX which was justified on the lie that "the sky will fall in due to Climate Change".

You really do have NFI.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Like I said, the rollout has been delayed, mostly due to the Telstra deal.

Maybe I missed it, but can you point out the massive cost blowouts?

You simply don't get it. A petty cash transaction would be right on the money. That's all Telstra would pay, but unfortunately, by then there will have been at least $5bn invested into the NBN. Even Turnbull has realised that it makes more sense to keep the NBN (and finish it, albeit using obsolete copper FTTN), rather than sell it.

He has said it himself many times, eg:
http://www.theage.com.au/it-pro/government-it/we-will-not-cancel-the-nbn-turnbull-20120629-217f3.html
Nearly two years after Tony Abbott vowed to tear down the beginnings of the national broadband network and to "demolish" it, the Coalition now says it will not roll back or cancel it, if it comes to power at the next election.
Shadow Minister for Communications and Broadband Malcolm Turnbull told IT Pro firmly this week: "No, the Coalition will not cancel or roll back the NBN. The NBN will continue to roll out but we will do so in a cost-effective manner in particular in built-up areas."
...
And now he said he is not prepared to cancel the contracts underpinning the rollout, already signed by NBN Co, at an estimated cost of $1.8 billion.

Keep trying, Mr RiPPeR.  :-[

THIS ASIAN CENTURY MEANS THE KIDS NEEDS THE nbn!!!

WE ARE BUILDING CHINA.............................................. how else do we compete with them?

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Stanleys wrote on Sep 5^th, 2012 at 5:23pm:

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hey stanleys: ya gotta any crack mate???  :o :o  ;D